2008.09.21 07:00 - A Time for Play; A Time for Being

Adams Rubble was the guardian and the comments are hers

I was alone at the pavilion for a few minutes before Quen, Neela and Corvuscorva all arrived almost simultaneously. It takes a while for us to get going

Adams Rubble: Hello Quen :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Neela :)
quen Oh: hello all :-)
Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adams
Neela Blaisdale: Hi Quen
quen Oh smiles
Adams Rubble: Hello Corvuscorva :)
Neela Blaisdale: wanted to make sure I wasn't going to sit on anybody!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya
Neela Blaisdale: hello Corvu
Adams Rubble: Just us four so far :)
quen Oh: so we are a quartet
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: numerous games are now available for us to play ;-)
quen Oh: but seems thats not really what Play as Being is about lol
Corvuscorva Nightfire picks up the violin and draws a bow inexpertly across the strings.
Caledonia Heron is Online
Adams Rubble: hehe
Corvuscorva Nightfire winces at the squeek.
Adams Rubble: I think PaB can include anything
quen Oh fantasises Bach's violin concerto to that ;-)
Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss?
quen Oh: ;-) playing games?
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: (not really)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: no?

Pia joined us making us five and ending the quartet jokes

Adams Rubble: Hello Pia :)
quen Oh: hello Pia
Adams Rubble: Now we are a quintet
quen Oh: what is on your mind today?
Neela Blaisdale: Hi Pia
quen Oh: hehe indeed... should have brought my piano..
Adams Rubble: heh
quen Oh: but its a heavy heavy instrument
Pia Iger: Hi, there
Adams Rubble: Only if its not one of the inflatable ones
quen Oh: pff they sound airy.. like a windorgan, I like mine of good old fashioned wood...
Neela Blaisdale: Trying to figure out what's in the middle of he table
PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.
Adams Rubble: Ah it must be a microphone
Adams Rubble: Wol has set up a resr autologging
Adams Rubble: test
quen Oh: interesting form
Adams Rubble: We haven't gotten on to a topic yet Pia
Pia Iger: maybe soon will?
quen Oh: what is the book on the table about btw?
quen Oh: has anyone read it?
Adams Rubble: We seem to fishing in the music world
Adams Rubble: The book was left by Adelene
quen Oh: found a website about it...
quen Oh: phone
Neela Blaisdale: what is the site?

I do my guardian duty and bring up the nine seconds practice; Neela responds with a topic which eventually turns to time

Adams Rubble: Has anyone anything to report on their 9-second exercises? (Adams tries hopefully)
Neela Blaisdale: I've been finding it
Neela Blaisdale: hard to focus on
Neela Blaisdale: rushing around too much
Neela Blaisdale: of course it would help that rushing feeling if I did
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Are you busier in September?
Neela Blaisdale: No just this one. Election stuff
Adams Rubble: Ah (Adams remembers that is a good thing)
Neela Blaisdale: :)
Adams Rubble: I hvae been finding that my mind is very quiet lately
Neela Blaisdale: quiet mind sounds good
Adams Rubble: It is a contrast to its state all summer
Adams Rubble: But I am using the nine-seconds to break from the tension of the busy world around me
Neela Blaisdale: I seem to be having trouble with typing

Pia brings in the time reference

Pia Iger: the tension could be the imagined continuity of time. There is only now. it sort of cut throught the tension chain.
Neela Blaisdale: yes good point
Neela Blaisdale: I would like to find a way to make the 9 sec automatic, so I don't forget
Adams Rubble: Hmmm. My function at work is to set things up for the semester
Adams Rubble: Yes, Neela. I use the mindful clock when near a computer
Adams Rubble: But that doesn't help when one is away
Pia Iger: Neela, I can suggest you take a few days to try 9 sec.Then you will have a taste of the "dropping" "seeing", it will encourage you to continue.
Neela Blaisdale: I would like it to become internal, an internal clock
Adams Rubble: The blog helps keep me disciplined
Neela Blaisdale: yes I have done it and enjoy it, it's just when things get hectic I tend to forget
Adams Rubble: Pia, I am interested in what you were saying. I haven't fully been able to accept the time issue yet. Maybe it is the historian in me :)
Neela Blaisdale: Also I would like to make that way of experience a more permanent, automatic part of me
Pia Iger: sound like Neela is very motivated! You will find you way.
Neela Blaisdale: :)
Adams Rubble thinks it may be habit forming :)
Pia Iger: Adams, I was just saying one of my understanding of tension.
Pia Iger: I found as I grow older, things are harder, more stressful to do, it is because I have bought into the normal conecpt of continuous time, there is future, tomorrow...
Pia Iger: more things to do.
Neela Blaisdale: Along the lines of if you can stay in the moment the tension disappears?
Adams Rubble: Yes Pia, there always seems to be something that is not getting done
Pia Iger: kind of. If you only see what you need to do at this moment, the pressure of future are relieved.
Adams Rubble: Yes Pia
Neela Blaisdale: yes had a good example of that yesterday
Adams Rubble: The nine-seconds definitely helps see that Pia
Pia Iger: yes, Adams

