2008.11.06 13:00 - "You've never lived until you've almost died"

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    The guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are Storm's.

    I was tinkering with the new pavilion build. And Fael was experimenting with water effects.

    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Adams
    Fael Illyar: Hi Storm, Adams :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Hi Fael :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Fael
    Storm Nordwind: Just experimenting :)
    Adams Dubrovna: ah
    Storm Nordwind: I have busy all week so have not had a chance to be here
    Adams Dubrovna has been here a fair number of times
    Storm Nordwind wonders what Fael is doing
    Adams Dubrovna: maybe fishing?
    Fael Illyar just had an idea of how to perhaps make more realistic looking water and is trying it out.
    Storm Nordwind sometimes wonders what realistic really is :)
    Fael Illyar: well, it can be many things :)
    Fael Illyar: well, I wonder if this is any better :)
    Storm Nordwind: Different rather than better
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting
    Storm Nordwind: Reminds me of the counter flowing waters I have in a waterfall somewhere
    Fael Illyar: could perhaps work better with 3 different ones :)
    Storm Nordwind: Shame about the seam
    Fael Illyar: well, these are the only textures I have handy :)
    Storm Nordwind nods

    I mentioned the strange effect of avatars gradually disappearing through the floor.

    Storm Nordwind: By the way, I found that the "sinking feeling" is nothing to do with the build here
    Fael Illyar: sinking feeling?
    Storm Nordwind: people gradually sinking into the floor
    Fael Illyar: I've had that happen in the old pavilion as well.
    Storm Nordwind: Me too
    Storm Nordwind: But I've now had that happen on the grass beyond the pavilion
    Storm Nordwind: Which points to LL physics or a viewer bug
    Adams Dubrovna: or quicksand
    Storm Nordwind smiles at that insight!
    Adams Dubrovna: or witchcraft
    Adams Dubrovna knows his medieval science
    Storm Nordwind: Or any kind of normal magic
    Storm Nordwind knows his modern magic too
    Adams Dubrovna ducks
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Adams Dubrovna: real life is calling me. I have to go. Bye :)
    Storm Nordwind: Oh!
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now

    All this talk of magic and Adams leaves. And I'm sure I have not knowingly turned anyone into a frog. At least not during a Play as Being session.

    Storm Nordwind looks around and considers all the suggestions for the place
    Fael Illyar: and I'm half AFK as well :)
    Fael Illyar: just got home and tackling a mountain of email
    Storm Nordwind: No problem. I don't mind a low workload this evening! :)
    Storm Nordwind is trying to remember all the dimensions of the place... but it's been so long since he built it

    A visitor arrived and we were quickly and enthusiastically engaged in conversation. We talked about a little about the uses and advantages of Second Life.

