2009.01.19 01:00 - Ready to love… perhaps before an asteroid hits Earth

Gaya was the guardian on call for this session and comments are hers. Today’s discussion was particularly interesting to her as all participants are of Christian background to various degrees.

Gaya was joined by Adams shortly after the hourly bell.

Adams Dubrovna: Good morning Gaya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
Adams Dubrovna: Untimely awake
Adams Dubrovna: How are you?
Gaya Ethaniel nods. I can see that… Well thank you :)
Adams Dubrovna: Last night was a wash on SL
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I heard... [I couldn't log in again after dinner either]
Adams Dubrovna: I was just fixing some things that got messed up
Gaya Ethaniel: ah no... at the hall?
Adams Dubrovna: No notecards
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Adams Dubrovna: I was working on three at once and they got saved or not saved in various stages
Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
Gaya Ethaniel: I don't work within SL... for notecards
Adams Dubrovna: I like to write the travel guides on site
Gaya Ethaniel: I normally run Word at the same time or Notepad...
Adams Dubrovna: Ah, I would crash :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... even with those programmes?
Adams Dubrovna: not enough power :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry to hear it...

Adams and I discuss one of his recent blog entries on which we both made a few comments. One of my sisters, Antonia joins us.

Adams Dubrovna: We found out we missed an opportunity the other morning
Adams Dubrovna: We had an interesting thread in the comments on my blog
Gaya Ethaniel: About selves?
Gaya Ethaniel: And love?
Adams Dubrovna: and sin
Adams Dubrovna: and love :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Dubrovna: I'm not sure I'm up to it this morning
Gaya Ethaniel: You seem to have similar understanding as mine on that :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Antonia-chan :)
Adams Dubrovna: I do wonder if I am trying too hard
Gaya Ethaniel listens
Antonia Braveheart: oh, I thought I had to wear my outfit :P
Gaya Ethaniel: What are you 'trying'?
Antonia Braveheart: hello everyone
Gaya Ethaniel: It's PG here and you can wear whatever you'd like :)  As long as PG
Antonia Braveheart nods
Adams Dubrovna: I should say maybe I am looking too hard
Gaya Ethaniel: Adams is talking about a blog entry he made and I commented on Antonia. On love, selves, sin - http://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/self-full-and-redemption-217/
Adams Dubrovna: But it greatly interested me that you were seeing this in a similar way
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes
Gaya Ethaniel: Same here
Antonia Braveheart smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: Before I used to wonder what 'sin' and 'original sin' meant in the Bible
Antonia Braveheart listens carefully
Adams Dubrovna: The Garden of Eden story is suggestive of selves
Adams Dubrovna: The "self" comes between humans and God
Gaya Ethaniel: Adam and Eve became aware of themselves being naked after eating the fruit
Adams Dubrovna: but the Garden of Eden story is rather unforgiving on that score
Adams Dubrovna: Whereas we can still drop "self" and find God (in Christian terms)

