2008.09.24 07:00 - Sticky Wicket

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    For you lotus blossom ... - CH


    Good Morning ...

    Caledonia Heron: hi Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Cal, nice to see you
    Caledonia Heron: same here :)
    Caledonia Heron: it's been a while
    Maxine Walden: yes, it has...
    Caledonia Heron: everything is grey ... waiting a bit
    Maxine Walden: sure
    Caledonia Heron: ah there we go
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    Caledonia Heron: hi Neela :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello Cal and maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: Unfortunately won't be ale to stay too long
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    Maxine Walden: any time at all is a pleasure
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Caledonia Heron: sure, we're glad to have you stay as long as you can
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    Caledonia Heron: checking out the objects on the table :)
    Maxine Walden: is this PaB listener part of the autorecording?
    Caledonia Heron: I was wondering that also
    Maxine Walden: yes, me too
    Caledonia Heron: I think it's listening for who touches it
    Neela Blaisdale: Not sure, know that Adelene made it
    Caledonia Heron: yes I see that - not sure if Adelene is on the autorecord team
    Caledonia Heron: seems possible
    Caledonia Heron: I know Wol was planning to run some tests with what she had developed - not sure of the relationship
    Caledonia Heron: anyway ... :)
    Maxine Walden: I seem to recall that Wol and Adelene were talking about autorecording stuff when I came to a session on Sunday, maybe this is something they have put together
    Caledonia Heron: hmmm, maybe so
    Maxine Walden: but I was told it was not functioning for awhile
    Caledonia Heron: yeah there are multiple parts to be made and then meshed

    Living in SL ...

    Caledonia Heron: your avatar is getting cuter Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: thanks, I have finally had time/incliniation to pay more attention to it/her and it feels good to be doing so
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Maxine Walden: sort of like moving more into SL rather than just using it as a vehicle
    Caledonia Heron: got it
    Caledonia Heron: I visited your house, it's nice
    Caledonia Heron: Storm was showing me around the coastal homes
    Maxine Walden: oh, did you. I was just thinking of mentioning it, Storm helped me with it and it is such a pleasure to just be there. We could go and have a session there sometime like we did at your place
    Caledonia Heron: Neela and I are neighbors in the forest
    Caledonia Heron: sure :) I like the idea of going round to people's places
    Maxine Walden: are you, yes, your place is so vivid and picturesque, have not seen Neela's
    Caledonia Heron: not sure that fits with people knowing where to find us though
    Caledonia Heron: maybe we could figure out a system as a group
    Caledonia Heron: the conversations change so much when at different places
    Maxine Walden: I agree, some 'responsibilities' about being 'findable' during these sessions
    Neela Blaisdale: Back, crashed
    Maxine Walden: how do you find the conversations change? more place oriented?
    Caledonia Heron: wb :)
    Maxine Walden: yes, Neela, wb
    Neela Blaisdale: What are you 2 discussing?
    Caledonia Heron: to me I like the change of venue, the different visuals, it opens up my thoughts a bit
    Caledonia Heron: we're talking about how being in different places for pab may change the discussion Neela
    Maxine Walden: interesting, yes, Neela, we are talking about the different experiences/discussions change with venue
    Neela Blaisdale: Interesting thought
    Caledonia Heron: in particular, going to each other's places
    Neela Blaisdale: will both places be used or only the new pavillion?
    Caledonia Heron: oh, I think the pavillion only, --- we were just speculating :)
    Maxine Walden: flights of fantasy
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Yes its fun to vist, enjoyed your house Cal, very magical

    Talking about time ...

    Maxine Walden: Cal you seemed to be into the time discussion on Sunday at the guardian morning meeting, have you further thoughts?
    Caledonia Heron: thanks Neela :)
    Caledonia Heron: mmm, complex topic and yet not Maxine
    Caledonia Heron: my experience doing the 9sec and other variations has led me to conclude that there is a state that exisits in which no time is present
    Maxine Walden: OK, just wondering, as Pema's posting seems to try to stir further thoughts...yes, agree about 'no time'
    Caledonia Heron: and it may be a superset
    Neela Blaisdale: yes
    Maxine Walden: what is a "superset"
    Maxine Walden: ?
    Caledonia Heron: a superset that contains other notions of time
    Maxine Walden: ah...
    Caledonia Heron: so that may approach something like what Pema calls "fourth time"
    Caledonia Heron: I'm not sure
    Caledonia Heron: I can draw from my experience and my limited vocabulary in expressing that

    Dividing and naming time and Umbriel arrives ...

