2008.12.22 19:00 - Both 13 and 17 are Prime Numbers

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    Threedee was the guardian this evening.  Adelene sent me, Pema, the chat log, I put it up and added a title.

    stevenaia Michinaga: like- religion poople
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ade
    stevenaia Michinaga: people
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Threedee Shepherd: We celebrated 1st Night Hannukkah yesterday with family. On xmas, we have a bagels and lox lunch
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol, nicely integrated
    Adelene Dawner is probably not going to actually celebrate Christmas this year.
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome to my world
    Adelene Dawner: oh?
    stevenaia Michinaga: never celibrate Christmas, most wish they gould somehow get out of it, i say...converst
    stevenaia Michinaga: convert
    Threedee Shepherd: Hello Susi
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi susi, thought you were out of town
    Susi Alcott: hi Threedee, Adelene, steve
    Susi Alcott: ah
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Threedee Shepherd: So, any interesting seasonal Being?
    Susi Alcott: there is such bug
    Susi Alcott: dont remember it's name
    Susi Alcott: it lives 4 years under ground
    Adelene Dawner: cicada?
    Susi Alcott: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought that was 7 years
    Adelene Dawner: They vary, by species I think.
    Susi Alcott: I may know wrong the amount of the years
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes, there are various cycles
    Susi Alcott: could they be taken to be interesting seasonal Being :)*
    Threedee Shepherd: wikipedia: "After mating, the female cuts slits into the bark of a twig, and into these she deposits her eggs. She may do so repeatedly, until she has laid several hundred eggs. When the eggs hatch, the newborn nymphs drop to the ground, where they burrow. Most cicadas go through a life cycle that lasts from two to five years. Some species have much longer life cycles, e.g., such as the North American genus, Magicicada, which has a number of distinct "broods" that go through either a 17-year or, in the American South, a 13-year life cycle. These long life cycles are an adaptation to predators such as the cicada killer wasp and praying mantis, as a predator could not regularly fall into synchrony with the cicadas. Both 13 and 17 are prime numbers, so while a cicada with a 15-year life cycle could be preyed upon by a predator with a three- or five-year life cycle, the 13- and 17-year cycles allow them to stop the predators falling into step"
    Adelene Dawner: oh, neat!
    Threedee Shepherd: Mathematical insects
    Adelene Dawner: yes!
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting
    stevenaia Michinaga: it does show the variablility of time
    Threedee Shepherd: Actually, I would have said it shows the dependability and regularity of time
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, some thing from a differenct perspective, one bug varies the cycle for the other
    stevenaia Michinaga: same
    Threedee Shepherd: For this biologist, the wonder is how they accurately keep track of the time?
    Susi Alcott: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: cycles=years, the ones that work don;t get eaten live on
    Susi Alcott: do they ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: bugs and biologists
    Susi Alcott: thinking it's the prosess that takes the certain 'time'
    Adelene Dawner: That says why they do it... how is a different question.
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, but what about their growth and physiology syncs with years until "something:" has built up?
    Susi Alcott: well, what else might they do under ground but grow 'to been build up' ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: if there were many cycles, some get eaten, the prime year cycle are what;s left
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, what do us human's note about arising cycles of different types?
    Adelene Dawner: Yes - that's why. How do they make cycles in the first place?
    Threedee Shepherd: Yes, that's how it came to be. I am looking for the "clock"
    Susi Alcott: or is it human which 'does' cycles ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: seasons have an affect on everything
    Threedee Shepherd: seasons, years, lunar, daily, what else?
    stevenaia Michinaga: 9 seconds
    Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
    Susi Alcott: 3x3 cycles
    Threedee Shepherd: Haley's comet
    Susi Alcott: what are seasons that effect ?
    Susi Alcott: or is it that human 'does' seasons too ?
    Susi Alcott: to explane 'something'
    Threedee Shepherd: semesters
    Susi Alcott: wonderfull seasons
    Threedee Shepherd: For 60 years, from age 5 to 65, I lived my life on the semester system
    Threedee Shepherd: Interesting, that hominids evolved so near the equator in africa that seasons were barely relevant, other than rain cycles
    Susi Alcott: U say 'lived'
    Susi Alcott: so what made the change ?
    Threedee Shepherd: I'm retired from teaching
    Susi Alcott: ty
    Susi Alcott: so you have no seasons anymore ?
    Threedee Shepherd: Seasons, yes. Semesters, no ;D