Hana joins us :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Hana-chan :)
Hana Hendrassen: Hello
Antonia Braveheart: Hello Hana-chan ^^
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Hana :)
Hana Hendrassen: Hello ^_^
Hana Hendrassen: wow I actually know everyone this time
Adams Dubrovna: Well in Christian terms it is still possible
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Antonia Braveheart smiles @ Hana
Gaya Ethaniel: Let me make a notecard of what we just discussed Hana
Hana Hendrassen: ookinii
Hana Hendrassen: (sorry I'm late...)
Gaya Ethaniel: No problem :)
Adams Dubrovna: There is no late in PaB :)
Hana Hendrassen smiles
Adams Dubrovna: Unless one waits until the session is over
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Hana Hendrassen: that's true
Adams Dubrovna: Of course there is always another one
Hana Hendrassen: yes, so then you could be early
Gaya Ethaniel: Every 6 hours :)
Hana Hendrassen: very very very early
Hana Hendrassen laughs
Antonia Braveheart: I’d like to learn more ( I've just woken so, I feel a bit bewhizzled :P)
Gaya Ethaniel laughs!
Adams Dubrovna feeling very early
Hana Hendrassen: oh me too
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Antonia Braveheart: lolz
Gaya Ethaniel: What's the time there now Adams? mm... 4:30 am ish
Hana Hendrassen: it's 5 for you now Adams?
Adams Dubrovna: yup
Hana Hendrassen: wow
Antonia Braveheart: here its 10,30 am in Italy
Adams Dubrovna: 4:23
Gaya Ethaniel: 9:30 in UK
Hana Hendrassen: have you woken up or are you still up?
Adams Dubrovna: I woke up about 3
Hana Hendrassen: yikes
Antonia Braveheart: hey, maybe my friend wants to come
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure :)
Antonia Braveheart: can I tp him in that case?
Adams Dubrovna: Not my usual habit
Gaya Ethaniel: You got into 'regular' sleep pattern again recently. What woke you up?
Antonia Braveheart: (I might get changed in the meantime :P)
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure :)
Adams Dubrovna: Well I had a period of awaking in the middle of the night in October and November
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I remember
Hana Hendrassen: me... I just stay up insanely late
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Gaya Ethaniel looks up Adams' blog and notices an entry for today already
Hana Hendrassen: wow
Adams Dubrovna would rather not go into that now
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Hana Hendrassen smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: Probably you'd need time to let it sink in and untangle etc
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: Where was I...?
Antonia Braveheart: you have a blog?
Adams Dubrovna: Yes, it is mostly to keep a record of my experiences when I do the 9-second stops
Adams Dubrovna: Inadvertently it became public :)
Antonia Braveheart: this is great
Hana Hendrassen smiles
Adams Dubrovna: Somedays I get rather freeform about the stops
Adams Dubrovna: usually on weekends
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: That link I pasted above is Adams' blog Antonia :)
Adams Dubrovna: or weekdays :)
Antonia Braveheart nods
Antonia Braveheart: ok, I’ll have a look ^^
Gaya Ethaniel: Depending on the perspective I guess Adams :P

I finally remembered where we left off re: Adams’ blog. We discuss one of our favourite topics at PaB, love. Antonia tells us about ‘Italian love’ :) Even as I edit this log the day after, I’m still pondering on things some of us said here…

