2008.09.28 01:00 - Autolog Geekery

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are Fael's.

    I was there early to poke around with Wol's new gadget and then Kat arrived.

    Kat Lemieux: Hello!
    Fael Illyar: Hello :)
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    PaB Listener Master: Recording has stopped, the session is ended.
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    PaB Listener Master: Recording has started!

    Wol's test gadget, I did my best to make sure it's recording.

    Kat Lemieux: So, a new gadget for recording sessions, huh?
    Fael Illyar: Yes, alpha testing :)

    Then Wol appeared.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)
    Kat Lemieux: Cool! Does it post to the blog automatically?
    Wol Euler: hello fael, kat.
    Fael Illyar: not yet, no.
    Kat Lemieux: hi Wol
    Fael Illyar: the automatic part is a bit suspect as well :)
    Fael Illyar: perhaps semi-auto :)
    Kat Lemieux: Well, maybe that's just as well. It might be good to have a human look at a log before publishing it to the world.

    Some policy conversation.

    Wol Euler: hmm, the intention was that it wuld be fully automatic, actually.
    Wol Euler: the problem with human review is deciding automatically which human has to review it
    Kat Lemieux: That would certainly eliminate a lot of effort, but might be a violation of the TOS.
    Wol Euler: though, fael, we could have a table of GoCs.
    Wol Euler: ah, ok, just a moment.
    Wol Euler: Kat, there is still a GoC who is reponsible for hte meeting.
    Kat Lemieux: GoC?
    Wol Euler: One of those responsibilities is still to greet newcomers and ask their permission.
    Wol Euler: "Gardian on Call", the leader as it were. The person who posts logs at present.
    Kat Lemieux: Ok, that would take care of the TOS, certainly
    Wol Euler: yes, we absuolutely must continue to do that, whether manually or electronically.
    Kat Lemieux: Ah. this group does come up with some original acronyms!
    Wol Euler: Pema at his best.
    Kat Lemieux: ;-)
    Kat Lemieux: or worst
    Wol Euler grins
    Fael Illyar: GoC was from Cal I think.

    I somehow felt the acronym belongs to who coined it up... hopefully I remembered it right.

    Kat Lemieux: Excuse me, i'm going to relog as my alt. BRB
    Wol Euler: ok
    Fael Illyar: sure
    Wol Euler: ok, now. why hasn't it rezzed balls for us?
    Wol Euler: damn
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by a PaB guardian.
    PaB Listener Master: Recording has stopped, the session is ended.
    Fael Illyar: I did try touching it twice and it made noise about starting recording but no balls
    Wol Euler: oh, we do.
    Wol Euler: now.
    Wol Euler: ok, so there is a problem with rezzing after a session ends.
    Wol Euler: which is resolved by touching it.
    Fael Illyar: and the first thing it said when I tpd in was that recording has stopped, the session is ended line
    Wol Euler: I infer that you were alone then?
    Fael Illyar: before I had time to do anything at all. Yes, alone
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
    Wol Euler: I'll have to print this out and pencil-line the state flows. Some things are just simpler on paper.
    Fael Illyar: it looks as if last night's 1pm session recorded just fine though
    Wol Euler: good!

    Katrin appeared.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Katrin :)
    Wol Euler: don't delete these sessions, please, we can use them as tests for the auto-publishing.
    Katrin Thor: Hi again. kat here.
    Wol Euler: hello katrin
    Fael Illyar wasn't going to delete it
    Wol Euler: good, just checking :-)
    Wol Euler rolls up her sleeves.
    Fael Illyar: There's still need to examine if a usable log can be read from the db :)
    Katrin Thor: I relogged so i could join the Kira group. Kat Lemieux is all out of groups.
    Wol Euler: heheheh, a common problem.
    Fael Illyar: Sure, no problem :)
    Fael Illyar finds it interesting that her creating an alt is quite close in time to having full groups on this one.
    Wol Euler: a useful coincidence, perhaps.
    Fael Illyar didn't even think about that.
    Katrin Thor: For me it's no coincidence. katrin exists almost exclusively for the purpose of group-overloading
    Wol Euler: not consciuosly, perhaps...

    The conversation almost flips to PaB subjects but ... not quite.

    Wol Euler: heh
    Fael Illyar: can't say anything about my unconscious :P
    Fael Illyar: it does it's thing :)
    Fael Illyar: seems to do it well too :)
    Wol Euler: apropos GoC, who is it?
    Fael Illyar raises her hand.
    Wol Euler: good :-)
    Wol Euler: poink

    I was bashing at the table with my "hammer".

