2008.11.21 13:00 - Integrate it in modern life

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    The guardian for this session was Solobill (and Solo Jr. for a brief bit in RL); the comments are his, as in the older one...

    I arrived at the Playgoda to see Umbriel, and a new face, Tarmel.

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    Solobill Laville: Hello, Umbriel!
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Tarmel!
    Solobill Laville: Nice to meet you
    Tarmel Udimo: hello
    Solobill Laville: Have you been here before, Tarmel?
    Tarmel Udimo: i was here a few days ago but came late
    Solobill Laville: (in other words have you gotten the spiel yet?) :)
    Tarmel Udimo: so I am not sure what the protocols are
    Tarmel Udimo: I've read the website
    Solobill Laville: Oh, not so heavy on the protocols... :)
    Tarmel Udimo: okay
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Solobill Laville: OK, great, so you know that we log the chats and post them to our wiki? OK to include you today?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Solobill Laville: great, thanks!
    Solobill Laville: How are you doing, Umbriel?
    Umbriel Levenque: um... doing 9 sec one moment

    In the midst of all this I sent Tarmel a PaB notecard...

    Tarmel Udimo accepted your inventory offer.
    Tarmel Udimo: thanks for card
    Solobill Laville: yw :)
    Umbriel Levenque: There seems to be some worries but can't quite catch it
    Umbriel Levenque: How are you Solo?
    Solobill Laville: ah...can't catch the worries...you may need a worry catcher :)
    Umbriel Levenque: heheh
    Solobill Laville: I am fine, thanks

    Becka joined us.  In RL I was sitting on the floor and my son was very interested in this PaB session, despite his roller blades.

    Becka Finesmith: Hello
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Solobill Laville: I have a very chatty 6-year old over my shoulder who wants to see me fly :))
    Tarmel Udimo: hello
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Solobill Laville: Hey there, Becka!
    Faenik: indeed?
    Becka Finesmith: Hey Solobill
    Becka Finesmith: Hello chatty 6 year old
    Becka Finesmith: Halllooooo
    Becka Finesmith: :)
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Solobill Laville: Gus says hi
    Becka Finesmith: Aww - Hello Gus :)
    Umbriel Levenque: Hi Gus
    Becka Finesmith: Does he recognise you ?
    Solobill Laville: Oh, yes
    Becka Finesmith: Must be the hat
    Solobill Laville: He has seen this av before
    Solobill Laville: it is always about the accessories, isn't it? :)
    Becka Finesmith nods

    Beckca comments on Storm's customizations at the pagoda.

    Becka Finesmith: What happened to the fountain? It's different
    Solobill Laville: Storm made some adjustments :)
    Becka Finesmith: I think I saw those :)
    Becka Finesmith: I didn't realise it could do that though
    Solobill Laville: we can now control the height of the water fountain, and whether it is here at all...
    Becka Finesmith: Nice (tarmel quick - You have 666 above your head - say something ) :)
    Tarmel Udimo: why do I have 666 over my head?
    Becka Finesmith: Phew
    Solobill Laville: ah, there you go, 765
    Becka Finesmith: Saved from the beast
    Tarmel Udimo: yes exactly
    Solobill Laville: It is part of the auto-recorder we have set up here :)
    Tarmel Udimo: I figured that but happy to have the change
    Solobill Laville: So, without asking anyone directly, anything to share PaB-wise?


    Tarmel Udimo: :-)
    Solobill Laville: (No worries Tarmel)

    I was trying to let Tarmel know there was no expectation of her to "jump right in" to the conversation; so, of course, she jumped right in. :)

