2008.11.13 13:00 - The sentience of stars, or "What is life?"

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    The guardian for the meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are Storm's - that is until he simply loses track and goes for "comment by indent" instead!

    Wol Euler: hello storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Wol
    Wol Euler: you found the sinking spot too ...
    Storm Nordwind: I have that sinking feeling again!
    Wol Euler: it's odd that it only happens to certain people.
    Storm Nordwind: Very strange - I'm actually underground
    Wol Euler: nope, I am immune ...
    Wol Euler: odd...............
    Storm Nordwind: We need to call for a sim reboot
    Wol Euler: I guess ...
    Pema Pera: Hi Gaya!
    Wol Euler: actually, I had an idea for an experiment. Try taking off all your prims, including hair and attachments, just leaving slider clothes and hair and shoes
    Wol Euler: see if you still fall through.

    So soon we were joined by four people, one of whom drifted away immediately. The other three plonked themselves down straightaway.

    Pema Pera: Hi Wol, Storm!
    Wol Euler: hello gaya, hello pema
    Storm Nordwind: Hi both!
    Pema Pera: Hi Fefonz!
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Mr. Quan
    Fefonz Quan: hello hello
    Pema Pera: Let me introduce Fefonz
    Pema Pera: In RL he is sitting in the office next to me :-)
    Wol Euler: hello fefonz
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Pema Pera: a physicist who is just getting his feet wet, so to speak, in SL
    Storm Nordwind: Lucky guy - in the US!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Then he should walk right into the pool
    Fefonz Quan: At least for now at the us...
    Storm Nordwind: We can tell him it's his initiation ceremony!
    Pema Pera: :) He just came from Help Island, you can't get fresher!
    Storm Nordwind: Then please right click on a cushion Fefonz
    Storm Nordwind: and select sit from the pie menu
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Pema Pera: Fefonz is from Israel originally
    Pema Pera: he is now visiting my program of interdisciplinary studies this year
    Wol Euler: cool
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Excellent
    Fefonz Quan: thanks all, nice being here.
    Storm Nordwind: Great to see you Gaya - haven't crossed paths for ages!

    We needed to make sure that our guest had given persission for us to record and publish his name and words. I think you can guess the outcome of that from seeing him here.

    Wol Euler: has Pema given you the formal introduction? with the website and the notecard and asking permission to quote you?
    Gaya Ethaniel nods... missed you all ^__^
    Storm Nordwind: You have explained about the recording Piet?
    Fefonz Quan: nope
    Storm Nordwind: Please continue Wol! :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: ok, well we are a group who meet to discuss a particular meditation practice invented by Pema
    Pema Pera: Fefonz, the question is: do you mind to have our conversation be published on our web site?
    Pema Pera: Fefonz did have a look at the web site already
    Fefonz Quan: not at all. i know about the PaB website
    Pema Pera: thanks!
    Wol Euler: ok, just checking :) it's a requirement under the Linden ToS
    Pema Pera: (I guess I hadn't mentioned the recording :-)
    Pema Pera: yes, and good form too, in any case!
    Pema Pera: thanks, Wol
    Wol Euler: yw :)
    Pema Pera: May we ask, Fefonz, what was your impression from looking at the web site?
    Pema Pera: the Play as Being wiki?
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fefonz Quan: Well it seems very interesting, i didn't hava the time to explore it thoroughly yet
    Pema Pera: take your time, both with SL and PaB !
    Fefonz Quan: Sure, i will

    So I tried to get the ball rolling.

    Storm Nordwind: Well so far today we have not talked about anything other than suspecting the sim needs a restart to stop people falling into the earth!
    Pema Pera: ah! Shall I ask the powers that be?
    Pema Pera: or shall we just wait?
    Wol Euler: there is a rolling restart scheduled for next week ...
    Storm Nordwind: Yes please... perhaps after this session! :)
    Pema Pera: hehe, yeah
    Storm Nordwind: There is? Good!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Storm Nordwind: Well that would be good.
    Wol Euler: should have happened today or tomorrow but they found a problem i the new version and rolled it back.
    Pema Pera: rolling restarts may get rid of sinking feelings . . . .
    Pema Pera: ah, that could also be an explanation for the sinking then
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed. I fall right into the earth with no floor in the way
    Pema Pera: hahaha, yes
    Wol Euler: RL needs rolling restarts ...
    Wol Euler: corvi!
    Storm Nordwind: It's not even that I have an affinity for earth!

