2008.09.21 07:00 - A Time for Play; A Time for Being

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    Adams Rubble was the guardian and the comments are hers

    I was alone at the pavilion for a few minutes before Quen, Neela and Corvuscorva all arrived almost simultaneously. It takes a while for us to get going

    Adams Rubble: Hello Quen :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Neela :)
    quen Oh: hello all :-)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adams
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Quen
    quen Oh smiles
    Adams Rubble: Hello Corvuscorva :)
    Neela Blaisdale: wanted to make sure I wasn't going to sit on anybody!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya
    Neela Blaisdale: hello Corvu
    Adams Rubble: Just us four so far :)
    quen Oh: so we are a quartet
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: numerous games are now available for us to play ;-)
    quen Oh: but seems thats not really what Play as Being is about lol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire picks up the violin and draws a bow inexpertly across the strings.
    Caledonia Heron is Online
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire winces at the squeek.
    Adams Rubble: I think PaB can include anything
    quen Oh fantasises Bach's violin concerto to that ;-)
    Adams Rubble: Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss?
    quen Oh: ;-) playing games?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: (not really)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no?

    Pia joined us making us five and ending the quartet jokes

    Adams Rubble: Hello Pia :)
    quen Oh: hello Pia
    Adams Rubble: Now we are a quintet
    quen Oh: what is on your mind today?
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Pia
    quen Oh: hehe indeed... should have brought my piano..
    Adams Rubble: heh
    quen Oh: but its a heavy heavy instrument
    Pia Iger: Hi, there
    Adams Rubble: Only if its not one of the inflatable ones
    quen Oh: pff they sound airy.. like a windorgan, I like mine of good old fashioned wood...
    Neela Blaisdale: Trying to figure out what's in the middle of he table
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.
    Adams Rubble: Ah it must be a microphone
    Adams Rubble: Wol has set up a resr autologging
    Adams Rubble: test
    quen Oh: interesting form
    Adams Rubble: We haven't gotten on to a topic yet Pia
    Pia Iger: maybe soon will?
    quen Oh: what is the book on the table about btw?
    quen Oh: has anyone read it?
    Adams Rubble: We seem to fishing in the music world
    Adams Rubble: The book was left by Adelene
    quen Oh: found a website about it...
    quen Oh: phone
    Neela Blaisdale: what is the site?

    I do my guardian duty and bring up the nine seconds practice; Neela responds with a topic which eventually turns to time

    Adams Rubble: Has anyone anything to report on their 9-second exercises? (Adams tries hopefully)
    Neela Blaisdale: I've been finding it
    Neela Blaisdale: hard to focus on
    Neela Blaisdale: rushing around too much
    Neela Blaisdale: of course it would help that rushing feeling if I did
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Are you busier in September?
    Neela Blaisdale: No just this one. Election stuff
    Adams Rubble: Ah (Adams remembers that is a good thing)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Adams Rubble: I hvae been finding that my mind is very quiet lately
    Neela Blaisdale: quiet mind sounds good
    Adams Rubble: It is a contrast to its state all summer
    Adams Rubble: But I am using the nine-seconds to break from the tension of the busy world around me
    Neela Blaisdale: I seem to be having trouble with typing

    Pia brings in the time reference

    Pia Iger: the tension could be the imagined continuity of time. There is only now. it sort of cut throught the tension chain.
    Neela Blaisdale: yes good point
    Neela Blaisdale: I would like to find a way to make the 9 sec automatic, so I don't forget
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm. My function at work is to set things up for the semester
    Adams Rubble: Yes, Neela. I use the mindful clock when near a computer
    Adams Rubble: But that doesn't help when one is away
    Pia Iger: Neela, I can suggest you take a few days to try 9 sec.Then you will have a taste of the "dropping" "seeing", it will encourage you to continue.
    Neela Blaisdale: I would like it to become internal, an internal clock
    Adams Rubble: The blog helps keep me disciplined
    Neela Blaisdale: yes I have done it and enjoy it, it's just when things get hectic I tend to forget
    Adams Rubble: Pia, I am interested in what you were saying. I haven't fully been able to accept the time issue yet. Maybe it is the historian in me :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Also I would like to make that way of experience a more permanent, automatic part of me
    Pia Iger: sound like Neela is very motivated! You will find you way.
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Adams Rubble thinks it may be habit forming :)
    Pia Iger: Adams, I was just saying one of my understanding of tension.
    Pia Iger: I found as I grow older, things are harder, more stressful to do, it is because I have bought into the normal conecpt of continuous time, there is future, tomorrow...
    Pia Iger: more things to do.
    Neela Blaisdale: Along the lines of if you can stay in the moment the tension disappears?
    Adams Rubble: Yes Pia, there always seems to be something that is not getting done
    Pia Iger: kind of. If you only see what you need to do at this moment, the pressure of future are relieved.
    Adams Rubble: Yes Pia
    Neela Blaisdale: yes had a good example of that yesterday
    Adams Rubble: The nine-seconds definitely helps see that Pia
    Pia Iger: yes, Adams