Gaya Ethaniel: Think there are other times when one can experience 'God' but in love, it's natural and somewhat 'easy' in my opinion
Adams Dubrovna: Yes, that is a very good way of putting it Gaya
Adams Dubrovna: and many would substitute the word Being for God in that sentence
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds trivial but I was glad we have similar understanding about 'God' and 'Love'
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes likely
Adams Dubrovna: It always is good when we can share similar experiences
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Antonia Braveheart smiles
Gaya Ethaniel: My understanding on Love being neutral has been helped a lot by understanding Buddhist term compassion in a way
Gaya Ethaniel: Some would use those two terms equally in that sense perhaps
Adams Dubrovna: I don't think love itself is neutral
Adams Dubrovna: At least not in English
Hana Hendrassen: neutral in what way..?
Adams Dubrovna: The love of God/Being may be neutral
Hana Hendrassen: between?
Adams Dubrovna: Well, when we love someone
Adams Dubrovna: there is the wonderful feeling that is all positive
Adams Dubrovna: and there is negative feeling too
Adams Dubrovna: jealousy
Adams Dubrovna: possessiveness
Adams Dubrovna: then in that love there is a neutral level
Gaya Ethaniel: No I am not talking about romantic love...
Adams Dubrovna: 'and that is the level that is permanent
Adams Dubrovna: Yes, Gaya I was trying to answer Hana
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Adams love has various qualities/levels
Hana Hendrassen: even without romantic love there's jealousy I would think
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: [I know I was answering Hana too]
Hana Hendrassen: so do you then mean that the love of God/Being is selfless?
Adams Dubrovna: In English we have only one word for all the kinds of love
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Adams Dubrovna: yes hana
Hana Hendrassen: oki
Hana Hendrassen: the concept of... agape I suppose
Gaya Ethaniel: Love of God/Being as well... and I have such love within myself also, not necessarily directed at Being
Adams Dubrovna: yes Hana
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Antonia Braveheart: in Italian, we have different kinds of love :P
Hana Hendrassen: oh?
Antonia Braveheart: different*
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Antonia Braveheart: it depends on who's addressed
Antonia Braveheart: to
Gaya Ethaniel listens with curiosity
Antonia Braveheart: for example, the kind of love for friends
Antonia Braveheart: it's " bene"
Gaya Ethaniel: Good?
Antonia Braveheart: yes
Hana Hendrassen nods...
Antonia Braveheart: when you say "ti voglio bene" it kinda means "I love you" but it is addressed to a friend
Antonia Braveheart: when we address to someone who love, or God as well....it is proper love..."amore"
Antonia Braveheart: "ti amo" means properly "I love you"
Hana Hendrassen: ah ^_^
Antonia Braveheart: ^_^
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... :)
Hana Hendrassen: like the song
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Adams Dubrovna: ty Antonia
Gaya Ethaniel: No wonder I've never seen 'ti voligio bene' in arias
Antonia Braveheart: yw ^^
Gaya Ethaniel: :P
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Hana Hendrassen: I think I have
Hana Hendrassen: somewhere
Gaya Ethaniel: oh?
Antonia Braveheart: it is more common to say " ti voglio bene" than " ti amo"
Hana Hendrassen: or maybe just parts of that
Hana Hendrassen: what does "voglio" mean?
Antonia Braveheart: it means literally
Antonia Braveheart: want
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: Think I've got too many tragic cruel love songs in Italian
Hana Hendrassen: like "I wish you well"
Antonia Braveheart: kind of
Hana Hendrassen: very cool
Antonia Braveheart: in philosophy many philosophers call the love for God "supreme love"
Adams Dubrovna: Buddhism seems to combine loves into compassion
Hana Hendrassen nods
Adams Dubrovna: extend agape into philos
Antonia Braveheart: :P
Gaya Ethaniel: Not all definitions of love as we are familiar perhaps?
Antonia Braveheart: what is agape?
Adams Dubrovna: yes Gaya. from different roots
Hana Hendrassen: agape is unconditional love
Adams Dubrovna: agape is love of God
Adams Dubrovna: and God's love too I think
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: Like love of mother to her child too selfless
Hana Hendrassen: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape
Hana Hendrassen: and philos is friendly love?
Adams Dubrovna: brotherly (sisterloy) love
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Hana Hendrassen: then eros... well... most people know what that one is *giggles*
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Antonia Braveheart nods
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Adams Dubrovna: we spend much of our thinking on that
Hana Hendrassen: true
Gaya Ethaniel: May I quote a verse from Dhammapada on love?
Hana Hendrassen: because it's the most accessible kind of love maybe?
Antonia Braveheart: sure Gaya-chan
Adams Dubrovna: yes please Gaya
Hana Hendrassen: yes please
Antonia Braveheart: I’d like to hear it
Gaya Ethaniel: And 'natural' too in a way because we are programmed to reproduce?
Gaya Ethaniel: Never by hatred is hatred conquered,
but by readiness to love alone.
This is eternal law.
Antonia Braveheart looks at Gaya and listens carefully
Gaya Ethaniel: Love in that verse sounds similar to love as we would understand easily
Hana Hendrassen nods
Gaya Ethaniel: Not taking sides perhaps is important in that
Antonia Braveheart: it's lovely
Hana Hendrassen: it rings similar to "Love thy neighbor as thyself"
Adams Dubrovna takes note of the 'readiness'
Gaya Ethaniel: Please say more Hana?
Hana Hendrassen: hmm...
Gaya Ethaniel: Readiness... awareness helps in that perhaps
Hana Hendrassen: hard to put into words
Adams Dubrovna: yes Hana...in the same vein
Adams Dubrovna: love as a key
Gaya Ethaniel: Love your neighbour as yourself also points to 'selflessness' I think
Hana Hendrassen: a key to living in harmony with your neighbor yes
Adams Dubrovna: Gaya, I was noting that it in the quote it is not the love itself but the willingness to love in the face of hatred
Gaya Ethaniel: ah yes that too :) That is not easy to do

SL is playing up again… Adams leaves to get some rest for the day.