    Fael Illyar: it looks as if the receiver script has been getting hits all night
    Wol Euler: hmm, that's odd. I wonder from whom.
    Wol Euler: passing newbies from the welcome area, perhaps.
    Fael Illyar: just last night's session and another with an empty string in the db when I looked this morning
    Wol Euler: meaning that hte other hits were errors? (sorry Katrin, geekeery will cease soon :-)
    Katrin Thor: NP. Native speaker of geekery here, too.
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Fael Illyar: yup, all natives :)
    Wol Euler: most of SL is, it seems ...
    Katrin Thor: and plead guilty to clicking on the little cone in my other incarnation
    Wol Euler: give the place its flavour.
    Wol Euler: aaaah.
    Katrin Thor: Didn't actually "touch' it, just clicked edit to see what it was.
    Wol Euler: oh, ok.
    Wol Euler: actually it should ignore your touch since you aren't in the guardians list.
    Katrin Thor: Ok.
    Wol Euler: try it please, to be sure?
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.

    Wol's script works as intended.

    Wol Euler: yay
    Wol Euler: ty
    Katrin Thor: yw
    Katrin Thor: So is this your script?
    Wol Euler: sorta :-)
    Wol Euler: I wrote the basis, which Adelene modified for the multi-listener systsem we now use, and I am modifying it again to get it working with the webserver
    Wol Euler: and adding some error-checking and commonsense control stuff too
    Katrin Thor: ok. That seems to be a common way of collaboration
    Katrin Thor: serial scripting?
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: probably as close as we can get to extreme programming in SL (yet)

    Umbriel appeared.

    Wol Euler: hello Umbriel
    Fael Illyar: Hi Umb :)
    Katrin Thor: Hi Umbriel
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Wol Euler: metta
    Umbriel Levenque: How are you all?
    Wol Euler: in this half rezzed state, you look more like Gandhi than Lawrence :-)
    Katrin Thor: Better, thanks!
    Faenik: could be
    Wol Euler: well htanks, and you?
    Umbriel Levenque: haha Gandhi is also good
    Umbriel Levenque: well thank you
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

    Petepete appeared. New face and using the dragonlet avatar.

    Katrin Thor: HEllo petepete
    Wol Euler: morning petepete
    Petepete Magic: morning
    Wol Euler: oder sollte ich "hallo" sagen?
    Petepete Magic: be right back
    Umbriel Levenque: sure
    Petepete Magic: my view is kinda broken
    Petepete Magic: nevermind
    Wol Euler: that happens ometimes when you#ve been camming around.
    Faenik loves wells!
    PaB Listener Master: I've been touched by someone I don't recognize.
    Wol Euler: press ESC a few times to return to the usual camera position.
    Umbriel Levenque: wb Pete
    Petepete Magic: thanks
    Wol Euler: and welcome to your third day in SL by the way :-)
    Petepete Magic: College signed me up
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Faenik: why not?
    Fael Illyar: ah, they're teaching SL in college already
    Wol Euler: or teaching college in SL?
    Katrin Thor: Both, i think
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Wol Euler grins
    Katrin Thor: I know Texas Weslyan has SL how2 class, and their biology dept. teaches in world
    Petepete Magic: so what religion r u ppl?
    Petepete Magic: just wondering
    Wol Euler: none as such
    Petepete Magic: cool
    Petepete Magic: Im a Wiccan
    Fael Illyar: my religion has no name.
    Wol Euler: it's a meditation practice, not associated with any particular religion.
    Katrin Thor: this group is exploring 'ways of being" integrating science & religion and philosphy, etc.
    Wol Euler: many of us are taoist or buddhist, but that is not a necessary part of it.
    Umbriel Levenque doesn't follow any particular religion
    Petepete Magic: Cool
    Petepete Magic: wow i can fly out of the roof ;)
    Petepete Magic: or not

    New to SL and already exploring things. At this rate, native in no time :)

    Katrin Thor: ;-)
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Wol Euler smiles. You could, if you aimed for the hole...
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Petepete Magic: ill try again]
    Petepete Magic: lol
    Petepete Magic: can i ask what the Blue dot above my head is?
    Wol Euler: sure :-)
    Petepete Magic: whats the blue dot above my head?
    Wol Euler: we record these sessions for publication on our blog.
    Petepete Magic: ah
    Wol Euler: the blue ball is a listener device.
    Fael Illyar: speaking of which, do you have an objection to having your lines and SL name recorded there?

    I do the obligatory question of logging.

    Wol Euler: it isn't operational yet, we are testing the system.
    Petepete Magic: nope
    Wol Euler: ty
    Petepete Magic: im fine with it
    Umbriel Levenque: Nice name you've got Pete.
    Petepete Magic: thanks
    Wol Euler: heh, blue dragon day.