    And Corvi arrived. This was developing into quite a lovely crowd. Solobill followed.

    Pema Pera: Hi Corvi!
    Wol Euler: and solo, nice to see you both.
    Gaya Ethaniel likes the new mat
    Pema Pera: but you do walk on water, right, Storm?
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: Hello!
    Storm Nordwind: Wonderful - good to see you
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all!
    Pema Pera: Hi Solo, what a nice crowd today!
    Pema Pera: Solo and Corvi, meet Fefonz
    Storm Nordwind: Only when it's wine flavoured Pema!
    Solobill Laville: hmmmm, where to sit, where to sit... :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Pema Pera: Fefonz came here for the first time, straight from Help Island
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Fefonz!
    Faenik: why not?
    Pema Pera: (and Fefonz is sitting next door to me in RL)
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Solobill!
    Solobill Laville: ah...hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Aloha
    Pema Pera: We begin to look like a formation of migrating birds . . . .
    Solobill Laville: yes, but facing the wrong direction perhaps :)
    Pema Pera: ah, yes :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Maybe some birds like west
    Solobill Laville: hehe, Storm
    Pema Pera: we do everything backwards here! We start at the end, with Being
    Pema Pera: and then work our way back to the start
    Storm Nordwind: You mean Being as Play Pema? ;)
    Fefonz Quan: yalp sa gneib ? :)
    Pema Pera: sure, Being playing us playing Being --- hehe, Fefonz :)
    Storm Nordwind's head aches
    Pema Pera: it actually has a nice ring to it, yalp sa gneib . . .
    Faenik: indeed?
    Fefonz Quan: so we'll speak quietly
    Storm Nordwind thinks he has the title for this chatlog!
    Gaya Ethaniel: sounds exotic ^^
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs

    Trust Pema, thankfully, to inject some scientific sanity.

    Pema Pera: I had an interesting conversation the other day, about Aristoteles, and Aristotelean physics
    Pema Pera: hehehe, Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Please tell us Pema
    Pema Pera: Aristoteles saw biology as basic; everything being alive in some sense and having goals
    Pema Pera: while Newton saw physics as basic; everything having only causes
    Pema Pera: So in our modern science view, the material world is basically dead
    Storm Nordwind: or lifeless at least
    Pema Pera: and an enormous complex kind of miracle has to happen for life to appear
    Solobill Laville: Reductionism?
    Pema Pera: and for life to propagate
    Pema Pera: yes, reductionism to a lifeless world
    Pema Pera: Perhaps you could call Aristotles move also a kind of reductionism but to a living world
    Solobill Laville: yes
    Fefonz Quan: isn't it just the time reversal of the other view?
    Storm Nordwind: What about those people who explain life simply as a physical process, an artifact of electrical signals through the cortex

    And more people arrived - Moon and Fael. At this point the conversations get crossed. Pema struggles on while a number present have delightful fun. I begin to lose track so, rather than commenting, I have taken the alternative tack of separating out the threads vertically. Still, some amazing topics of conversation do emerge, centred around the theme of "What is life?"

    Please read on... if you can!