    Neela touches us with a unique experience in stopping and dropping

    Neela Blaisdale: I was canvassing with another person, someone I didn't know before. We were driving around NH getting lost, I was getting anxious because we weren't getting a lot of addresses done. The other person said to be" Lets meditate for a minute" which was great especially because we didn't know each other and hadn't known we each practiced. We did and then the day became much easier
    Neela Blaisdale: We were able to stop and be now for a minute
    Pia Iger: nice example. driving around can be stressful.
    Adams Rubble: That is a nice example
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: one of the best parts to me was that we were complete strangers yet able to share this, kind of like here at least before you know each other
    Adams Rubble: It is nice that you could do this with someone who is not close
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm. we are on same wavelengths. hehe
    Neela Blaisdale: Of course here it feels like we start to know each other somewhat
    Neela Blaisdale: after a while
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: We know we are looking for similar things

    I confuse everyone by regretfully bringing up bregresting

    Adams Rubble: On Pia's point, I am reminded that someone once said that nobody bregrest on their deathbed that they didn't spend a few more hours at the office
    Adams Rubble: regrets
    Adams Rubble: not bregrest
    Pia Iger: I was gonna google 'bregrest'
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Adams Rubble: I wonder what it would say?
    Pia Iger: I did not do it.
    Adams Rubble: It does not match any documents

    Neela brings in relativity and the relationship of time to Being

    Neela Blaisdale: You know time is such a strange thing- sometimes fast, sometimes slow. How is it related to Being?
    Neela Blaisdale: do you think?
    Adams Rubble: Whew, there have been discussions on that here
    Adams Rubble: The gist seems to be that we should focus on the moment
    quen Oh: sorry guys, back now... mother on phone.. always lengthy
    Neela Blaisdale: /is not surprised about the discussions
    Neela Blaisdale: welcome back Quen
    Adams Rubble: wb
    Pia Iger: Being, -ing, is alwasy in now
    Neela Blaisdale: yes but sometimes wonder where do the moments of now go, are they circular and conti uous, or never ending?
    Adams Rubble: Some of them go into our memory
    Neela Blaisdale: because if you watch a clock they are very discrete, so is that simply an illusion?
    Pia Iger: no.
    Adams Rubble: Your view of the clock is always in the now
    quen Oh: ah you were discussing time?
    Neela Blaisdale: yes Quen
    Pia Iger: the measurement of time is different from the essence of time.
    Neela Blaisdale: how would you describe the essence Pia?
    quen Oh: reread things... find time flying mostly, only rarely it slows down in an extreme way
    Pia Iger: ah oh, I hope Einstein is here. I don't know how to say it.
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: or Bergson..
    Neela Blaisdale: who is that Quen?
    Neela Blaisdale: Oh give it a try Pia
    Pia Iger: googled: Henri Louis Bergson's Book -- Time and Free Will
    quen Oh: its a philosopher, Henri Bergson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Bergson
    quen Oh: yes
    Neela Blaisdale: ty
    Pia Iger: I can only say time is not as we normally see from clock, that regular.
    Neela Blaisdale: So are there 2 times?
    Pia Iger: not 2 times.
    quen Oh: the measured time is artificial, perceived time is different..
    quen Oh: http://www.angelfire.com/md2/timewarp/bergson.html can be interesting on this
    Adams Rubble not sure she has time for that :)
    Neela Blaisdale: ty quen
    Neela Blaisdale: good one Adams :)
    Pia Iger: but start from looking at now, it is something we can put our hand on at least.
    Neela Blaisdale: yes that's true Pia

    Pia brings up cleaning out closets, a topic that seems to be on many of our minds

    Pia Iger: before reading more books, I have a quite practical issue that I hope will be done little by little ---- clean the closet.
    quen Oh: you it will be done?
    quen Oh: you hope*
    Adams Rubble: It is interesting that so many of us are feeling the urge to subtract things as well as attachments
    Adams Rubble hasn't started yet
    quen Oh grins... always hope my house will be cleaned.... it never happens when I don't actually do it
    Neela Blaisdale: yes seems to be a frequent topic in RL too
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Is that what is wrong with my methodology Quen?
    Pia Iger: I always put it off, cause it is such a headache, emotionally, before I actually start from little steps.
    Pia Iger: the difficulty is amplified in my mind
    Adams Rubble: Yes Pia
    Pia Iger: I try to drop the amplified part.
    quen Oh tries to think up ways to make cleaning things more interesting.. listening during that to some nice music, or even lectures you can download for instance..
    quen Oh: it can even work, being busy physical can actually make me more receptable to grasp things, well if not too complicated of course
    Adams Rubble: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you all so much, this was a good session :)
    Pia Iger: ok. let's move to the Hall.
    Neela Blaisdale: Yes ty all
    quen Oh: ah yes
    Adams Rubble: Yes time to move on
    quen Oh: allready time... time flies...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pia Iger: heehee

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