    I'd changed to my fae dragon form to match Petepete.

    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Faenik: could be
    Petepete Magic: fael - what outfit is that?
    Katrin Thor: a butter-griffin?
    Fael Illyar: this is for sale at grendel's children.
    Petepete Magic: nice
    Petepete Magic: how much?
    Wol Euler: a marvellous shop, Pete, excellent avatars relatively c heap.
    Umbriel Levenque nods
    Petepete Magic: i prob can't afford it though
    Fael Illyar: was a bit under 200L when I got it.
    Petepete Magic: i only have 138L
    Wol Euler: do you have a paypal account?
    Fael Illyar: but grendel has the habit of reducing prices gradually
    Petepete Magic: no
    Katrin Thor: It's pretty easy to buy more L$. L$200 is less than US$1
    Wol Euler: ok, you can get one with an e-mail address. Put some RL money into it, and you can buy L$ from paypal.
    Petepete Magic: less than 50p (in england)
    Umbriel Levenque: or credit card...
    Wol Euler: ah! another Euro.
    Petepete Magic: lol
    Umbriel Levenque: :-) <= UK also
    Fael Illyar <-- Finland.
    Katrin Thor: Nope, another £
    Wol Euler: Germany :-)
    Petepete Magic: I want to move to america in later life though
    Wol Euler: true, katrin. Sorry. no offence intenced :-)
    Katrin Thor: ;-)
    Umbriel Levenque: yea... a wide channel between UK and the continent
    Katrin Thor: I certainly take no offence. Not a Brit
    Petepete Magic: If only the world in RL was like this here

    Who knows, perhaps someday? ... then again, how do we know it isn't already and we've just forgotten?

    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Petepete Magic: Its so relaxing. I could meditate so welll here
    Katrin Thor: Feel free!
    Wol Euler: people do.
    Umbriel Levenque nods
    Petepete Magic: i mean in RL (If RL was like this it would be so great)
    Wol Euler: we've made a notecard about our practices, btw, I will give you a copy.
    Katrin Thor: Once you've been in SL for awhile, it's hard to tell the difference
    Wol Euler: ha, true!
    Petepete Magic: lol
    Faenik: why not?
    Petepete Magic: why when i stretch do i sound like a female dragon?
    Petepete Magic: lol
    Katrin Thor: what I find really annoying is when I'm using a Web browser, and I can't alt-zoom
    Wol Euler: yes! I keep alt-clicking on Flickr photos to cam around in them
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Wol Euler: the stretch is probably using a gesture which happens to have a female voice. There is probably a male yawn too...
    Petepete Magic: Cool
    Petepete Magic: (i just read the note)
    Petepete Magic: wow.... some gestures are ruined by this skin
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Petepete Magic: Sorry by the way. Im still working SL out

    Very explorative :)

    Katrin Thor: not a problem. everyone has been there.
    Wol Euler: we were all new once, just like in RL.
    Petepete Magic: Lol
    Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sounds'.
    Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sound 5'.
    Petepete Magic: Thats meditative sounds
    Katrin Thor: What are you studying, pete?
    Petepete Magic: Games Development...... and Italitan
    Petepete Magic: Italian*
    Katrin Thor: Interesting combo!
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Wol Euler: how appropriate to be here then :-)
    Petepete Magic: Well i go to italy alot because my Auntie lives there
    Katrin Thor: So the Italian isn't for professional reasons, then?
    Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sounds'.
    Windchime Bronze 12: Petepete Magic picked the option 'Sound OFF'.
    Petepete Magic: no but i could use it for that =]
    Katrin Thor: I know several italian software developers, so it could work out
    Petepete Magic: Cool

    Then some ... apparently Italian.