Antonia Braveheart: ops Hana crashed...
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Antonia Braveheart sighs
Gaya Ethaniel: Or crashed into her bed :)
Hana Hendrassen is Online
Gaya Ethaniel: Or not. wb Hana :)
Antonia Braveheart: here she is :)
Adams Dubrovna: wb Hana
Antonia Braveheart: wb sister ^^
Hana Hendrassen: thank you
Adams Dubrovna: Our SL lives are very fragile
Hana Hendrassen grumbles some unladylike things about SL
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Antonia Braveheart laughs softly
Adams Dubrovna: but we can resurrect in SL and have many more
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Hana Hendrassen: true
Antonia Braveheart: and fly, for example
Hana Hendrassen: when it's not being absolutely intolerable
Adams Dubrovna: like last night
Hana Hendrassen: like all day today
Adams Dubrovna: Oh
Adams Dubrovna braces for long day
Hana Hendrassen: the grid status report page was updating every half hour
Gaya Ethaniel: mm...
Antonia Braveheart: true
Antonia Braveheart: I had trouble as well to log in several times
Adams Dubrovna rubs his eyes and yawns
Antonia Braveheart drinks coffee to wake up
Gaya Ethaniel: Coffee sounds good. I will go make some after :)
Hana Hendrassen: I just need to sleep
Antonia Braveheart: I made some espresso
Hana Hendrassen: but I'm still not tired
Adams Dubrovna: I think it is time for me to go back to sleep. It was very nice chatting with you all
Gaya Ethaniel: Good rest Adams :)
Hana Hendrassen: ok, nice to see you Adams :)
Antonia Braveheart: same here Adams
Hana Hendrassen: first time here actually
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Adams Dubrovna: Brightened up an otherwise dull, dark morning
Antonia Braveheart: nice to see you Adams
Gaya Ethaniel smiles. Thanks all for coming
Adams Dubrovna: bye :)
Hana Hendrassen: sleep well
Antonia Braveheart: night night ^^

This probably is the first session that went over an hour at Monday 1 am. Hana talks about her experiences at PaB.

Antonia Braveheart: it is lovely this thing
Gaya Ethaniel: You think? I'm glad
Hana Hendrassen nods
Hana Hendrassen: I haven't been in so long
Antonia Braveheart: it's like I’d like to have my "academia"
Gaya Ethaniel: It's not like this all the time Antonia :P
Antonia Braveheart: because, I want to open it here on SL some day
Gaya Ethaniel: We can go a bit... silly
Antonia Braveheart: of course ^^
Gaya Ethaniel: I know Hana I do miss seeing you here
Gaya Ethaniel: Open what Antonia?
Hana Hendrassen: I just get so lost in discussions most of the time
Antonia Braveheart: uhm
Antonia Braveheart: I’d like to build my "academia"
Gaya Ethaniel: Same here Hana I just stick around :)
Hana Hendrassen: academy...?
Antonia Braveheart: inspired on Plato's academia
Gaya Ethaniel: Some makes sense some don't
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... :)
Antonia Braveheart: where there are not lessons, but dialogues
Hana Hendrassen: yeah so far a very small percentage have made sense to me
Hana Hendrassen: ah like a forum
Antonia Braveheart: kind of
Gaya Ethaniel: We have dialogues too at PaB sometimes then an open discussion afterwards
Antonia Braveheart: but it's similar to this
Antonia Braveheart: it's amazing
Antonia Braveheart: I love that
Gaya Ethaniel: On voluntary basis though... no one says you do this or that... but Pema is in a way leading us
Antonia Braveheart: Pema?
Gaya Ethaniel: Gives us directions but all of us make suggestions etc
Hana Hendrassen: pretty much hehe
Hana Hendrassen: he's the founder right?
Gaya Ethaniel: mmhmm he started this, yes
Hana Hendrassen: nice guy
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Hana Hendrassen: but I don't get most of what he says
Antonia Braveheart: it's good...among all the cr*p on SL
Hana Hendrassen laughs
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Antonia Braveheart: it's good to have those things
Hana Hendrassen: I consider myself savvy on a lot of things but PaB continually stumps me
Gaya Ethaniel: I feel often lost here too
Antonia Braveheart: I still feel a bit disoriented
Hana Hendrassen smiles
Antonia Braveheart: but I think it needs time
Hana Hendrassen: yes, probably
Gaya Ethaniel: Very often :) That's why I was so glad to see Adams had similar insight as me. It's not frequent I find such an occasion
Antonia Braveheart: sometimes you feel like a stupid because you feel lost
Hana Hendrassen: yes, exactly
Gaya Ethaniel: Gradually I became ok with not knowing, still at times a bit disorientating as you say though
Hana Hendrassen: I am not very good at thinking in abstract terms
Antonia Braveheart: it takes time
Hana Hendrassen: and that's what PaB is all about it seems
Gaya Ethaniel: We do try to discuss personal experiences which are not abstract
Hana Hendrassen nods...
Gaya Ethaniel: But 'spiritual' experiences are difficult to put into words at any rate
Hana Hendrassen nods
Antonia Braveheart: I recommend you to read a bit about ancient Greek philosophers , Hana...they deal a lot with abstract
Hana Hendrassen nods

