2009.02.14 19:00 - Roots Not Fruits and SL as a New Country

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Myna Maven.  The comments are by Myna Maven.

    "Roots not Fruits" was a discussion on the beginnings of the Kira Institute, which will soon be celebrating its 12th anniversary.  Discussion later moved into the experience of Second Life for newcomers, the difficulties and attractions of navigating an environment which can bear comparison to a new country.



        Eliza Madrigal: Hi Myna
        Myna Maven: Hi, Eliza.
        Eliza Madrigal: :)
        Myna Maven: How are you this evening?
        Eliza Madrigal: Well, you>>?
        Myna Maven: Good. Just finished having a nice Valentine's dinner with the family.
        Eliza Madrigal: Nice. Not much going on here...cleaned the fridge today...exciting stuff :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Myna:)
        Myna Maven: Ha. I cleaned the refrigerator earlier this week. I always put it off.
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eliza:)
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi Scathach :)
        Myna Maven: Hi Scathach.
        Eliza Madrigal: But this is exciting enough. I've not been here except to look around
        Myna Maven: I'm looking for where I can put notations in the bubble above my head.
        Myna Maven: Have you been to the PaB website, Eliza?
        stevenaia Michinaga: hello
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Steve:)
        Eliza Madrigal: I did check it out briefly.
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi stevenaia
        Myna Maven: OK.
        Myna Maven: Hi Steven.
        stevenaia Michinaga: mind if I lower the fountain?
        Myna Maven: I've no objection.
        Eliza Madrigal: Not at all
        Scathach Rhiadra: no, it can be a bit overpowering sometimes
        Myna Maven: How do you lower it?
        stevenaia Michinaga: yes, nice to be able to change it
        stevenaia Michinaga: "/9 low"
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema:)
        Myna Maven: Hi, Pema.
        Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
        Eliza Madrigal: Hello Pema, BB
        stevenaia Michinaga: you can make it dissappear or put it back, not sure where the commands are listed
        stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pema
        Pema Pera: Let me introduce my friend BB
        Pema Pera: he was born half an hour ago ;)
        Pema Pera: I'm sitting next to him in RL
        stevenaia Michinaga: waves to BB
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello BB
        Myna Maven: Things are coming in a bit slowly for me tonight.
        Eliza Madrigal: :) Hello, BB
        Myna Maven: Hello Pila, BB.
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
        Pila Mulligan: greetings
        stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila
        Myna Maven: Hello, Selena.
        selena Quar: umm hi
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi bill
        Pila Mulligan: Happy Valentine's Day
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Solo:)
        Myna Maven: Hi Solo.
        Solobill Laville: HI, everyone :)
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi selena, Pila
        selena Quar: hi
        Myna Maven: Selana...hi. Have you been here before?
        selena Quar: hi and no
        BB Zadark: hi
        BB Zadark: all
        Pila Mulligan: hi
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi there Adams
        Myna Maven: Ouch. I'm trying to pass you a notecard on the group Selena.
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Adams:)
        selena Quar: ok
        Myna Maven: But your name has disappeared...
        selena Quar: o
        Myna Maven: Oh, there.
        Solobill Laville: Hi, Adams :)
        Adams Rubble: Hello Everyone :)
        Eliza Madrigal: May I have one also, Myna?
        Myna Maven: Finally got it.
        Eliza Madrigal: Thanks
        Myna Maven: There, Eliza.
        stevenaia Michinaga: could you pass that notecard to me, I don;t think I have one
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: hi Stim
        Adams Rubble: Hello Stim :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim:)
        Myna Maven: Hi, Stim.
        Stim Morane: hi everyone.
        Solobill Laville: Welcome, Stim :)
        Pema Pera: Hi Stim!
        Stim Morane: Pema, Solo
        Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Myna, Selena and BB :)
        selena Quar: hi
        BB Zadark: hi
        Pema Pera: This is Myna's first session as a guardian
        Pema Pera: yeah!
        Solobill Laville: Yay!
        Pema Pera: You have no claimed the session, Myna!
