2008.11.28 07:00 - The mysterious 12 and 21

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    When I (Quen) entered the pavillion Fael was there. Looking like this:


    You: hi Fael!
    You: you look impressive today
    Fael Illyar: Ah, hi Quen :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you.'
    Fael Illyar: somehow felt like using my flashiest outfit recently.
    You: mmm you felt in a flashy mood as it is the darkest season of the year perhaps?
    Fael Illyar: possibly :)
    You: it radiates
    Fael Illyar: it does look like wintertime does have kind of dampening effect.
    Fael Illyar: oh, phonecall
    You: yes, ah ok take your time

    Moon enters.

    You: hello Moon!
    Fael Illyar: I don't look that good, do I? :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
    You: can I place a snapshot on the lag Fael! on the contrary I think you look brilliant
    Moon Fargis: greetngs
    Fael Illyar: IF you wish :)
    You: :-) of course
    Moon Fargis: ahh fael you changed
    You: how are you Moon?
    You: she looks nice and flashy not?
    Moon Fargis: im fine :)
    Moon Fargis: and you ?
    You: me too
    You: though I don
    Moon Fargis: you flashy fael :)
    You: t like the short days..
    Fael Illyar is a bit flashy sometimes :P
    Fael Illyar: but this is the outfit for which I designed this shape for :P
    Fael Illyar: a few months ago :)
    You: wow you designed the shape yourself?
    Fael Illyar: yes :)
    Fael Illyar: body shape that is

    And Pema joins too.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
    You: I see
    You: hi Pema!
    You: how is your day?
    Fael Illyar: not the outfit in case you were thinking that :)
    You: ;-) I do like the outfit
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael, Quen, Moon!
    Moon Fargis: hi pema!
    You: how nice all our first names are 4 characters
    Pema Pera: :-)
    You: and we are four
    Pema Pera: :)
    You: and its 16.16 here
    Pema Pera: Few people realize how inconvenient long first names are, when they first get into SL and have to choose an avatar name . . . .
    You: gosh
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    You: indeed! exactly my though
    Pema Pera: Quen the numerologist!
    You: picked the most efficient last name available
    You: and went for short
    You: lol
    Pema Pera: oh!
    You: I have some freakish thing with numbers
    You: lol Oh!!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Moon Fargis: quen, know something about the numbers 12 and 21 ?
    Fael Illyar: I don't know how I picked mine. I just spent an hour pondering about different names and looking for surnames that felt like they match
    Fael Illyar: yes, if you add them together, you get 33 :P
    You: well don't know what you mean, Moon?
    You: lol
    You: indeed
    Pema Pera: we all know something . . .

    Kitanas Raviprakash visits in the numbermania.

    You: 3x4 and 3x7, and 3x3 between them...
    You: hello Kitanas
    Pema Pera: Hi Kitanas!
    You: nice to meet you
    Kitanas Raviprakash: hey there
    Pema Pera: Come join us if you like
    Fael Illyar: Hello Kitanas
    Moon Fargis: quen: ah dunno just let you ponder a bit over these
    Moon Fargis: hi kitanas
    Kitanas Raviprakash: hello
    Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Kitanas?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: once, yes
    You: nice to see you back then!
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I wondered over from the next place over :)
    Kitanas Raviprakash: what are you talking about?
    Pema Pera: ah, no need for an introduction then :)
    Fael Illyar: talking about numbers 12 and 21.
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Fael Illyar: Well, so far the only thing we got is that they make 33 :P
    Kitanas Raviprakash: huh ... interesting
    Pema Pera: normally we talk more about how to view the world and ourselves . . . .
    Pema Pera: . . . . appreciating what appears as it appears
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I like that too ...
    Pema Pera: does that make some sense?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: well, aer you appraching it as numeralgy?
    Moon Fargis: well we play as being :)
    Pema Pera: oh no, we were just being silly
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I understand that
    Pema Pera: we = Moon, as usual
    Kitanas Raviprakash: :) silly's good
    Pema Pera understands more why "lunatic" is connected with the word "moon"
    Kitanas Raviprakash: LOL
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Moon Fargis: im not silly!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: you're good!
    Pema Pera: according to Kitanas
    Kitanas Raviprakash: silly is a good thing. Much better than being serious all the time

    Moon changes his ava into a small cuddly bear.