    Maxine Walden: hi Umbriel
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Caledonia Heron: hi Umbriel :)
    Neela Blaisdale: hello Umbriel
    Maxine Walden: yes, I think we can only draw on what we can envision from our experience and perhaps reach with imagination...will be interesting to see how our thoughts/imaginations evolve
    Caledonia Heron: I was reading your email regarding time this morning Maxine
    Caledonia Heron: it seems to address the vocabulary issues, the need to identify the "things" with which we interact
    Maxine Walden: any impressions?
    Neela Blaisdale: Sorry very bad lag
    Faenik: ah :)
    Caledonia Heron: and the notions of continuity and how we choose to divide up the continuities we percieve into pieces for referential purposes
    Maxine Walden: yes, I was moved by that note from Lanier that you sent around, about how we 'slice' the universe according to what we can perceive
    Caledonia Heron: oops, lost Neela again :)
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, an interesting perspective - I'm sure others have expressed it also but came across that piece randomly and it struck me at the time

    Does being require calm? ...

    Maxine Walden: such considerations bring that sense of humility about our capacities to really perceive the continuity of the universe, or Being perhaps
    Maxine Walden: and the more I try to explore in this area the more humbled I feel
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I think so Maxine
    Caledonia Heron: I agree, a great deal of humbleness associated with those experiences
    Caledonia Heron: I am at the point where I would really like to take what I have experienced in a kind of self-kept bubble or vacuum of experience with being and use it resourcefully in integrating it with my experiences with other people
    Maxine Walden: another interesting element for me in these discussions, perhaps right now, is how we can spark each other...(now reading your note just now) which is very interesting taking the bubble out to other relationships
    Maxine Walden: I have similar wonderings, and have found that when I am centered and perhaps in this humble place that I relate differently with myself and others in the outer world,
    Faenik: indeed?
    Maxine Walden: sort of from a calm place where tasks and thoughts can be accomplished with more ease than previously
    Maxine Walden: within myself but also with others...also be on a different plane with others
    Caledonia Heron: yes I hear you on that and, interactions with people, particularly on certain issues are rarely academic
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Maxine Walden: right
    Caledonia Heron: the calm place we might be in 9sec is not readily accessible in an offhand way during miscommunication
    Maxine Walden: not at all...from the calm place taken out of the practice I rarely relate in an offhand way with self or others
    Maxine Walden: is that your experience?
    Caledonia Heron: so, there are pillars of character and knowing we can utilize in these situations perhaps, to see the calm place, to reach the shared destination with someone
    Maxine Walden: pillars of character?
    Caledonia Heron: I have had a series of miscommunications this week which have led me to investigate this
    Maxine Walden: please say more
    Faenik: why not?
    Caledonia Heron: pillars such as being responsible for your actions, saying what you mean, really trying to hear what others say and wondering or knowing you are or are not successful at that
    Maxine Walden: got it
    Maxine Walden: and the miscommunications?
    Caledonia Heron: and how that relates to being and your experience of being and if you can draw on that experience to improve or optimize the situation
    Maxine Walden: right
    Caledonia Heron: it is a process of integrating what you know to be true with how you be with others, in real time, on the fly
    Maxine Walden: put very well, Cal
    Caledonia Heron: and I notice that I'm successful or not on a highly variable basis
    Caledonia Heron: so.... kind of in the soup :)

    What is calmness? ...

    Maxine Walden: yes, I know that experience too
    Maxine Walden: not always predictable
    Maxine Walden: even when you feel you might be carrying the calm from the practice?
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Caledonia Heron: yes, and let's be clear.... "carrying the calm" can be done in a lot of ways
    Maxine Walden: OK...
    Caledonia Heron: to me it has to be done from the right place, an authentic sort of humbleness like we were talking about
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes "carrying the calm" can be done a little righteously which is not a good thing imo
    Maxine Walden: precisely, otherwise it has a falseness or even silent arrogance
    Caledonia Heron: yes! and therefore not really a state of "carrying the calm"
    Maxine Walden: exactly!!
    Faenik loves wells!
    Caledonia Heron: so..... back again to integrating the authentic sense of being into the interactions with others ... it's sometimes a sticky wicket
    Maxine Walden: Umbriel, are you feeling left out of this conversation?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I've been hoping you'd jump in any moment
    Caledonia Heron: perhaps you are doing other things, multi-tasking?
    Maxine Walden: Yes, Cal, it is always a turning back to the authentic, which is not always easy to discern with so many 'voices' going on at the same time
    Umbriel Levenque: Well... I don't really have much to add at this point. If something comes up, I will certainly speak up. Thanks for checking though.
    Caledonia Heron: yes for sure Maxine

    Passion v. Excitement ...

