2008.11.17 13:00 - Listening to the water

Stim Morane was the guardian for this session, which was recovered from the autologging test database. Wol suggested the title.

 

Becka Finesmith: Hello Stim 

Becka Finesmith: relaxing isn't it 

Kal Szczepanski: what is all of that 

Stim Morane: Hi Becka and Kal 

Becka Finesmith: all of what Kal? 

Becka Finesmith: the water? 

Kal Szczepanski: hello Stim 

Becka Finesmith: Stim, this is Kals first experience of SL 

Stim Morane: Welcome! 

Kal Szczepanski: thank you 

Stim Morane: I hope you are enjoying it. 

Kal Szczepanski: your the second person I have talked to today 

Becka Finesmith: :) 

Kal Szczepanski: Becka is the first 

Becka Finesmith: So what did the radio programme say Kal? 

Kal Szczepanski: Well it said you can explor differant places, and get lost. So far I got lost 

Becka Finesmith: this is a nice place to get lost at :) 

Becka Finesmith: what kind if things do you like to do? 

Kal Szczepanski: It also said you can meet alot of people from all over the world, so far that is true. 

Becka Finesmith: Excellent - It's living up to the hype then :) 

Kal Szczepanski: yes it is. 

Kal Szczepanski: Why does the numbers in ront of me say recording? 

Becka Finesmith: Are you the gaurdian Stim? 

Stim Morane: Yes. Have you been told anything about the numbers, Becka? 

Becka Finesmith: A little Stim so if you want to explain to Kal - I'd be happy to learn too :) 

Stim Morane: You probably know more than I. I'm just assuming they're part of the new auto-recording system for PaB. 

Becka Finesmith: lol - Yes - I think that's it too. That's about all I knew. Kal. These sessions are recorded and published on our wiki. 

Kal Szczepanski: oh 

Stim Morane: Becka, have you explained anything about PaB to Kal yet? 

Becka Finesmith: just where he is. We only had a quick conversation just before you arrived. 

Stim Morane: Yes, of course. 

Becka Finesmith: I said this was the PaB pavillion and that was as far as we got 

Stim Morane: PaB = "Play as Being", an exploration concentrating on simple exercises in awareness of the presence of "Being" in life. 

Stim Morane: You can read about this at http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ 

Kal Szczepanski: ok thanks 

Stim Morane: Meanwhile, just to complete the formalities, Kal do you give us permission to post the text chat from this session (including your own comments)? 

Kal Szczepanski: Sure 

Stim Morane: Obviously you will want to take some time to become familiar with the page I mentioned on PaB and its orientation. 

Kal Szczepanski: yes 

Stim Morane: Becka, do you have anything to report re that? 

Becka Finesmith: The wiki Stim? 

Stim Morane: Well, that would be fine too. I was just thinking of the basic PaB exploration. 

Becka Finesmith: ah - Yes. Kal - I'm quite new to PaB too - I've only been coming for about a week. 

Becka Finesmith: everyone I have met has been lovely (And now I've met Stim too ) :) 

Becka Finesmith: The basis of the practive here is a 9 second meditation and it's surprising how relaxed it makes you feel 

Kal Szczepanski: I'ts been very nice to meet both of you. 

Kal Szczepanski: I have to go to work now. 

Becka Finesmith: nice to meet you too :) 

Becka Finesmith: take care 

Stim Morane: Sure, nice to meet you, Kal. 

Kal Szczepanski: Mabey I will see you sometime. 

Stim Morane: Bye 

Stim Morane: :) 

Becka Finesmith: I've been practicing the 9 seonds more over the weekend 

Becka Finesmith: i thin kI'm getting the hang of the timing now :) 

Stim Morane: Have you noticed anything new as a result? 

Becka Finesmith: I do feel calmer for sure. 

Becka Finesmith: I'm probably thinking more about things in general and taking time out to do that 

Stim Morane: Good 

Becka Finesmith: I normally rend to flit from one thing to another all the time 

Stim Morane: I suppose everyone does, in one way or another 

Becka Finesmith: I actually look forward to the peace of coming here and listening to the water 

Stim Morane: Yes 

Stim Morane: Well, feel free! We can just sit a while, if you like. 

Becka Finesmith: can you tell me how it is for you? 

Stim Morane: The PaB exercises? 

Becka Finesmith: yes 

Stim Morane: Well, things of that general sort have been important to me for quite a while. 