Hana triggers another bout of giggling fit for me. And more giggles to come among various philosophers and scientists.

Hana Hendrassen: wow I'm nodding a lot
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Antonia Braveheart: I love Plato's "Symposium"
Gaya Ethaniel: That reminds me... I need to read something for Wednesday
Antonia Braveheart: it's about love, mainly
Hana Hendrassen: I have read a little on Aristotle
Gaya Ethaniel: Is it?
Antonia Braveheart: yes
Antonia Braveheart: you could find it on wiki as well
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... would you care to share?
Hana Hendrassen: but I'm more into the scientific side of philosophy... the logic side
Antonia Braveheart: sure
Gaya Ethaniel: But that's rather abstract too no Hana?
Hana Hendrassen: not to me
Hana Hendrassen: logic seems very patterned
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... interesting :)
Hana Hendrassen: it's a failproof system basically
Hana Hendrassen: or at least as far as we understand it
Hana Hendrassen: though by definition there are things which defy logic...
Hana Hendrassen: such as the concept of a God
Gaya Ethaniel: I always want to dismantle the logics when I was learning them at school
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Antonia Braveheart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium_(Plato)
Hana Hendrassen: like which?
Gaya Ethaniel: You know things like if A is this and B is that bla bla
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: I always went like... how do you know if A is this
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Antonia Braveheart: do you know Galileo Galilei
Hana Hendrassen: well, you make the assumption
Hana Hendrassen: oh yes
Hana Hendrassen: great scientist
Antonia Braveheart: he was a philosopher as well
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes and he didn't draw the map of the moon first
Antonia Braveheart: he was trying to combine...science..and religion
Gaya Ethaniel: Didn't go down well did it? :P
Hana Hendrassen laughs "And he ended up insulting the Pope"
Antonia Braveheart: give a logic explanation of the existence of God
Antonia Braveheart: no it didnt *GIGGLES* :)
Hana Hendrassen: people blame the church for his downfall but really it was kind of his bad XD
Antonia Braveheart: hahaah
Gaya Ethaniel: He attempted something that couldn't be achieved perhaps, explain God by logic
Hana Hendrassen: well he just insulted the Pope
Hana Hendrassen: to his face
Gaya Ethaniel: Not a good omen that
Hana Hendrassen: until then the Pope had supported him and given him exception in the church
Antonia Braveheart: but it was interesting the way he did it
Hana Hendrassen: oh?
Gaya Ethaniel: Yeah never bite the hand that feeds right
Hana Hendrassen: right, right
Gaya Ethaniel listens to Antonia
Antonia Braveheart laughs
Antonia Braveheart: sorry
Gaya Ethaniel: Why? np Antonia, laugh away as much as you want :)
Antonia Braveheart: anyway, it was a good attempt
Hana Hendrassen giggles

