2008.08.27 07:00 - Dogs Like to Bark

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    Hey There, this is Cal and here's what we talked about in this session.


    Hello there, we're in the same boat...

    Adams Rubble: Hi Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey Adams :)
    Caledonia Heron: [rezzing]
    Adams Rubble: Sl is very annoying this morning :)
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, having a bit of trouble getting in
    Caledonia Heron: sec, it's settling in
    Caledonia Heron: I see your grey form but no details
    Adams Rubble: That is good because I have been going into various forms of undress since I got here
    Adams Rubble: Hi Maxine :)
    Caledonia Heron: lol , and here I thought it was a form of being :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Caledonia Heron: hey Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, guys, having a bit of lag getting in
    Caledonia Heron: we too
    Adams Rubble: Yes, things are bad today :)
    Maxine Walden: all in the same boat

    The many worlds we've inhabited over time, they are as virtual as the one we meet in today...

    Caledonia Heron: we'll sit very still today :)
    Maxine Walden: right
    Adams Rubble: Like doing email in the late 1980s
    Caledonia Heron: lol, remember bitnet ?
    Caledonia Heron: gosh, seems like the stone age
    Adams Rubble: missed that one
    Maxine Walden: was that an age ago?
    Caledonia Heron: a darpa system....
    Caledonia Heron: if I remember correctly
    Maxine Walden: I'm not familiar with the really early stuff; was in a different world then
    Caledonia Heron: lol, funny to think of how many worlds we've inhabited along our way
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Maxine Walden: isn't it, many worlds and at the time, seemed like only one or so
    Caledonia Heron: coffee - 2 secs
    Adams Rubble: My computer life has gone through many transformations
    Maxine Walden: has it, software wise or...?
    Caledonia Heron: b
    Adams Rubble: software, hardware, usage...

    In a previous technology galaxy, far far away...

    (and on the cozier comment, I notice sometimes that when people move-in closer to one another when talking this has a real, concrete effect of connectedness for me and yet we are still in the very same city/chair/wherever we are in RL. )

    Caledonia Heron: that's cozier :)
    Maxine Walden: transformations
    Caledonia Heron: eras for sure
    Caledonia Heron: I remember I was running a reference dept and a physics nobel laureate came with two post-docs to learn how to use the new-fangled fax machine
    Maxine Walden: interesting to try to just 'be' aware that we may be going again into different worlds
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Caledonia Heron: hilarious, literally in white coats
    Adams Rubble: whoa
    Maxine Walden: Wow, what an interesting memory!!

    Engaging with our friends who may be in different places in their lives...

    Caledonia Heron: yes, for sure Maxine, different worlds, different dreams, friends, hopes :)
    Maxine Walden: yes, and to be able to just stay in the moment, not sure what world comes next...very intriguing
    Adams Rubble: Keep reinventing our work habits
    Maxine Walden: yes, work habits and some of our living habits too, perhaps
    Caledonia Heron: we can practice (like 9sec) to be in the moment, and another thing when engaging with other people who have vested perspectives
    Maxine Walden: indeed
    Maxine Walden: I just last evening had an experience with an old colleague, longtime colleague, who to my mind is caught in the same patterns/concerns for the past decade, and it was interesting
    Adams Rubble: I am finding this interesting. I am in very calm waters right now. It is interesting to compare this to the changing world of technology. To be too calm is to fall behind
    Adams Rubble: We are on a similar thread Maxine
    Caledonia Heron: calm and complacent are different imo
    Maxine Walden: to see that I am in a really diffeent pace, not as concerned as he is and I was...yes, Adams seems so
    Adams Rubble: yes Cal
    Adams Rubble: But with technology we must always keep one eye on the changes
    Caledonia Heron: yes, you can notice being in different places than firends, resisting the urge to "fix" them :) by being ourselves we can offer a window to a way of looking at things I think
    Adams Rubble: yes cal
    Caledonia Heron: lol, those old tired sayings like "lead by example" come into play
    Adams Rubble: :)

    A little meta-discussion...

