2009.02.25 13:00 - The meaning of appearances

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database and suggested a provisional title. Gen was the guardian.


    Wol Euler: hello gen
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Wol!
    Wol Euler: oooooh, a new look if I am not mistaken!
    Wol Euler: rezzing still but looks pretty zippy.
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks you to I think you have new hair?
    genesis Zhangsun: or perhaps it was obscured by the hat before
    Wol Euler: an old set that I rediscovered recently. My inventory is far too large
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe yes mine is getting there too
    genesis Zhangsun: but just like in RL I usually end up wearing one or two outfits a lot
    Wol Euler: heheh, yes my RL is significantly less fashion-enabled than my SL
    Wol Euler: though there is what Rivka my socologist buddy calls "backformation", where SL influences RL
    Wol Euler: I have started growing my hair out in RL after a decade of having it really short, because of SL hairstyles :)
    genesis Zhangsun: interesting the idea of back information
    genesis Zhangsun: and u can really identify the desire to grow you hair out from the influence of SL?
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Scathach!
    Wol Euler: well, either that or Corvi telling me that I should let it grow :)
    Wol Euler: hello scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gen, Wol:)
    genesis Zhangsun: we were talking about how SL carries over into RL :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)
    genesis Zhangsun: namely with Wol's hair
    Wol Euler: RL me seems to be growing it out :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: is it like your RL hair?
    Wol Euler: not this set in particular, but looking at myself in SL a little more closely
    Wol Euler: I've been modelling my RL appearance in a different shape that I won't wear here :-P
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)
    Wol Euler: and that has had a strange effect on how I think of my RL body
    Wol Euler: words like "reconciling" come to mind
    Wol Euler: "huh, not so old and ugly after all"
    Wol Euler grins
    genesis Zhangsun: well thats sounds like a positive change
    genesis Zhangsun: isn't it funny with body image its alway so extreme
    Wol Euler nods
    genesis Zhangsun: its either people are completely vain and narcisstic and body obsessed or
    genesis Zhangsun: they thing they are fat and ugly
    genesis Zhangsun: never sort of yeah my body is just normal
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Wol Euler nods, that takes a great deal of work ...
    Wol Euler: and much confidence.
    Wol Euler: hello again, allan
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Allan
    Wol Euler: haven't seen you for a while
    Allan Whiteberry: Hello Wol
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Allan
    Allan Whiteberry: Hello Scathach
    Allan Whiteberry: and genesis
    Allan Whiteberry: I{ve been busy
    Allan Whiteberry: What are we discussing today?
    genesis Zhangsun: but if you apply the principle that body and mind are really just two aspects of the same thing
    genesis Zhangsun: then what you may think about your body you may be thinking about everything
    genesis Zhangsun: you may be applying that same unbalanced way of viewing the world to everything around you
    Wol Euler ponders.
    genesis Zhangsun: we are talking Allan about body image
    Allan Whiteberry: ok
    Wol Euler: which has clear application to SL :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, and sometimes we meet people whose inner mind seems to totally eclipse whatever they may look like
    Allan Whiteberry: in SL everyone (almost) is beautiful
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, and those who defy that are to be treasured.
    genesis Zhangsun: Allan speaking about bodies your arm is very unnaturally twisted behind you
    genesis Zhangsun: is that just on my viewer?
    Wol Euler: looks OK to me.
