2008.10.25 07:00 - Real Me?

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    Pia Iger was guardian and post this log.

    Neela came in as a snow leopard. Much of our talk grew around that.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Pia!
    Pia Iger: Hi, Corvi, brb,
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no hurry
    Pema Pera is Online
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya, Pema!
    Pema Pera: Hi there, Corvi and Pia!
    Pema Pera: I'm still slowly rezzing
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya, Neela!
    Pema Pera: and you're still a glowing cloud for me, Corvi
    Pema Pera: Hi Neela!
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello everyone, Pema!
    Pema Pera: great skin, Neela!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at Neela and scritches her white ears.
    Pia Iger: Hi, Neela, what a change!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you found the hud controls?
    Neela Blaisdale: ty, we had quite a discussion the other night about appearances and av's. Made me think about trying different things
    Neela Blaisdale: yes found them!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...yes...good.!
    Pema Pera is looking forward to Christmas time, when he may find time to play with avs
    Neela Blaisdale: :) actualy lots of fun, many choices. Another good thing about SL, the ability to choose
    Pema Pera: definitely!
    Neela Blaisdale: I was talking yesterday with Fael about gender and av's
    Pema Pera: the only thing I need now is to find the time to be able to choose :)
    Neela Blaisdale: yes, time is precious

    Changing our appearance can help us see the real self.

    Neela Blaisdale: we were talking about how changing your appearance changes how you feel and how you act
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and how others act toward you.
    Pema Pera: I can imagine -- I've never been an animal yet, but it must make a big difference!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins a Neela, leaning on her a bit.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Neela Blaisdale: Not sure yet since it's so new and you all know me as "the real" me but we'll see
    Pema Pera: another "real me" added now!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: btw, yesterday we had a nice lunch in RL, with Stim and Adams and Fael and me
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: this is real, too, no?
    Pema Pera: sure it is, about as real as anything
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or as real as "Neela, girl"
    Pema Pera: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Yes- which is the "real" one? which one is the "real" one?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yeah
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: exactly.
    Pema Pera: We talked about "who am I", among other things, during lunch, and yes, the question of who am I really
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah!
    Pema Pera: The original idea of the 9-sec practice was (and still is) very simple: drop what you have to see what you are
    Pema Pera: not drop as in get rid of it, but drop as in drop your attachment to it, wear it lightly
    Pema Pera: and switching identities is a great way to learn to wear each one lightly
    Corvuscorva Nightfire ndos.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes
    Neela Blaisdale: SL helps by letting you practice!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: indeed!
    Pema Pera: very much so!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire scratches Neela's nose.
    Neela Blaisdale purrs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire pulls a kipper from her pocket and tosses it at Neela.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
    Neela Blaisdale: :)

    Pema pointed to an unusual direction.

    Pema Pera: Over lunch we talked about the difficulty of asking the question "who am I", since we are used to looking for an answer right away -- but the point may be to instead look for the one who is asking "who am I" instead of looking for an answer . . . a hard switch to make at first; sometimes called "turning the lights around" -- looking in a completely different direction than you may ever have done
    Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks about this.
    Neela Blaisdale: yes. Seems easier to do that here, sometimes hard to do in RL when caught up in the day to day. the 9 sec helps
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: yes, little breaks seem to make big differences . . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: any space makes a difference.
    Pema Pera: can you give some examples, perhaps, Neela, of how the 9 sec has helped in RL?
    Neela Blaisdale: well if feeling overwelmed, work, election, whatever makes me stop and change "heads", shuts off the "loop"
    Neela Blaisdale: then after I find I'm feeling very diferently
    Pema Pera: yes, opening the loop can be a great relief!
    Neela Blaisdale: that's the immediate effect. In the long term I 've been feeling a much more intense "universal connection" for lack of a better word
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks at this with interest.
    Adams Rubble is Online
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Neela?
    Neela Blaisdale: well I now think it is possible to feel conected to Being, although I always believed intellectually in the idea that we are all connected, now I feel it at times

    So wonderful to hear what Neela just said!
    Adams entered.

