2009.02.25 07:00 - You Can't Always "Get" What you Want

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    The Acting Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble

    Susi and Fael were already seated quietly when I arrived but I seem not to have missed very much 

    Fael Illyar: Hi Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: hi Fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Susi and Fael :)
    Susi Alcott: Hello Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: How is everyone today?
    Fael Illyar: Hi buddha :)
    Adams Rubble: That is a very nice look you have today fael :)
    Adams Rubble: Hi buddha
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you Adams. I got it off a lucky chair around an hour, maybe two ago.'
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adelene joined us
    Fael Illyar: Hi Ade :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Adelene :)
    Adelene Dawner: Hi all, s'cuse me. I'm having connection trouble. :P
    Adams Rubble: bummer
    Susi Alcott: but Bayan Kytori, the psychiatrist is online but not here
    Susi Alcott: hi Adelene
    Adams Rubble: who is Bayan Kytori?
    Susi Alcott: he's psychiatrist and was exited for PaB
    Susi Alcott: Pila and I met him and he's on my friendlist
    Adams Rubble: Oh, I haven't met him
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Susi Alcott: he's from India
    Adams Rubble: :)
    buddha was next to arrive and I mentioned yesterdays Twelth Anniversary Celebration in Kira
    Susi Alcott: hi buddha
    Fael Illyar: Please join us here, buddha :)
    Adams Rubble: It was quite a day yesterdday in Kira
    Fael Illyar: I'm sure it was :)
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Fael Illyar: I think I recall reading an email talking about full sim :)
    Susi Alcott: visited for a moment while there was dance
    Adams Rubble: ah. I did not know about the dance
    Fael Illyar: I think it was spontaneous happening :)
    Adams Rubble: oh :)
    Susi Alcott: maybe that can be arranged an other time again
    Fael Illyar: genesis invited me :)
    Susi Alcott: and Fael invited me
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: When was that?
    Susi Alcott: but I'm not the member of Kira cafe
    Then Stevenaia appeared to us
    Adams Rubble: Hello Steve :)
    Susi Alcott: hi steve
    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Steve ^.^
    Susi Alcott: do you Fael remember the time ?
    Adams Rubble: I think being a member of Play-as-Being makes one at least an honorary member of Kira
    Fael Illyar: it was late for me I think ...
    Susi Alcott: aha
    stevenaia Michinaga: perfect place for work avoidance
    Fael Illyar: perhaps somewhere close to 3pm SLT
    Adams Rubble: :) Steve
    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
    Susi Alcott: Kira cafe of PaB or both :) ?
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm. I must have just missed it then :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, Steve is wearing my tattoo ^^/
    stevenaia Michinaga: :), it's very contagious, everyne loves them
    Susi Alcott: wonderfull
    Fael Illyar: it's for sale too now but no-one seems to be buying.
    Susi Alcott: I'm so limited that I thought it only to women
    stevenaia Michinaga: oops, I didn't know
    Adams Rubble: Steve is a walking ad for you Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: well, I'm asking for a lot :P
    stevenaia Michinaga: (not if I give them as gifts)
    Solobill popped in
    Adams Rubble: Good Morning Bill :)
    Fael Illyar: http://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php...ItemID=1236889
    Susi Alcott: hi Solo
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps you should try one on Adams?
    Solobill Laville: HI, folks! :)
    Adams Rubble tried one :)
    Fael Illyar: I think I did give Adams a copy :)
    Susi Alcott: it truely looks very nice on man too :)
    Adams Rubble: yes it does
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Solo
    Fael Illyar: Hi Solo :)
    Steve mentioned looking for inspiration and I decide to break the ice and talk about my latest round of confusion and we kick that around a bit
    stevenaia Michinaga: hoping to get some inspiration on a topic for my 7:00 PM session
    Fael Illyar: Well, it's perfectly fine to just be silent too :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: I have been working on the Chronicles lately and I have been transported back to the summer and it gets very confusing for me that I am now a former self so quickly :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have had to many quiet evenings
    Fael Illyar: former self?