Both Hana and Antonia continue to share their views on God. SL continues to cause havoc for Hana…

Antonia Braveheart: the one by Emmanuel Kant
Hana Hendrassen: ah...
Hana Hendrassen: another name I recognize
Antonia Braveheart: yeh
Antonia Braveheart: reading his three books is so hard
Gaya Ethaniel: I haven't read Kant no
Antonia Braveheart: in few words he says that God is something that goes beyond reason
Antonia Braveheart: this is why it's hard to explain his existence
Hana Hendrassen nods "I'd agree with him"
Hana Hendrassen: I think it is impossible to prove there is a God
Hana Hendrassen: it goes upon faith
Antonia Braveheart nods
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Hana Hendrassen: me, personally, I do believe there is one because of my personal experience... but that is not something I can share with anyone
Antonia Braveheart: ....
Antonia Braveheart: sometimes I don’t know if I want to believe
Hana Hendrassen: whoa
Hana Hendrassen: what happened
Gaya Ethaniel: Because...? Hana
Antonia Braveheart: nothing
Hana Hendrassen: did the graphics not just mess up...?
Antonia Braveheart: I simply am not sure
Hana Hendrassen: I see all black
Hana Hendrassen: and sky
Hana Hendrassen: o_O
Antonia Braveheart: oh
Antonia Braveheart: :P
Gaya Ethaniel: oh it's ok on my screen
Hana Hendrassen: weird weird weird
Antonia Braveheart: HA HA HA HA HA
Hana Hendrassen: oh well since I haven't really crashed yet
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Hana Hendrassen: continue ^_^
Gaya Ethaniel: It's been really painful... SL
Antonia Braveheart: it is
Hana Hendrassen: Gaya, I can't share my experience with anyone simply because it's mine
Hana Hendrassen: no one can take my word unconditionally
Hana Hendrassen: even my senses might be fooling me
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I understand... that's why most of time I'm reluctant to talk about it... whenever I do, no one seems to understand anyway
Hana Hendrassen: but I choose to believe that what I have experienced is true
Antonia Braveheart: I feel like sometimes there is no God, just because...
Hana Hendrassen: because...?
Gaya Ethaniel: But as with Adams, some do understand some of my experiences perhaps not when I shared them months ago
Antonia Braveheart: ...think about the wars in Gaza
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Antonia Braveheart: ...or the hunger in Africa
Hana Hendrassen: you know... I think bad things happen for a reason
Hana Hendrassen: and good things happen for a reason
Antonia Braveheart: ...me too
Hana Hendrassen: it's not fair to expect all good
Hana Hendrassen: because then we would take it for granted
Antonia Braveheart: true
Hana Hendrassen: we would not know evil
Hana Hendrassen: so we would not know good
Antonia Braveheart: you mean...it's a way to achieve our aims
Antonia Braveheart: like
Hana Hendrassen: I mean it's a way to understand that good IS good... and not just something that happens
Antonia Braveheart: we have obstacles that determine our way of being?
Antonia Braveheart: that will lead us to the good or to the evil
Hana Hendrassen: sort of
Hana Hendrassen: it's that if good things happen to us
Antonia Braveheart: ....
Hana Hendrassen: we know it's good
Antonia Braveheart ponders
Hana Hendrassen: because we've seen bad things happen and we know they're bad
Hana Hendrassen: if there was no bad
Antonia Braveheart: ....yes
Hana Hendrassen: how would we know it was good?
Antonia Braveheart: yes
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Antonia Braveheart: but still...sometimes I don’t believe
Antonia Braveheart: maybe because it's something I’ve never seen
Hana Hendrassen: that can make it challenging
Antonia Braveheart: I don’t know
Hana Hendrassen: it's your choice
Antonia Braveheart nods
Hana Hendrassen: no one's forcing you to believe there's a God
Hana Hendrassen: if they are... there's something wrong with them
Gaya Ethaniel: And one doesn't have to 'believe' anything right
Antonia Braveheart: I define myself in a spiritual journey constantly
Hana Hendrassen: well one has to believe something
Hana Hendrassen: otherwise one is useless
Gaya Ethaniel: What I mean is it's a personal choice
Hana Hendrassen: yes
Antonia Braveheart: yes
Antonia Braveheart: but I can’t choice now
Hana Hendrassen: well... you choose to keep looking
Hana Hendrassen: that's a choice
Antonia Braveheart: because I’m still in my journey
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Antonia Braveheart: true
Hana Hendrassen: the people I don't respect are the ones who just don't care
Antonia Braveheart: this is stupid and shallow
Hana Hendrassen nods
Antonia Braveheart: I mean not caring
Gaya Ethaniel: Must be reasons for that I think
Gaya Ethaniel: I wouldn't know why though... I feel sad when I see that
Antonia Braveheart: me too
Hana Hendrassen: I think they just want to avoid thought and go on with their "here and now"
Antonia Braveheart: because I don’t like to take everything for granted
Antonia Braveheart: I like to discover, ask myself....share my thought with others
Antonia Braveheart: learn more
Antonia Braveheart: those are passive people
Antonia Braveheart: to me
Hana Hendrassen: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: I focus a lot of 'here and now' though... Try not to waste the present
Hana Hendrassen: yes but you care about here and now
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes
Antonia Braveheart: me too
Hana Hendrassen: and you care about past and future
Gaya Ethaniel: mmhmm
Antonia Braveheart: but this doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have aims in my life
Hana Hendrassen: no
Antonia Braveheart: :)
Gaya Ethaniel nods in agreement