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        Pema Pera: Even if you leave early, you will get the whole chat log
        Adams Rubble: Nice to be here on this historic ocasion :)
        Pema Pera: our little PaB hazing ritual :-)
        Myna Maven: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure she will do a better job at posting the log properly than I have
        Pema Pera: We are *almost* at another historic point of having 4x7=28 guardians on call . . . . 27 right now!
        Myna Maven: I will sweat the entire time, Steven, worrying I'll do something wrong.
        Pema Pera: (Lia just volunteered as 27th)
        Adams Rubble: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: no, thinking someday I will do it right
        Scathach Rhiadra: oh, good:)
        Pema Pera: hahaha, you'll quickly become an old hand, Myna
        Adams Rubble: There are lots of people to help if you have trouble...just yell :)
        Myna Maven: Adams, thanks.
        Myna Maven: I will take advantage of it.
        Adams Rubble: Hello Magdalena :)
        Magdalena Colclough: hi Adams :)
        Myna Maven: Hello Magdalena.
        Magdalena Colclough: Hi all
        Magdalena Colclough: and it's just Maggie
        Eliza Madrigal: Hello Magdalena..er...Maggie :)
        Solobill Laville: Heya, Maggie :)
        Pema Pera: Hi again Maggie!
        Stim Morane: Hi Maggie
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Maggie
        Magdalena Colclough smiles
        stevenaia Michinaga: how have you been Maggie, it;s been a while
        Myna Maven: Maggie, have you been here before?
        Myna Maven: Oops, seems you have.
        Magdalena Colclough: I have, Myna, but it's been a while
        Magdalena Colclough: thank you for asking, though
        Stim Morane: I'm having some problems with SL using my current computer ... ducking out.
        Solobill Laville: bye Stim
        Myna Maven: Sorry, Stim.
        Adams Rubble: bye Stim
        Magdalena Colclough: bye Stim
        Myna Maven: Was there any thing on any one's mind that they might have wished to talk about? :)
        Pema Pera: people seem to be very quiet these days, Myna . . . .
        Pema Pera: something in the weather?
        Magdalena Colclough: I have laryngitis
        Solobill Laville: hehe
        Myna Maven: :)
        Adams Rubble: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: of the fingers?
        Solobill Laville: I had quite a talkative session on Friday, ironically about sound :)
        Pema Pera: :-)
        Solobill Laville: Silence is nice too ;)
        Pema Pera: I hope that some of you will be able to come to the Kira Cafe on Tuesday, 2 pm, to talk and talk and talk :-)
        Pema Pera: we are then doing a dry-run for our 12th anniversary celebration of Kira
        Pema Pera: the week after that
        Pema Pera: and we will have a circle of 15 or so booths
        Myna Maven: 12 years. Long time. I've read a little on the background on the website.
        Pema Pera: one for each activity of Kira
        Pema Pera: PaB will get a booth, and so will each workshop and other kind of groups activity
        Pema Pera: yes, we started in 1997
        Pema Pera: have been in SL only for half a year (as Kira) . . ..
        Scathach Rhiadra: you have developed a very full program of events in just 6 months
        Pila Mulligan: what was the first activity Kira did in 1997, Pema?
        Pema Pera: weekend workshops, Pila, then yearly summer schools
        Pema Pera: Yes, Scathach, in fact in four months
        Pema Pera: we are most surprised ourselves
        Pema Pera: it just sort-of happened, grass roots wise
        Pema Pera: for a few talks to a few debates to a few weekly workshops . . . .
        Pema Pera: (and a lot of time put it by us, of course :-)
        Pila Mulligan: what were the topics at the first workshops?
        Pema Pera: you mean 12 years ago?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pema Pera: our main focus was science and spirituality
        Pila Mulligan: cool
        Pema Pera: but mostly a "roots not fruits" approach as we called it
        Pema Pera: not trying to build bridges
        Pema Pera: but going down into the depths, into the canyon, from both sides
        Pema Pera: no glid paralels
        Pema Pera: but mutual investigation of methods, of roots
        Pema Pera: (if that makes any sense, just summarizes)
        Pila Mulligan: it does, thanks
        BB Zadark: can you share a specific or two?
        Pema Pera: about what, BB?
        BB Zadark: roots not fruits
        Solobill Laville: Hello, Mike :)
        Myna Maven: Hello, Mike.