    Adams Rubble: In order for me to understand what was happening then I transported myself a little backward
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: What is happening is that I have begun to see myself in layers
    Adams Rubble: or experience layers
    Adams Rubble: I quickly change moods from happy to anxious or sad very quickly
    Adams Rubble: As I move between the layers
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you change Avatars then?
    Adams Rubble: It is cross-avatars and cross RL
    Adams Rubble: but the avatars are layers too
    Susi Alcott: there are so strong events around the world that it's been very common for a while to truely many people
    Adams Rubble: The difference is that it doesn't seem to be conscious
    Fael Illyar: do you think it might be possible to call these layers shields?
    Susi Alcott: also among such people who are not in SL
    Adams Rubble: shields?
    Adams Rubble: Susi?
    Susi Alcott: I have many connections to more that 33 countries
    Adelene Dawner snores quiety.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Susi Alcott: much more; stopped to add after that No 'came'
    Adelene Dawner blinks.
    Fael Illyar: I've certainly been feeling all kinds of things the past couple of days :)
    Adelene departs and Susi responds with encouragement and goes on to talk about the Mayan calendar which ends in 2012
    Adelene Dawner: Bedtime.
    Adelene Dawner: cya later, all.
    Fael Illyar: Good night Ade :)
    Adams Rubble: night Adelene :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Susi Alcott: I'm also a member of 4 yahoo groups still
    Susi Alcott: and in connection with many long time friends by phone and meetings
    Susi Alcott: even some of so called the strongest ones have fallen much
    Adams Rubble begins to understand
    Susi Alcott: but I also have seen much good to come true around the world
    Susi Alcott: for people to been in connection via i-net
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Susi Alcott: no matter from which country; people have supported each other
    Susi Alcott: but what you Adams are talking now
    Adams Rubble: yes, that is very encouraging
    Susi Alcott: truely is very common
    Susi Alcott: surely there is much such that people create together in a way kind of own
    Susi Alcott: but I myself have been working with such stargates around the world already more than 9 years
    Susi Alcott: so I'm very convinced that also the nature is so called sifting
    Susi Alcott: and there's been tens of years millions of such people who are stairing up to the year 2012
    Susi Alcott: forgetting the people's free will to chooce
    Susi Alcott: yet; they are not so very wrong that changes are strong
    Susi Alcott: also what comes to the nature
    Adams Rubble: Why 2012?
    Susi Alcott: because the Mayan calender ends to that year
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, I have a count-down to that date on my computer...
    Susi Alcott: but Carl Johan Calleman, who examined Mayan Tradition and worked a lot with Humbatz Men, who is nowadays 'boss' of Mayan Tradition
    stevenaia Michinaga: 1394 days :)
    Susi Alcott: is my friend too
    Pema is the last to arrive as Susi continues
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)
    Susi Alcott: and I asked from Calle , that could it be so, that the calender ends because it had not been easy to know how the energies of nature shall effect to people
    Susi Alcott: hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Susi Alcott: because of the wider knowledge shall win
    Solobill Laville: Morning, Pema :)
    Susi Alcott: and Calle, who himself has created such calenders for people to know
    Adams Rubble: Are people thinking the world must end with the calendar?
    Susi Alcott: said that he never had thought so, but that it simply must be so
    Susi Alcott: no
    Fael Illyar: well, a big change is a kind of an "end" :)
    Fael Illyar: but not true end
    Susi Alcott: those millions of people believe to some kind of sudden enlightening to all of the people
    Susi Alcott: and I believe to the growth and lighetening to planet herself
    Susi Alcott: and seen that to happen more an more to people too
    Susi Alcott: so I beieve in natural growth
    Susi Alcott: not to any miracles
    Susi Alcott: but I don't so huge much speak of that
    Susi Alcott: but wanted to share my thoughts here
    Adams Rubble: Thank you Susi
    Solobill Laville: :) Thanks, Susi
    Susi Alcott: and some of the knowledge I have 'from around the wordl'
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi follows with s story
    Susi Alcott: may I tell a story ?
