2008.11.05 19:00 - Cats on the Roof for a time

Stevenaia Michinaga was the Guardian for this meeting and the comments are stevenaia's

Rowan Masala and Threedee Shepherd arrive as I settle in on the middle roof for tonight's meeting

Rowan Masala squeezes out the water from her skirt
stevenaia Michinaga: hi there, we're meeting on the middle roof tonight
stevenaia Michinaga: hi
Rowan Masala: um, this is really awkward
Threedee Shepherd: hi
Rowan Masala: and it's not letting me sit
stevenaia Michinaga: keep trying eventually you find a spot on this side of the railing
Rowan Masala: I suppose I could hiver if need be
Rowan Masala: *hover
stevenaia Michinaga: but you look good hovering
Threedee Shepherd: can you not fly over to here
stevenaia Michinaga: if this gets to strange we can sit on the timber roofs leading to the main structure, I know you lions are known for your balance
Rowan Masala: are you including me in that group?
Rowan Masala: just cause I'm a Leo?
stevenaia Michinaga: I know you are balanced, Rowan
stevenaia Michinaga: I should have know that
stevenaia Michinaga: you ok with heights , Three?
Threedee Shepherd: fine
Rowan Masala sighs
Rowan Masala: ok, when all else fails, rezz a poseball
stevenaia Michinaga: I love that our feet hang below the roof
Threedee Shepherd: Hi folks, we are up on the middle roof
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome Ade and Claire, we are trying out the middle roof tonight
 

Rowan Rezzes pillows for us to sit on, Corvuscorva Nightfire and Claire Beltran arrive. Corvie sits but hoovers with legs crossed for the evening

stevenaia Michinaga: nice pillow Rowan
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Corvi
Adelene Dawner: Interesting.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: HIya!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: wanna teleport, Claire?
stevenaia Michinaga: I know this may seem like pavillion abuse... but, when in Sl...
Rowan Masala: careful, when Stevie tped me I ended up in the fountain
Claire Beltran: Hello, all ^-^/
stevenaia Michinaga: have a seat, relax
stevenaia Michinaga: I already have a picture for the wiki log
Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheheh
Corvuscorva Nightfire: clever yous
stevenaia Michinaga: Caire, are you floating?
Claire Beltran: No, I'm on a pillow.
Threedee Shepherd: An interesting question is what exactly is the functional intent of the railing?
Claire Beltran: Um... it just looks pretty to me.
stevenaia Michinaga: seems difficult with these sloped surfaces, perhaps we should call for benches
stevenaia Michinaga: so we can't use the roof as a diving board?
stevenaia Michinaga: always the analytic one, Three
Corvuscorva Nightfire: benches.....
Corvuscorva Nightfire: good
Corvuscorva Nightfire: they'd slide though...
Threedee Shepherd: anal-ytic, you say ;D
Corvuscorva Nightfire: unless bolted down
Corvuscorva Nightfire whaps 3D with the everpresent pillow.
stevenaia Michinaga: forget the benches, can you leave the pillow pillows here Rowan, or are they a part of you?
Rowan Masala: I can leave them, although I don't know if the other guardians would be happy with that
Claire Beltran: Mine at least is very comfy <3
Corvuscorva Nightfire: lounging!
stevenaia Michinaga: most won;t see them, unless they fly in
Rowan Masala: I could try to make them blend in with the texture of the pavilion
Corvuscorva Nightfire: keep them comfy!
stevenaia Michinaga: no, they are fine
stevenaia Michinaga: but they do protrude below the roof
Adelene Dawner: They look good to me... we just need a couple with lion anims now.
Adelene Dawner: ^.^
Rowan Masala smiles