    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Adams
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Everyone :)
    Pema Pera: That's a wonderful shift, Neela!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi adams!
    Pia Iger: Hi Adams!
    Neela Blaisdale: yes
    Pema Pera: That's the difference between just thinking/talking about philosophy and actually living it out
    Pema Pera: I still marvel about the fact that the 9 secs somehow has the power to instigate that kind of shift . . . .
    Neela Blaisdale: and it's made me more patient at times, although patience is a hard one for me in general
    Pema Pera: very glad to hear that!
    Pema Pera: Adams, I mentioned our lunch with Stim and Fael yesterday, and the "Who am I" question. Let me quote what I said a few minutes earlier:
    ou: Over lunch we talked about the difficulty of asking the question "who am I", since we are used to looking for an answer right away -- but the point may be to instead look for the one who is asking "who am I" instead of looking for an answer . . . a hard switch to make at first; sometimes called "turning the lights around" -- looking in a completely different direction than you may ever have done
    Adams Rubble: It needs patience too
    Adams Rubble: Thank you
    Adams Rubble: In my case it seems I am asking on a number of levels :)
    Neela Blaisdale: I think everyone is?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: you aren't alone, Adams.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's a hard hard question.
    Neela Blaisdale: the nice thing is it now feels very comfortable not to know
    Neela Blaisdale: when I was younger I kept waiting for that absolute certainty
    Adams Rubble: Somebody in me wants to know pretty badly right now it seems
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...I hope I get there soon.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to Adams.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yeah
    Neela Blaisdale: yes depends on the amount of discomfort it brings

    Adams puzzled.

    Adams Rubble: Pema, could this be related to an identity issue or is it different?
    Pema Pera: how do you mean, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: Well for some reason I have become uncomfortable. In the past few months that meant I was facing an identity or attachment
    Pema Pera: oh yes, can well be!
    Adams Rubble: There seem to be so many places to look for the discomfort
    Adams Rubble: Who is uncomfortable?
    Pema Pera: when we look deeper into reality, into what is, we have the tendency to protect our own identity -- we don't want to give up -- is this the kind of discomfort you are hinting at?
    Adams Rubble thinks "maybe"
    Pema Pera: we tend to get afraid . . . very understandably
    Pema Pera: If we explore a totally new city, we can get lost and that can be very uncomfortable
    Pema Pera: where did I park my car? where is my hotel?
    Pema Pera: or "where is my wallet"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: if someone picked your wallet -- not much fun!
    Pema Pera: BUT we are talking about something MUCH more uncomfortable
    Pema Pera: where is my self, my identity?
    Pema Pera: loosing objects is one thing, but seeming to have to lose yourself, the subject, is far more scarier . . . .
    Pema Pera: *losing
    Pema Pera: *scary
    Adams Rubble: yes to the thought
    Adams Rubble: Instead of where did I park my car? the thought may be what is important to be doing
    Pema Pera: so when you freeze up with that question, there are many ways to let that frozen block melt . . . for example, by giving up a tight grasping, as Neela said, or by looking into "who is asking" as you said
    Adams Rubble: Is the job important?
    Pema Pera: sure it is!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: but not the only important thing . . . .
    Pema Pera: and probably not the most important
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: I ask that because it seems to be interfering right now :)
    Neela Blaisdale: in what way?
    Adams Rubble: It is a bit of a nuissance....taking up time but as Neela has done, I must be patient
    Adams Rubble: I was thinkiing that on my walk this morning...no time :)
    Neela Blaisdale tries, doesn't always succeed
    Pema Pera: the beauty of the 9 sec is that it doesn't have to interfere, at least time wise
    Adams Rubble: There is no deadline to do this (whatever it is)
    Adams Rubble: Ah, yes the nine seconds
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no deadline..the best part.
    Pema Pera smiles too
    Pema Pera: a lifeline? (sorry :)

    More coziness before we go.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire snorts.
    Neela Blaisdale: :)
    Pema Pera snorts back
    Adams Rubble: Unless one believes in reincarnation :)
    Pema Pera: wow!
    Pema Pera: a REAL snort!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: wooooooo
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire backs up just a little, giggles and reaches out to touch Neela's nose again for reassurance.
    Pema Pera thinks Corvi is real brave . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs..really, I just trust Neela not to bite...too hard.
    Adams Rubble thinks Nela is very cuddly
    Pema Pera: and decorative!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: well, I'll have to get going
    Neela Blaisdale a blushing leopard
    Pema Pera: RL calling
    Pema Pera: hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye, Pema
    Neela Blaisdale: good to see you Pema
    Adams Rubble: Bye Pema, thanks :)
    Pema Pera: bye everybody, good seeing y'all !
    Neela Blaisdale: Bye Pema

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