    Petepete Magic: Ciao Mi Chiamo Pietro... Come Stai?
    Umbriel Levenque: bene grazie e lei?
    Petepete Magic: Molto Bene
    Petepete Magic: Grazie
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Katrin Thor: ;-) My Italian is a bit out of date -- high school latin is as close as i got
    Wol Euler: lol
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Petepete Magic: I havent done much italian
    Katrin Thor: More than i have, though! Right now i'm trying to learn Arabic.
    Wol Euler: wow
    Wol Euler: professionally, or for fun?
    Katrin Thor: So far I've learned about 1/2 of lesson #1 ;-)
    Katrin Thor: well, academic degree was in Linguistics, but i just enjoy trying to learn different languages. No good at it, sadly.
    Petepete Magic: Its really Realxing here
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Wol Euler shakes her head and grins. As far as communicating with people goes, I findthat willingness is about 60% right away.
    Fael Illyar: we all love this place :)
    Katrin Thor: My stepdaughter is fluent in arabic, though, and is dating an Egyptian, so i thought it would be good to be able to say hello, etc.
    Wol Euler: if you want to communicate, you will.
    Wol Euler: ah :-)
    Fael Illyar speaks Finnish, English and Japanese fluently enough to converse in them.
    Katrin Thor: Nice!
    Petepete Magic: I just made a landmark here just to find it again ;) nice!
    Katrin Thor: I used to be able to get by in German, but that was many years ago.
    Katrin Thor: You're catching on fast, pete!
    Petepete Magic: lol
    Katrin Thor: Have you found some of the reference locations with tutorials?
    Petepete Magic: I wanted to set home to here but i wasnt allowed.
    Petepete Magic: no
    Petepete Magic: just exploring
    Katrin Thor: Right, you have to be a group member
    Wol Euler: ... or on your own land.
    Petepete Magic: oh
    Katrin Thor: Let me relog to my main avatar -- i've got a folder of landmarks I can give you

    Katrin vanished, to be replaced with Kat again.

    Faenik: indeed?
    Katrin Thor: BRB as Kat
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Wol Euler: bye katrin, nice meeting you.
    Petepete Magic: ok
    Petepete Magic: th
    Petepete Magic: ty*
    Umbriel Levenque: oops too late
    Petepete Magic: Dust cloud! lol jk
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Petepete Magic: Thanks alot
    Kat Lemieux: There you go, pete. YW
    Petepete Magic: Im going to Explore
    Kat Lemieux: I think you'd particularly enjoy the particle lab
    Petepete Magic: ill go there first.
    Petepete Magic: thanks
    Kat Lemieux: Enjoy!
    Wol Euler: all right, take care.
    Petepete Magic: Ciao
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Kat Lemieux: Would anyone else like my list of basic references? Not that you all need them....
    Wol Euler: sure, thanks.
    Faenik: indeed?
    Umbriel Levenque: sure ty
    Wol Euler: always interesting to see other peole's faves.
    Kat Lemieux: I'd drop them on you, Wol, but you're just a floating glow!

    The inconvenience of being a cloud.

    Umbriel Levenque: ty
    Wol Euler: you can drop onto my nametag, that always works.
    Kat Lemieux: Yep, that was my next step
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Kat Lemieux: I don't know why you dematerialized. I saw you fine a few moments ago
    Wol Euler pouts and kicks SL.
    Umbriel Levenque: :-(
    Umbriel Levenque: brb
    Wol Euler: ha, the listeners are not derezzing :-(
    Kat Lemieux: awwwww
    Kat Lemieux: WB pete
    Petepete Magic: Im back
    Petepete Magic: The Fireworks place at the particle lab is ace
    Fael Illyar apologizes for being so distracted as to be unable to pay attention.

    Somehow, I was unable to really concentrate properly on the meeting.

    Kat Lemieux: Glad you like it ;-)
    Wol Euler: wb pete.
    Wol Euler: hello gaya
    Kat Lemieux: hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Gaya Ethaniel: Mommy, Second Life won't work today..=[[

    This one was accompanied with a child's voice saying the sentence.

    Petepete Magic: Hi Gaya and welcome to the Pavillion
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Petepete Magic: Im Meditating
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Petepete Magic: Hey!
    Faenik loves wells!
    Faenik: why not?
    Petepete Magic: Ah
    Petepete Magic: Are there more Gestures than what are on the immediate list?
    Kat Lemieux: Yes, you can find some in your inventory
    Wol Euler: yes, there is also the list in the Library part of the Inventory.
    Wol Euler: and you can buy ohters.
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Petepete Magic: Ok
    Petepete Magic: Ty
    Petepete Magic: All i have in my Library is Clothing folder
    Petepete Magic: thanx
    Gaya Ethaniel: Activate the gesture I gave you pete and type '/moo' if you want to try out
    Petepete Magic: Mommy, Second Life won't work today..=[[
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Petepete Magic: how do u make it say 'Gaya Ethaniel Smiles'?
    Gaya Ethaniel: pls type '/ smiles'
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry
    Petepete Magic: /smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: '/ me smiles'
    Fael Illyar: '/me smiles'
    Petepete Magic smiles
    Petepete Magic: ah thanks
    Wol Euler: right!
    Kat Lemieux: with no space between '/' and 'me'
    Petepete Magic smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel nods. no space no...
    Fael Illyar smiles warmly.
    Kat Lemieux grins impishly
    Petepete Magic: /cheese
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Gaya Ethaniel: manbo!
    Petepete Magic smiles

    The rest of the meeting was playing around with not much chat and would be rather confusing without sounds and images so I've omitted that part.

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