stevenaia Michinaga: and Ade, about those crows...
Threedee Shepherd: ok enough playing, how about Being?
Adelene Dawner chuckles, one minute.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Being
Corvuscorva Nightfire: being
Claire Beltran: brb, got something on the stove.
stevenaia Michinaga: as I was saying earlier, the range of the recorder is the upper roof, being up there turns it on and off and onn and off, so we can't use the upper level and be recorded, not that it works yet anyway
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: thinks...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I bet it can be turned up!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmmmm
Adelene Dawner: /ao off
stevenaia Michinaga:  ... so perhaps we can discuss how our altered placement in reality here affects our sence of being, has anyone read Pema's and Stim's conversational log from the other day
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Adelene Dawner laughs - this looks silly. ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: I was there.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: there and read it...stil don't get bits of it.
Corvuscorva Nightfire likes Adelene Lion on the pillow.....
stevenaia Michinaga: part of the discussion that struck me was the part regarding "path"
Threedee Shepherd: I think the conclusion was that time and space are aspects of the same being, and exist all at once, everywhere, timelessly, encompassing all of us and being all of us and I must say, I feel "lost in space"
Corvuscorva Nightfire thwaps with pillow, idly.
stevenaia Michinaga: I don't preceive being as a journey in life so much as letting it in or being more sensitive to the aspects of Being over time, which could be looked at as a journey, I suppose
 

Someone new approached but does not stay for long to ask if they have permission to be logged..

Corvuscorva Nightfire: cenelind.....
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya...been here before?
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome Cenelind
 

Sylectra Darwin Arrives to the upper roofs and jumps off

Rowan Masala: Hi Syl :)
Sylectra Darwin: wassup friends?
stevenaia Michinaga: sylvie, we are down one roof
Rowan Masala: have a cushion
Threedee Shepherd: Hi Syl, you can take the high road (I mean roof) if you want to
stevenaia Michinaga: plenty of pillows
Sylectra Darwin: hmmm, how do you get up there
stevenaia Michinaga: fly, dear
Threedee Shepherd: as might have been said in the 1970s, this is all a trip :D

PaB Listener Master: Removing "Cenelind Magic" from list.

Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...glad to see you, Syl!
Adelene Dawner gets it, but will have to listen to you guys some more before she can explain it coherently.
Sylectra Darwin: yikes, sorry guys. terrible entry!
Claire Beltran: back ^-^.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nawwwww
stevenaia Michinaga: aww, the crow is with us
Corvuscorva Nightfire: glad you're here...and glad Claire is back.
Claire Beltran: Heehee
 

As we load up the roof with more people, the building begins to vibrate and sway. 

stevenaia Michinaga: We might be causing the structure to collapse, is that possible if we overload it? I see it wavering
Corvuscorva Nightfire: mm
Sylectra Darwin: So what's the topic today?
Sylectra Darwin: I see that too Steven!
Threedee Shepherd: no problem, it's not marked as physical
Rowan Masala: you're the architect, Steven
stevenaia Michinaga: I brought us something Stim and Pema mentioned in their discussion
Rowan Masala: you should know
stevenaia Michinaga: well, the roof is thin and we are all on one side, I hope Storm considered that
Threedee Shepherd: Steve, say a bit more about your thoughts
Sylectra Darwin: oh cool, like Pema mentioned in the e-mail about having some discussion before general discussion?

Corvuscorva Nightfire:

[19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: ... so perhaps we can discuss how our altered placement in reality here affects our sence of being, has anyone read :Pema's and Stim's conversational log from the other day?
[19:16] stevenaia Michinaga: part of the discussion that struck me was the part regarding "path"
[19:17] Threedee Shepherd: I think the conclusion was that time and space are aspects of the same being, and exist all at once, everywhere, timelessly, encompassing all of us and being all of us and I must say, I feel "lost in space"
[19:19] stevenaia Michinaga: I don't preceive being as a journey in life so much as letting it in or being more sensitive to the aspects of Being over time, which could be looked at as a journey, I suppose

Sylectra Darwin: lol 3D
stevenaia Michinaga: I go back to Pema's sketch in Princeton which shows the "mode" to "getting to" Being is to traverse a path , be it a personal journey or understanding through life's experience
Sylectra Darwin: I thought that diagram was very helpful.
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but I viewed it as a stationary moment of perception and acceptance
 

ThreeDee and I are discussing a hypothetical structural question that spills over into the groups conversations due to me typing in the wrong window, the conversation take a momentary turn to "PLAY".  we do recover for a moment... later

stevenaia Michinaga: in sl as high as up is
stevenaia Michinaga: and as thin as needed
stevenaia Michinaga: oops, wrong window

Sylectra Darwin: that always perks me up when someone says "wrong window" - hehe
Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
Sylectra Darwin: Well it sounds like it was an interesting discussion.
Sylectra Darwin: Well it sounds like it was an interesting discussion.
Threedee Shepherd: Well, the discussion could have been an answer to the question "How high is up?" and it would fit in here perfectly :D
stevenaia Michinaga: well yes, I think it relates to the possible demise of this pavilion, oh nothing important...yet
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs at the intrigue...foreshadowing....