Gosh… when was ‘Dead Poets Society’ made again?! We talk about Pema heheheh

Antonia Braveheart: "carpe diem, qquam minimum credula postero"...it's in my profile
Hana Hendrassen tries to see if she can remember that without cheating...
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Antonia Braveheart: it means in few words "seize the day , for we don’t know what tomorrow will be"
Gaya Ethaniel: I only know carpe diem from a film I watched... years ago 'Dead Poet's Society' highly recommended
Antonia Braveheart: hahah
Antonia Braveheart: I studied ancient Greek philosophers and Latin literatures
Antonia Braveheart: this is why i know
Hana Hendrassen: I took Latin for two years
Antonia Braveheart: otherwise I wouldn’t dare :P
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... you'd love Gilles' philosophy discussions starting this week
Hana Hendrassen: so I should know XD
Antonia Braveheart: really?
Antonia Braveheart: oh can’t wait
Gaya Ethaniel: Let me look up...
Antonia Braveheart: i love philosophy
Antonia Braveheart: its ages i dont study it
Antonia Braveheart: when i started studying it at school
Gaya Ethaniel: Wednesdays: Philosophical Seminar w/Gilles Kuhn
"As the name indicates we will study the philosophical problematic. All domain and problems of philosophy can be studied however the first general theme will be on the good old "mind/body problem" call too "the hard problem". The themes we will study will depend on the evolution of our work session and debate: generally subjects of interest will arise spontaneously. First seminars: The two first seminars will focuses on the article Turning 'The Hard Problem' Upside Down & Sideways by Piet Hut and Roger Shepard, 1996, J. of Consc. Stud. 3, 313-329; reprinted in Explaining Consciousness , ed. J. Shear (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press), pp. 305-322. It is available in his draft version online at http://www.ids.ias.edu/~piet/publ/turning/tuc2.html. For uniformity we will use this draft version. I will invite the participant to read the paper beforehand. And one of the authors known by his avatar name Pema Pera (Piet Hut) has kindly accepted as our first guest star speake
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Antonia Braveheart: I thought it was boring
Hana Hendrassen: ACK CHATSPAM
Gaya Ethaniel: sorry... :)
Hana Hendrassen: lol
Antonia Braveheart: lolz
Gaya Ethaniel: If you join 'Kira Cafe' you'd get notices Antonia
Antonia Braveheart: cook
Antonia Braveheart: cool
Antonia Braveheart: *GIGGLES* :)
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Antonia Braveheart: I like those things :)
Hana Hendrassen smiles
Antonia Braveheart: is Pema a real philosopher?
Gaya Ethaniel: He's an astronomer
Antonia Braveheart: wow
Antonia Braveheart: imma join the cafè
Gaya Ethaniel: Or what is he again Hana?
Hana Hendrassen: eh?
Gaya Ethaniel: A 'mad' scientist [orange hair]
Hana Hendrassen: oh Pema
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Hana Hendrassen: I think you told me he's an astronomer
Hana Hendrassen: lol I think I have a book I need to recommend him
Hana Hendrassen: that "death from the skies" one
Antonia Braveheart: ....
Hana Hendrassen giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: He is :) An unusual one I think http://www.ids.ias.edu/~piet/ [here you see him without his orange hair]
Hana Hendrassen: it's about all the various cosmic ways the world could end
Antonia Braveheart: hahaha
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Hana Hendrassen: I thought he was Indian...?
Antonia Braveheart: :P
Gaya Ethaniel: He could probably come up with solutions for some
Hana Hendrassen: lol
Gaya Ethaniel: Dutchman
Hana Hendrassen: for the asteroids, maybe
Hana Hendrassen: but the rest are pretty futile
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)