    Tarmel Udimo: as soon as i read the idea it grabbed me
    Faenik: why not?
    Tarmel Udimo: I enjoy my 9 secs very much
    Solobill Laville: Wow, that is great!
    Solobill Laville: How pong have been doing them?
    Solobill Laville: *long
    Tarmel Udimo: only a few days
    Solobill Laville: *you
    Solobill Laville: sheesh
    Tarmel Udimo: but since I am a buddhist or at least using buddhism as an anchor
    Umbriel Levenque: Gus taking over the keyboard?
    Tarmel Udimo: it all dove tails nicely
    Solobill Laville: yes, so you have a bit of a backdrop upon which the 9-secs lay
    Solobill Laville: Similar to me
    Solobill Laville: (No, just heavy fingered today for some reason Umbriel) :)
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: glad to see I'm not the only person who relies heavily on my computer spell check
    Solobill Laville: :), we've talked before about a in-text spell checker...wouldn't that be nice??
    Solobill Laville: Sometimes, though, the typos are quite amusing, and actually drive the conversation in new directions
    Umbriel Levenque: and an embedded urban dictionary could be a good thing also for an 'older' generation person like me
    Umbriel Levenque: heheheh true Solo
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh yes human fraility
    Solobill Laville: Last week I meant "truth" and wrote "trust", for example...
    Solobill Laville: So how do the 9-secs fit in to your overall practice, Tarmel?
    Tarmel Udimo: is that way at the last session I came to there was a discussion about trust?
    Solobill Laville: no, i think that might
    Solobill Laville: have been why I mis-typed it actually, hehe, the opposite effect
    Tarmel Udimo: well, I guess I try to practise as much i can ie being aware in the moment
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm not so formal anymore, not that I ever was
    Tarmel Udimo: but the whole concept of being aware and awake is an ever increasingly fascinating one
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: That is a large part of what we discuss often
    Umbriel Levenque: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: okay
    Solobill Laville: Minefullness and Awareness
    Faenik: indeed?
    Solobill Laville: *d
    Tarmel Udimo: I am happy to hear the group's thoughts
    Solobill Laville: Well as for me
    Solobill Laville: I added the 9-secs to my other-wise (mostly) daily sittings
    Solobill Laville: and found it a wonderful way to do just as you said Tarmel
    Umbriel Levenque: same here
    Solobill Laville: Being more aware and awake
    Tarmel Udimo: it feels like a very brilliant short cut key
    Solobill Laville: Great!
    Solobill Laville: There another benefit, imho
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Solobill Laville: This attention, and regularity
    Solobill Laville: can allow greater clarity between the "things" that make up our everyday life
    Solobill Laville: are NOT what we are

    Pema joined us.

    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Tarmel Udimo: hello
    Becka Finesmith: Hi Pema
    Solobill Laville: Heya, Pema!
    Solobill Laville: Tarmel just threw down a nice affirmation of PaB practice.. :)
    Solobill Laville: Hello, ***!
    Pema Pera: oh, looking forward to read it -- or could you summarize briefly?
    Pema Pera: Hi ***!
    Faenik loves wells!
    ***: hello
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

    I pasted Tarmel's comment for Pema.

    Solobill Laville: Tarmel Udimo: it feels like a very brilliant short cut key
    Tarmel Udimo: hello
    Tarmel Udimo: yes because it energies the moment into reality one can reflect or be there in the moment
    Tarmel Udimo: well whatever reality is at that moment
    Solobill Laville nods
    Umbriel Levenque: I like the regular' break' also
    Solobill Laville: In my busy life, at a very basic level, it also gets me to slow down, appreciate
    Solobill Laville: Yes, Umbriel
    Tarmel Udimo: yes, in away I guess that's what SL is a massive evolutionary buddhist experiement
    Solobill Laville: ah!
    Solobill Laville: How would you define Buddhist in that regard, Tarmel? SL-wide...
    Tarmel Udimo: yes i realise that's not fair to others who use a different filter to view the world
    Faenik loves wells!
    Tarmel Udimo: but even on a simple level, here I am sitting at home (its saturday where i am) and having a conversation with like minded people
    Pema Pera: I'm very glad you found us, Tarmel!
    Tarmel Udimo: with out having to get in my car or walk to a meeting so my evolution is being speeded up
    Pema Pera: may I ask where you are?
    Tarmel Udimo: I am too....
    Pema Pera: in East Asia?
    Tarmel Udimo: in australia
    Pema Pera: or Australia?
    Pema Pera: And how did you stumble upon PaB?

    Umbriel left us, and Fael joined us.

    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Pema Pera: bye Umbriel!
    Fael Illyar: Hello Everyone :)
    Tarmel Udimo: well I looked for buddhist sites and I think someone pointed this out to me
    Solobill Laville: ahh...that is what I did when I was born in SL as well :)
    Pema Pera: glad you found us!
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Fael!
    Tarmel Udimo: yes so that relates back to your question about buddhism and evolution
    Tarmel Udimo: by being able to create an avatar and in essense become a new being gives room to breathe but also
    Tarmel Udimo: embed in the physche a deeper understanding of what reality and non reality is as well as what it means to be human
    Pema Pera: yes, the transition from RL to SL may help us to make the other shift: to wake up

    Hmmmmm...now THAT would be something...but in a way, it is to the extent that any other stimulus might, and yes probably moreso.