    Allan Whiteberry: I don't know why that would be
    Scathach Rhiadra: and to me, must be your viewer:)
    genesis Zhangsun: that is so strange
    genesis Zhangsun: it appears on my viewer that someone has dislocated your shoulder
    Allan Whiteberry: If I look at myself from in front, both my hands are on my legs
    genesis Zhangsun: odd
    genesis Zhangsun: forget it
    Wol Euler: just a burp in the SL universe.
    genesis Zhangsun: yup
    Allan Whiteberry: In SL, how you appear to others is not necessarily how you appear to yourself
    Wol Euler: tell us about your new look, Gen. It's quite a departure from your usual appearance
    Wol Euler: (sorry, allan, didn't mea to type across you)
    genesis Zhangsun: hmm...yes I was just about to ask you what you all thought
    genesis Zhangsun: it seems that you appearance here (as you have chosen it unlike in RL( tells you a lot about the person)
    genesis Zhangsun: about what they think is beautiful
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    genesis Zhangsun: but what I think I am getting across may not be at all what you see to bring in Allan's point
    Allan Whiteberry: more precisely, what they think that others think is beautiful
    Wol Euler: not necessarily, allan, they may have built a body to please themselves only
    Allan Whiteberry: I think that is unlikely and rare
    genesis Zhangsun: well hard to separate where you start and society ends
    genesis Zhangsun: we can be highly influenced by societal notions of beauty without knowing it
    Allan Whiteberry: I think it's more instinctive
    genesis Zhangsun: so I can tell you what I think I am getting across with this look
    Allan Whiteberry: tell us
    genesis Zhangsun: I always find soft and tough beautiful
    genesis Zhangsun: so the wool outfit is sort of soft and feminine but the boots are sort of tough
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    genesis Zhangsun: yeah thats what I am going for
    Wol Euler: and the cuirasses (is that the word? arm protectors)
    Wol Euler: I like the curly pointy boots!
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I think ther eis soft and tough throughout the outfit
    genesis Zhangsun: yes and sort of futuristic
    genesis Zhangsun: and the glasses are about thoughtfulness
    genesis Zhangsun: geez this is sort of corny :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: nah, it's good and real
    genesis Zhangsun: I didn't really think about each part when I put it together but this is what I see now
    Wol Euler: think it as a live art history appreciatoin session
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Wol Euler: you've kept the Big Hair even while pulling it back
    Wol Euler: so that seems to be a part of Gen-ness
    genesis Zhangsun: yes and big hair that is the wildside ;)
    genesis Zhangsun: the rest says control, the hair says lets celebrate
    Wol Euler: how did I describe your previous look? "sexy NY jewish librarian" or similar
    genesis Zhangsun: I didn't remember the Jewish but that is a good addition
    Wol Euler: I was thinking of Susan Sontag actually :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I've always wanted to be Jewish :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: yeah, they get all the best jokes
    genesis Zhangsun: lets talk about you Wol
    Wol Euler: ok :)
    genesis Zhangsun: what are we seeing here
    Wol Euler: a real body, this is not me but it's modelled on a friend in RL
    Wol Euler: I wanted to be a non-Barbie
    Wol Euler: so Wol is (I think) good looking but also realistic, with "problem zones" :-)
    Wol Euler: like hte big butt and thighs, and the too-big mouth that hardly fits on my face
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I love your commitment to reality
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: for certain values of "real". this body isn't RL me
    genesis Zhangsun: its probably the best kind of commitment
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I understand that
    Wol Euler: but it is realistic
    genesis Zhangsun: but still the fact that you want to convey something real
    genesis Zhangsun: I see tough Northern European chic
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, high fashion wiht a slight chill.
    genesis Zhangsun: but the tattoos definitely say tough don't mess with me I know who I am
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, defenitely European:)
    Wol Euler grins. I am far too cowardly to get a tattoo in RL, but I do like them
    genesis Zhangsun: me too I always admire people that can get tatoos
    Allan Whiteberry: Tatoos are like graffitti on your body
    genesis Zhangsun: I take it you don't like them Allan?
    Wol Euler: actually, I think I understood what tattoos are about (might be about for me):
    Wol Euler: they are a way of being less naked.