Hana gives us a few examples of how Earth could be destroyed. Antonia seems to be in a hurry to set up her Academia now.

Gaya Ethaniel: Such as?
Hana Hendrassen: such as the death of a star from trillions of miles off that bathes the earth in gamma radiation
Antonia Braveheart: oh
Gaya Ethaniel: Nice...
Hana Hendrassen: or a black hole sweeping through the galaxy
Hana Hendrassen: or a supernova
Gaya Ethaniel: Lovely... :)
Antonia Braveheart will be right back.
Hana Hendrassen: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: sure
Hana Hendrassen: or a collision with Andromeda
Gaya Ethaniel: How many disaster scenarios in that book?
Hana Hendrassen: or the red giant-ing of the sun (which is apparently actually survivable if we can change our orbit)
Hana Hendrassen: plenty... haven't read them all yet
Gaya Ethaniel giggles
Hana Hendrassen: but the most likely one is the asteroid
Hana Hendrassen: guess what the chances are?
Hana Hendrassen: in percent
Gaya Ethaniel: Strange... I know a few people who delight in such a book, a coincidence? :P
Antonia Braveheart: back
Gaya Ethaniel shakes her head no
Gaya Ethaniel: wb :)
Antonia Braveheart: thanks
Hana Hendrassen: just guess ^_^
Hana Hendrassen: wb Antonia-chan
Antonia Braveheart: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: mm...
Gaya Ethaniel: 5?
Hana Hendrassen: 100
Gaya Ethaniel laughs!
Hana Hendrassen: at some point we will be hit
Antonia Braveheart: I feel more motivated to open my "Academia" now btw
Gaya Ethaniel: Yeah before an asteroid hits us
Antonia Braveheart: :)
Hana Hendrassen: lol
Antonia Braveheart: *GIGGLES* :)
Hana Hendrassen: the most we can do is try and derail them over and over
Hana Hendrassen: there are even some in our orbit
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes many working on how
Hana Hendrassen nods
Antonia Braveheart: hahha
Antonia Braveheart: girls, I think I have to go now
Hana Hendrassen: man these graphics are odd o_O
Hana Hendrassen: ah ok
Gaya Ethaniel: ok I'm getting hungry too
Antonia Braveheart: remind me something...
Hana Hendrassen: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds like SL will kick you out soon Hana
Antonia Braveheart: *GIGGLES* :)
Hana Hendrassen: maybe :(
Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day Antonia :)
Hana Hendrassen: hai, hona sainara!
Antonia Braveheart: you too girls...see you later at the geisha school