        Myna Maven: Hi, Threedee.
        Pila Mulligan: hi Threedee, hi Mike
        Pema Pera: One example is: sometimes we hear that the Big Bang started with light and the Genesis story started with light, so there must be a connection -- that is "fruits"
        stevenaia Michinaga: hello three
        Mike Smithson: hello
        Solobill Laville: Hi, Three :)
        Pema Pera: Hi Threedee and Mike!
        Threedee Shepherd: hello folks
        Mike Smithson: hello
        Adams Rubble: Hello threedee and Mike
        Myna Maven: Mike, I don't think we've met. Have you been here before?
        Mike Smithson: no, just wandering around
        Pema Pera: but more interesting is to compare the method of investigation that led to the Big Bang theory
        Myna Maven: Let me give you a notecard on the group.
        Eliza Madrigal: Hi Threedee :), Mike
        Pema Pera: and the method that leads to spiritual investigations
        Mike Smithson: thanks
        BB Zadark: interesting!
        BB Zadark: say more
        Adams Rubble: :)
        Pema Pera: hahaha, you already get the PaB lingo, BB!
        Myna Maven: Please, I'd like to hear more about this.
        Pema Pera: that is my pet phrase!
        Pema Pera: in general, for any communication across boundaries, the first thing to do is to look at your own knowledge, and to acquire more knowledge about your own knowledge, before comparing notes with the other side
        Pema Pera: you have to make your own tacit knowledge explicit
        Pema Pera: and only then can you exchange it
        Pema Pera: so first roots
        Pema Pera: then fruits can be exchanged
        Pema Pera: takes a lot of time . . . .
        Pema Pera: . . . . but worth it
        Pema Pera: when two cultures meet, or two disciplines, or two ways of life . . . .
        Myna Maven: You gave a talk on this a couple of weeks back.
        Myna Maven: I recollect...
        Pema Pera: (I've know BB for 12 years too . . . he is at least as persisten as I am . . . )
        Pema Pera: ah, yes, Myna
        Pema Pera: *persistent
        Adams Rubble: BB will add much to our discussions :)
        Pema Pera: BB will force US to add much to our discussions !!!
        Pema Pera: mark my words!!!
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        Adams Rubble: :)
        Pila Mulligan: sounds like BB is being prompted to say somthing compelling :)
        Pema Pera: We just picked BB's name, we thought Zadark would go well with it, don't you think?
        Pema Pera: Oh, BB is compelling others to talk
        Pema Pera: that is compelling no?
        Pila Mulligan: oui
        Adams Rubble: :)
        Pema Pera: you see, BB, we're building up a reputation for you during your very first hour in SL !
        Pema Pera: most of us took months to get a reputation of any kind . . . .
        Adams Rubble: Wow, first hour in SL!
        Pema Pera: (and: born on Valentine's day!!)
        Scathach Rhiadra: you will never be able to forget yout SL birthday BB:)
        BB Zadark: so it will be
        Pema Pera: BB and I spent a few hours this afternoon, me moving around, and he looking over my shoulder -- and in turn me reliving my first hours in SL . . . .
        Pema Pera: like immigrating into a new country, and after a few years having another newbe visit that same country
        Pema Pera: and remembering how you yourself were puzzled the first time around
        Pema Pera: I remember my first day in the US, when I was asked in a restaurant "here or to go" --- I had no idea what it meant . . . .
        BB Zadark: quite the experience!
        Eliza Madrigal: Hmm.. :)
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Adams Rubble didn't talk to anyone for about a week
        Magdalena Colclough: what was the hook for you all, for SL. The first time I came into SL I found nothing at all of interest. What made you all stay?
        Myna Maven: I stumbled onto Kira immediately.
        Pema Pera: nobody told you "say more" Adams?
        Adams Rubble: hehe
        Pema Pera: my hook was astronomy, from the start
        Pema Pera: my work
        Adams Rubble: Mine was the Sistine Chapel
        Threedee Shepherd: I'm a 3D graphics "freak" so it all grabbed me all at once!
        Myna Maven: I tried SL for a couple of hours two years ago and found nothing that I liked.
        Magdalena Colclough smiles
        Magdalena Colclough nods at Myna
        Myna Maven: Then, returned a little over a month ago and found Kira.