    Allan Whiteberry: No. You should never deface your body
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I hear you Wol
    genesis Zhangsun: they shift the focus away from your nakedness
    Allan Whiteberry: I see many teenagers getting "tats" and it saddens me
    Allan Whiteberry: /when they get older, they will regret it
    Wol Euler: possibly, yes. With luck and good advice, they'll have used vegatable dyes that fade in 10 yrs or so
    genesis Zhangsun: Lets talk about Scathach
    Allan Whiteberry: getting a tat removed is costly, painful, and not always successful
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: yes, let's go around the circle :)
    genesis Zhangsun: your look really says super grounded
    genesis Zhangsun: earthy
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, never thought of that:)
    genesis Zhangsun: do you get that Wol?
    Wol Euler: yes, definitely.
    Wol Euler: it's odd to talk about such effects when we are all doing the same poses, but there are differences
    Wol Euler: based on body shape and clothing and our memories of conversation perhaps
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think I see character in you all, as well, not in most avatars
    Wol Euler: your expression has a calmness and focussing-on-the-middle-distance that is particular to you
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think I just fell into this look, to be honest
    genesis Zhangsun: yes elegant and simple not too this or that
    Wol Euler doesn't believe in coincidences :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: when I signed up for SL, didn't know that I had to pick an avatar look, so possibly picked the nearest to RL, though maybe 20 years ago:)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    genesis Zhangsun: yes which supports the groundedness even more
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Wol Euler: yes, gen.
    Scathach Rhiadra: haven't really spent a lot of time or effort in creating a look, well, apart from the hair:)
    genesis Zhangsun: hair is critical :)
    Wol Euler: oh yes.
    Scathach Rhiadra: once I was satisfied, haven't changed much
    genesis Zhangsun: see!!!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: which is probably not a great thing, considering the possibilities in SL:)
    Wol Euler: well ... yes and no. Depends what you think SL is for.
    Wol Euler: whether it'S a place to be or an experiment.
    Wol Euler: both are perfectly fine
    genesis Zhangsun: in for presentation or for content or both :)
    Allan Whiteberry: are those the only choices?
    Wol Euler: this is where "backformation" comes in again, with people using SL to model possible RL appearances or manners.
    Scathach Rhiadra: I guess I am just happy with the way I look now, and have no reason to change much
    genesis Zhangsun: would you say you feel that way in RL too?
    Wol Euler: Allan, no, of course not :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, reasonably happy, still getting old of course:)
    Wol Euler: sounds fair :)
    genesis Zhangsun: shall we?
    Wol Euler: get old?
    genesis Zhangsun: move to Allan
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: yes, let's do.
    Allan Whiteberry: You tell me what you think
    Wol Euler: barefoot is unusual for males
    Wol Euler: combined with the leather jacket it is a slightly odd look somehow, urban against smalltown in the country
    genesis Zhangsun: yeah but the leather jacket says Harley Davidson
    Wol Euler: your blue eyes are quite striking, I bet you spent a lot of time finding htem
    Allan Whiteberry: Sorry, I forgot to put on my shoes
    genesis Zhangsun: so I go for laid back country boy
    genesis Zhangsun: but then the hair
    genesis Zhangsun: is dark
    genesis Zhangsun: so there is a sort of rebel thing going on
    genesis Zhangsun: a little angst
    Wol Euler: a touch of Ziggy Marley inthere somewhere
    Scathach Rhiadra: but it suits the whole look
    Wol Euler: you want to look tougher than you are :)
    Wol Euler: hello pila
    Allan Whiteberry: I don't know who Ziggy is, but I think you are way overanylizing it
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    genesis Zhangsun: thats what we do Allan :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Pila
    Allan Whiteberry: When I first came on, I had a "newbie" avatar
    Allan Whiteberry: Everthing I have now was a gift or free stuff
    Allan Whiteberry: A girl told me how I should look
    Wol Euler smiles. And you had the sense to listen. Good.
    Allan Whiteberry: hahahah
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Fefonz
    Wol Euler: no, I'm serious. There's nothing at all wrong with getting a little help
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz:)
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Fefonz
    Wol Euler: hello fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hello all :)
    genesis Zhangsun: Well I shared a little bit about my sense of what I see as "beautiful"
    genesis Zhangsun: what do you see as beautiful Allan?