    Maxine Walden: just need to mention it may be my computer, but each of you is a flashing figure on my screen, maybe this is my 'different world' of the moment, at least my computer would say so
    Caledonia Heron: ok, thx Maxine - maybe relog?
    Adams Rubble: SL is not very good today. I always find if I zoom in the flashing discontinues
    Maxine Walden: so I can keep my awareness of your avatars in the midst of flashings...another challenge but not difficult
    Caledonia Heron: we're ready for our closeup Maxine :)
    Adams Rubble: I get the flashing at the Zen Retreat meditation and just ignore it
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Adams, I will try that, oh, yes, it cleared, thanks, up close as I never have been
    Adams Rubble: lots of people there
    Adams Rubble: :)

    On the state of our 9sec experiences and dog whispering ...

    Caledonia Heron: what's been going on with y'alls 9sec?
    Adams Rubble: I am calm. Nothing too much. Had some empathy for my neighbor's dog today
    Caledonia Heron: [I know you keep blogs, only have so many cycles...sorry]
    Adams Rubble: Pema has me doing the APAPB exercise that he gave to Doug
    Caledonia Heron: lol, like homework huh?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Maxine Walden: Adams, remind me of that suggestion of Pema's
    Adams Rubble: empathy is the wrong word, probably compassion for the little dog brain that can only bard at the presentation of appearance
    Caledonia Heron: I think the exercise is to ... appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation by Being .... yes Adams?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: Slightly different way of seeing
    Maxine Walden: ah, yes, thanks, the A stands for appearance
    Adams Rubble: interesting Shakespearean typo---bark at presentation
    Caledonia Heron: ah, now that is interesting.... a dog imo is near the essence of "be", probably all animals other than humans :)
    Caledonia Heron: everything "is"
    Adams Rubble was wondering about dog seeing exercise dsbs
    Adams Rubble: But this dog is disturbed Cal
    Caledonia Heron: how so? and maybe that's his "is"
    Adams Rubble: This dog can bark for four hours straight. he barks at anything and everything
    Maxine Walden: right, frustrating for us, but maybe not for him, the dog
    Caledonia Heron: lol, care to branch into dog psychology Maxine ? :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Caledonia Heron: needs not being met ... etc
    Adams Rubble: yes Cal
    Maxine Walden: yes, dogs seem quite expressive of needs, wishes for the pack etc, at least in my limited experience
    Caledonia Heron: yes agreed, it's all about the pack

    Compassion and appreciation...

    Adams Rubble: It is a sign of my calmness that I am able to listen to the dog and feel compassion for his inability to appreciate the presentation of being
    Caledonia Heron: to include it and not rise against it?
    Adams Rubble: yes Cal
    Maxine Walden: and who's alpha and where one is in the pack...yes, Adams, sounds as if calmness is quite wonderful to experience
    Adams Rubble: To accept it as part of what is around me
    Maxine Walden: right
    Caledonia Heron: to be ok with what's so is huge imo.... releases struggle, effort
    Adams Rubble: Yes, must wasted energy
    Adams Rubble: Of course, this may change when I go back to work next week. hehe
    Caledonia Heron: lol ... true enough

    Mo' meta-talk...

    Maxine Walden: may I ask? What is 'imo'? What does that refer to?
    Adams Rubble: in my opionon
    Caledonia Heron: short for "in my opinion"
    Maxine Walden: ah, thanks
    Caledonia Heron: a qualifier of sorts :)
    Adams Rubble: Cal spells better
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Maxine Walden: great condensation of the term
    Caledonia Heron: yes, helps to stick to what you really want to express

    Looking for more descriptors of direct experience I ask Maxine about 9sec...