    Wol Euler: (what a crowd today! hello moon, fael)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Hello everyone :)
    Pema Pera: yes, that is the modern view, Storm
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles at cute Moon
    Pema Pera: and it is incredibly complex
    Solobill Laville: Hey, Fael and Moon
    Pema Pera: amazingly so, given the incredible arrangement that molecules have to make to even form one living cell
    Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
    Pema Pera: I've been trying to taste the move between the three views: the everyday way of taking things for granted, the starting-from-life view and the starting-from-lifeless view
    Corvuscorva Nightfire tosses a bit of chocolate to Gaya's lap.
    Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
    Fael Illyar would like to point out that we are patterns, not matter ;)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles and breaks some chocolates and feeds Moon
    Pema Pera: It's very hard for us to take the starting-from-life view . . . we are so indoctrinated in the basically-lifeless view of reality
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Storm Nordwind can smell the chocolate from where he is sitting!
    Fael Illyar: more specifically, patterns that can recreate themselves.
    Pema Pera: but incredibly complex patterns on carriers of matter, Fael, in our modern view
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Wol
    Wol Euler: ty
    Solobill Laville: I prefer the second view, intellectually, as I would guess most would
    Pema Pera: starting with life, you mean?
    Fael Illyar: we're patterns, whether that's patterns of matter makes no difference.
    Gaya Ethaniel whispers to Moon "I will give you some more later otherwise you'd get hyper again."
    Solobill Laville: yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire tosses a packet of chocolate to Storm...
    Fefonz Quan: i thought most would go with the starting with physical
    Moon Fargis looks up to gaya
    Storm Nordwind is very grateful to Corvi ! :))
    Solobill Laville: yes, now I realize my bias, Fefonz
    Moon Fargis nods
    Solobill Laville nods
    Pema Pera: starting with the physical is the only approach that is well worked out and accepted . . . . in our current views
    Gaya Ethaniel stays firm on sugar overdose policy at PaB
    Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.
    Fael Illyar smiles at Gaya.
    Cup of Fremonto to grab owned by Storm Nordwind gave you 'Cup of Fremonto strong expresso'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bieup/66/40/103 ).
    Pema Pera: If we start from Being, which is beyond any dichotomy, including that between living and lifeless, we have various choices . . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: can you expound on what you mean by starting from life, Pema?
    Pema Pera: Corvi, let me give an analogy:
    Pema Pera: (my favorite one, a movie)
    Pema Pera: if someone in a movie walks into a dark room, and switches on a light
    Pema Pera: the room gets lighter
    Pema Pera: according to the story of the movie, within the framework of the movie
    Pema Pera: but from the story of the projector
    Pema Pera: all that happens is that in the earlier scene *more* of the light of the projector got obscured
    Pema Pera: and in the later scene *less*
    Pema Pera: The light was always there, just the degree of obscuration changed
    Pema Pera: The in-movie story starts with the default of no-light
    Pema Pera: the in-projector story starts with the default of all-light
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's the life? the light?
    Pema Pera: and in both cases all phenomena stem from there -- well, yes, in this metaphor
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: so we could try to construct/find a world view in which life/knowledge/information (like Fael's patterns) would be the default
    Pema Pera: instead of lifeless matter
    Pema Pera: and that story might be equally "real" as the current scientific story
    Pema Pera: without invalidating the latter in any way
    Solobill Laville: Is life so on/off?
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire is hit by this like a ton of bricks.
    Solobill Laville smiles at Corvi
    Pema Pera: I hope Corvi retains her life!!
    Pema Pera: no, life comes in shades, like light in a movie . . . .
    Solobill Laville nods
    Pema Pera: @ Solo
    Moon Fargis looks at corvi and notices she is made out of chocolate again!
    Pema Pera: note: in a fairy tale everything can be alive, like a spoon or a table
    Gaya Ethaniel sighs...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at Moon while she digests Pema's Meme.
    Pema Pera: (or everything can be made of chocolate :)
    Wol Euler: Moon! no chewing on the guests.
    Moon Fargis: aww pleaaase
    Wol Euler quietly hands you a small choccy
    Moon Fargis: ^_^
    Moon Fargis: thank you!
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fefonz Quan: but in real life it sound like life came quite late...
    Pema Pera: why do fairy tales appeal so much to children, and why does the modern science view make people so depressed that they want to deny it and escape into creationism and intelligent design, etc .. . .
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: Yes, Fefonz, that is part of the scientific story . . . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel: because 'heart' is missing?
    Pema Pera: yes, Gaya