    Adams Rubble: please
    Solobill Laville likes stories
    Susi Alcott: one day much after 911
    stevenaia Michinaga: listens
    Susi Alcott: I went to the bank; use to try to go always to the lady who knows me
    Susi Alcott: did also that time
    Susi Alcott: she pointed to the lady next to her and said; "She's afraid of the world end"
    Susi Alcott: (as this lady truly knows me)
    Susi Alcott: then I said; "Dont you see that it happened already ?"
    Susi Alcott: she didn't understand ....sruely not....so I continued quite immedtiately saying this; "Never before so many people have united cross the planet"
    Susi Alcott: she dropped her fear
    Susi Alcott: end of the story
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    I first miss the point of the story about the dropping of fear; Bill asks Susi a new question
    Adams Rubble: Yes, sometimes tragedies serve to bring us togeter...at least most of us
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Solobill Laville: Susi, how do you see the role/relationship of people to the Earth?
    Susi Alcott: human being's realate to earth is very personal thing too
    Susi Alcott: but basicly it's a question of rhythm/time
    Susi Alcott: human being has own rhythm; not the same with Earth and not the sane with space
    Susi Alcott: not the exactly the same even with onself all the time
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Susi Alcott: yet not being any outsider off anything
    Susi Alcott: just the creative being
    Susi Alcott: the highest being on Earth
    Solobill Laville nods
    Solobill Laville: thank you
    i try to get Bill to answer how he sees it and he instead distracts me twith a question for me. I did indeed forget to raise the question again :)
    Adams Rubble wonders how Bill would answer his question
    Solobill Laville: Adams, you mentioned reading back to last summer
    Adams Rubble: yes Bill
    Solobill Laville dodges that bullet ;)
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Solobill Laville: How far does it seem, from here to there to you?
    Adams Rubble has a long memory
    Fael Illyar: wb Steve :)
    Susi Alcott: welcome back steve
    Solobill Laville: wb Steve
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
    Adams Rubble: I am still learning the answer to that BIll
    Susi Alcott: hoping my energies didn't breake your pc
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I did that on my own
    Back to me and my changes.....
    Adams Rubble: I at first was surprised to see how I haven't changed
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Adams Rubble: and then noticed that it was a bit more subtle
    Adams Rubble: I can give an example but it is somewhat personal to me
    Adams Rubble: or maybe a little painful is a better word
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: I get your meaning, it is OK
    Adams Rubble: It was the day in which Pema took my stubbornees to task...I think it is July 26 and is called "Journey to Ithaca"
    Pema Pera: I'd love to hear your example, if you don't mind sharing, Adams
    Solobill Laville: oh, yes, that ;)
    Pema Pera: yes, I remember
    Adams Rubble: When I read it at first I saad to myself "Gads I am the same person"
    Adams Rubble: It was actually, probably in waking up from sleep, that the difference emerged
    Adams Rubble: I first took Pema's words on their face value
    Adams Rubble: Then I began to realize that he had been speaking to metaphorically to what he thought I might understand at the time
    Solobill Laville nods
    Adams Rubble: The opening the door to God was the exact same advice
    Adams Rubble: that Pema later gave me in December
    Adams Rubble: that I needed to drop my identitites in order to Listen
    Adams Rubble: At least that is the way i see it
    Adams Rubble: now
    I threw the next line out as a bit of a joke and as often happens it is instead taken seriously and becomes the next thread
    Adams Rubble: I am still very stubborn :)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Pema Pera: aren't we all . . . .
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: when I talk about these things, whatever advice I come up with is at least as much directed to myself as to others
    Susi Alcott: so often we can be so alone with the base truth
    stevenaia Michinaga: always interesting what we choose to be stubborn about
    Susi Alcott: for that we should never give up from stubberness
    Pema Pera: we remind each other, to stop, to drop, to see, . . . . to stop carrying on stubbornly on our fixed-formula journey of life
    Solobill Laville: Yes, Steve, maybe step 1 is to see that we are stubborn, step 2 is to see what we're stubborn about, and step 3 is to ask why?
