Page last modified 11:57, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

This night at 1 am SLT I, Pema, arrived at the new pavilion. As soon as I had sat down, both Fael and Lia arrived. It was Lia's first visit.

Pema Pera: Hi Lia!

Lia Rikugun: Hi Pema

Pema Pera: This is the place where we meet for Play as Being

Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/

Pema Pera: Hi Fael!

Fael Illyar: Hi Pema, Lia :)

Lia Rikugun: hello

Pema Pera: Lia, I mentioned PaB, Play as Being

Pema Pera: but I think you haven't been here before, is that right?

Lia Rikugun: no i havent

Lia Rikugun: what do you usually talk about?

Lia Rikugun: everything

Lia Rikugun: :)

Fael Illyar: yes, the topics tend to range about a lot.

Lia Rikugun: so tell me a little bit

Pema Pera: did you get a chance to look at the web site http://playasbeing.wik.is/ at some point, earlier?

Lia Rikugun: yes i did

Lia Rikugun: but weeks ago

Lia Rikugun: :(

Pema Pera: so you've seen the basic idea . . . stop 9 seconds every 15 minutes, to drop what you have in order to see more of what you are?

Lia Rikugun: yes i know and its terrible i did this for a week

Lia Rikugun: but somehow i didnt continue

Lia Rikugun: and i want to

Pema Pera: ah, a week is quite a while already!

Lia Rikugun: but i always think: oh no, this is more important right now

Pema Pera: sure, you can pick it up today, only takes a minute, every few hours :-)

Lia Rikugun: but i realized that i had a lot of thoughts

Lia Rikugun: during that time

Lia Rikugun: new ideas

Lia Rikugun: about life

Lia Rikugun: i need to continue

Lia Rikugun: :)

Pema Pera: it may be interesting to make a few notes, like a few words each time you stop for 9 seconds; as in a laboratory journal

Lia Rikugun: after this meeting :) directly

Pema Pera: sure, looking forward to see what will happen :)

Lia Rikugun: actually i must say that i liked it more speding a longer time

Pema Pera: that's possible too, of course!

Pema Pera: Hi Wol!

Lia Rikugun: because i had the possibilty to continue a thought in more depth

Fael Illyar: Hi Wol :)

Lia Rikugun: hello

Wol joined us.

Wol Euler: morning everyone!

Pema Pera: Wol, meet Lia, who is here for the first time

Play As Being Bell will ring next in 7 minutes 9 seconds.

Lia Rikugun: or evening

Wol Euler: hello lia, first time here?

Wol Euler: ah :)

Lia Rikugun: exactly

Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you

Pema Pera: Lia is in Tokyo

Wol Euler: likewise :) welcome

Pema Pera: Aber Lia is Deutsch, von Aachen

Wol Euler: ach was!

Wol Euler: wie kommt das denn?

Lia Rikugun: tatsaechlich

Lia Rikugun: :P

Wol Euler: (sorry Fael)

Lia Rikugun: we cntinue in english

Lia Rikugun: and if i dont know the english word

Lia Rikugun: i know you can translate

Lia Rikugun: wnderful

Wol Euler: sure :)

Pema Pera: oh, Lia, did I tell you about the German evening tomorrow morning at 6:30 am for you -- may be too early? -- in the Kira Cafe?

Lia Rikugun: no

Fael Illyar: ah, Lia is Japanese?

Lia Rikugun: who is meeting there?

Lia Rikugun: nono german

Pema Pera: anyone who likes to talk German

Wol Euler: well, possibly just you, me and Pema :)

Wol Euler: but it is open

Lia Rikugun: hehe

Pema Pera: real Germans like you, Lia

Pema Pera: and Germanesque people like Wol and me

Wol Euler chuckles

Fael Illyar: Ah...

Fael Illyar needs to concentrate on what is being said :)

Pema Pera: Fael here is from Finland

Pema Pera: but is quite fluent in Japanese!

Lia Rikugun: nice, i visited finland with my father

Lia Rikugun: and my brther

Lia Rikugun: it was wonderful

Pema Pera: so we have pretty good language covering between the four of us

Lia Rikugun: all these beautiful lakes

Back to the 9-sec explorations.