    Maxine Walden: We can get so intense in discussion, Umbriel, it can seem like we are having a private conversation, which of course is not the case
    Caledonia Heron: we know our "academic brains" oh so well, and, when we get to talking and stirred up the rational departs and what is left to draw upon? perhaps the "being as a resource"
    Maxine Walden: the 'stirred up' does separate us at times from the deeper resource, I find I have to monitor that a bit, or at least try to witness when I am excited or maybe overly stirred up
    Caledonia Heron: lol and, passion is good!
    Maxine Walden: isn't that in interesting discussion point: passion vs excitement which may impoverish or distract us?
    Caledonia Heron: indeed
    Maxine Walden: I think for me right now 'passion' is a term which covers a lot of different excited states
    Maxine Walden: some creative and probably some not so much
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Caledonia Heron: yes, and you likely know more about this and emotional states than I Maxine .... it is interesting to consider in the light of being as a resource

    Stepping back and Fael arrives ...

    Caledonia Heron: hi Fael :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal, Maxine, Umbriel :)
    Umbriel Levenque: um...
    Maxine Walden: yes, oh hi, Fael, looks like we better watch our step with Fael
    Faenik: why not?
    Caledonia Heron: yikes, big mallet there Fael :)
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Caledonia Heron: tread lightly everyone
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Maxine Walden: guess so, walk softly and carry a big stick?
    Caledonia Heron: we are mulling over integrating being with everyday experiences with other people, and using being as a resource, and the distinction between passion and excitiement , and... (you get the idea) :)
    Maxine Walden: For me, currently it seems that being is a quiet steady resource which can be lost sight of when I am excited, distracted, angry, upset, fatigued...
    Maxine Walden: but when I can quiet down and tap back into it/being it is like tapping back into a steadily present percolating stream
    Caledonia Heron: yes and I think even the more experienced practitioners have that issue also .... but perhaps to a lesser degree or less frequently
    Fael Illyar: you can lose sight of Being if you try to reject the excitement, anger, upset or fatigue.
    Maxine Walden: (have to go in about 5 minutes, just want to mention beforehand)
    Maxine Walden: not reject, perhaps, Fael, but be aware of the layering or distraction of the anger, etc if possible
    Fael Illyar: ah, yes, trying to ignore can do that also
    Caledonia Heron: all that stuff is being .... the calm, the quiet, the anger, upset ... etc etc
    Caledonia Heron: all just stuff.... the real key it is appearing more clearly to me, is how it integrates into everyday plain old stuff
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Maxine Walden: often I notice that my anger, upset, agitation etc is a signal for how I am in interplay with others or with aspects of myself
    Caledonia Heron: hopefully I will do better today
    Maxine Walden: and if I can just take a little step back maybe I can 'read' the signal rather than be caught up in it, having to just be in the anger, etc. Does not always work but nice when it does
    Maxine Walden: guess I had better go, always difficult to leave these wonderful conversations...they seem to get deeper and deeper, wonderful stuff!
    Caledonia Heron: yeah for sure Maxine ... and all those states it would seem are mitigated by the being as resource notion
    Fael Illyar: See you later Maxine :)
    Caledonia Heron: bye Maxine :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Maxine Walden: yes, bye for now all
    Caledonia Heron: see you soon

    Good bye ...

    Umbriel Levenque: Nice to see you Cal and Fael. Have a good day.
    Caledonia Heron: are these objects on the table part of the autorecord project Fael?
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Caledonia Heron: bye Umbriel :)
    Fael Illyar: yes, probably :)
    Caledonia Heron: ok, wasn't sure so thought I'd ask
    Fael Illyar: anyway, I'm about to go as well, so, see you later :)
    Caledonia Heron: ok, nice to see you ... talk to you soon :)

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