    Pema Pera: or just drop it without asking
    Fael Illyar: Some things are there because of necessity though...
    Solobill Laville: To me, depending, that may be step 4 :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: choose something you are NOT subborn about, and use it to try defend stubbornness... then it seems silly
    Solobill Laville: Often, I think that stubbornnes is to hold up some "thing" about what we think we are
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: but just dropping is a fast, if rough way, to find out why.
    Solobill Laville: Well, it is like melting ice as opposed to digging a rock our of your garden
    Solobill Laville: The rock may indeed need to come out
    Whoops, Moon is the really last person to arrive (Sorry Moon)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
    Pema Pera: the hardest part is to really *see* -- and asking why questions can help you see. Once you see, the dropping is natural and simple.
    Susi Alcott: hi Moon
    Adams Rubble: Hello Moon :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Moon!
    Moon Fargis: ^^^/
    Solobill Laville: Yes, agreed Pema, you are starting at the end again :)
    Moon Fargis: ahh pema huggng time :)
    Susi Alcott: so one thing to be stubbern is to keep asking as long it's needed that one can see
    Adams Rubble: But in my case I seem to need to learn to drop again and again
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Moon :)
    At this point, Fael is hugging pema from behind and Moon from the front

    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    Fael Illyar hugs Pema a bit more tightly for a moment.
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: being stubbern :)
    Pema Pera: We all have that need, Adams
    Solobill Laville: Adams, I think that the effort to that never really stops, but we can perhaps be more aware of the need
    Adams Rubble wonders how Pema is able to type :)
    Pema Pera: We need frequent reminders, which is the basic idea behind PaB
    Susi Alcott: lol
    Pema Pera: frequency seems to be more important than duration
    Pema Pera is used to work under stress :)
    Pema Pera: (from front and back)
    Adams Rubble: Yes Bill and Pema
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Nothing to "get". As I read the next few words here in my position as commentator, I am reminded of Mick Jaggar's words and so I put them in the title in order to show my musical knowledge is not limited to Leonard Cohen :)
    Pema Pera: The moment you think you "got" it, you've lost it, Adams . . . .
    Pema Pera: we are here to remind ourselves that there is nothing to get . . . .
    Fael Illyar: the moment you think you've "got" something, you stop looking at it.
    Susi Alcott: and isn't it so good; to know that we can loose all and yet have all
    Pema Pera: . . . and yet to also not continue in our old ways!
    Susi Alcott: surely speaking about the spiritual matters
    Adams Rubble: So we shouldn't be thinking of setting up an anniversary meeting next July 26th?
    Pema Pera: look at what you are . . . . so simple, but we have to help each other to figure out what that can mean
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: sure, fine with me, Adams -- in Ithaca?
    Solobill Laville: Ithaca - redux
    Adams Rubble: It's nice there in the summer :)
    Fael Illyar: anniversary?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was there on July 15th
    Then one by one we start to break up
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must return to RL, see you at 7:00
    Adams Rubble: bye Steve :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Steve :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Steve
    Pema Pera: c u Steve
    Pema Pera: I will have to leave too
    Pema Pera: Good talking with you all!
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Pema
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema. Thanks :)
    Pema Pera: Moon and Fael, you can now start hugging each other :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, see you later Pema :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: Goodbye as well!
    Adams Rubble: bye Bill :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Solo :)
    Solobill Laville: Nice to see you all
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Solobill Laville: I need to check out the library Moon!
    Moon Fargis: yes ^^
    Solobill Laville: Thanks for the effort on it :)
    Moon Fargis: np have fun there:)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I must get there too :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Moon Fargis: i wont stop you :)
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must be going too
    Susi Alcott: lol
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Fael Illyar: See you later Adams :)
    Moon Fargis: ok see you soon then ^^/
    Adams Rubble: bye all. Thanks for a good discussion :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: thank you Adams for that too
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: seems that there's two nice children willing to obey good commands :)))))))))
    Moon Fargis: heheh
    Fael Illyar smiles.
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