    Tarmel Udimo: yes it is seeing the mind manfesting right in front of us
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Becka Finesmith: When will we know we have acheived that pema?
    Pema Pera: Hi ******!
    Pema Pera: Please join us if you like
    Pema Pera: oh, there are many shades, Becka
    Pema Pera: initial glimpses, more glimpses, at first random
    Pema Pera: then we learn to be more consciously open for them, and so on . . . .
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Tarmel Udimo: do you practise meditation pema?
    Pema Pera: seeing is knowing; more clearly seeing is more clearly knowing . . .
    Pema Pera: yes, Tarmel, I have explored many different ones
    Pema Pera: for the last 39 years :-)
    Pema Pera: and have enjoyed a similar essence in all of them
    Pema Pera: stopping -> seeing
    Pema Pera: and my greatest interest is in how to find ways to integrate it in modern life
    Solobill Laville: That is a good initiative

    Indeed...There have been many others that have put forth effort to do this, and it may be the last and greatest part of my life's work to try to bridge that as well, as I'm thinking.

    Tarmel Udimo: in fact that is the key
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Tarmel Udimo: the hard bit
    Solobill Laville: i believe we may be exploring that ;)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes:)
    Pema Pera: so PaB starts with integration, before meditation, the cart before the horse :-)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that's what we explore :)
    Tarmel Udimo: what do you mean by integration
    Tarmel Udimo: hello fael
    Fael Illyar: Hello Tarmel :)
    Pema Pera: traditionally, Buddhist meditation say, starts with years of trying to deeply see into reality, and then even more years of integrating and steadying one's experience in daily life
    Pema Pera: modern people (think they) don't have time for that . . .
    Pema Pera: so the next best thing is to start at the end
    Pema Pera: integrating "something"
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh the 9 sec moment
    Pema Pera: stopping every 15 minutes at least pokes some holes in our habitually closed view of the world
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: and then the hole may fill themselves with the light shining through
    Pema Pera: a radically new way of using old wisdom . . . .

    I think we are getting to a point with PaB where we can start listing some real "What's in it for me's?" for the communication to said "modern people"... 

    Wol joined us.

    Solobill Laville: G'day, Wol
    Tarmel Udimo: yes its brilliant
    Wol Euler: evening all!
    Pema Pera: hi Wol
    Tarmel Udimo: hello
    Pema Pera: What is your practice, Tarmel, it is Buddhist, right?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes and I have to admit
    Tarmel Udimo: I can be very slack when it comes to sitting, which is why perhaps to make up for it i try to do it all the time
    Pema Pera: that's great!!
    Pema Pera: yes, the idea is to make one's whole life a kind of meditation . . . .
    Tarmel Udimo: yes and i think its the western approach that has allowed for more and more of that
    Pema Pera: can you say more?
    Tarmel Udimo: well one reads how buddhism has been 'integrated' into the west and there are many great western buddhist tecahers

    Amos joined us.

    Solobill Laville: Hello, Amos
    Amos Porta: hi everibody
    Wol Euler: hello amos
    Tarmel Udimo: who seem to emphasize the simpler approach of awareness over ritual
    Pema Pera: Hi Amos!
    Fael Illyar: Hello Amos :)
    Pema Pera: yes indeed, we have no choice it seems
    Solobill Laville: Amos, may I give a notecard on our group?
    Amos Porta: yes
    Pema Pera: we lack in patience, but we are super-good in shifting, switching context -- like to cell phones, email, SL, etc
    Amos Porta accepted your inventory offer.
    Pema Pera: so we can use our switchability also to learn to wake up -- a little bit at a time :)
    Pema Pera: may I ask what kind of meditation you do?
    Tarmel Udimo: well I breathe
    Solobill Laville: (Amos, we meet here and discuss reality, in some sense or other :))
    Solobill Laville: (We also log our discussions to a wiki, is it to include you there?)
    Tarmel Udimo: I am ashamed to say i have tasted a few elements like Zen and vipassana two very different mind sets
    Solobill Laville: (*OK to include you there...?))
    Pema Pera: great! -- but why ashamed?
    Tarmel Udimo: but I find the formal approach difficult and like to just explore how my mind works
    Pema Pera: ah, well, this is the place then!
    Solobill Laville: yes, no need for shame, Tarmel... :)
    Tarmel Udimo: thank you
    Solobill Laville: Also, just to make clear, there are a majority of folks here who are not Buddhist...
    Solobill Laville: Everyone brings their own perspectives to share :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes i like the word filter
    Tarmel Udimo: I use the word buddhist because it seems to make it easier to find people who think a certain way
    Becka Finesmith: In my experience (Which is limited) "Buddhist" covers a very wide range of mindsets :)

    A good point, Becka.  Here we go off into many threads, mostly about the PaB group.