    Caledonia Heron: Maxine - what is 9sec like for you?
    Maxine Walden: Not sure if I am doing the 9 sec precisely as I am trying the YSBS and variations, not by the clock so much.
    Caledonia Heron: sure, true for many I suspect ... true for me
    Maxine Walden: But those experiences are quite interesting, expanding, surprising, humbling
    Adams Rubble: I have been off the clock so to speak too, Maxine
    Caledonia Heron: are they personal revelations in nature, such as Adams perhaps?
    Caledonia Heron: [stop me if too personal]
    Maxine Walden: yes, in a manner of speaking, not too personal at all. I am probably going through some changes in my life
    Maxine Walden: in terms of where I hope to put a lot of my energy, and so the revelations have to do with old patterns, new possibilities, how easy/difficulty it might be to change...things like that
    Caledonia Heron: interesting, so noticing past mo, choosing future mo
    Maxine Walden: yes, precisely
    Caledonia Heron: so perhaps a useful tool to move "forward" ... (somewhere) :)
    Maxine Walden: and of course there is loss in the consideration of change, but that is OK once I can identify it as such
    Adams Rubble: Always a goal of mine to be a better person, to try to be more compassionate
    Caledonia Heron: change can be hard sometimes, I think people resist change
    Caledonia Heron: better people is a good thing in the world :)
    Adams Rubble: And I too feel myself moving
    Maxine Walden: going from the known past into the unknnown future is a challenge, I find because the known is what is being given up without knowing what it to come
    Caledonia Heron: a leap to another place where you can't see all the consequences
    Adams Rubble: Funny, I do not feel I have, or am, giving up anything that it important
    Maxine Walden: right, not sure what it is to come
    Maxine Walden: that is an interesting point, Adams, because I agree that what is being given up may not be important, but has been familiar
    Maxine Walden: and in that way an old companion
    Adams Rubble: This is a very interesting thread
    Caledonia Heron: familiar and it works to a certain degree so maybe a bit harder to pry loose :)
    Adams Rubble: I don't think I have thought about it
    Maxine Walden: yes, harder to pry loose, Cal

    Maxine has to go and a bit more about compassion...

    Caledonia Heron: before we get too far away from your comment Adams about being more compassionate....
    Maxine Walden: afraid I am going to have to go, some RL things I ned to look to before going to work; but it is difficult to leave such good friends and conversation
    Adams Rubble: Yes, we are on to something Maxine. We'll have to try to pick this up sometime
    Caledonia Heron: I thought I would mention that I am not trying to be more compassionate per se, but can tell in my interactions with others that a great deal of openess of myself - that feels like compassion at the level, (silly to write), at the human experience level - that makes a difference in how people respond to me ... like they are more free to be openly compassionate also
    Maxine Walden: another choice, another loss. See you both again soon
    Caledonia Heron: bye Maxine :)
    Adams Rubble: I would like to say, if I can before maxine leaves, that I think
    Adams Rubble: oh well
    Caledonia Heron: oops, rats, she's gone!
    Adams Rubble: Maybe she'll read this

    How we complement each other....

    Adams Rubble: I think I have always known down deep what is important
    Caledonia Heron: yes, it's in the bedrock :)
    Adams Rubble: The question for me, is how to keep the daily annoyances from distracting me
    Adams Rubble: and PaB has given me numerous tools to do that while I try to figure out how to open the proverbial door that Pema keeps referring to
    Adams Rubble: Yes Cal. Compassion comes naturally as our "self" becomes less intrusive
    Caledonia Heron: yes, perhaps ... I have trouble parsing this "self" stuff ...
    Adams Rubble: Ah, I am VERY good at THAT :)
    Caledonia Heron: lol, good - we complement :)
    Adams Rubble: :)