    Allan Whiteberry: In general or the opposite sex?
    genesis Zhangsun: is there a sort of aesthetic you subscribe to consciously or unconsciously could be in general
    Allan Whiteberry: Well, I like simplicity and not flashiness
    Fefonz Quan: i know it when i see it
    Allan Whiteberry: That's a very true, but shouldn't be that vague
    Wol Euler: Pila, Fefonz, we were discussing avatar appearances, how and why people chose their avs and what the appearnce means to them
    Wol Euler: I am struck by the difference Fefonz' shades make to his av, they add a dimension of humour and coolness.
    Scathach Rhiadra: true:)
    Wol Euler: I hadn't noticed your slight sardonic smile before
    genesis Zhangsun: hehe
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I think your av suits you Fefonz
    Wol Euler: tell us about your appearance please?
    Fefonz Quan: thanks Gen, i put so little effort to it, one afternoon, that somehwo i guees i didn't try hard to say soething with it
    Wol Euler: but "no comment" can be a very significant statement, especially when everyone else is speaking in paragraphs :)
    genesis Zhangsun: yup :)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Fefonz Quan: yes, it can be "i have not much time to invest in it right now" for example
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fefonz Quan: or "i'm new to this world, lets do something short and then elaborate later"
    Wol Euler: but you do have time to come to PaB every evening ...
    Fefonz Quan: and then as you know later ther are always more important things to do
    genesis Zhangsun: you know you are never going to elaborate :)
    genesis Zhangsun: who are you trying to kid?
    genesis Zhangsun: ;)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Fefonz Quan: exactly :)
    Wol Euler: ooooh
    Wol Euler: so come out and admit htat you like your av and are pleased with your appearnce!
    genesis Zhangsun: yes!
    genesis Zhangsun: and that you are choosing it!
    Wol Euler: yes!
    Fefonz Quan: well i am not unpleased with it, other wise i would have changed it
    genesis Zhangsun: take responsibility :)
    Allan Whiteberry: Got to go now. Bye to you all
    Pila Mulligan: bye Allan
    genesis Zhangsun: bye Allan
    Fefonz Quan: bye Allen
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Allan
    Wol Euler: bye allan, take care.
    Fefonz Quan: Yes Wol, i find it more interesting to come to our meetings and have this inspiring discussions than working on my Av's appearance
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: which is fine
    genesis Zhangsun: what about the watch and the shades though those were some elaborations
    Fefonz Quan: maybe if i should want to meet a girl here i would do differently
    Wol Euler: actually, I wouldn't be too sure.
    genesis Zhangsun: and the colors- can I guess that you liked the 70s?
    Fefonz Quan: the watch is for the ringing, infact in the beginning i didn't noticed it is seen at all
    genesis Zhangsun: you know my opinion on the 70s :)
    Wol Euler: I personally am more impressed by a handmade av than by a "good" one
    Fefonz Quan: no Gen,
    genesis Zhangsun: oh I think it was probably the best time ever
    Wol Euler: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: and really sad I didn't grow up during that period
    Pila Mulligan: The Revolution
    Fefonz Quan: and about the color - yes, it remind me of one of my favorite shirt items :)
    Wol Euler needs more tea, brb
    genesis Zhangsun: okay Pila last minute would you like to share something about what you are communicating here with your av?
    Pila Mulligan: I tried to make my SL avi reflect the real life Pila as well as I could, but real life Pila cannot quite be replicated within the limits of SL, or at least within the limits of my SL capabilities
    Fefonz Quan miss the 80's more, if ever
    genesis Zhangsun: early 80s okay late 80s bad
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Pila I that immediately that you are communicating the real you
    Fefonz Quan: late 80's spent in teh army, you can guess which fashion i wore then ;-)
    genesis Zhangsun: *get that
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, "Pila" is very real
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Pila Mulligan: did I give you a picture of the rl Pila Wol?
