2008.12.29 13:00 - In Being, There is Openness and Nonattachment.

    Table of contents
    No headers

    Stim was the guardian that night. He sent me, Pema, the chat log, which I put up. I also provided the title.

    Stim Morane: Hi Wester
    Wester Kiranov: hi stim
    Stim Morane: how are you today?
    Wester Kiranov: I'm OK, a bit tired. How are you?
    Stim Morane: the same.
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    Stim Morane: Hi Lia and Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Stim, Lia and Wester :)
    Stim Morane: So ... any observations, questions, asides?
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Corvi :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I'm not sure what I know what to ask Stim :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Corvi!
    Stim Morane: It's fine just to sit, of course.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all
    Lia Rikugun: if find it difficult to stop every 15 minutes for me it is easier to take 10 minutes time during the day
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    Adams Dubrovna: wb Corvi :)
    Wester Kiranov: I actually find it easier to stop every 15 minutes - not through all the day, but the quieter parts
    Stim Morane: Lia, you mean you spend about 10 consecutive minutes on the exercise?
    Lia Rikugun: i did today yes
    Adams Dubrovna: I find sometimes it is easy to stop and other times it is better to do longer stops less frequently
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Doug :
    Stim Morane: Hi Doug
    Lia Rikugun: i somehow have the impression i can have a "deeper" feeling
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    doug Sosa: hi all.
    Wester Kiranov: Lia: How is your experience different when you do 10 minutes at once?
    Lia Rikugun: i was am maybe more able to detach from every thoughts and problems i have
    Lia Rikugun: by taking more time
    Lia Rikugun: and leabing everything behind
    Lia Rikugun: leaving
    Lia Rikugun: detaching everything
    Lia Rikugun: how are your experiences?
    doug Sosa: is the purpose of PaB to deatch from everyhting,or to drop assumptions so we can see what is? Not to avoid but to encounter?
    Adams Dubrovna: we can see more clearly as we drop things
    Wester Kiranov: I don't think detachment is the point of PaB, although it does depend on exactly what you mean by detachement.
    Stim Morane: Yes.
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Tarmel :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hello alll
    Stim Morane: Hi Tarmel!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, (Doug I'm sorry I missed saying hi when you first got here) and Tarmel.
    Tarmel Udimo: no worries
    Lia Rikugun: so how would you define PaB wester
    Lia Rikugun: do you think i am not on the correct way?
    Lia Rikugun: if i detach from thoughts
    Adams Dubrovna: It seems to be there is no correct way Lia
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Wester Kiranov: words are so tricky here
    Lia Rikugun: or no wrong one
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Wester they are
    Wester Kiranov: But - would Being detach from things?
    Stim Morane: That is not possible.
    Stim Morane: But in Being, there is openness and nonattachment.
    Wester Kiranov: True - i forgot :)
    Stim Morane: Again, much depends on what we're saying when we use words like "detach".
    Stim Morane: Lia, your experience is consistent with traditional perspectives. It often does take time to settle down, regain composure and perspective.
    Stim Morane: The PaB “9 seconds every 15 minutes” approach may itself eventually make more sustained awareness in ordinary life possible, so the two orientations may merge.
    Lia Rikugun: tomorrow i will try the 9 secs 15 mins again
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: see what the differences may be
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Stim Morane: It's good to try different approaches.
    Stim Morane: Yes.
    Stim Morane: Each person is different.
    doug Sosa: ggggg
    Stim Morane: ?
    doug Sosa: oops, sorry.
    Stim Morane: I thought you had a text abbreviation I wasn't aware of.
    Stim Morane: :)
    doug Sosa: wish i had,no, dropped my mouse :)
    Tarmel Udimo: smiles
    Tarmel Udimo: not to drop the tone of PaB but can you believe another year is almost over?
    Lia Rikugun: :) yes wow in 2 days
    Stim Morane: I feel like I lost 7 months or so
    Adams Dubrovna still trying to realize he is living in a new millenium
    Lia Rikugun: why 7 months?
    Stim Morane: just an estimate. The year did go by very quickly for me.
    Lia Rikugun: haha ok
    Adams Dubrovna: I have been in PaB 7 months :)
    Stim Morane: Interesting ...
    Tarmel Udimo: new millenium - yes amazing remember all that fuss about computers rolling over in 2000?
    Tarmel Udimo: was there even SL then?
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: just checked SL was born in June 2003
    doug Sosa: i have been in the 9 sec perhaps 200 times. That is about half an hour :)
    Tarmel Udimo: its only 5 yeras old
    Tarmel Udimo: *years
    Lia Rikugun: 200 times? how mayn times per day :P
    Tarmel Udimo: could you give us an overview Doug?
    doug Sosa: oh beween zero and eight. av aout 2.
    doug Sosa: over view of ?
    Tarmel Udimo: your 200 9 secs Pabs
    doug Sosa: you mean what i learned?
    Wester Kiranov: I'm off for the dutch evening at kira café now - see you all later.
    Lia Rikugun: bye
    Adams Dubrovna: bye Wester :)
    Tarmel Udimo: bye wester
    Wester Kiranov: namaste
    doug Sosa: -/\-