Lia Rikugun: well i am curious

Lia Rikugun: how easy is it for you to take time every 15 minutes

Fael Illyar: well, for me the idea is roughly that pretty much nothing should be so important that you can't take a 9 second break from it :)

Lia Rikugun: for me its fine

Lia Rikugun: yes fael you are right

Lia Rikugun: basically it should be more important to take time and tink

Lia Rikugun: think

Fael Illyar added the PaB bell here by the way

Fael Illyar: it should ring in one minute

Pema Pera: looking forward to it!

Lia Rikugun: what is happening then?

Fael Illyar: a bell sound :)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: just in time!

Wol Euler: that is the 15 minute reminder to do a 9-second meditation

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: AHH

Lia Rikugun: very good

Wol Euler: .... and it sounds nice too.

Pema Pera: and the lingering of the lingering sounds lingers for around 9 seconds . . .:)

Wol Euler: I sometimes just sit here when working and listen to hte birds and the chime

Lia Rikugun: it is very relaxing

Fael Illyar: yes, the background sounds are nice here :)

Lia Rikugun: (but the fan of my computer is a little loud... :))

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: (like traffic sounds in RL, just tune it out)

Back to a popular topic: auto-logging.

Pema Pera: btw, Wol and Fael, now that you're both here, what is the story about autologging, are we almost there yet?

Pema Pera remembering hearing in mid summer that it would take a few days :-)

Wol Euler: we are at the last stage, posting automatically to hte wiki.

Pema Pera: ah, great!

Fael Illyar started slacking off after hitting another wall with calling Deki API.

Wol Euler looks at Fael for confirmation.

Fael Illyar: the few days was for what we already have... less than that actually.

Pema Pera: yes, of course, I realize that it turned out to be more complex than anticipated

Pema Pera: so the only remaining thing is the actual copying onto the wiki?

Pema Pera: and you need to get the Deki folks to respond now?

Wol Euler: yes, that is the last step.

Fael Illyar: pretty much, it looks as if the recorder works now.

Fael Illyar: well, might be nice to remove the numbers from above our heads :)

Fael Illyar: they're no longer needed I hope :)

Wol Euler: sure, and the debugging messages out of the script too. But those are one-liners.

Pema Pera: so what is still needed?

Pema Pera: what's the missing step?

Fael Illyar: moving the data to wiki. I know how to do all the rest but still missing how to send the actual page contents when creating a page in there.

Wol Euler: have you asked in the Deki user forum?

Pema Pera: and for that you need to contact the wiki folks?

Fael Illyar: that seems to be nonstandard ... PHP doesn't seem to do it by default

Pema Pera: ah!

Fael Illyar: well, I could look at this Visual Basic script that someone made public in hopes it might have something that could be applied.

Pema Pera: that would be great!

Pema Pera: any way we could get it to work would be very welcome

Wol Euler: agreed

Fael Illyar: I really need to start keeping a tasklist... too many things on queue to remember them al.

Wol Euler: heh, yes. me too.

Pema Pera: as you know, I spent a lot of time last week on getting logs that were two or three weeks old and not yet on the wiki . . . .

Pema Pera knows the feeling . . . . .

Pema Pera: . . . . of a long to-do list

Lia Rikugun: :)

Pema Pera: Thanks, Fael!

Pema Pera: And sorry for the shop talk, Lia

Wol Euler: oh, you should have said. We have all logs since about a month in the database, if you tell me which ones are missing I can recreate them.

Lia Rikugun: no problem

And back again to the 9-sec.

Pema Pera: btw, Lia

Pema Pera: you talked about "thinking" during the 9 seconds

Pema Pera: but in fact, the most important thing is to stop

Pema Pera: and drop

Pema Pera: as much as you can

Pema Pera: (without forcing)

Lia Rikugun: i understand

Lia Rikugun: i want to do both

Wol Euler: :)

Lia Rikugun: not at the same time

Lia Rikugun: of course

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: but maybe go into both extremes

Fael Illyar: dropping things allows thoughts, other than what were going on in your head some room too.

