2009.03.06 07:00 - Enter to Return

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    The Guardian for this meeting was quen Oh. The comments are by quen Oh. We start with Adams, Corvi and Pema.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: HI Adams.
    Adams Rubble: How are you this morning :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I might have to leave suddenly, i have an appt at 10 I'm waiting to show up.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm well!
    Adams Rubble: yes, I have one too. We'll see which one happens first. hehe
    Adams Rubble: Thank you for helping with the interviews for the Chronicles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Adams Rubble: I am working my way through the year slowly
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: quickly according to the wiki!
    Adams Rubble: only about halfway through and only three weeks left :)
    Adams Rubble: oh thanks :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Quen :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi, Quen!
    quen Oh: hy Adams and Corvi!
    quen Oh: how are you?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i'm well, you?
    Adams Rubble: yes, me too, thanks. and you?
    quen Oh: fine too
    Adams Rubble: Yay!
    Adams Rubble: Hello pema :)
    quen Oh: hey Pema!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mornin, Pema.
    Adams Rubble: Either Corvi or I may be leaving suddlenly
    Adams Rubble: Hello Ayrton
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams, Corvi, Quen!
    quen Oh: hello Ayrton!
    Adams Rubble: We each determined we have appts.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Adams Rubble: But we couldn't keep ourselves away
    quen Oh: ah ok, well that can happen
    quen Oh: nice!
    quen Oh: is it me, or is SL very laggy today?
    Adams Rubble: PaB keeps one busy :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adams Rubble: I haven't experienced too much lag yet today
    quen Oh: must be me perhaps
    quen Oh: rl lag ;-)

    We talk about "Urk"! (and we are not even martians!) Meanwhile Chiaiu joins us.

    Pema Pera: Quen, you may be amused to hear that I got an email from Corvi today with subject line "urk"
    Adams Rubble: Hello Chiaiu
    Pema Pera: Corvi, I don't know whether you read my reply already?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no.
    Pema Pera: Hi Chi!
    Chiaiu Chiung: hello all :)
    Pema Pera: Well, Quen will explain to you now what Urk mans in Dutch
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Quen?
    quen Oh: it is a place in the Netherlands, a former island
    Pema Pera: or our good friend wikipedia can help out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urk
    Pema Pera: I happened to live there from age 3 till 9
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: because of what is called poldering, the making of new land, it is now surrounded by land
    quen Oh: but still has a harbour
    quen Oh: hello Adelene!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Ade :)
    Adelene Dawner: hi :)
    Chiaiu Chiung: hello
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Adelene!!!!!!!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins!
    Adelene Dawner: Corvi!
    Pema Pera: as a total foreigner; my parents were among the very few non-Urkers on the island; my father was a school teacher there
    Pema Pera: Hi Adelene!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Pema..cool!
    Adelene Dawner: Hiya Pem ^.^
    Pema Pera: So I grew up as a "foreigner"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: that must have been strange.. as former islanders it seems a pretty closed community
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's funny, cause urk and ook are common words in my sl vocabulary..ook doesn't have a special meaning does it?
    quen Oh: hopefully it helped that your father was a teacher
    Corvuscorva Nightfire hugs Ade.
    Pema Pera: ook means "also" in Dutch :)
    Adelene Dawner grins widely and snuggles Corvi.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook!
    Pema Pera: no, it didn't, Quen, on the contrary
    Adelene Dawner giggles.
    quen Oh: in Dutch it means '' too " or "also"
    Pema Pera: everyone hating school was taking it out on me . . . .
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: poor Pema!
    quen Oh: aargh.,, that is not nice
    Adams Rubble is impressed that Corvi speaks Dutch
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adams Rubble: poor pema!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: me too!
    Pema Pera: I survived :)
    quen Oh: I had the big advantage in primary school that I was the tallest, relatively strong and I could play soccer very well
    Adelene Dawner grins upside down at Peam (:
    Pema Pera: :)
    Adelene Dawner *spells* upside down at Pema, too, apparently. ^.^
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: the school system was totally stupid: all smart kids were expected to help out the others,,
    quen Oh: so they had to line up in front of my desk... normally that should be deadly socially

    Molly joins us, she even speaks a little Dutch, like Pema and me! (technically it is South-African, but that is Dutch too)

    Adams Rubble: hello Molly
    Pema Pera: Hi Molly, come join us if you like
    Chiaiu Chiung: hi molly
    quen Oh: the teacher only supervised and did the grading while we could explain the sums and other exercises.. pedagogically a total mystery to me still
    quen Oh: hi Molly, nice to meet you
    Adams Rubble: seems very strange Quen
    Molly Beauchamp: hello
    Pema Pera: so that was a short-lived experiment I presume, Quen?