Pillow (fighter): releasing controls

Threedee Shepherd: four-shadowing = spotlights from N, S, E and W
Corvuscorva Nightfire whacks!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Three DEE!!!!
Adelene Dawner: Thank you, Corvi. ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire rolls her eyes and lies back on the pillow....laughing.
Sylectra Darwin: I like that.
Threedee Shepherd: I may not get the Being part, but I do grok the Play part ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: nice pillow Corvi
Corvuscorva Nightfire snorts...yeah..you get that for shore.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Thanks...Rowan gave it to me.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Apparantly she thought I needed it here beside Three.
stevenaia Michinaga: where is Geo when we need him to ground us?
Corvuscorva Nightfire carefully keeps it from Adelene who is known to shred pillows.
Adelene Dawner: awww... ^.^
Threedee Shepherd: If we are grounded, all of the electricity will "leak out". More fun this way.
stevenaia Michinaga: some have silly conversations from normal places, I prefer normal conversations from silly places... and that approach doesn;t seem to be working tonight
Adelene Dawner surreptitiously begins to shred the end of Corvi's scarf.
 

focus takes hold... on to "Time" and things get interesting

Threedee Shepherd: OK, I can understand multiple forms of time, but a form in which there is no change seems to me to not be time
Sylectra Darwin: Wow, Corvi, I just saw your outfit - great look!
stevenaia Michinaga: I think that is the point, when it becomes not time because it is the moment
Sylectra Darwin: Three, or it could just be a moment in time such that time ws removed as a factor.
Sylectra Darwin: Three, or it could just be a moment in time such that time ws removed as a factor.
Threedee Shepherd: if really not time, it is always the SAME moment.
Corvuscorva Nightfire finally notices her scarf is getting pulled....whacks Adelene.
Adelene Dawner: aooow! ^.^
Corvuscorva Nightfire scritces Ade's head.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: and hands her the pillow.
Adelene Dawner rests her head on the pillow.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Three..I don't understand the no change part.
stevenaia Michinaga: but couldn't frozen time exist at all points on the timeline, from another perspective outside your frame of reference?
stevenaia Michinaga: after all you exist at each of those point-moments
Threedee Shepherd: Now is always ending, and beginning, but it is not the same NOW
Corvuscorva Nightfire: k
Adelene Dawner: I think of it like reading a book... you read one page at a time, but the pages all exist before and after you read them. The difference is, we only get to read life once.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: if it's a line that's true...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but what if it's all a bubble...with all the nows on it.
Threedee Shepherd: I do not *believe* tomorrow's pages have been written yet. (Free Will and all that)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: we travel linearly across infinite nows.
Corvuscorva Nightfire visualizes a way that this could all be true.
Threedee Shepherd: yes, Corvi, that is one possibility, although I don't know "what to do with it"
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
Adelene Dawner: More like a choose your own adventure book, in that sense, Three. We have some choices, but they are limited, we can't do just anything. I'm not going to be able to fly when I wake up tomorrow morning.
stevenaia Michinaga: that's how I see it Covi, we only have now... and our sence of the the past nows
Corvuscorva Nightfire: me neither...I was just picturing.
Threedee Shepherd: time relatres to motion. If everything was absolutely frozen, there would be no time
stevenaia Michinaga: So Being sees the linear time, we experience the now
Corvuscorva Nightfire: in my picture...we move...each now has other nows adjacent.
Adelene Dawner: Sounds right to me, Corvi.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: move...wherever we like....adjacent.
Threedee Shepherd: so, infinite new nows, but only one "THEN"???
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..I guess?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmmm
Adelene Dawner: infinite nows, but you only get to look at one at a time.
Threedee Shepherd: then how do you know there IS more than one?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: the others are there...but not travelled across.
Sylectra Darwin: t perhaps there might be infinite thens as well.
Corvuscorva Nightfire keeps on picturing...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: clearly you don't!
Adelene Dawner: And don't let your memories fool you... the brainbits that provide those are in 'now', too...
stevenaia Michinaga: infinite thens, just on one "line"
Adelene Dawner: yes, there could be only one, Three.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: otherwise we wouldn't be here guessing about it.
stevenaia Michinaga: all this makes reality seem like a mere point-moment when seen from Being's perspective
Threedee Shepherd: I *do* consider this a bit metaphorically in the sense that being is, and meaning is then assigned to it, breaking it into conceptual time and space, which is often misleading. But, I stick with the metaphor because atomic decay half-lives are VERY predictable.
Threedee Shepherd: I stick with it AS metaphor, I meant to say
Adelene Dawner grins at Three, ever the scientist.
Threedee Shepherd: pragmatism is even "older" than science
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I wonder if time does the same?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: matter breaks down to not a thing when you look at it too close.
Threedee Shepherd: Remember the first premise of PaB, about accepting scientific evidence, such as it is?
Threedee Shepherd: Time is not a thing, just like gravity is not a thing
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...I mean the metaphor of matter becomes meaningless when gazed at too closely.
Threedee Shepherd: Unless that is you go to 14-dimensional string theory, which seems like multidimensional pasta to me.