Lia Rikugun: ok

Lia Rikugun: thats true

Fael Illyar: but that's just fine afterwards too

Pema Pera: yes, it's a gentle balance

Pema Pera: which will come with time, naturally

Lia Rikugun: i think for me it will be difficult to drop off everything right now

Lia Rikugun: but with a little pratcice

Lia Rikugun: maybe

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: don't be too attached to the idea that it _must_ happen exactly every 15 minutes and that it _must_ be 9 seconds long

Wol Euler: let it happen as is natural.

Fael Illyar: well, at least for me, it took many missteps on how to do those but even with doing them a bit wrong, they were helpful for me

Pema Pera: yes, it's like research, really

Lia Rikugun: how long are you doing it fael?

Fael Illyar: since end of May

Lia Rikugun: ok

Lia Rikugun: i am wondering what changed

Lia Rikugun: for you

Fael Illyar: who knows, maybe I'll still find I'm doing them wrong somehow :)

Fael Illyar: a lot ... where to begin :)

Wol Euler remembers the story of the priest, the rowboat and the old man...

But the story didn't come out . . . now I'm very curious! Next time?

Fael Illyar: I used to be rather anxious when I was around people in RL.

Fael Illyar: That's now gone, completely.

Lia Rikugun: wow

Fael Illyar: unknown people that is

Wol Euler smiles

Lia Rikugun: :)

Lia Rikugun: there it was

Fael Illyar: not anxious enough to make me avoid it completely but still...

Lia Rikugun: this is great

Fael Illyar: Hello Key :)

Pema Pera: Hi Key!

Lia Rikugun: hello key

Pema Pera: come join us if you like

Wol Euler nods. It is a good practice and a nice group too. The discussions are very warm and also fascinating

Fael Illyar: oh, sinking in the ground effect again

Lia Rikugun: oh key si sinking

Wol Euler: ah, you found the quicksand spot.

Wol Euler: it's not a trick, don't worry, we can't figure out why it happens.

Lia Rikugun: flying?

Wol Euler: sit on a cushion

Key Tisch: whats happning

Pema Pera: if you sit on a cushion, it should be okay

Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit", key

Wol Euler: there

Key Tisch: hi

Key had entered, and had found a seat to sit down.

Wol Euler: there is a problem with the floor here, for some reason. some -- not all -- avs fall through it.

Pema Pera: welcome!

Lia Rikugun: hello

Fael Illyar: I started being able to be noticeably less anxious after just one week.

Lia Rikugun: what a dramatic +auftritt+

Lia Rikugun: how do you say

Pema Pera: We get together here a few times a day, whoever likes to come

Wol Euler: (appearance or arrival)

Wol Euler: entry!

Pema Pera: we're with a group of about fifty or so people, chatting about the nature of reality and whatever else we like to talk about, Key

Lia Rikugun: this is really wonderful

Key Tisch: is this a group?

Lia Rikugun: my brother has problems like this

Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/ is our wiki

Pema Pera: yes, but a very loose group

Lia Rikugun: maybe i should tell him to do the same thing

Pema Pera: anyone is welcome to join in

Fael Illyar: Just make sure to not try to force him.

Lia Rikugun: yes i know

Wol Euler: perhaps suggest it to him, Lia. Is he in SL?

Lia Rikugun: nono

Wol Euler: (well, he could do the 9 seconds without joining SL...)

Lia Rikugun: i will definitely tell him

Wol Euler: key, we record these meetings for our website. May we include your name and comments in the log?

Key Tisch: ok sure

Wol Euler: ty

Pema Pera: Key, Lia is from Germany but now in Tokyo, I'm from Holland, but now in New York, Fael's in Helsinki and is Finnish, Wol is Canadian but now in Germany :-)

Pema Pera: a motley crew

Lia Rikugun: nice croud

Fael Illyar: however if you hold a goal while doing these, it's unlikely to work too well.

Wol Euler: typical SL really ...