        Solobill Laville: lesson on assumptions, I assumed Adams was a US native for many, many months now... :)
        Myna Maven: Plus Scilands.
        Eliza Madrigal: I've been here only a few weeks, but found the Buddhist sites pretty quickly, and like group meditations
        Pema Pera: Adams isn't???
        Solobill Laville: Did I read that wrong??
        Adams Rubble is now confused
        Solobill Laville: [19:45] Adams Rubble didn't talk to anyone for about a week
        Pema Pera: in SL :-)
        Pema Pera: (I presume)
        Adams Rubble: yes
        Pema Pera: hehe
        Solobill Laville sighs
        Eliza Madrigal: :)
        Adams Rubble checks the map
        Solobill Laville: please continue...sorry :/
        Adams Rubble: :)
        Eliza Madrigal: I actually found SL a little too real for the first few days...thought "I'm not sure about my own boundaries here..." Hah
        Magdalena Colclough nods
        Pema Pera: yes, that makes a lot of sense!
        Eliza Madrigal: And everyone would start conversations by telling me to watch out for other people hah
        Magdalena Colclough: but for me, that's one of it's advantages--it's a relatively safe place to explore my boundaries, to push them a little
        Magdalena Colclough: *its
        Pema Pera: I remember my first meeting with a group of scientists, around a big table, I was invited but didn't know anybody. It was dark, and I didn't know yet how to change the time of day settings -- so I couldn't see which chairs were empty and which not -- I felt pretty mortified :-)
        Magdalena Colclough: oh, well, Steven still sits on people all the time :)
        Pema Pera: so yes, like Eliza
        Myna Maven: :)
        Pema Pera: lol, Maggie!
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: yes, sitting on others's lap would not do in RL, but happens here all the time
        Solobill Laville: Good ice breaker
        Magdalena Colclough: lol
        Adams Rubble: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: always a conversation starter
        Eliza Madrigal: hahha. I've certainly done it. Once jumping from person to person
        Pema Pera: :-)
        stevenaia Michinaga: I swear the Lindens do slow rezzing for that very reason
        Magdalena Colclough: lol
        Adams Rubble: that and having people fall in the water
        Scathach Rhiadra: ha, I waws sat on by a Linden once
        Adams Rubble: hehe
        Myna Maven: It is very peculiar to pass through a wall or fall into the ocean and if you don't know much about SL yet you're trapped trying to find a way around or out.
        Myna Maven: My first couple of days I was teleporting myself out of walls.
        Pema Pera: :)
        Adams Rubble: We have learned quite a set of skills :)
        Magdalena Colclough nods and smiles at Adams
        stevenaia Michinaga: I most enjoy the diverity of backgrounds that end up sitting aound a fountain here
        Solobill Laville nods
        stevenaia Michinaga: more dificult to do nightly in RL
        Magdalena Colclough: a bit, yes :)
        Adams Rubble: :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        Myna Maven: I do enjoy learning about people...
        stevenaia Michinaga: and from people
        Myna Maven: Yes, Steven.
        Myna Maven: Their experiences can be very enriching.
        stevenaia Michinaga: and where else can you take a minute to respond and not have the room empty
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        BB Zadark: can i ask a question?
        Solobill Laville: lol
        BB Zadark: what were the boundry issues like?
        Pila Mulligan: yes BB
        Eliza Madrigal: For Me?
        BB Zadark: yes
        Eliza Madrigal: Hm. hard to describe, except that I didn't expect it to seem so real. I'm imaginative...
        Eliza Madrigal: but honestly, it overloaded me a bit
        Eliza Madrigal: The visuals being very striking, for instance
        Eliza Madrigal: And people's eprsonalities coming across so clearly
        Eliza Madrigal: personalities rather
        BB Zadark: did it feel threatening?
        Eliza Madrigal: Well, I wasn't sure. After about a week I found a balance
        BB Zadark: hmmm...
        Pema Pera: I think BB is beginning to look for balance :-)
        Eliza Madrigal: :)
        BB Zadark: yes
        Adams Rubble must go. bye everyone :)
        Pema Pera: bye Adams!
        Myna Maven: Bye, Adams.
        Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams, Nite
        Scathach Rhiadra: bye Adams
        Magdalena Colclough: bye Adama
        Magdalena Colclough: BB, I think some people are able to immerse themselves intensely in their avatars. It's the same frame of mind that allows you lose yourself in a work of fiction, or let yourself fall under hypnosis
        BB Zadark: that's helpful...novels
        Magdalena Colclough: and the more you do that here, the more real and visceral the experiences can be
        Pila Mulligan: you can encounter some odd people in SL, BB
        Magdalena Colclough: which can be good or bad
        BB Zadark: can barely imagine what encountering an odd person means in this context
        Pema Pera: hehehe
        Magdalena Colclough smiles broadly
        Myna Maven: :)
        Pema Pera: just you wait
        Solobill Laville: :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        BB Zadark: but maybe i'll soon learn
        stevenaia Michinaga: lol
        Myna Maven: Seriously, wait.
        Eliza Madrigal: hah BB
        Pema Pera: shall we call some of our friends?
        Myna Maven: But I've not had problems.
        Pema Pera: who has the oddest friend on call?
        Solobill Laville: psst...don't tell him he's surrounded by a few right now... ;)
        Pema Pera: sshhhtttt
        stevenaia Michinaga: what was that mass running around you were doing here the other night
        Pila Mulligan: there is even a term used to describe people going around intentionally disrupting SL events (I forget what the term is :)
        Solobill Laville: griefer
        Scathach Rhiadra: hmmm
        Pila Mulligan: yes, thanks Solo
        Myna Maven: Yes, griefers.
        stevenaia Michinaga: that too, I was speaking of mass sillyness
        Solobill Laville: (Hence, ye olde "Ban and Eject" training in he old days)
        stevenaia Michinaga: not the room flooded with flying penises, for instance
        Solobill Laville: Was that here Steve?
        Eliza Madrigal: Okay...looked away for a moment and came back to that line - haha
        stevenaia Michinaga: no
        Myna Maven: If my son was glancing over my shoulder, I'd have a time explaining that.
        stevenaia Michinaga: somewhere else
        Solobill Laville: Phew - hard time explaining THAT one to the Mrs....
        stevenaia Michinaga: jsut an example, but you can see, that might be disruptive in any location
        Solobill Laville: We were mamboing in the fountain last week...is that it?
        stevenaia Michinaga: yes, sillyness vs disruption
        BB Zadark: need to go...good bye
        Pema Pera: BB and I are ready to get going, back to RL
        Magdalena Colclough: bye BB
        Myna Maven: A little "La Dolce Vita."
        Pila Mulligan: bye BB and Pema
        Pema Pera: I'm sure BB will have rather vivid dreams
        Magdalena Colclough: bye Pema
        Eliza Madrigal: Nice to mee you BB, Pema
        Myna Maven: Bye BB, Perma.
        Scathach Rhiadra: bye BB, nice to meet you
        Solobill Laville: Night
        Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pema
        stevenaia Michinaga: nice meeting you BB, looking forward to your retuen
        Magdalena Colclough: happy beheaded saint day
        BB Zadark: nice to meet all of you, odd ond not
        Myna Maven: :)
        Pema Pera: say no more Maggie :-)
        Threedee Shepherd: Funny story, I was lecturing in a class of college juniors and seniors as a guest lecturer, about SL and mentioned the example of the flying penises. One of the more "religious" women in the class told the professor after that I had offended her.
        Pila Mulligan: ouch
        Solobill Laville: Careful who you say penis around...I gues
        Pila Mulligan: maybe I should not proceed with this odd youthful remembrance that has arisen (I don't know why.) I've typed it out using Notepad (could it metaphorically relate to boundaries in a unique environment?) I remember visting a fairly notorious brothel as a teenager in the early 60's ... (should I stop here?)
        Solobill Laville: can't stop now!
        Magdalena Colclough: not for my sake
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Myna Maven: Not for mine, either.