    Tarmel Udimo: excuse me how do I tell a friend about coming to this spot
    Wol Euler: is s/he online right now?
    Solobill Laville: You can send them the landmark (LM)
    Wol Euler: if so you can offer them a teleport from their profile
    Tarmel Udimo: yes he just came on - I've only met him once but I think he would be receptive to this conversation
    Wol Euler: ok, click on him in your Friends page, and click the "offer TP" button
    Solobill Laville: oh, great, the more the merrier! and we have plenty of cushions ;)
    Wol Euler nods
    Fael Illyar: yep :)
    Fael Illyar: quite a surge in new people lately :)
    Fael Illyar: are we advertising?
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Pema Pera: haha, I guess we didn't tell you yet
    Amos Porta: is this a SL group?
    Wol Euler: I thought it was just Solo's new aftershave ...
    Pema Pera: look at the "about land" part of here
    Solobill Laville: I think we are also "standing at the crossroads"....
    Solobill Laville blushes
    Pema Pera: we put in key words, including "Buddhist"
    Pema Pera: hehe
    Solobill Laville: Yes, Amos
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Fael Illyar: Ah, that explains a couple of things :)
    Solobill Laville: Play as Being
    Pema Pera: Amos, you can come here any day, and there is no need to be part of a group
    Solobill Laville: Amos, did you get the notecard I sent to you?
    Pema Pera: all events are listed on our wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Pema Pera: we gather each day at 1 am 7 am 1 pm 7 pm
    Solobill Laville: that wiki address helps too
    Amos Porta: yes i did
    Solobill Laville: (Tarmel, there are also many Buddhist specific sims as well that I could share with you)
    Becka Finesmith: Here in the UK that's 9am, 3pm, 9pm and 3am GMT)
    Wol Euler muses, perhaps the listeners could be set to recognize new people and give them notecards etc automatically, saving interruptions in the group ...
    Amos Porta: i'll look at the wiki
    Amos Porta: where are you all from?
    Tarmel Udimo: that would be nice, I have a few but would be happy to have more
    Solobill Laville: ah, ok, there are some basic pages there too Amos, as well as 1000 chat logs!
    Solobill Laville: I am from Michigan
    Wol Euler: Germany
    Pema Pera: That's a great idea, Wol!
    Becka Finesmith: I'm in London
    Pema Pera: I'm in Manhattan, but from Holland originally
    Amos Porta: i'm italian
    Solobill Laville nods at Wol's idea
    Tarmel Udimo: NY
    Tarmel Udimo: the big apple
    Amos Porta: excuse me, i interrupted your discussion

    How polite, Amos!

    Pema Pera: oh no, everything here is freeflowing, Amos :)
    Solobill Laville: that's ok, Amos
    Solobill Laville reads back
    Pema Pera: Do you have any questions, Amos, about our approach?
    Amos Porta: i came here just by chance
    Solobill Laville: I have a question
    Solobill Laville: What happens if I only do it a few times a day?
    Amos Porta: it?
    Solobill Laville: (yes, this is somewhat hypothetical..)
    Amos Porta: it what?
    Solobill Laville: "It" is 9-second stop, letting go, and seeing what is left...

    Becka shared some of her benefits from practicing the "basic" PaB 9-secs...amidst another thread. :)

    Becka Finesmith: As someone who is new I haven't managed to get the practice regular enough yet but I can say what is happening for the times I do it

    Becka Finesmith: And It is that I do feel more aware. I'm able to concentrate harder

    Solobill Laville: (Perhaps a kind of mini-meditation, Amos)

