2009.03.09 07:00 - Dissolving v. Answering the Question

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     The Guardian for this session was Genesis Zhangsun...however her alarm did not go off so Pema Pera was actually present.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams!
    Pema Pera: How's life, and how are your latest reflections?
    Adams Rubble: I had a chat with *** this morning
    Adams Rubble: ** hadn;t realized that I was still sailing :)
    Pema Pera quietly opening his browser
    Pema Pera: . . . boys and girls as trolley cars . . .
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: As for
    Pema Pera: 5. F. Whoa. I look again and there is the word “presents”…”all that presents itself”. Did Pema mean this as part of APAPB?
    Pema Pera: yes, very much so!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: 6. ZRM. Mysterious line in notecard “When we ’solve’ a koan, it is not that we now have the answer, rather the whole framework in which we pose the question has been dissolved” [Barry Magid].
    Pema Pera: YES !!!
    Pema Pera: No change in the world. No possibility. Crimey, we humans are warming up the world and killing off species.
    Pema Pera: (still quoting from Adams' blog)
    Pema Pera: to say that change is fictional, a kind of illusion, does not mean that "no change" is real -- that would be even more an illusion, an illusion within an illusion
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams, Pema :)
    Pema Pera: within our story, the narrative of our life, there is indeed change -- denying it or shirking responsibility would be very bad indeed
    Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
    Pema Pera: so yes, APAPB to the rescue :-)
    Pema Pera now reading the *** story -- sorry Eliza, am catching up with Adams' blog on http://rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com/
    Eliza Madrigal: Please continue, by all means. I've done a little reading of the logs this week...so many interesting threads
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it's been an exciting week :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm in a synthesizing mode...taking things in...listening listening
    Adams Rubble: I wrote quite a bit this morning. I have Pema busy :)
    Adams Rubble: I know the feeling Eliza :)
    Pema Pera is happy to see how Adams and **** are on much better terms now, it seems -- I sensed a lot of mutual respect, reading the dialogue!
    Pema Pera: (Eliza, in that dialogue on the web site I pointed to, *** is Adams' typist :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah....am beginning to read now
    Pema Pera: Unfortunately, I have to run now -- I had scheduled another meeting, since Genesis had asked me to swap slots with me -- but perhaps she forgot or perhaps I misunderstood. Anyway, I'll claim the log and I look forward to catching up further soon. Apologies!
    Adams Rubble: Good to see you Pema. thanks for reading :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema
    Adams Rubble: bye
    Pema Pera: Bye Eliza and Adams!
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams, your processing is very unique...
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I make verything very complicated I am afraid
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I think I understand what you are getting at for yourself and then it takes a turn
    Eliza Madrigal: No...honest. I think sometimes it is difficult to be persistent
    Adams Rubble: Our identities do that
    Adams Rubble: that is our different identities confuse people
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...it is something not so easy to translate
    Eliza Madrigal: But so worthwhile to try to get to
    Adams Rubble: I have learned to separate mine
    Adams Rubble: which helps me understand them but also makes things very complicated at times
    Eliza Madrigal: You are naturally compartmentalizing type of person....or learning to be deliberate now?
    Adams Rubble: hehe. both!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: Maybe that is why I get so confused :)
    Adams Rubble: I am not used to so many ideas to play with at once
    Eliza Madrigal: The other night I was thinking about chaos/harmony....and how we/I try to *impose* structure often...and that's what keeps me meditating...remembering not to...to allow it, or to just embrace chaos
    Eliza Madrigal: But when you add this sort of element...
    Adams Rubble: Or to be able to take it lighly and drop it when we need to
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
    Adams Rubble: to be able to accept it because you know you can drop it
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah...ease.
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you begin this structuring as a way to embrace contradictions?
    Adams Rubble: I stumbled into it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: I am writing about myself in the Chronicles which describes the stumbling process
    Adams Rubble: We all fumble around our own ways I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm going to have make a big cup of tea and sit to read :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been working at puzzles...
    Adams Rubble: I create quite a bit of balle to read through :)
    Adams Rubble: yes?