    Storm Nordwind: Hello Miguelito
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Hello Storm
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Hello Fael
    Storm Nordwind: have you been here before?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I think I tripped through here yesterday. Certainly looks familiar
    Storm Nordwind: We have regular meetings here, every 6 hours, but there are not many people here at the moment!
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I understood. Lagtime kind of messes things up a bit
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: What kind of meetings?
    Storm Nordwind: Did you pick up a notecard when you were here last time?
    Fael Illyar is just half here.
    Fael Illyar: Hello Miguelito
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I think so. how do you check?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa accepted your inventory offer.
    Storm Nordwind: It will be the same as the one i just gave you! ;)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I found it also...thanks. Yep, I was here. So is 1 or both of you with Kira?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: I am part of Kira and we are both part of the Play as Being project
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Kool, so this is to talk about (for lack of better words) the 'psychology' of SL?
    Storm Nordwind: hmm...
    Fael Illyar: more like exploration of the mind.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Fael Illyar: not strictly SL related.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I like that idea.
    Storm Nordwind: SL is just a medium for communicating between us
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: In speaking about SL I see the opportunity for people to live out what they may not be able to.
    Storm Nordwind: That is certainly a use for SL
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: While you're not conducting 'therapy' per se, it opens doors if used judiciously
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Not just that, but I can see this being a total blast on the personal level
    Storm Nordwind: It can open doors, but that is not the purpose of this group
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I'm looking at the possibility of corp mtgs and training.
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. I do the same.
    Fael Illyar has found SL therapeutic in many ways, even though there's been nothing that was supposed to be that.
    Storm Nordwind: But that is only part of my work here
    Fael Illyar: helps open your eyes to many things.
    Storm Nordwind nods at Fael
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I can see that. I wandered through a Zen garden earlier. Much like that, one can find this therapeutic.
    Storm Nordwind: I have a large terraced garden just near here too
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I've tried to explain this to others at work. It's hard for them to 'see'the potential
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... and that is why corp mtgs often do not catch on... unless it grows from within SL itself
    Fael Illyar: SL is something you have to experience to understand.
    Storm Nordwind: Imposing from outside rarely works
    Fael Illyar: it's our low tech "The Matrix" :P
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Agreed. I prefer that others 'self discover'things like this. They can then gain a better understanding and acceptance
    Storm Nordwind nods in agreement
    Fael Illyar: yes, one can only wait.
    Storm Nordwind: By the way, may I quote your words and include your name on our website in the chat log of this meeting?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: There is a book called the 'The Thinkers Tool Kit'that discusses various problem solving methods
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: It also goes briefly into how people think and process info. Gave me a much better grasp on why some people dont 'get it'.
    Storm Nordwind: Many people are barely aware of the so-called real world. It is a lot to expect that that sort of person will alslo 'get' this! :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Very true
    Storm Nordwind: Just checking, in case you missed my question MiguelitoM4: may I quote your words and include your name on our website in the chat log of this meeting?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Sure
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: A friend of mine was recently injured, rather nasty deal. He told me how he appreciated things a bit more.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I told him few people truly understand the saying 'you've never lived until you've almost died'.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Storm Nordwind: Or in the words of the 60s song "You don't know what you've got till it's gone"
    Storm Nordwind recalls that was actually 1970
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: You're either well versed or telling on yourself :)
    Storm Nordwind: I saw her sing it :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I only heard it on the record player and radio (AM)
    Storm Nordwind: MiguelitoM4, may I ask what time zone you are in?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Central
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Or Romeo (I think)
    Storm Nordwind: Central EU or central US? :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Central US
    Storm Nordwind: I see.
    Storm Nordwind: Well there are often more people here in the evening your time
    Storm Nordwind: That would be 9pm
    Storm Nordwind: For Fael and me, we are in Europe, and we either get Europeans here at this time or Americans that work at odder hours than most! :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I'm tied to a computer at times. Work, home, coffee shop.
    Storm Nordwind: I know someone who runs a coffee shop and visits here!
    Storm Nordwind: So you are interested in exploring the mind?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: So how are people in your part of EU taking the election of Barak Obama?
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Pema.
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I tire of news
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Hello Pma
    Pema Pera: Hi Storm, Miguel, Fael!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
    Storm Nordwind: Well MiguelitoM4, we are loving it although... I have to say... we usually steer clear of that subject in these groups! :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: No worries.

    At this point my screen went blank. My laptop had switched itself off. :-O I checked everything and all seemed OK. It had never happened before. Somewhere in the finer and deeper recesses of Being there was perhaps a reason! :) Pema very kindly continued logging for me after he saw the tell-tale swirl of sparks from my missing avatar.

    Fael Illyar: but I did see an interesting picture yesterday. It had the states listed by the average IQ and who the state ended up voting for as a whole.
    Pema Pera: hehe, that must have been a joke, right?
    Fael Illyar: could be :)
    Fael Illyar: didn't bother to check the sources the picture cited
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Amazing how much can be learned from studying habits
    Pema Pera: today in the New York Times there was a very telling map which showed that something like 80% of the "surface area" of the US voted Republican . . . .
    Pema Pera: showing that people in densely populated areas vote predominantly Democratic
    Pema Pera: quite amazing to see
    Pema Pera loves statistics
    Fael Illyar: :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I do too. When they're in my favor!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: btw, Miguel, nice to meet you -- is this your first time here?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: My pleasure. Yes it it. I'm sure I'll be here more frequently
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that! May I ask what other kind of places and activities in SL you have explored so far?

    I re-emerged into Second Life, none the wiser for the cause of my demise but recalling our visitor's comment "you've never lived until you've almost died" with a certain irony!

    Fael Illyar: wb Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you. My entire machine crashed
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: This is day two here. I'm new and learning.
    Pema Pera: wow! Welcome to SL then, in addition to welcome to PaB
    Fael Illyar: oh right, Pema is also part of Kira :)
    Pema Pera: Actually, I'll hop over to the Kira Cafe
    Pema Pera: Feel free to come along, Miguel: we're gathering there, whoever wants, every day at 2 pm
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: Thanks. Pema, as an astrophysicist do you look at this from a philosophical view?
    Pema Pera: (we call it happy hour)
    Storm Nordwind: Well worth a visit :)
    Storm Nordwind: And it's only a short walk from here - and a ride!
    Pema Pera: ah, yes, why don't you take the ride! I'll hop over to see whether anyone is waiting there. See you in five minutes, I guess!
    Storm Nordwind: Sure
    Storm Nordwind: Want to come Miguelito?
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I'll be there.
    Storm Nordwind: I'm going to walk and then take a balloon ride
    Storm Nordwind: There's room for two! :)
    MiguelitoM4 Quintessa: I'll port over. Have to take a call.\
    Storm Nordwind: k
    Fael Illyar: I guess I'll join you for the ride, Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Fine. :)

    We talked off to take the balloon ride to the Kira Cafe.

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