    Pema Pera: Hello Molly!
    Molly Beauchamp: hi
    Pema Pera: you can take a seat if you like
    Molly Beauchamp: thanks
    Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Molly?
    quen Oh: no, that lasted years, the last year in school I had no more books or exercises, so was doing explaining and little tasks like watering plants, dishes, errands
    Molly Beauchamp: no, I haven't
    Pema Pera: We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Molly Beauchamp: that would be interesting
    quen Oh: calvinist teacher in highest grades
    Pema Pera: thanks, Molly!
    Molly Beauchamp: that would be great thanks
    Speaking of Dutch towns (Urk), having the German Chiaiu and Molly too, the language evenings in the Kira Cafe come up:
    Pema Pera: On another topic, if I may:
    Pema Pera: in the Kira Cafe we have had special language evenings
    quen Oh: of course
    Pema Pera: the Japanese language meeting is going very well, steady attendance of ten or more avatars each week
    Pema Pera: but I guess the other ones didn't get off the ground
    quen Oh: I was a few times on monday alone, so I gave up on dutch I must confess
    Pema Pera: perhaps we should try again, with Dutch and German at least
    Pema Pera: we now have quite a few guardians who speak either language
    quen Oh: why not?
    Molly Beauchamp: I tried Dutch one
    Pema Pera: Ah, do you speak Dutch, Molly?
    Chiaiu Chiung: i wasn't there, but i can boost the german evening +1
    quen Oh: ah leuk Molly!
    Pema Pera: werkelijk waar :-) ?
    Molly Beauchamp: I do a littel bit, I had to learn Afrikaans as a child and there are some simarlarities
    Pema Pera: ah, yes, there are
    Molly Beauchamp: you guys are proficient
    Pema Pera: just enough to understand
    Pema Pera: well, I was born in Holland and so was Quen :)
    quen Oh: und du sprichst deutsch Chiaiu?
    Molly Beauchamp: Ph well that explains it
    Chiaiu Chiung: ja
    quen Oh: toll! ;-)
    Pema Pera: Chiaiu speaks both Dutch and German in "ja" :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: one word we have in common in the two languages
    Molly Beauchamp: Just the one word then!
    Chiaiu Chiung: didn't know how many languages I can speak :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    quen Oh: we have more words in common, but that must be the most used one ;-)
    Pema Pera: So what would be good times for a Dutch and a German session in the Kira Cafe?
    Pema Pera: and/or good days?
    Chiaiu Chiung: when were they before?
    Pema Pera: we moved them around a few times
    quen Oh: we had monday, but that evening I am relatively late home most times, and tuesday I have evening meetings too very often
    Pema Pera: the problem is, we don't want to collide with the PaB session at 1 pm, nor with the workshop sessions as 2 pm but 3 pm SLT is too late, that is midnight in Europe
    quen Oh: yes..
    Chiaiu Chiung: right
    Pema Pera: so perhaps 12 noon, which is 9 pm would that be okay Quen and Chi?
    quen Oh: depend the day
    Chiaiu Chiung: right again
    Pema Pera: which days do you prefer?
    Adams Rubble: Bye everyone. I mst go now. thanks for the chat :)
    quen Oh: bye Adams!
    Molly Beauchamp: bye
    Pema Pera: bye Adams!
    Chiaiu Chiung: maybe monday or wednesday
    Pema Pera: Would Wednesday work for Dutch and Monday for German, say?
    quen Oh: well monday and friday are difficult ones, wednesday? or is there another language then?
