2008.11.27 07:00 - Gooble Gooble

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    A day of thanks .... many thanks to all of you. - CH


    Becka Finesmith: HI Caledinia
    Caledonia Heron: greetings!
    Becka Finesmith: Caledonia - Sorry
    Caledonia Heron: Happy Thanksgiving :)
    Caledonia Heron: Caledinia is my cousin :)
    Becka Finesmith: Happy Thnksgiving to you too :) We don't celebrate this in the UK :(
    Becka Finesmith: Are you having a nice break?
    Wester Kiranov: hi all
    Becka Finesmith: Hi Wester
    Caledonia Heron: hi Wester :)
    Caledonia Heron: mmmm, no break really ... I'm running the kitchen at my house, dinner for 14 later :)
    Becka Finesmith: Eeeep. - I'll be over soon ;)
    Caledonia Heron: lol, good!
    Becka Finesmith: It's a bigger celebration then Christmas?
    Caledonia Heron: have you been to this discussion group before Wester?
    Wester Kiranov: i might have to run sometime later - just here till the kids wake up from their nap
    Caledonia Heron: no, not bigger Becka, kind of a lead-in :)
    Wester Kiranov: yes, i've been here before
    Wester Kiranov: twice
    Caledonia Heron: ok, wanted to make sure you know what we're doing and that we record comments
    Caledonia Heron: nice to meet you then :)
    Wester Kiranov: yes, i know
    Wester Kiranov: and nice to meet you
    Caledonia Heron: the group is so big now I have not met everyone , and it keeps growing so I might not ever meet everyone :)
    Becka Finesmith: lol - I don't feel so new anymore :)
    Caledonia Heron: good! it's a very welcoming group - one of it's endearing qualities
    Becka Finesmith: I agree. Everyone is lovely :)



    Becka Finesmith: I had an interesting experience today in the office
    Caledonia Heron: do tell, do tell :)
    Becka Finesmith: I have set my PDA tosound the chime every 15 minutes
    Becka Finesmith: My work colleagues asked what it was for
    Becka Finesmith: So I told them
    Becka Finesmith: I noticed (Out of the corner of my eye) that every 15 minutes, they where stopping with me
    Caledonia Heron: lol, awesome!!
    Becka Finesmith: We had such a busy morning I think they were happy for the break away
    Wester Kiranov: that's great
    Becka Finesmith: It was really funny to start with but it was nice that they shared the experience
    Caledonia Heron: it would be interesting to note if productivity improves :) not sure how you'd quantify that but you could observe subjectively, a group improvement in results or morale :)
    Becka Finesmith: I really think they found it helpful to
    Becka Finesmith: THat would be interesting - I'm not there much unfortunately so it would be hard to tell.
    Becka Finesmith: I'm sure that in cultures that practice group Tai Chi in the mornings, the relationships are healthier
    Caledonia Heron: yes, shared moments, shared time .... that's where connections and bonds are
    Becka Finesmith: Like here :)
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes, exactly



    Caledonia Heron: I came to the meeting at which you were the goc Becka - you were discussing emotions and being if I remember correctly
    Becka Finesmith: yes :)
    Caledonia Heron: any follow-on thoughts on that?
    Becka Finesmith: I got a lot out of that
    Becka Finesmith: Well, I've been trying to understand when emotions come from nowhere as a result
    Becka Finesmith: All I have noticed so far is that it stops me in my tracks
    Becka Finesmith: I got angry about something the other day - I can't remember what it was.
    Becka Finesmith: I stopped to question why and it made me realise I had no reason to feel that way
    Caledonia Heron: interesting
    Becka Finesmith: it was a very odd feeling
    Becka Finesmith: To be aware of those emotions but see them from a different perspective
    Caledonia Heron: if you mean to be so wrapped up in being one way and then in a moment to release it, I understand
    Caledonia Heron: I have been "training" myself to stop and drop when I have something that I'm turning something over and over in my mind ... sometimes it seems ceaselessly, looking at something, poking, trying to figure it out and then if I stop ....
    Caledonia Heron: really stop
    Caledonia Heron: and let go
    Caledonia Heron: I can release it .... to nothingness and rest my mind
    Caledonia Heron: then afterward I am free to look at whatever it was in a fresh way, sometimes to create a solution
    Becka Finesmith: That's interesting. I was saying something similiar to Pema theother day
    Becka Finesmith: I can't let problems go until they are solved
    Becka Finesmith: even to the poinht of not sleeping
    Caledonia Heron: that's what we think
    Caledonia Heron: but, in fact you can let something go at any time
    Becka Finesmith: and often when you exhaust yourself and finally release yourself, A solution comes immediately
    Caledonia Heron: yes sometimes a solution
    Caledonia Heron: or, you create the space to let whatever it is merely be what it is without fussing
    Becka Finesmith nods