    Cup of Fremonto to grab owned by Storm Nordwind gave you 'Cup of Fremonto strong expresso'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bieup/66/40/103 ).
    Pema Pera: so playing with both views, switching between them, as a kind of experiment, I find very interesting
    Pema Pera: and inspiring too
    Fefonz Quan: though in that case you gave life to rocks and stars as well
    Corvuscorva Nightfire holds out a bit of warm chocolate in her hand to Moon....
    Moon Fargis smile stretches over his whole face
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Pema Pera: to the story that contains rocks and stars as elements, Fefonz . . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire pets his head with her other hand.
    Faenik: why not?
    Gaya Ethaniel anticipates some 'hyper activities' of Moon shortly
    Wol Euler smiles. Why not consider them "alive", if Buddha extends compassion to them?
    Fefonz Quan: i didn't say not, just tried to clarify the point for myself
    Wol Euler: (not saying that Buddha is a judge of scientific matter, just suggesting a line of thought)
    Moon Fargis: dont worry gaya but maybe when i get another choco
    Solobill Laville smiles at Wol throwin' down some Buddha!
    Fefonz Quan: though Buddha does address sentient beings if i may say
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler chuckles. Well, yanno....
    Solobill Laville: yes, but what does the Buddha consider sentient beings?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs at Moon...you are a fickle little bear....
    Fefonz Quan: if you meet him on the path, ask him that before you kill him ;-)
    Solobill Laville smiles
    Storm Nordwind thinks this is a good point needing answering before he takes any more antibiotics
    Solobill Laville: not well in RL Storm?
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles... uh my throat was getting better
    Faenik: indeed?
    Storm Nordwind: OK at the moment thank you. But winter is approaching
    Solobill Laville: ah, yes...
    Moon Fargis: gaya: ahh i know also eaten too much chocolate ?
    Fael Illyar: antibiotics or no antibiotics, bacteria and other small organisms are still facing mass destruction in proximity to us.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Solobill Laville: Too true Fael!
    Storm Nordwind wonders if there's anyone else for coffee before he takes away the espresso machine
    Moon Fargis: hmmm chocolate coffee ?
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks it's the other way around with this nasty flu she's got
    Storm Nordwind: Bad bear Moon!
    Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head.
    Fael Illyar: ah, yes, chocolate coffee?
    Solobill Laville: thx, loved it Storm, the saucer is so classy too! (to an American, you know...)
    Gaya Ethaniel reads back, trying to catch the thread again...
    Storm Nordwind looks back through the chat, trying to recover the thread
    Fael Illyar: thread? was there one?
    Moon Fargis pokes storm, we where at chocolate coffee
    Fael Illyar: ah, yes, chocolate coffee :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think we are considering the aliveness of stars?
    Storm Nordwind sighs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or their sentience ?
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles... have mercy on my throat ^^
    Storm Nordwind: The sentience of stars - what a lovely phrase!
    Solobill Laville: new title
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
    Storm Nordwind: indeed!
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Faenik: indeed?
    Storm Nordwind thinks that, clearly, Solobill is "high"
    Wol Euler: yogic flying again.
    Solobill Laville: I just can't seem to help it...
    Gaya Ethaniel: ^_^
    Storm Nordwind: It's the euphoric company Solo
    Moon Fargis giggles *beansoup*
    Fael Illyar: anyway, since intelligent life is clearly patterns, we could have big problems identifying other intelligent patterns. There are problems of scale, speed and of the nature of the patterns as well.
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Fael Illyar: entirely possible there could parallel patterns to us that exist right alongside us without either being aware of the other
    Pema Pera: yes, but that argument is an argument within the current scientific view
    Fefonz Quan: i thought we started with life, not just intelligent ones.
    Wol Euler: are earthquakes perhaps just the plosive consonants of mountains speaking?
    Solobill Laville does too
    Storm Nordwind wonders at more chatlog titles
    Fael Illyar: chocolate coffee!
    Gaya Ethaniel hesitates... "must I mute Moon for my health's sake?"
    Faenik giggles. that tickles.
    Wol Euler feels vaguely sorry for Pema, as yet another earnest enquiry turns into play.
    Pema Pera: oh, it gives Fefonz a fair idea of what to expect here :-)
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Gaya Ethaniel: I do try hard Pema to keep Moon in check ^^
    Fefonz Quan: now i know what the "play" in Pab means :)
    Moon Fargis: (atleast no chocolate coffee :)
    Solobill Laville: I think Fael's comment before about patterns would hold too if you just strike out "intelligent" Fefonz
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at Fefonz
    Pema Pera: Fefonz is getting right into the spirit of PaB :)
    Fael Illyar recalls Wol having problems deciding if Moon is a babbling idiot or someone with deep thoughts.
    Moon Fargis: (play as being also means enjoy being )
    Moon Fargis: fael: she was right on both :)
    Wol Euler's eyes open wide. Did I say that?
    Wol Euler: I must have meant myself...