    Susi Alcott: how many seasons you have 'today' ?
    Threedee Shepherd: The usual yearly ones. And then ther is the shifting overlay of the "seasons" of aging and shifting responsibilities.
    Threedee Shepherd: *there
    Susi Alcott: I've let ppl to tell me that human life has normally three seasons
    stevenaia Michinaga: what are they?
    Susi Alcott: I dont know
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Adelene Dawner wonders if North Carolina will have proper seasons - here in NJ we often sem to skil fall entirely.
    Susi Alcott: because in 'my' world people use to chooce also the season they live the certain incarnation
    Adelene Dawner: *skip
    Adelene Dawner: ...say more, Susi? That doesn't quite make sense.
    Susi Alcott: as quickly thinking it would be easy to understand those ppl to mean childhood, adulthood and long lived age
    Susi Alcott: but in case there are three seasons in human life
    Susi Alcott: that cannot be true to all of the people
    Threedee Shepherd: The Oedipus riddle
    Susi Alcott: but maybe there is like three books
    Susi Alcott: at first it's written
    Susi Alcott: then read
    Susi Alcott: then learned
    Threedee Shepherd: was, is, will be
    Adelene Dawner grins. "This has come up before, in a way - not as seasons, but as age, unrelated to how many years one has lived. (By that measuer, I may be the oldest one here...)
    Susi Alcott: or how many minutes
    Threedee Shepherd: we "spiral" through a linear life cyclically, prhaps
    Threedee Shepherd: with many included mini-cyclic spirals
    Susi Alcott: agree
    Threedee Shepherd: and interesting picture of winding and unwinding spirals fills my mind at the moment (Ade take note for drawing).
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn't a spiral jsut a curved line
    Threedee Shepherd: I'm thinking in three dimensions
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, with time but it's still linear when unrolled
    stevenaia Michinaga: just moves through time
    Susi Alcott: they say that everything in space is winding
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, however, that is not the way it is perceived, if we think of cycles and seasons. Interestingly, time is apparently NOT thought of in any useful way I know, as fractal.
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is certainly more beautiful that way
    Susi Alcott: what is 'time'
    Threedee Shepherd: There are spirals within the spirals, analogous perhaps to the epicycles of an earth centered planetary system
    Threedee Shepherd: Time is change
    Susi Alcott: but human is not tightly connected to earth
    Threedee Shepherd: Time is the regular vibration of atoms
    Adelene Dawner needs to afk - back shortly.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, everything spins and move around something on earth and the galaxcy
    Susi Alcott: earth has her 'own' 'time'---rhytm---seasons
    Threedee Shepherd: So does the sun--sunspots
    Susi Alcott: agree
    Susi Alcott: but all planets and such are more connected to each other than human being
    Susi Alcott: because human can do much 'own' 'time'
    Susi Alcott: because human is the creator
    Threedee Shepherd: menstrual cycle and moon
    Susi Alcott: not tightly connected that either
    Threedee Shepherd: close enuf
    Susi Alcott: there's much exeptions what comes to human being
    stevenaia Michinaga: tides in the ocean and in ourselves
    Threedee Shepherd: do humans "create" or "manipulate"
    Susi Alcott: think that both
    Threedee Shepherd: yup tides are part of the lunar thing
    stevenaia Michinaga: but not so much on a monthy basis
    Susi Alcott: moon's effect creates the tides yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: lumar month
    Threedee Shepherd: Perhaps the only stuff humans have created are the "high number" elements ?
    Susi Alcott: to my understanding people create something almost all the time
    Threedee Shepherd: heartbeat, breathing rate
    Susi Alcott: heartbeat and breathing rate one can change
    Susi Alcott: and create different 'time'
    Threedee Shepherd: everything "physical" is *made* of something already existing. Perhaps it is only the non-physical stuff like language, poetry, and the like that are truly created?
    Susi Alcott: low heartbeat and breath creates peacfull time
    Adelene Dawner: language and poetry are made from thoughts, which are made from... body rhythms?
    Susi Alcott: one can create thoughts to lower them
    Threedee Shepherd: I do not know what thought *are*, only how they *seem*
    Susi Alcott: body rhytm surely can create thougts too
    Threedee Shepherd: mmmm
    Susi Alcott: the same thought as shared can also create different kind of bodyrhytms
    Threedee Shepherd: 4-times daily PaB
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice spirol Ade
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Susi Alcott: was nice to create peacfull time with you
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, thanks Three, night Susi, Ade
    Threedee Shepherd: Well, friends, it seems like we have managed to cycle through another hour of PaB. I will carry the idea of spiral into the next while.
    Threedee Shepherd: goodnight
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^

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