Pema Pera: :)

Lia Rikugun: key where do you come from

Key Tisch: ok i am from Alaska

Wol Euler: wow.

Pema Pera: ah, still evening there?

Lia Rikugun: how is the weather there now?

Key Tisch: yes 1;00 am

Wol Euler: I would have thought that it would be pitch-black at 4pm by now there?

Key Tisch: got our first smow

The talk turned to sunshine and sleep, and lack of either one.

Wol Euler: don't you have periods of almost no sun at all in midwinter?

Key Tisch: yes and in the summer 24 hours of sun too

Lia Rikugun: wow

Lia Rikugun: this must be great

Pema Pera: like Finland, I guess!

Key Tisch: never sleep then

Lia Rikugun: i want to visit

Lia Rikugun: sleeping in winter

Key Tisch: yes

Wol Euler sighs. If only one could "stockpile" sleep like that...

Key Tisch: winter is rest

Pema Pera: (^_^)

Key Tisch: aw i do

Key Tisch: nnever sleep in the summer

Key Tisch: 5 hours a day

Lia Rikugun: puh, couldnt

Key Tisch: winter 9

Wol Euler: aaah

Pema Pera: interesting to lead different lives that way!

Fael Illyar: umm... it's sleeping even if it's just 5 hours :)

Lia Rikugun: maybe your body can adapt depending on the environment

Key Tisch: you can sleep the sun is so strong at times

Key Tisch: you fill it

Fael Illyar: haven't heard of anyone like that in Finland though and I certainly don't do it myself that way.

Fael Illyar: not even when I still lived in northern parts where there is midnight sun

Wol Euler: I was in St.Petersburg in mid-June a few years ago, it was quite astonishing to see that the sky really didn't get dark at night. And how people continued their "day" all nigt

Wol Euler: the shops stayed open, the streets were full of people walking about at 3 am

Pema Pera: (here in New York too :-)

Lia Rikugun: without teh sunlight

Wol Euler: I was about to say that! heheheh

Lia Rikugun: :P

Pema Pera: (but then we do tend to sleep in the morning!)

Wol Euler: I really noticed that the sun doesnt "rise" in the far north, it rolls _around_ you like an egg on the edge of a plate

Wol Euler: staying low in the sky

Key Tisch: yep

Pema Pera: nice image!

Pema Pera sees a poem coming up . . . Wol?

Key Tisch: try driving

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Key Tisch: its allways in your eyes

Pema Pera: !

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Key Tisch: what do you do for fun here?

A question with many possible answers . . .

Wol Euler: what is this "fun" of which you speak?

Wol Euler chuckles.

Key Tisch: hehehe

Fael Illyar: In SL, your imagination is your limit.

Fael Illyar: well, almost :)

Wol Euler: building, scripting, dancing (!), but mostly just talking...

Fael Illyar: but around here it's a bit more tame than that :)

Pema Pera: and in our group our "fun" is to drop what we have to see more of what we are

Pema Pera: (if that makes any sense)

Fael Illyar: ... well, not sure if calling it tame is the right expression :)

Pema Pera: we like to take 9 seconds every fifteen minutes to stop what we're doing

Wol Euler gave you onigokko.

Wol Euler: wear them :)

Fael Illyar: it can do interesting things sometimes :)

Key Tisch: what was that

Wol Euler: like when somebody says the magic word...

Wol Euler: onigokko

Lia Rikugun: HAHA

Fael Illyar: ah, I was too slow :)

Key Tisch: wow

Key Tisch: hehehe

Fael Illyar: stop

Wol Euler: aaaah, fael, always wear your onigokko!

Fael Illyar: onigokko

Lia Rikugun: A

Lia Rikugun: HAHAHA

Key Tisch: i am a bit dizy hehehe

Wol Euler: stop

Lia Rikugun: yes me too

Wol Euler giggles

Pema Pera: hehehe

Pema Pera: well, you asked for it, Key!

Pema Pera: asking what we do here

The good old onigokko dance . . . hard to convey, dear reader, unless you've seen and felt it . . .