    Wol Euler: you did :)
    Wol Euler: quite charming!
    Pila Mulligan: how oculd anyone replicate that :) ?
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pila Mulligan: well, an old hippy, charming is quesitonable
    Wol Euler: it would be a challenge, I grant you.
    Pila Mulligan: anyone care for a rl photo?
    genesis Zhangsun: sure
    Wol Euler: but the fame and glory should you succeed, would be worth every pain.
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes
    genesis Zhangsun: I agree charming :)
    Wol Euler: isn't he sweet?
    Scathach Rhiadra: indeed:)
    genesis Zhangsun: and your buddies look charming too
    Pila Mulligan: well, thanks, but old hippy may be more accurate
    Pila Mulligan: yes, they really are
    genesis Zhangsun: old charming hippie
    Pila Mulligan: skillful too
    Fefonz Quan: totally, but what about the high boots? ;-)
    Pila Mulligan: mud boots Fefonz
    Pila Mulligan: rain forest
    genesis Zhangsun: I've got to move to Hawaii
    genesis Zhangsun: what are we doing here
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: so my avi is as close a s I could get
    Wol Euler: well, I have eight opera companies within a 2-hour car drive...
    Pila Mulligan: yes, and good restuarants too, i bet
    Wol Euler grins and nods
    genesis Zhangsun: and how often do you go to the opera>
    Wol Euler: three or four times a year, most years.
    genesis Zhangsun: okay fine good for you :)
    Wol Euler is a Ring fan :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: and I've got most of Europe within a short plane trip
    genesis Zhangsun: fine I am going on my own
    genesis Zhangsun: to see Pila
    Scathach Rhiadra: heh:)
    Wol Euler giggles. Oh I didn't say we wouldn't go, we just might not stay.
    Fefonz Quan: yeah hawaii 5-0
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: welcome
    Pila Mulligan: my next project is a nice, comfortable camp site
    Pila Mulligan: for visitors
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: would it have felt inauthentic for you Pila to have choosen an av that didn't look like you?
    Pila Mulligan: thanks for dropping in Lucas
    Lukas Frostbite: uhhhh.
    Lukas Frostbite: sorry.
    Pila Mulligan: yes Gen it wold
    Pila Mulligan: no problem Luka
    Wol Euler: no worries, join us. we seldom bite.
    Lukas Frostbite: o.o
    genesis Zhangsun: unless you want us to grrr ;)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Lukas Frostbite: ill- join.
    Pila Mulligan: so it seems you began SL yesterday :)
    Wol Euler: ah, welcome.
    Lukas Frostbite: Uhh, yeah.
    Lukas Frostbite: thanks alot.
    Wol Euler: but already customized your appearance. Good!
    Lukas Frostbite: hehe.
    Wol Euler grins
    Pila Mulligan: we were just chatting about what we try to are communicate here with our avi
    Fefonz Quan: avatars that is
    Lukas Frostbite: huh.
    Pila Mulligan: yes the SL image :)
    Wol Euler: "the avatar is the window of hte soul" as a friend of mine said
    Lukas Frostbite: Yeah, i know what that stands for.
    Wol Euler: because unlike RL appearance it's all _chosen_
    genesis Zhangsun: so why did you choose to be bald Lukas?
    Wol Euler: ah, settles that question :)
    genesis Zhangsun: oh just as I said that hair appeared :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: for all of you?
    Fefonz Quan: well, RL cloth and othe appearances are chosen as well
    Wol Euler: at first yes
    Lukas Frostbite: The Hair i have is bugged and i cant fiujnd and good hair for guys. D:
    Lukas Frostbite: any*
    Wol Euler: oh I can give you a few landmarks to stores with good/cheap hair, just a mo
    Lukas Frostbite: Sweet.
    Lukas Frostbite: (BTW im not a complete n00b, ive played before xD, just a new account)
    genesis Zhangsun: now there is a phrase you won't hear often in RL
    Wol Euler grins. I had guessed.