    Pema Pera: haha, great minds think alike, simultaneous typing, Chi :)
    quen Oh: sounds good
    quen Oh: funny
    Pema Pera: Let's suggest that; we used to have Dutch on Mondays and German on Wednesday, so we can just switch -- and shall we make it 12 noon then, right?
    quen Oh: right
    Chiaiu Chiung: ok
    quen Oh: 21.00 here
    Pema Pera: I guess Gilles is one of the few French speakers . . . would he be interested in hosting a French evening, you think, Quen?
    quen Oh: not sure, would have to ask, only he is traveling this week
    Pema Pera: ah, no -- stop the press -- Wednesday 12 noon Gilles has his philosophy seminar!
    Pema Pera: We don't want to collide with that for our Dutch hour
    quen Oh: he likes to speak french as he does not often more get the chance
    Pema Pera: so difficult to schedule things . . . .
    Pema Pera: he recently moved from 2 pm to 12 noon . . .
    quen Oh: I though it was 1 pm... let me check
    quen Oh: you are right Pema, it is at noon, same time
    quen Oh: perhaps we schedule it afterwards?
    Pema Pera: and at 11 am we have the time workshop . . .
    Pema Pera: at 1 pm we have PaB . . .
    Pema Pera: how about Thursday?
    Pema Pera: or Friday?
    quen Oh: yes, not sure what is the schedule there, as there are often workshops too
    quen Oh: friday can be a difficult night?
    Pema Pera: 12 noon is always open, since it is Happy Hour
    Pema Pera: except Wednesday, when Gilles took over the Happy Hour slot . . . .
    quen Oh: lol chaos
    Pema Pera: is Thursday okay with you, Quen?
    Pema Pera: (sorry everybody, didn't expect this to become so complicated!)
    quen Oh: yes, he wanted first 1 pm I remember, as the europeans had difficulties late in the evening
    quen Oh: but that was PaB time..
    quen Oh: yes it is I think, 12 PM
    Pema Pera: okay -- I'll end out notices
    Pema Pera: *send
    Planning and scheduling are not the most inspiring activities there are..!
    Pema Pera: Sorry Corvi and Adelene
    Pema Pera: Poor Corvi has fallen asleep . . . .
    Adelene Dawner: Aw, it's okay, Pema.
    Adelene Dawner: The ceiling is interesting here. ^.^
    quen Oh: perhaps it is an idea to make a schedule noteccard for the Kira Cafe? so we can memorise the full week activities
    quen Oh: and the bird sounds too
    quen Oh: nice to meet you Chiaiu!
    Pema Pera: there is a calendar, Quen:
    Chiaiu Chiung: nice to meet you quen
    Pema Pera: http://www.kira.org/index.php?option...=83&Itemid=113
    quen Oh: ah thank you Pema
    quen Oh: where are you from in Germany Chiaiu?
    quen Oh: east, west, middle, north, south?
    Chiaiu Chiung: ruhrgebiet
    Chiaiu Chiung: west
    quen Oh: ah yes, that is not too far from here
    Chiaiu Chiung: how many people might be there on the german chat?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire reads up the log and laughs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am reading your email and thinking about it...totally checked out.
    quen Oh smiles
    Pema Pera: maybe five or six, at least, Chi
    Pema Pera: possibly more
    Chiaiu Chiung: ok
    So we switch to way more inspiring nerd talk about computers and Mac and Windows and how to use code to type umlauts in german (ä, ï, ë, ü, ö)...
    quen Oh: always find german difficult with US keyboard
    quen Oh: and all the extra e's look a bit ugly
    quen Oh: a Berlin friend of mine was so appalled by the lack of umlaut he prefers we speak english
    Pema Pera: yes, it does, I have to learn to type the umlauete (correct?) on a Mac key board
    quen Oh: the only umlaut I know are ë and ï
    quen Oh: alt 137 and alt 139
    quen Oh: because they are used in dutch too
    Pema Pera: alt 137? How do you type that?
    quen Oh: ä
    Pema Pera: hahaha, yes, but *what* do you type
    quen Oh: ah alt 132, discovered a new one, well you press alt key and type the number
    Pema Pera: do you keep alt pushed in and then type those numbers?
    Pema Pera: that doesn't work on a Mac
    quen Oh: yes, just try it
    quen Oh: ai
    Pema Pera: ¡£
    quen Oh: ol
    Pema Pera: :(
    quen Oh: perhaps this is usefull Pema? http://academic.evergreen.edu/projec...ii_ext-mac.htm
    Pema Pera: but what is <op> ?
    quen Oh: don't know have no Mac, no key with "op" on it?