    Becka Finesmith: We don't really know ourselves to well do we?
    Caledonia Heron: I think we do know ourselves
    Caledonia Heron: but don't see ourselves
    Becka Finesmith: Do you think we pull the wool over our own eyes?
    Caledonia Heron: sometimes - sometimes on purpose and others without realizing it
    Sonic Moonites: hello
    Becka Finesmith: Hi Sonic
    Wester Kiranov: hi
    Caledonia Heron: hey there Sonic :)
    Caledonia Heron: hey there stevenaia :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, caledonia, it has been a while
    Becka Finesmith: Hi Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: let me know if I'm sitting on someone
    Caledonia Heron: yes, it has :) nice to see you :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Becka, nice to met you



    Becka Finesmith: I also noticed today, because I have been very rigorous about the practice, that when I'm busy the 15 minutes are closer together :)
    Caledonia Heron: I think you're ok and not sitting on anyone :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: thnx
    Caledonia Heron: compressing time in rl too huh? :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Becka, is the the 15 inutes that ate closer ot the time between that you reflect on the 9 seconds that fills the gaps?
    Becka Finesmith: lol - It's funny though - Does that mean time really changes or just my perception of it? Either way - It's interesting
    stevenaia Michinaga: becka, pardon my typing... a personal issue with my fingers and the keyboard
    Becka Finesmith: PEBKEK ;)
    Caledonia Heron: well, if you really want to go for it about time .... I'll stand on the square of no time and that it's a shared perception we impose :)
    Becka Finesmith: yes. I can say that 15 minutes felt like 5 and everyone would still agree it was 15
    Becka Finesmith: It's all relative I guess
    Becka Finesmith: what does it really matter
    Becka Finesmith: If two people could be aware of the same timeframe - would be get differing amounts of work done?
    Becka Finesmith: A way of making us more productive
    Becka Finesmith: :)
    Becka Finesmith: be less busy
    Becka Finesmith: (I think I just made a profound statement ;) )
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    Caledonia Heron: :)



    Caledonia Heron: it's interesting about timeframes ... think about when you go on vacation ... really on vacation like no email, etc ... and you get in a flow with your vacation buddies ... that whole synched timeframe is like a bubble that you especially notice when you come home ... it pops and you're in another time which shows how relative time can be
    Caledonia Heron: there's lots of examples where you get time shifted and if/when you shift to another time it really wallops you
    Becka Finesmith: I can't remember my last vacation :(
    Wester Kiranov: but then you could try to see "normal" time as a bubble too, not as "real"
    Caledonia Heron: Exactly Wester!! it's all a bubble!!
    Caledonia Heron: a made up bubble
    Caledonia Heron: bubbles
    Becka Finesmith: Which means that all the time pressures we put ourselves under are illusionary
    stevenaia Michinaga: bubble ...as in temporary type of perception?
    Caledonia Heron: there's a bubble theory of the universe :)
    Wester Kiranov: There's this Buddhist slogan "regard everything as a dream"
    Caledonia Heron: a created sphere of reality stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like something we all carry
    Caledonia Heron: yes, perhaps a dream and a dream in a dream in a dream ad infinitum
    Becka Finesmith: recursive reality
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: or a reality looking at a reality
    Caledonia Heron: it sounds plausible and... when/if you stop and drop, all this explaining falls away :)
    Becka Finesmith: trying to explain something that doesn't really exist
    Becka Finesmith: something that isn't physical
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it simpifies much of how we see



    This part was funny if you were there .... avs running around in hair on fire mode...