    Fefonz Quan: what bothers me about defining everything as life is that it looses the meaning
    Fael Illyar: hmmh... I think it was you ... can't think of anyone else.
    Storm Nordwind: Why does it have to have meaning?
    Solobill Laville: Definitions are important in terms of discussion
    Fael Illyar: still, it was IM :)
    Pema Pera: I did not mean to define everything as life -- or anything else -- it is not a definition, more a question of the arena or stage you start with
    Pema Pera: we can put an object somewhere, because there is space to put it in, as a stage
    Fefonz Quan: just so when we claim "everything is life" or "life oriented" instead of "physics oriented" we should say something
    Pema Pera: we can move an object, give it motion, because there is time
    Pema Pera: perhaps we can have life and death because there is a third kind of background, like space and time . . . .
    Moon Fargis: hmm do we really have life an death ? aren't those also just terms ?
    Moon Fargis: terms like beginning or end, 0 and 1
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Pema Pera: matter is present in space and time, and so is life, and the question is whether space and time suffice, as a stage
    Gaya Ethaniel: or changes in appearance...
    Moon Fargis: pema: yes.. lets just think the time away as a invention of us humans
    Fefonz Quan: looks like space and time could do without life, but not vice versa
    Moon Fargis: what would happen ... what do you think
    Storm Nordwind: To say "suffice' implies a relationship of need that is part of life itself Pema
    Faenik: could be
    Solobill Laville: That is an interesting thought, Fefonz
    Pema Pera: in physics, matter appears in space and time, but matter is different from either one, at least so it seems . . . .
    Pema Pera: and modern science suggests that life is just complex forms of matter
    Fefonz Quan: which is just a hypothesis
    Pema Pera: and perhaps string theory could explain matter as a particular way that space is knotted or rolled up -- and then space and time would be the basis of everything
    Pema Pera: but perhaps there are equally valid alternative stories
    Pema Pera: starting with space and time and the condition of possibility for life
    Pema Pera: like time is the condition of possibility for motion
    Pema Pera: (sorry, this may all be too complex for a sunny afternoon :-)