    Pema Pera: ah, option perhaps
    Pema Pera: ä
    Pema Pera: yeah!
    Chiaiu Chiung: <op><sh>a Hold down the Option, Shift and "a" keys simultaneously, then release the keys.
    Chiaiu Chiung: :)
    quen Oh: the option key indeed
    Pema Pera: that doesn't work on a mac, Chi
    Pema Pera: but the op-u-a works
    quen Oh: just found this: http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/reso...keyboard-1.jpg
    Pema Pera: äää
    quen Oh: so can see what Pema is staring at
    Pema Pera: and yes, option key is alt key
    quen Oh: lol you did it!
    quen Oh: and you have a return key!!
    quen Oh: like on the old commodores 64
    Pema Pera: ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire scritches Ade's ears.
    quen Oh: I always call the enter key 'return', nobody understands, but it is still there in Mac keyboard, in Windows keyboard it is enter
    Adelene Dawner purrrrrrrrrrs/
    Pema Pera: !
    Pema Pera: Sorry again, Corvi and Adelene
    quen Oh: perhaps Bill found 'return' not very commercial...
    Adelene Dawner giggles.
    Pema Pera: it does say "enter" in small print about return . . . for the recently converted
    quen Oh: didn't want to see his gear returned after mistakes, and the word alone repeated so often too dangerously inspiring...
    Adelene Dawner recognizes 'return', Quen... and is surprised to hear that some people don't.
    quen Oh: well most people grew up with "enter" I guess
    Pema Pera: that good old typewriter thingy that returned to the beginning of the line with a big clunk
    quen Oh: yes lol
    Pema Pera thought Quen was too young to know what he was talking about
    quen Oh: maybe enter has something to do with the "welcome" screen of Windows when you start up?
    quen Oh: tssssk
    Adelene Dawner grins at Squee. Needed that.
    Chiaiu Chiung: sorry, I must go
    quen Oh: I wrote in secundary school my first papers on such a thing, but same time playing with commodore 64 pc
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Chiaiu.
    Pema Pera: bye Chiaiu!
    Chiaiu Chiung: bye everyone
    quen Oh: bye Chiaiu!
    quen Oh: does the Mac have a welcome screen Pema?
    Pema Pera: the Mac crashed so very rarely that I don't even remember what the screen looks like when I log in -- I always put it to sleep, and let it wake up -- reboot less than once month
    quen Oh: after repeatedly crashing it can be an annoying screen in Windows, while waiting to start up... never much feel welcome ;-)
    quen Oh: nice, it is better energywise some ICT-friends of me once explained
    quen Oh: starting up uses more power than let it run
    Pema Pera: I'm talking about my laptop
    quen Oh: wow
    Pema Pera: so I put it to sleep when I don't use it, and then it wakes up when I open it
    Pema Pera: never ever use a desktop
    quen Oh: only my pc can do that, not the laptop
    Pema Pera: for the last ten years or so
    Pema Pera: "nomadic computing"
    quen Oh: you have a 10you laptop?? or you do this for the last 10 years now?
    quen Oh: 10 yo*
    Pema Pera: no, I have not used a desktop in more than 10 years, but many laptops
    quen Oh: gosh!
    Pema Pera: a new one every two years on average
    quen Oh: well for graphic programms I prefer my monster pc, far more speedy and better images
    Pema Pera: yes I can see that
    quen Oh: `though on this laptop I can still see Adelenes nice paws pretty sharp
    Pema Pera: well, I have to get going
    Pema Pera: I'm looking forward to see what the title of this session will be :-)
    Pema Pera: alt-u-a = ä perhaps?
    quen Oh: bye Pema! gosh have no idea yet, mostly it is pretty clear, this is more difficult lol
    quen Oh: return to enter?
    Pema Pera: great!
    Pema Pera: or enter to return?
    quen Oh: better I think
    quen Oh: more mysterious
    Pema Pera: there you go!
    quen Oh: and a plead for the Mac
    Pema Pera: c u all soon again!
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Pema ^.^
    quen Oh: bye Pema
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Pema
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's time for me to go, too.
    quen Oh: nice you were here Corvi! (love the boots!)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks, Quen!!!
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Quen :)
    quen Oh: bye Adelene!</sh></op></op>
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