    Caledonia Heron: it's funny - there's this saying they teach little kids in school about what to do if there's a fire ... stop, drop and roll - the stop and drop thing reminds me of that
    Becka Finesmith nods
    Wester Kiranov: they also say you should practice as if your hair were on fire (i think)
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps 9 secs every 15 minutes?
    Wester Kiranov: so maybe the fire practice is a good reminder
    Becka Finesmith: I'd be running out screaming then :( RL has intervened :( I have to leave. Thank you for the chat. It's been really interesting
    Wester Kiranov: bye
    Becka Finesmith: namaste
    Caledonia Heron: nice to speak with you too Becka :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Becka
    Becka Finesmith: And you Caledonia, everyone :)
    Becka Finesmith: Bye
    Caledonia Heron: hair on fire? :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Caledonia Heron: stop drop and roll!!
    stevenaia Michinaga: reality on fire.. stop drop and see
    Caledonia Heron: LOL
    Wester Kiranov: right
    Becka Finesmith: onigokko
    Caledonia Heron: good one
    Caledonia Heron: LOL
    Becka Finesmith: told ya
    Caledonia Heron: onigokko
    Becka Finesmith: stop
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Caledonia Heron: hilarious!!



    Wester Kiranov: i needed that
    Wester Kiranov: stop
    Becka Finesmith: lol
    Caledonia Heron: my office buddy wonders why I'm laughing :)
    Becka Finesmith: lol - Hair on fire tell them
    stevenaia Michinaga: I love sl on scripts
    Wester Kiranov: i think you have to turn off animations
    Becka Finesmith: anyway - See ya later :)
    Caledonia Heron: I did - they're laughing with me :)
    Caledonia Heron: bye :)



    stevenaia Michinaga: always nice hearing someone who focuses on the 9 seconds regularly
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m happy to take that time at these meetings and reflect on them here
    Caledonia Heron: you mean on the 1/4 hour? yes :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: for at least somr of the 1/4 hours
    Caledonia Heron: for sure, whatever works for you I think
    Wester Kiranov: rl intervening - my kids need me now. bye
    Caledonia Heron: nice to see you Wester :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Wester
    Wester Kiranov: namaste
    Caledonia Heron: hi to the kids [waving]
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you
    Wester Kiranov: see you later
    stevenaia Michinaga: wait till they are teens, they sleep till n oon
    Caledonia Heron: lol, true
    stevenaia Michinaga: are you in Europe, you said you were working?
    Caledonia Heron: I'm in my home office and we had a sleepover with friends so they are working in my office too plus my daughter is practicing piano so it's a real jamboree going on in here :)
    Caledonia Heron: to answer your question, I'm in the U.S.
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, I will be heading into that later at my brothers
    Caledonia Heron: fun!
    Caledonia Heron: oh, and the 2 year old "helping" practice piano
    stevenaia Michinaga: unfortunately the bird has never been as good as at home
    Caledonia Heron: take charge!! cook that bird! :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we have tried, sister insists
    Caledonia Heron: lol, oh well :)
    Caledonia Heron: I have given the bird to my daughter this year, I am queen of pies :)
    Caledonia Heron: there's always room for pie :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: make your own crust?
    Caledonia Heron: yes
    Caledonia Heron: and bought also
    Caledonia Heron: mix and match :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sign of a true pie maker, my spouse does all from scratch
    stevenaia Michinaga: sons friends are stupified if it doesn't come out of a box
    Caledonia Heron: ahhh, well there's no acounting for taste
    stevenaia Michinaga: but they have no problem eating it
    Caledonia Heron: ha ha
    Caledonia Heron: an observation that translates to many things



    stevenaia Michinaga: was never fond of that water feature
    Caledonia Heron: it's nice there's options - something for everyone - don't like the fountain? presto! it's something else :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, well thought out
    Caledonia Heron: funny - someone's spinning the blues - think the party has started already :)
    Caledonia Heron: cool, thx for the lm :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: here's a Thanksgiving day distraction
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you can't make it to NYC for the parade
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    Caledonia Heron: I live in a kind of party town - there's a rock and roll parade Sat
    stevenaia Michinaga: college town?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, a big college, capital, high tech, fitness, 6K musicians .... lots going on
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice when there are options nearby
    stevenaia Michinaga: well I need to move on, nice running into you
    Caledonia Heron: ok, same here ... pies are calling :)
    Caledonia Heron: nice to see you :)
    Caledonia Heron: Happy Thanksgiving :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have a pumpkin cheesecake to consume today
    Caledonia Heron: mmmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: happy thanksgiving
    Caledonia Heron: to you also :)
    Caledonia Heron: bye :)

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