    A comment by a Dutchman in America who has clearly forgotten his roots. The mass of Europeans present peer out of their respective windows in Real Life.
    Moon Fargis: hehe
    Wol Euler: or a mild nearly-full-moon evening
    Storm Nordwind looks outside in Real Life. Hmm...
    Fael Illyar looks up at the sky... 'No sun there'
    Pema Pera: just-after-full moon
    Moon Fargis: (or deep night before bedtime here)
    Wol Euler: (sorry)
    Storm Nordwind sees dark dark dark
    Wol Euler <- not an astronomer
    Pema Pera: :)
    Solobill Laville: I think that time is the condition for the possibility of motion! Sun or no! :)
    Gaya Ethaniel opens the curtains... it's dark too
    Fefonz Quan: by the way - i saw a hallow around the full moon yesterday - is there a short explanation?
    Storm Nordwind: ice
    Wol Euler: ice crystals at very high altitude
    Pema Pera: yes, and the question is, Solo, whether there is a similar condition of possibility for life . . . .
    Solobill Laville: sky fairies
    Solobill Laville: oh, sorry
    Storm Nordwind has the shortest explanation. Solo has the prettiest
    Gaya Ethaniel: I did find that thread interesting... life & time/space relationship but perhaps more next time
    Fael Illyar: the ice crystal have many names :)
    Fefonz Quan: both are short and explaining nciely :)
    Moon Fargis: btw Moon: http://picasaweb.google.de/Sylvio.Ku...81650407372658
    Pema Pera: Moon from Moon to Moon
    Pema Pera: nice pic!
    Solobill Laville needs to run
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: See you later, Solo :)
    Storm Nordwind waves to Solo
    Fefonz Quan: So long!
    Solobill Laville: bye, all
    Wol Euler: bye solo, thanks and take are.
    Pema Pera: bye Solo!
    Wol Euler: *care
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles as Moon moves to another lap.
    Wol Euler: that's a big cup for a small bear.
    Faenik: could be
    Moon Fargis presses some buttons and waits for the chocolate
    Gaya Ethaniel looks on... bear drinking espresso... what the world is coming to...
    Fael Illyar smiles at Moon.
    Moon Fargis tastes this brown water
    Moon Fargis: bahh
    Fael Illyar: it's quite bitter without chocolate, Moon :)
    Storm Nordwind: rude bear
    Moon Fargis: how can you drink such biter stuff eeeeeew
    Fefonz Quan: too much coffain and the bears don't stop running at the (wall) street
    Storm Nordwind groans
    Wol Euler thoughtfully ruffles moon's fur
    Fael Illyar: ah, Fefonz ...
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Fael Illyar suddenly remembers meeting him in RL.
    Storm Nordwind notices that Moon now has ruffled chocolate in his hair
    Moon Fargis cleans his fur like a cat
    Fael Illyar: (I guided you through registering your SL account, if you forgot what I said my SL name to be)
    Faenik: why not?
    Moon Fargis gave you Hot Chocolate.
    Hot Chocolate: Warms You Up
    Wol Euler: ta, moon.
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i know, i recognised the name too.
    Hot Chocolate: Warms You Up
    Hot Chocolate: Warms You Up
    Hot Chocolate: Warms You Up
    Fael Illyar is a bit slow with names she hasn't seen that often.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty Moon
    Pema Pera: ah yes! Fefonz is now sitting in Fael's chair in RL :-)
    Pema Pera: in the corner near the windows
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Fefonz Quan: here RL sound like a fairytale :)
    Hot Chocolate: Now a cozy sit by the fire?
    Hot Chocolate: Now a cozy sit by the fire?
    Hot Chocolate: Now a cozy sit by the fire?
    Hot Chocolate: Now a cozy sit by the fire?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Now we decided to make the fun even more official.
    Wol Euler: sounds like an idea, actually. The cafe, anyone?
    Moon Fargis: ahhh ok ok
    Storm Nordwind: Happy Hour!
    Pema Pera: well, I have to return to the other fairy land, RL . . . .
    Fefonz Quan: i wish i had one on my desk...
    Pema Pera: ah yes, that too!
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: ah well.
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Pema :)
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Wol Euler: it was nice to see you again Pema, take care.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire will ollow Wol
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Pema Pera: quick peek at Kira Cafe, and then off to RL
    Pema Pera: thanks all for coming over!
    Wol Euler: I'll tp you, corvi.
    Storm Nordwind will take the balloon ride
    Wol Euler: oh! do that, corvi. itÄs fun
    Fael Illyar waves.
    Wol Euler: bye to anyone who isn't coming along!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire hugs Moon...
    Faenik: could be
    Moon Fargis looks at corvi with his black knob eyes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: coming Moon?
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... balloon ride...
    Fefonz Quan: good bye all, great meeting you,
    Gaya Ethaniel: can't resist balloons...
    Moon Fargis: hmm well have to go to bed
    Storm Nordwind: It's a short walk to the balloon from here
    Gaya Ethaniel: have a good day Fefonz
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: by, Fefonz....
    Fefonz Quan: c u next times
    Corvuscorva Nightfire rubs Moons head.
    Fael Illyar: You too Fefonz :)
    Fael Illyar: Do come again :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: then g'night bear.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Storm you got me at least for the ride ^^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire rubs his belly and stares back into his little black eyes.
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Storm Nordwind: OK then please follow me Gaya!
    Moon Fargis: good night everyone!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Moon come for a ride at least
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Storm Nordwind: Yeah come on guys

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