        Pila Mulligan: ... it was on a whim with two friends during a long distance errand for one of the friend's father's company (to pick up a bulldozer part in Memphis.) The brothel was Pauline's in Bowling Green, Kentucky, she worte a book about it. After sitting in the parlor for a while with the madam and her staff, having some quiet small talk and tea, the second friend suddenly blurted out impatiently, 'well, how much for what?' Pauline reprimanded him gently, 'that is for you to discuss later, privately.' So there I observed that formality and protocol exist even when you may not expect it. (PS while my friends excerised their purpose for being there, I stayed in the parlor to chat with Pauline -- she was interesting.)
        Threedee Shepherd: what if had been just a plain old non-nototious one?
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Solobill Laville: hehe
        Eliza Madrigal: hahah...rules of the road everywhere I suppose
        Pila Mulligan: so it seems Eliza, leartning boundaries
        Solobill Laville: Cultural norms
        Magdalena Colclough: and blurring them
        Myna Maven: I'm reminded of Kubrick's film. The same boundaries. "Eyes Wide Shut". The conversation with the prostitute.
        Myna Maven: We have streetwalkers all up and down our road. I don't know if they observe the same protocol....
        Eliza Madrigal: Rules of the road vs rules of the street ? :)
        Pila Mulligan: Paulinemay have been of an older school
        Magdalena Colclough: lol
        Myna Maven: :)
        Solobill Laville: Must not be notorious enough, Myna ;)
        Eliza Madrigal: Maggie, you're right though..the blurring of boundaries is a large part
        Eliza Madrigal: of what makes SL so interesting
        Magdalena Colclough nods
        Eliza Madrigal: time, space, weather
        Pila Mulligan: time especially
        Pila Mulligan: we make a ring around the plaent and seem to disregard the time zones
        Magdalena Colclough: yes--time here is astounding
        Myna Maven: It can be peculiarly immersive at times.
        Magdalena Colclough: a week here can feel like 6 months in RL
        Solobill Laville: Though we communicate a bit slower, times moves 4-5 times faster, in my reconning
        Eliza Madrigal: interesting thought, yes it does feel like that at times...
        Threedee Shepherd: 4-hour cycle
        Magdalena Colclough: and there's an accelerated disclosure that comes from the anonymity
        Eliza Madrigal: more clustered or something
        Solobill Laville: Yes, the 4-hour cycle can effect it, especially if you are for a long period at a stretch
        Magdalena Colclough: what's the 4 hour cycle?
        Myna Maven: Thanks, Maggie. I was about to ask as well...
        Eliza Madrigal: Thanks...was going to try to puzzle that out myself
        Solobill Laville: 4-hours btw sunrises
        Eliza Madrigal: Oh!
        Magdalena Colclough: is that true across the grid? All sims?
        Myna Maven: OK. Hmmm. I've never been on for four hours at a time and I could have sworn I've seen days go by more speedily.
        Myna Maven: At times.
        Eliza Madrigal: I've wondered whether someone else was setting/changing that...didn't pick up the pattern yet
        Magdalena Colclough: I spend so much time using the Torley Windlight environmental presets that I don't really see the local time a lot
        Scathach Rhiadra: some sims , like European one, can change the pattern, but it is still 4 hour cycle
        Threedee Shepherd: Depends when you start, sunrise and nightfall are a bit rushed
        Myna Maven: OK.
        Eliza Madrigal: Ah, okay. :) I need to say Goodnight, but this has been great. Thanks, all.
        Myna Maven: G'night Eliza.
        Magdalena Colclough: goodnight, Eliza
        Pila Mulligan: bye Eliza
        Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet everyone. Nite!
        Scathach Rhiadra: night Eliza, nice to meet you
        Solobill Laville: See you Eliza :)
        Solobill Laville: I think I'll bow out too...Night all
        Myna Maven: Bye Solo.
        Pila Mulligan: bye Solo
        Magdalena Colclough: goodnight Solo
        Scathach Rhiadra: night Solo
        Myna Maven: OK, just to make sure. I claimed the recording for tonight...and it will be emailed to me or download automatically to my computer?