    Tarmel Udimo: what you learned or any morsel you may wish to share doug
    doug Sosa: well. we each have a slightly diffent approah. for me it wa to keep doing what i am doing but
    doug Sosa: drop all assumptions, and observe without focus.
    doug Sosa: i found
    doug Sosa: that this easily becomes part of normal time and maes life a lot more relaxed and healthy feeling.
    doug Sosa: bout it.
    Lia Rikugun: relaxed
    Lia Rikugun: this is true for me too
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I found this too
    Lia Rikugun: how long have you been doing PaB tarmel?
    Tarmel Udimo: do you also meditate
    Tarmel Udimo: since I joined about 2 months
    Lia Rikugun: what have you learned tarmel?
    Lia Rikugun: or did u have any experiences you want to share with us?
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hummm its similer to Doug, I guess I don't limit myself to 9 secs
    Tarmel Udimo: its part of my daily 'work' to try and stay focused
    Tarmel Udimo: but what's great about PaB is its a short cut key for remembering to refocus
    Lia Rikugun: yes
    Lia Rikugun: and see everything more lightly
    Lia Rikugun: as an observer
    Lia Rikugun: somehow
    doug Sosa: slighly different. i use pab to unfocus,to take the tension of focu out,drop expectations and assumptions and *see*.
    Tarmel Udimo: better put - I should use the word see because that's what I meant by focus
    doug Sosa: impotant to undersand focus.t is a narrowing of the muscles of the eyes (and mind) to a particular part of the total field.it takes effort, and it is painful.
    doug Sosa: sometimes necessary but also costly.
    Adams Dubrovna: ouch
    Tarmel Udimo: yes execpt I do ind that one has to continuously refresh the seeing ie its not a habitual way for me yet
    Tarmel Udimo: perhaps this is too focused :-)
    Adams Dubrovna: as Stim noted, we have different needs
    doug Sosa: thtat's why 9 sec. it is enough to shift awareness and feel the greater encompasing of what is.
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: yes perhaps I am overdoing it
    Adams Dubrovna: It changes for me so often
    Adams Dubrovna: what I am doing that is
    Adams Dubrovna: I started knowing nothing about meditation
    Adams Dubrovna: and have had to learn things about myself along the way
    Tarmel Udimo: me too
    Adams Dubrovna: so it has been a bot more of a journey for me
    Adams Dubrovna: but
    Adams Dubrovna: bit
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Allan :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Allan
    Lia Rikugun: hello allan
    Allan Whiteberry: Hello eveyone
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I guess that's what I've been trying to do because ultimately in the seeing it is not an isolated moment in time
    Tarmel Udimo: hi corvi we lost you...
    Adams Dubrovna: wb Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: me nods..crashed.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks.
    Adams Dubrovna: I find the regular stopping gets me a little closer to that Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: closer to discovering more about yourself?
    Adams Dubrovna: closer to concentrating on the moment
    Adams Dubrovna: on the present
    Lia Rikugun: thats true we tend to live in the past and in teh future
    Lia Rikugun: this is what i realize too
    doug Sosa: interestng because neither exists.
    Lia Rikugun: the here and now
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    doug Sosa: here and now is also an idea.
    Allan Whiteberry: How long is the here and now?
    Allan Whiteberry: one minute?
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: an etgrnity Allan :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I am talking about the present moment by moment and many things arise within the present
    Allan Whiteberry: then it includes past and future
    doug Sosa: all thee are ideas,no? our experience is clear, but what is it? these words don't fit verywell.
    Adams Dubrovna: In the right fframe of mind it seems we can reach out and touch eternity
    Tarmel Udimo: we live in it
    doug Sosa: maybe even the presen :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    doug Sosa: the PaB for me is to relook at what is, to oen up to new ways of thiking about what we experience.
    Adams Dubrovna: appreciate the presentations of appearance :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I must go back to RL. bye evryone :)
    Lia Rikugun: bye
    Tarmel Udimo: bye adam
    Allan Whiteberry: bye Adam
    Stim Morane: Bye Adams
    Lia Rikugun: me too soon
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: he PaB for me is to relook at what is, to oen up to new ways of thiking about what we experience.
    Tarmel Udimo: yes this if ind too and within the looking do emotions arise for you doug?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: for me they do, Tarmel.
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    Sunyatta Navarathna: Hi
    Stim Morane: Hi Sunyatta
    Tarmel Udimo: hi sun
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi
    Allan Whiteberry: Hi
    Stim Morane: I will have to leave now. Thanks for the discussion everyone!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Stim.
    Tarmel Udimo: yes emotions arise for me and i tyr to see them with PaB eyes :-)
    Stim Morane: If you stay on for a while, would one of you send me the last bit of the log?
    Tarmel Udimo: bye stim
    Lia Rikugun: i think i need to leave too
    Tag page (Edit tags)
    You must login to post a comment.
    Powered by MindTouch Core