The conversation slowly unravels with some multi-layered metaphors ... the night draws late 

Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to that!
Claire Beltran: Multidimensional pasta?
stevenaia Michinaga: now there's a tasty metaphor
Threedee Shepherd: I understand string theory in more than 4 dimensions about as well as I would a bown of cooked pasta ween from the fifth dimension ;D
Threedee Shepherd: *when
stevenaia Michinaga: wonders how you eat that .... metaphorically
Threedee Shepherd: So, in multidimensional time (and space) could you have your cake and eat it too?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: multidemensional rumination.
Rowan Masala: well, Bush had his yellowcake and ate it too
Corvuscorva Nightfire: requires more than one stomach
stevenaia Michinaga: hahaha.....since dessert will not be served tonight I move we close the log for the evening
Threedee Shepherd: hey, I'm a lion not a bovine!
Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
Adelene Dawner chuckles.
stevenaia Michinaga: or shall we continue to digress
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I gotta go to bed
Corvuscorva Nightfire: had a wonderful but late night last night.
Threedee Shepherd: if one can digress, can one "gress"?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: g'night, all!
Threedee Shepherd: nite
stevenaia Michinaga: appearently
Rowan Masala: night
Corvuscorva Nightfire swishes Three with the pillow as she leaves...then tosses it to Adelene.
Sylectra Darwin: There's a good description of string theory in October Scientific American.
Rowan Masala: and regress, and progress
Threedee Shepherd: a-gress-ively, in fact
Rowan Masala: must be possible to gress
Adelene Dawner grabs the pillow and shreds it. ^.^
stevenaia Michinaga: that counts as research question for tomarrow, Rowan
Rowan Masala: kk
Sylectra Darwin: you guys are so clever tonight, I am no match for you with my tired eyes.
stevenaia Michinaga: always a pleasure, but never counted on it being this entertaining
Threedee Shepherd: and as the song goes, you know I can't hide my lion eyes
Rowan Masala: does that mean that a tigress gresses particularly well?
Adelene Dawner groans. "I'm outa here."
Threedee Shepherd: good ? Rowan
stevenaia Michinaga: they are lions
Rowan Masala: I'm not asking about Ade and 3. I'm asking about tigresses
Threedee Shepherd: Now, imagine a serious session at the UN, conducted in this manner? there would be so much laughter and confusion, no onw would have time for war.
Threedee Shepherd: *one
Rowan Masala: yes!!
Rowan Masala: goodnight, all
stevenaia Michinaga: night, thanks
Threedee Shepherd: so perhaps another night we can discuss whether there is a difference between "serious play" and "non-serious play"?
Sylectra Darwin: night!
stevenaia Michinaga: someone wake up Sylectra
Sylectra Darwin: sorry
Claire Beltran: I was having fun listening to you Threedee.