        Scathach Rhiadra: a link will be sent to you
        stevenaia Michinaga: it will sow up in your Loacal char window as a weblink once the log has ended
        stevenaia Michinaga: show
        Myna Maven: At the end of a session do I need to cut off the fountain?
        stevenaia Michinaga: local chat window
        Scathach Rhiadra: or if you log off immediately, an email
        stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, i found one when I logged on the next day
        stevenaia Michinaga: jsut copy paste it into the a the Wiki and edit
        stevenaia Michinaga: and follow the posting directions
        stevenaia Michinaga: :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: no, the fountain (autologger) cuts itself off, when there are no guardians left here
        stevenaia Michinaga: I have trouble with directions
        Myna Maven: OK, Scathach.
        Myna Maven: As I said earlier, Steven, I will be sweating it the first time through. :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: must be an authority thing
        Pila Mulligan: a new boundary :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: I had better head off too, night all:)
        stevenaia Michinaga: no, the authorities ahve trouble with me, their boundry
        Magdalena Colclough: Enjoy your new guardianship, Myna
        stevenaia Michinaga: :)
        stevenaia Michinaga: night all
        Myna Maven: Thanks Maggie.
        Myna Maven: Night Maggie, Scath.
        Pila Mulligan: bye Scath and Maggie
        Magdalena Colclough: Bye Pila
        Magdalena Colclough: be well
        Myna Maven: Night Steven.
        Magdalena Colclough: Bye Threedee
        Pila Mulligan: and Steve
        Threedee Shepherd: Steve, is there a page somewhere in the PaB website with links to the qautorecording?
        stevenaia Michinaga: no, not yet
        Threedee Shepherd: So, if I "lost" the link I cannot recover it?
        stevenaia Michinaga: but if she doesn;t get it ti will arrive in her chat window
        stevenaia Michinaga: contact Wol, or Pema
        Threedee Shepherd: I ain't talkin bout her ;D
        stevenaia Michinaga: kk
        stevenaia Michinaga: Pema can get it to you
        stevenaia Michinaga: see you Three
        Pila Mulligan: well, Myna, how do you feel now that it is over?
        Myna Maven: Whew. :)
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Myna Maven: No, really, just fine.
        Myna Maven: Thanks.
        Pila Mulligan: this seems ot be a pretty peaceful place
        Myna Maven: It is.
        Threedee Shepherd: well done. Goodnight ^.^
        Pila Mulligan: surprisingly few disruptions
        Pila Mulligan: bye Three
        Myna Maven: There were.
        Myna Maven: Gn'ight Three.
        Pila Mulligan: there usually seem to be fewer disruptions here than is usual in SL
        Myna Maven: Yes....I've not done much roaming around SL except for here and Scilands.
        Pila Mulligan: me either, but I was with annother forum before this one and there were more girefers appearing there, for osm ereaosn
        Myna Maven: Here? Elsewhere?
        Pila Mulligan: SL, but a different plac ein SL
        Pila Mulligan: I read about SL in a New York Times article and was curious, but that was dampened quickly by what we may call the dark side of it -- then I met a Dutch lady interested in setting up a philosphy discussion group and for more than a year that was what I did in SL, the former Nymf's Forum -- when she left she recommended Kira's
        Myna Maven: Oh, OK.
        Myna Maven: I know I've mentioned SL to others, in the past month, recommended some of the constructive things I've found here.
        Myna Maven: But it is a hard sell.
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it has a lot of ugly aspects
        Pila Mulligan: I almost didn;t stay
        Myna Maven: Well, as I was saying earlier, I tried SL two years ago for two hours and that was enough for me at that time.
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Myna Maven: This time was different. But then I knew what to avoid.
        Myna Maven: I did a search for buddhism and find my way straight here.
        Pila Mulligan: did oyu see the Skeptical Buddhists iste?
        Pila Mulligan: site*
        Myna Maven: No.
        Pila Mulligan: I've been there a couple of times, they are a nice group
        Myna Maven: I'll take a look some time.
        Myna Maven: Oh, thanks.
        Pila Mulligan: I hope you follow up with Threedee on your language project, by the way
        Myna Maven: Yes, I need to speak to Threedee.
        Pila Mulligan: he may be able to help
        Myna Maven: Need to pick his brain on what worked and what didn't.
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: well, congratulations on Guardiaing, and again god luck with your project -- time to go for Pila
        Pila Mulligan: good*
        Myna Maven: Thanks, Pila. And good night. Have a nice one.
        Pila Mulligan: aloha

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