    Fefonz Quan: incarnation, i see
    Scathach Rhiadra: mm, what phrase?
    Pila Mulligan: noob?
    genesis Zhangsun: about good/cheap hair
    Lukas Frostbite: Thx for the LM
    Pila Mulligan: oh
    Wol Euler: all of htem have some freebies or very cheap hair.
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)
    Wol Euler: and are also quite good
    Lukas Frostbite: I only have 17 L$ ATM, getting more when i get paid.
    Lukas Frostbite: :D
    Fefonz Quan: you could give that link to me Wol, though you pushed me to say how i love my avatar :)
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Lukas Frostbite: So, Who here actually got the alice in wonderland ride to work.
    Lukas Frostbite: ?
    Wol Euler: never heard of it...
    Scathach Rhiadra: ?
    Lukas Frostbite: reallly?
    Pila Mulligan: a question that went over my head Luk
    genesis Zhangsun: me too
    Lukas Frostbite: Yeah?
    Lukas Frostbite: oh.
    Lukas Frostbite: uhhh, its actually a ride.
    Lukas Frostbite: in SL
    Wol Euler: (by the way, did anyone ask about recording yet?)
    genesis Zhangsun: oh crap no
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Lukas Frostbite: .....i found it on the Places to Go/SPOTLIGHT.
    Pila Mulligan: Lukas, we need to ask if you mind your chat being posted
    Lukas Frostbite: Wait......Recording What o.o///
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Pila Mulligan: you are on the record
    Lukas Frostbite: yup.
    Wol Euler: officially this is a meeting of a meditation group :)
    Lukas Frostbite: okay, ill be quite.
    genesis Zhangsun: exploration of reality
    Pila Mulligan: no no
    genesis Zhangsun: no we would like you to stay
    Pila Mulligan: the answer is yes it is ok or no please don't record me
    Wol Euler: no need to leave.
    genesis Zhangsun: we have a wiki
    genesis Zhangsun: where we post chatlogs
    genesis Zhangsun: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Lukas Frostbite: i dont care if you record me.
    genesis Zhangsun: okay thats all
    Pila Mulligan: there :) thanks
    Lukas Frostbite: -checking link atm-\
    Wol Euler: ty
    Wol Euler: ha, one day old and already heas golden serpent's eyes...
    genesis Zhangsun: are those highly coveted I have no idea?
    Wol Euler: rather that they are hard to find.
    Wol Euler: Lukas must have known what he was after and hwere to find it :)
    genesis Zhangsun: good eyes Wol or rather Lukas ;)
    Wol Euler: or perhaps I do over-analyze :)
    Pila Mulligan: as for beauty in general, is anyone familiar with where Barack Obama's first name came from?
    genesis Zhangsun: observant
    genesis Zhangsun: no
    Wol Euler: no, pila?
    Pila Mulligan: the word baraka -- it means grace, as in a spirutal sense, and blessing
    Fefonz Quan: no, we have that word in our language though
    Fefonz Quan: ah, yes
    Wol Euler: aah, how appropriate. He is a very graceful man.
    Pila Mulligan: yes, it is in several languages of the mideast
    genesis Zhangsun: bless that man's mother :)
    Fefonz Quan: no, in ours barak means lightning
    Pila Mulligan: oh :)
    Pila Mulligan: well, there you have another apsect
    genesis Zhangsun: lightening grace
    Pila Mulligan: it appears a lot in Sufi stuff
    Fefonz Quan: hope won't bring big thunders afterward...
    Pila Mulligan: as blessing or grace
    Wol Euler: Pila you were saying earlier that rain at the end of a ceremony is traditionally a good, auspicious, sign in Hawaii?