Neela touches us with a unique experience in stopping and dropping

Neela Blaisdale: I was canvassing with another person, someone I didn't know before. We were driving around NH getting lost, I was getting anxious because we weren't getting a lot of addresses done. The other person said to be" Lets meditate for a minute" which was great especially because we didn't know each other and hadn't known we each practiced. We did and then the day became much easier
Neela Blaisdale: We were able to stop and be now for a minute
Pia Iger: nice example. driving around can be stressful.
Adams Rubble: That is a nice example
Adams Rubble: :)
Neela Blaisdale: one of the best parts to me was that we were complete strangers yet able to share this, kind of like here at least before you know each other
Adams Rubble: It is nice that you could do this with someone who is not close
Adams Rubble: Hmmm. we are on same wavelengths. hehe
Neela Blaisdale: Of course here it feels like we start to know each other somewhat
Neela Blaisdale: after a while
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: We know we are looking for similar things

I confuse everyone by regretfully bringing up bregresting

Adams Rubble: On Pia's point, I am reminded that someone once said that nobody bregrest on their deathbed that they didn't spend a few more hours at the office
Adams Rubble: regrets
Adams Rubble: not bregrest
Pia Iger: I was gonna google 'bregrest'
Adams Rubble: :)
Neela Blaisdale: :)
Adams Rubble: I wonder what it would say?
Pia Iger: I did not do it.
Adams Rubble: It does not match any documents

Neela brings in relativity and the relationship of time to Being

Neela Blaisdale: You know time is such a strange thing- sometimes fast, sometimes slow. How is it related to Being?
Neela Blaisdale: do you think?
Adams Rubble: Whew, there have been discussions on that here
Adams Rubble: The gist seems to be that we should focus on the moment
quen Oh: sorry guys, back now... mother on phone.. always lengthy
Neela Blaisdale: /is not surprised about the discussions
Neela Blaisdale: welcome back Quen
Adams Rubble: wb
Pia Iger: Being, -ing, is alwasy in now
Neela Blaisdale: yes but sometimes wonder where do the moments of now go, are they circular and conti uous, or never ending?
Adams Rubble: Some of them go into our memory
Neela Blaisdale: because if you watch a clock they are very discrete, so is that simply an illusion?
Pia Iger: no.
Adams Rubble: Your view of the clock is always in the now
quen Oh: ah you were discussing time?
Neela Blaisdale: yes Quen
Pia Iger: the measurement of time is different from the essence of time.
Neela Blaisdale: how would you describe the essence Pia?
quen Oh: reread things... find time flying mostly, only rarely it slows down in an extreme way
Pia Iger: ah oh, I hope Einstein is here. I don't know how to say it.
Neela Blaisdale: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: or Bergson..
Neela Blaisdale: who is that Quen?
Neela Blaisdale: Oh give it a try Pia
Pia Iger: googled: Henri Louis Bergson's Book -- Time and Free Will
quen Oh: its a philosopher, Henri Bergson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Bergson
quen Oh: yes
Neela Blaisdale: ty
Pia Iger: I can only say time is not as we normally see from clock, that regular.
Neela Blaisdale: So are there 2 times?
Pia Iger: not 2 times.
quen Oh: the measured time is artificial, perceived time is different..
quen Oh: http://www.angelfire.com/md2/timewarp/bergson.html can be interesting on this
Adams Rubble not sure she has time for that :)
Neela Blaisdale: ty quen
Neela Blaisdale: good one Adams :)
Pia Iger: but start from looking at now, it is something we can put our hand on at least.
Neela Blaisdale: yes that's true Pia

Pia brings up cleaning out closets, a topic that seems to be on many of our minds

Pia Iger: before reading more books, I have a quite practical issue that I hope will be done little by little ---- clean the closet.
quen Oh: you it will be done?
quen Oh: you hope*
Adams Rubble: It is interesting that so many of us are feeling the urge to subtract things as well as attachments
Adams Rubble hasn't started yet
quen Oh grins... always hope my house will be cleaned.... it never happens when I don't actually do it
Neela Blaisdale: yes seems to be a frequent topic in RL too
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Is that what is wrong with my methodology Quen?
Pia Iger: I always put it off, cause it is such a headache, emotionally, before I actually start from little steps.
Pia Iger: the difficulty is amplified in my mind
Adams Rubble: Yes Pia
Pia Iger: I try to drop the amplified part.
quen Oh tries to think up ways to make cleaning things more interesting.. listening during that to some nice music, or even lectures you can download for instance..
quen Oh: it can even work, being busy physical can actually make me more receptable to grasp things, well if not too complicated of course
Adams Rubble: yes :)
Adams Rubble: Thank you all so much, this was a good session :)
Pia Iger: ok. let's move to the Hall.
Neela Blaisdale: Yes ty all
quen Oh: ah yes
Adams Rubble: Yes time to move on
quen Oh: allready time... time flies...
Adams Rubble: :)
Pia Iger: heehee