    You: lol
    Pema Pera: yeah, that's the Play in Play as Being, the name of our group
    You: Moon you are cute
    Pema Pera: Being is a wee bit harder to explain :)
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    quen Oh pets Moon
    Moon Fargis gave you lolipop 1.3 big(wear).
    Kitanas Raviprakash: being is having to know yourself first, shed off all the things other people put on you to be ... no expectations, no assumptions (by what I've experienced)
    You: lol thank you...
    Pema Pera: yes!!
    You: why not have a lollipop to go with my RL tea
    Kitanas Raviprakash: sometimes a hard thing to do though
    Pema Pera: Have you had a chance to look at our web site, Kitanas? http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Kitanas Raviprakash: eep
    Kitanas Raviprakash: hehe
    Pema Pera: yes, it seems hard
    Pema Pera: but in fact is easier than easy . . . .
    Pema Pera: nothing to reach for
    Kitanas Raviprakash: mmm thank you ... lollipop
    Kitanas Raviprakash: true. I had a nice duration of about 3 months of living that way once ... trying to get there again amongst all the chaos
    Pema Pera: how did you fall into that, at that time?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: cleaned the slate one could say .. had time for myself to relax.
    Moon Fargis: ahh thats good
    Kitanas Raviprakash: Now I don't have much time for self even after a 9 day work day
    Moon Fargis: but
    Moon Fargis: maybe 9 secs :)
    quen Oh is sorry to hear that
    Kitanas Raviprakash: well thing is, I forgot hwo to be "here/now" lol
    Moon Fargis: is it important ?
    Moon Fargis: to always know ?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: yep, being here, now means being where you are at this time ... past is done, future will take care of tiself
    Fael Illyar: important? not really, just more comfortable :)
    Moon Fargis: and now try to forget the terms present past and future
    Moon Fargis: is it still important ?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: being here now is to be Self in the present
    Pema Pera: what we try to do is to stop for 9 seconds roughly every 15 minutes -- have you tried that perhaps?
    Fael Illyar: past, present and future are all imagination.
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I found that I had more control over things and much less frustration when I practiced "here/now"
    Kitanas Raviprakash: what it means is .. here = all places are here, now = all times are now. If that makes sense
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Fael Illyar: See the stories as what they are, stories and it'll be no problem.
    Pema Pera: very much so
    Moon Fargis: ahhh now i understand what you mean
    Kitanas Raviprakash: *smile*
    Moon Fargis: where are you now ?
    Kitanas Raviprakash: um ... floating over a pillow for some reason
    Kitanas Raviprakash: must be the rez thing
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: /mee giggles "i see what you dont see" and turns around
    Kitanas Raviprakash: or a teddy bear with powers to uplift people
    Pema Pera: back to normal :-)
    Kitanas Raviprakash: what about yourselves
    Moon Fargis: hmm normal
    Kitanas Raviprakash: *no such thing*
    Moon Fargis: we are not normmal :)
    Moon Fargis: and thats good :)
    You: strong bear
    Kitanas Raviprakash: true ... people are so unaware of the things around them that don't clink, beep, or do things for them
    You: I am normal
    You: ;-)
    Pema Pera: may I ask, Kitanas, how did you realize that space and time do not impose separation, that all is here and now?
    Fael Illyar: what's "normal"?
    Moon Fargis: quen: prove it!:)
    You: at least in my perspective I got used to me
    Pema Pera: :)
    You: well other people are thinking and seeing different than normal ;-)
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I've always had a sense of it, but it didn't become realized until I met a wiccan priest who taught me things before I moved on to other things
    You: they live in another normal
    You: but the opposite is true too, my normal is absurd
    Moon Fargis: maybe its normal... not to be normal
    Pema Pera: That's great, Kitanas, to experience that -- yes, once you see that, it can help you for the rest of your life
    Kitanas Raviprakash: I learned about "slowing" ... where, if you focus on the moment and take your time with it, everything else falls into place. Something else I need to make into a habit again
    stevenaia Michinaga is Online
    Pema Pera: ah, here we talk about stopping, another way to point that out
    Pema Pera: did you read about our approach to stopping?
    You: interesting Kitanas
    Moon Fargis will never stop stealing pemas scissors
    Pema Pera: ??
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*

    Stevenaia visits us too.