Stim Morane: The main thing is to appreciate one's existence, "Being", more, and to let this appreciation grow and refine. 

Becka Finesmith: That comes with practice? I'm used to meditation in the conventional sense but this just isn't the same. I think, initially, oddly, it's a little harder 

Stim Morane: Admittedly my own practice is more traditional. What do you see as the difference between the little PaB exercises and traditional meditation? 

Becka Finesmith: ok - Traditionally, you set aside, say, an hour, and take yourself away from the distractions. 

Becka Finesmith: Setting aside the hour is difficult 

Becka Finesmith: but once you are there, you in "in the moment" so to speak 

Becka Finesmith: With this practice, you don't take yourself away from the other things 

Stim Morane: I see 

Becka Finesmith: you are still in the thick of your daily life 

Becka Finesmith: with all the calls on your senses 

Becka Finesmith: I find I have to be so much more focused to get beyond those calls 

Becka Finesmith: and that's why I like it 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya 

Stim Morane: Of course the same could apply to what I'm calling traditional meditation ... even its methods are meant to be carried into ordinary life. But perhaps it is unusual, as you say, to START with immersion in ordinary activities and situations. 

Becka Finesmith: Hey Covu 

Becka Finesmith: Corvu 

Stim Morane: Hi Corvuscorva 

Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at both. 

Becka Finesmith: Corvi even :) 

Corvuscorva Nightfire grin. 

Becka Finesmith: I'll ge tit right one day 

Becka Finesmith: oops 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: don't worry! 

Becka Finesmith: Get it right!!! 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's all good. 

Becka Finesmith: I can't even type today :( 

Stim Morane: I always feel that way. 

Stim Morane: And unfortunately, it's true. 

Stim Morane: (in my case) 

Corvuscorva Nightfire can't find a single typo in those two lines. 

Becka Finesmith: lol 

Stim Morane: So, Becka, are you saying the PaB exercises can actually cause a kind of strain? 

Becka Finesmith: we were just talking about the difference we see in the 9 seconds and conventional meditation techniques Corvi 

Stim Morane: Yes, thanks Becka. 

Becka Finesmith: No Stim, Not at all 

Becka Finesmith: quite the opposite 

Stim Morane: Oh 

Becka Finesmith: I think I found it hard to remove myself from things for such a short time initially 

Stim Morane: I recall your first comments, I was just following up on the later ones. 

Stim Morane: Yes, I see what you mean. 

Stim Morane: It is quite challenging. 

Becka Finesmith: Yes - I think it can be harder then conventional Meditation but only initially 

Stim Morane: Yes. 

Becka Finesmith: but as i'm getting used to it now, it's actually getting easier to focus my attention away from teh distractions 

Stim Morane: I look forward to hearing more about how this "plays out" for you over the next month or so. 

Becka Finesmith: yes - it's going to be interesting 

Becka Finesmith: So how often do you meditate in the conventional sense? 

Stim Morane: A few hours a day in the formal sense, more in a free-form way. 

Becka Finesmith: yes. It's funny that you can be doing it sometimes without realising! 

Stim Morane: I guess it's not so surprising. 

Stim Morane: But I see what you mean. 

Stim Morane: All we're really talking about is natural presence. 

Stim Morane: But of course as you were saying about the PaB exercses, it does take "training" too. 

Becka Finesmith: yes - there is a little paradox really 

Stim Morane: You probably have caught up with us at this point, Corvi ... do you have any comments? 

Becka Finesmith: to be fullydisengaged, we have to train to do it 

Stim Morane: Yes. 

Stim Morane: It's just countering habits, to some extent. 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I don't have any comments, right now..the 9 seconds is my only real explorations of this sort of stuff. 

Stim Morane: Sure. 

Becka Finesmith: yes. In I guess the practice is the pervasive thing for me right now, eventually, I hope that will fall away and I can feel what's underneath 

Stim Morane: In one way or another, that seems most likely. 

Stim Morane: I will have to go now. It was nice to see both of you. 

Becka Finesmith: Really nice to meet you to Stim :) 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Nice to see you, Stim. 

Stim Morane: Thanks. I enjoyed meeting you, Becka! 

Becka Finesmith: I guess I should get some sleep. It's been a long day 

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Becka. 

Stim Morane: Sounds good. 

Stim Morane: Goodbye to both of you! 

Becka Finesmith: Bye Corvi, Stim. :)