    Solobill Laville: Yes, Becka!
    Becka Finesmith: I'm aware of my breathing between the practice
    Pema Pera: even once a day is fine, a few times better, every fifteen minutes during the day even better . . . . .
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm curious about the idea of seeing a cone?
    Pema Pera: but no restrictions!
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Pema Pera: seeing a cone?
    Becka Finesmith: I'm more inwardly contemplative too
    Solobill Laville: /nods at Becka
    Tarmel Udimo: yes that's what it says on the website or did i make that up
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Solobill Laville: Those are great things, Becka!
    Becka Finesmith: If it is doing that now with only a few practices a day, what will it be like when I start to practice
    more regularly!
    Solobill Laville: Indeed
    Pema Pera: which web site and what cone?? Now I'm getting curious!
    Pema Pera: yes, Becka :)
    Pema Pera remembering conical sections . . . ..
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Solobill Laville: The Japanese call that first outcome joriki (concentration)
    Wol Euler: conical field of vision...
    Tarmel Udimo: let me have a quick look
    Becka Finesmith: The great parabola of life
    Solobill Laville: and if I have that wrong, may Pema correct my Japanese...
    Solobill Laville: perhaps that is a new post?
    Tarmel Udimo: i am checking
    Pema Pera: not sure, Solo
    Pema Pera: riki is power
    Pema Pera: probably
    Pema Pera: easier to see with the original characters
    Solobill Laville: Well, we can just assume I have it absolutely correct then ;)
    Solobill Laville: lol
    Becka Finesmith: I have to leave as much as I want to stay :(
    Becka Finesmith: Thank you for the company :)
    Pema Pera: see you Becka!
    Wol Euler: (nobody would have doubted you if you hadn't spoken first)
    Wol Euler: bye becka, enjoy the weekend
    Tarmel Udimo: good bye
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Becka, thanks for sharing
    Amos Porta: bye becka
    Fael Illyar: See you later Becka :)
    Becka Finesmith: THank you bye everyone. Will see you tommorow at some point

    Becka leaves as Tarmel finds the "cone" content from the wiki.

    Tarmel Udimo: You Seeing and Being Seeing
    1. Relax and become aware of your visual field. Just watch your normal, ordinary way of looking at what you can see in front of you. Nothing special. There is a cone shaped space in front of you within which you can see objects. Just become aware of you seeing whatever you see in your field of vision.
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Tarmel Udimo: found it on the website
    Wol Euler: aaaah
    Solobill Laville: ahhh
    Pema Pera: I see, yes, well, I mean that our normal field of vision happens to have the rough shape of a cone
    Tarmel Udimo: like the eyes
    Pema Pera: a fixed angle and then stretching in front of us, within that angle
    Pema Pera: yes, nothing out of the ordinary :)
    Pema Pera: btw, I'm being called over to the Kira Cafe
    Pema Pera: See you all soon again!
    Tarmel Udimo: yes :-) more like a camera lense
    Wol Euler thinks of the "event horizon" graphs ... also a cone
    Fael Illyar: See you later Pema :)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, see you there perhaps
    Pema Pera: and feel free to come over for Happy Hour there, if you like!
    Tarmel Udimo: bye pema
    Pema Pera: please tell Tarmel about HH!

    Took me a second to burn this new acronym into my brain...for those readers like me, it is for "Happy Hour"...at the Kira cafe (2:00PM SLT daily during the week at the time of this writing.)

    Amos Porta: bye pema
    Wol Euler: well, the beer's free ...
    Solobill Laville: Normally, I would go the Happy Hour, but we have a party to go to tonight...
    Wol Euler: awwwww :(
    Wol Euler: no wonder you're all dressed up
    Solobill Laville: I know, I know....tradition
    Fael Illyar: party?
    Solobill Laville: Right
    Solobill Laville: RL dinner party
    Fael Illyar: Ah
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: well, enjoy :)
    Tarmel Udimo: thanks for landmark
    Solobill Laville: Tarmel, would you like some Buddhist Landmarks?
    Wol Euler: yw
    Solobill Laville: before I take my leave
    Tarmel Udimo: yes please
    Solobill Laville: okey-dokey, hang on
    Tarmel Udimo: I too must go but its has been most enriching
    Wol Euler: bye tarmel, nice meeting you.
    Tarmel Udimo: do you all tend to come to the 1:00pm session or is it random
    Tarmel Udimo: bye wol

    I missed Tarmel's question as I was looking in my inventory for Landmarks, but I then bombarded Tarmel with "Solobill's list of approved SL Buddhist sims"...

    Wol Euler: I most often do 1am and 1pm, the 7#s are difficut for me
    Fael Illyar: it tends be a bit random.
    Fael Illyar: but 1pm ones are the most popular it seems
    Fael Illyar: 7am a bit less so.
    Fael Illyar: 1am sometimes the guardian sits there alone.
    Wol Euler: the 7pm has a very active crowd, lots of intense discussion of perception and brain functions
    Fael Illyar: 7pm also seems relatively popular
    Fael Illyar: but I can't make that, I'm asleep at the time
    Wol Euler nods
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhhh
    Solobill Laville: OK, you've been Buddha-spammed, Tarmel!
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I have been :0
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Tarmel Udimo: thanks
    Solobill Laville: yw
    Solobill Laville: nice to meet you Amos and Tarmel
    Fael Illyar: See you later Solo :)
    Wol Euler: bye solo, take care
    Tarmel Udimo: see you solo
    Solobill Laville: Good evening Fael and Wol!
    Amos Porta: bye solo

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