    Caledonia Heron: the other night there was a potentially embarrasing situation within a goup (embarassing to me!) and I openly said what I had meant by my comment and the tension was diffused and the conversation got really good after that
    Caledonia Heron: examples like that - where if you show up honestly, social awkwardness melts and people show up also
    Caledonia Heron: I really thought I could have left the group mortified to ever see them again and yet instead it was so totally cool
    Adams Rubble: Your flexibility in addressing those situations is an asset :)
    Caledonia Heron: sure, when I think to choose it
    Caledonia Heron: and, that's how 9sec is showing up for me in my interactions with people ... one example anyway
    Adams Rubble: hmmm. Yes, we are all sort of moving along in a kind of parallel, sometimes touching, sometimes taking wider paths
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, think of the multiplier effect where we "be" when interacting with others, then they do it, and then that 3rd group does it.... holy smokes, it's a "be" revolution!! :)
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Caledonia Heron: so the "be" I see when on my own, is intersecting with the "be" I am when with others
    Caledonia Heron: lol, or not :)
    Adams Rubble: which is what we all wish for :)
    Caledonia Heron: I don't know, maybe
    Caledonia Heron: it's different for everybody I'd guess
    Caledonia Heron: these are observations, not wishes or wants, ... it's what's going on for me
    Adams Rubble: Ah, I see. hmmm. Yes, that is a difference :)
    Adams Rubble: Maybe that's part of the "self" stuff or maybe not
    Adams Rubble: Fael gets annoyed when I say something like that
    Caledonia Heron: maybe - it seems bigger than self ... it's wide open like the sky, showing up honestly with people with no funny business
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Caledonia Heron: she does? how come?
    Caledonia Heron: maybe it has to do with definitions of self or something
    Adams Rubble: Bascially I said I had no idea of what I was talking about :)
    Caledonia Heron: LOL
    Caledonia Heron: join the club :)
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Comparisons with technology...

    Adams Rubble: I thought there was something relevant in our comparisons with our approaches to technology at the start
    Caledonia Heron: what do you mean?
    Adams Rubble: I was comparing my state of calm with the way I sometimes feel when everything is finally working smoothly with technology
    Adams Rubble: Then something new comes along and messes it all up for a while
    Caledonia Heron: mmm, yes, a ripple in the pond
    Adams Rubble: I feel there is something relevant there but don't know what it is
    Caledonia Heron: it appears a relevant analogy ... to compare the stasis of a stable technology setup with calmness
    Adams Rubble: Maybe it has to do with the fact that first everything is upset but then out of that often comes new ways of working which do the job in a better way...or more possibilities
    Caledonia Heron: sure, I can see that - it opens up a new way, more options, different perspectives
    Adams Rubble: Everything is going to be changing when I go back in September :)
    Caledonia Heron: at your work?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: I'll need all the inner calm I can muster :)
    Caledonia Heron: sure, that may be useful as you approach the changes, and deal with everyone else dealing with changes
    Caledonia Heron: to sort of see the big picture
    Adams Rubble: Often, it's not the technology, it is the reactions of others to it
    Adams Rubble: organized chaos
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, and the miscommunications that arise, different motives
    Adams Rubble: yes, especially the motives...yes both
    Caledonia Heron: a lot depends on the cohesiveness of the team as to how change is dealt with.... fractionated teams have rockier transitions
    Adams Rubble: I'll be dealing with other "teams" :)
    Adams Rubble: This is helping, thanks. Good to frame the problem
    Adams Rubble: identify the problems
    Caledonia Heron: I'm glad for that ... it can be a little hazy sometimes, right up until the moment it coalesces

    Procrastinating or percolating?...

    Adams Rubble: I feel like I am cheating this week because my knee is much better and I am enjoying all this time at home :)
    Caledonia Heron: not cheating at all - you deserve it and you will be a better worker for it :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, usually when I take off I am working on projects. Now mostly on PaB and being "calm"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Caledonia Heron: good! so often time-off is still time-on.... checking email, catching up .... I try to drop the whole thing, sometimes easier than others :)
    Adams Rubble: I have a few small things to do but I am mostly procrastinating :)
    Caledonia Heron: or percolating :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Yeah!
    Caledonia Heron: some ideas have to be brewed :)
    Adams Rubble: yes

    Until we meet again...

    Adams Rubble: Thanks for a truly helpful discussion :)
    Caledonia Heron: I'm going to prep some work - I'm glad we talked today - I always enjoy it :)
    Adams Rubble: Bye Cal :)
    Caledonia Heron: and to you - I appreciate it :)
    Caledonia Heron: bye, see you soon :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes :)

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