    Moon Fargis: ahh was it shears
    quen Oh looks at Moon: now don't even think of cutting Pema's hair with them
    Kitanas Raviprakash: not yet, Pema. Again, not much time ... *rolls eyes* and where do I find your literature?
    You: hello stevenaia
    Moon Fargis: ohh literature
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Moon Fargis: hi steve
    Kitanas Raviprakash: thanks
    Moon Fargis: here you got a LM of the pab library
    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
    Moon Fargis: but you also can have a look at the pab wiki
    Moon Fargis: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Pema Pera: our basic practice is very simple
    Pema Pera: in RL we stop for 9 seconds
    Pema Pera: once every 15 minutes
    Pema Pera: if you do that a few hours a day
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Fael, Moon, Pema, quen
    Pema Pera: it takes only the time it takes to brush your teeth, in total
    You: hi steve!
    Pema Pera: can't say you don't have time to do that :-)
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Pema Pera: So that is how we learn to stop/slow down -- trading duration for frequency of practice
    You: the only problem can be to remember it, or to it when you are not alone
    Kitanas Raviprakash: sorry, interruption
    You: during lectures not a good idea
    Pema Pera: oh, you can do it during lectures
    Pema Pera: don't stop the talking
    Pema Pera: but stop the identification with being a talker
    You: really?
    Pema Pera: try it, you'll like it!
    You: amazing
    Pema Pera: yes, a more subtle stopping
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    You: what is that like Pema?
    Pema Pera: try it!
    Pema Pera: you tell me :-)
    Pema Pera: then we can compare notes
    You: I ask you ;-)
    Pema Pera: I can *try* to say it but it will be hard to get the meaning
    Pema Pera: it is like
    Pema Pera: hmmm
    Pema Pera: feeling much lighter, freeer
    You: well I can see whether or not I recognise it
    Pema Pera: opener
    Pema Pera: less tied done to a role
    Pema Pera: but really, the point is to explore it for yourself
    You: ah ok
    You: well I have sometime very spontaneous these reactions
    Pema Pera: there are soooo many degrees of freedom that we never explore!
    Pema Pera: yes, Quen
    You: that is more like I am watching myself from a SL point of view though
    Pema Pera: they happen all the time, . . . but we forget
    You: it's terrible how much we forget
    Pema Pera: real insight, seeing, does not fit in our memory categories . . .
    Cerra Wilder is Online
    Kitanas Raviprakash: on the wiki, I see your meeting times. I'm going to have to go ... but would like to take advantage of meeting up again soon.
    Pema Pera: any time, Kitanas!
    Pema Pera: Nice to meet you
    Fael Illyar: See you later Kitanas :)
    Kitanas Raviprakash: omg, that's so cute ...
    You: bye Kitanas
    Kitanas Raviprakash: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Kitanas
    Fael Illyar scratches Moon behind the ears.
    Kitanas Raviprakash: be well all
    Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
    Pema Pera: you too Kitanas

    Kitanas leaves. Fael is now petting the cuddly bear.

    Moon Fargis: ahh fael
    Moon Fargis: btw
    Moon Fargis: do you know wich lsl command isused for changing the color of a object ?
    Fael Illyar: yes, llSetColor
    You: gosh you are now both radiating Moon and Fael
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar ponders, does it really have to do with the outfit?
    Moon Fargis: good radiation dont worry

    Motion, turning nice pirouettes.

    Pema Pera: Hi Motion!
    Motion Ort: hi pema
    You: I am sure Moon
    You: hi Motion! nice performance
    Motion Ort: performance?
    Pema Pera: Welcome, and join us if you like!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Motion
    Motion Ort: hi fael
    Fael Illyar: when you teleport when in a poseball, everyone else, except you will see you still moving as if you were still in the poseball
    Motion Ort: i'm confused but ok :)
    Fael Illyar: Well mostly, looked like you were dancing :)
    Fael Illyar: until you sat down
    Motion Ort: lol i haven't been dancing all day today... strange...
    Pema Pera: have you been here before, Motion?
    Motion Ort: no.... i was just exploring
    Pema Pera: let me tell you about our group in IM, then the others can continue their conversation
    Motion Ort: ok
    You: well I witnessed nice pirouettes
    You: so Moon...
    You: about 12 and 21??
    stevenaia Michinaga: Unfortunately I must go now, see you soon
    Fael Illyar: See you later Steve :)
    You: bye stevenaia

    Stevenaia left.

    Pema Pera: have you been exploring many places in SL so far, Motion?
    Motion Ort: a few... although i'm having bad luck today finding fun places...
    Pema Pera wonders how this will stimulate Moon, to make our group more fun . . . .
    Motion Ort: i did go ice skating earlier.... but everything since then... has been very uncomfortable...
    Pema Pera: yeah, there is a lot in SL . . . . this seems like a comfortable group :-)
    Motion Ort: now that i think about it... i never did "stop" ice skating before i teleported away from there... thats probably what you saw when i tp in
    Pema Pera: yes, looked like ballet :)
    You: you like motion Motion? iceskating, dancing?
    You: there should be a rollercoaster in SL I heard
    Motion Ort: yes... i like the flow...
    Pema Pera: (I have to take off, good seeing you all !)
    You: ah that explains
    You: bye Pema!
    Motion Ort: bye pema... nice to meet you
    Pema Pera: by everybody!
    Pema Pera: Nice meeting you, Motion

    Pema had to go, and though still very very curious about the 12 and 21, I have to leave too.

    You: gosh it's also time for me to leave... time flies here..
    You: very nice to meet you Motion, hope to see you more often here!
    Fael Illyar: See you later Quen :)
    Motion Ort: thank you quen... you too :)
    You: and hope to be told by Moon sometime the 12 and 21 mystery...
    You: bye Motion, Fael and Moon
    Moon Fargis: ok :)
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