    Pila Mulligan: yes Wol
    Pila Mulligan: thunder happens sometime too :)
    Pila Mulligan: but only rarely
    Pila Mulligan: I rememebr the first time I saw thunder in that situation -- it was awesome
    Fefonz Quan: i thought thunder is heard
    Pila Mulligan: usually it is
    Pila Mulligan: this was about fifteen years ago
    Pila Mulligan: there was a government project to build a big facility rig it hte middle of the rainforest here
    Pila Mulligan: it owuld have ruing the forest
    Pila Mulligan: it was actually a national issue at the time
    Pila Mulligan: Save the Rainforest
    Pila Mulligan: so people came form all the islands to the site and wlaked a couple of miles uphill throguth the forest to get there
    Pila Mulligan: it was a really beautiful sunny day
    Pila Mulligan: Hawaiians ahd each brought a pohaku or special stone from their home places -- on other isalnds as well
    Lukas Frostbite: Sorry About that, SL froze, anyway, carry on.
    Pila Mulligan: some wlaked on the lava barefoot to the top
    Pila Mulligan: at the top there were chants and a ceremony and then each rock was used to build an altar
    Pila Mulligan: at the porject site
    Pila Mulligan: as it completed, there began a light rain sprinkle, as most people hoped
    Lukas Frostbite: i have to go.
    Pila Mulligan: then there was this respounding thunder through the forest -- you could feel it
    Wol Euler: bye lukas, take care
    Pila Mulligan: bye Lukas
    Pila Mulligan: I was working with the attonreys represening the activists and standing next to the attorney for the devleoper
    Pila Mulligan: he started shaking visbly
    Pila Mulligan: the project was eventually stoppped
    Fefonz Quan: that's a nice story !
    Pila Mulligan: it was a nice epxreince :)
    Pila Mulligan: thanks
    Wol Euler likes happy endings.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Pila Mulligan: google Wao Kele o Puna for more (means Rain Forest of Puna)
    genesis Zhangsun: I must be off too friends :)
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks Pila
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks everyone
    Wol Euler: 'night gen, thank you. It was a nice session.
    Pila Mulligan: bye gen
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Gen, see you soon:)
    genesis Zhangsun: bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think I will head off too, have a reasonably early night for once:)
    Fefonz Quan: bye gen
    Wol Euler: yes, so should I.
    Pila Mulligan: bye Scath and Wol
    Wol Euler: Fefonz, we _will_ go shopping, I promise you that.
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night all, namasté
    Fefonz Quan: bye Scath
    Fefonz Quan: great Wol :)
    Fefonz Quan: anf i am cool with that Avi :)
    Wol Euler: 'night scath, bye pila, bye fefonz
    Wol Euler: good!
    Fefonz Quan: night Wol ;-)
    Wol Euler grins and waves
    Pila Mulligan: so I will do some rl stuff also now, Fefonz -- see oyu next time
    Fefonz Quan: see you Pila, nice image :)
    Pila Mulligan: thanks -- bye bye
    Visitor: hi
    Pila Mulligan: hi Visitor
    Pila Mulligan: how are you?
    Visitor: fine you
    Pila Mulligan: fine thanks
    Visitor: what are u doing
    Pila Mulligan: well, this pavillion has chats every six hours,every day
    Pila Mulligan: one just ended
    Visitor: :)
    Pila Mulligan: they are at 1 and 7 SL time( am and pm)
    Pila Mulligan: looks like you recently joined SL
    Visitor: yeah
    Pila Mulligan: how do you like it so far
    Visitor: hmmm
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Visitor: i dont know :)
    Pila Mulligan: i actually don't particularly like SL in general, but this place is good
    Visitor: but i m bored
    Pila Mulligan: yep, a way to communicate mor eor less :)
    Pila Mulligan: if you would like more information about this place, take a look at www.kira.org on the web
    Pila Mulligan: you are welcome to join the chats
    Visitor: ok thanks
    Pila Mulligan: now I need to be going off to rl stuff, nice to meet you Visitor
    Visitor: me too
    Pila Mulligan: bye
    Visitor: thanks for help



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