Key Tisch: wow let me catch my head

Key Tisch: you look so tame

Wol Euler: lol

Key Tisch: hehehe

Pema Pera: looks decieve . . .

Wol Euler: looks in SL are particularly ... peculiart.

Pema Pera: wait till you see our pillow fight!

Key Tisch: ok

Wol Euler: we have two lions and a werewolf who come regularly to sessions

Wol Euler: and a yellow teddybear.

Wol Euler: people find a visual identity here, perhaps it's a different part of them that they don't access in RL?

Wol Euler: (phone)

Pema Pera: but coming back to what we do it -- we like to stop what we do a few times an hour in RL, to look around and see more of reality, for just a few seconds each, like a kind of micro-meditation -- and then we talk about our experiences here in SL, very informally; we come together here four times a day, starting at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm SLT

Pema Pera: you're welcome to drop by, any time you like

Key Tisch gave you Spanker.

Pema Pera: so how do we spank, Key?

Key Tisch: well it did work one sec

Pema Pera: !

Wol spanked Key's ass

Wol Euler: there! I think you need to be standing

Wol spanked Wol's ass

Wol spanked Pema's ass

Wol spanked Lia's ass

Wol Euler: works jus' fine!

Pema Pera: spank Key

Pema Pera: /spank Key

Lia Rikugun: how?

Wol Euler: left click on the butt :)

Pema Pera: ?

Pema Pera: !

Fael spanked Wol's ass

Wol spanked Fael's ass

Fael Illyar: oh, it works :)

Key Tisch: how do you get it i lost mine

Wol Euler: oh you're sinking again..,

Fael spanked Fael's ass

Wol Euler: it should be in your inventory folder still, key.

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: well, folks, I'll go get a bit more sleep, I think

Key Tisch: i sse it but now it doesnt come on my screen

Pema Pera: nice meeting you Key

Fael Illyar: good night Pema :)

Pema Pera: and Lia

Wol Euler: mmm, good idea ... good night pema, take dare

Wol Euler: *care

Pema Pera: and Wol and Fael again!

Lia Rikugun: good night

Wol Euler: but maybe "dare" too ...

Pema Pera: see y'all soon

Pema Pera: take dare I'll do in dream!

Pema Pera the dare devil dreamer

Wol Euler: indeed

Wol Euler: "dream big or stay awake"+

Pema Pera: (if someone can send me a chat log, or append on wiki, I'd appreciate it, for the rest of the conversation!)

Wol would later send me the following snippet.

Lia Rikugun: so 3 minutes for the next gong

Wol Euler: key, the spanker shouldn't be onscreen, it should attach invisibly to your right hip

Key Tisch: ok

Key Tisch: how do i make it work

Wol Euler: right-cick and select "wear"

Fael Illyar: for windows users, this program will work for playing a bell sound every 15 minutes http://www.mindfulnessdc.org/mindfulclock.html

Key Tisch: i did

Wol Euler: stand again, please?

Wol spanked Key's ass

Wol Euler: there

Key Tisch: were is it on me

Wol Euler: invisible :)

Key spanked Key's ass

Key spanked Key's ass

Lia Rikugun: hehe

Wol Euler: it attaches to the right hip, and appears to cover the arse generally

Key spanked Wol's ass

Key spanked Wol's ass

Wol Euler: :)

Key Tisch: oh

Wol Euler sighs. We really must get this floor solved.

Key Tisch: thats not how it use to work

Wol Euler: hmmmm. that's how I know them ... anyway.

Wol Euler: I too shall have to return to RL, work is calling.

Lia Rikugun: me too

Wol Euler: it was nice to meet you Lia and Key, hope to see you again

Wol Euler: Fael, take care, be productive :)

Fael Illyar whispers: perhaps suggest to storm to make the floor thicker?

Lia Rikugun: yes likewise

Fael Illyar whispers: see you later Wol :)

Wol Euler: (or not of candyfloss?)

Key Tisch: ok you too bye bye i neet to go tooo

Wol Euler: bye for now

Lia Rikugun: bye bye

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