    Eliza Madrigal: hoping that doing them will symbolically work at the less tangible ones
    Adams Rubble: balle=babble
    Eliza Madrigal: I look forward to it.....if you edit that out, things are missed...jumps probably
    Adams Rubble: nice analogy there
    Adams Rubble: the puzzles that is
    Eliza Madrigal: I love that puzzles can feel impossible
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: and then....one little key opens up a million cascading effects
    Eliza Madrigal: Makes me hopeful...energetic
    Adams Rubble: YES!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: What a great analogy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes...works for me certainly...because in life we can't sto p
    Eliza Madrigal: and figure out one thing at a time
    Adams Rubble nods
    Eliza Madrigal: everything bombards at once...dizzying
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: we have to work over here....and over there at the same time -Loll
    Adams Rubble: Unless we take it moment by moment
    Eliza Madrigal: Which is certainly what I hope to allow...
    Adams Rubble: yes, me too
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I notice that you talk a bit about how changing clothes and things affects your thinking....
    Eliza Madrigal: Is that the primary way to compartmentalize here?
    Eliza Madrigal: to=you
    Adams Rubble: Stim talks about each moment having either positive or negative energy
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm
    Adams Rubble reading your question
    Adams Rubble still thinking :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: I have compartmentalized various identities
    Adams Rubble: In some ways they have been "voices"
    Adams Rubble: always there
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! That is a great way of putting it....yes, voices
    Adams Rubble: Somewhat inadvertantly I have manefested one of these "vpices" or identities into my avatar
    Adams Rubble: So that is why I can talk with my typist
    Adams Rubble: I don;t recommend that to everyone :)
    Adams Rubble: but it has had some positive results for me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh...and a creative flow emerges.
    Eliza Madrigal: If each moment has positive or negative energy...so does an outfit chosen in a positive or negative moment-lol
    Adams Rubble: yes...an energy
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm.....I love that.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, the way we dress does affect the way people perceive us
    Adams Rubble: In SL it is much more we can change
    Adams Rubble: We can change our hair, color, shape...even gender
    Eliza Madrigal: And what we find we did not know
    Adams Rubble: But then also, in a group like this
    Adams Rubble: we learn to llok past all that
    Adams Rubble: Hello Visitor :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes. hi Visitor
    Adams Rubble: Ah, your second day in Second Life
    Eliza Madrigal: The beginning of an adventure!
    Visitor: toodles peoples
    Eliza Madrigal: I was going to help him learn the cushions...ah well
    Adams Rubble: Anyway, I guess that is why I was slow to answer your question :)
    Adams Rubble: You could appear here tomorrow as a gorilla and we would accept you in the same way we do now :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes...what is nice is that looking beyond, yes but also embracing the sheer play of it...the joy for its own sake
    Adams Rubble: Yes, the play :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: Exploring new things togetehr :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi again pema
    Adams Rubble: Hi Pema :)
    Pema Pera: hi again!
    Pema Pera: did the two of you get complete clarity about appearance by now? :-)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: A bit :)
    Adams Rubble: We learned a bit about appearance, yes :)
    Pema Pera: (and Pema appearing and disappearing)
    Adams Rubble: yes, that too. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: And we talked about puzzles...so seems to fit together quite well
    Adams Rubble: yes, Eliza made an intersting analogy
    Adams Rubble: with the key piece making everything come together
    Pema Pera: what was the key piece in this case?
    Eliza Madrigal: The puzzle I think will be ongoing
    Adams Rubble: Well for me, it was seeing presence in the context of timelessness
    Adams Rubble: yes Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Timeless puzzle
    Adams Rubble: for me the piece last week. hehe
    Pema Pera sees a new PaB rubric on the wiki: piece of the week !
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: :0
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd so like to attend the phenom. workshop on Fridays, Pema...just hasn't lined up. I've enjoyed reading though
    Pema Pera: there will be many more, Eliza :)
    Pema Pera: glad you like them!
    Eliza Madrigal: Think the pauses as a conversation happens would make it easier to grasp...but I think I do somewhat
    Pema Pera: Interesting to see similarlities and differences between PaB sessions and Kira workshops
    Pema Pera: oh, we all are just getting started, Eliza, not to worry!
    Eliza Madrigal: Of course....as Adams said a moment ago "essentials" :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I have to embrace timelessness...realize Im not going to miss anything in the big picture :)
    Pema Pera: yes, that's important
    Pema Pera: you are not lacking anything -- the real you that you really are
    Pema Pera: does that make any sense -- I mean, concretely?
    Pema Pera: practically, not as an idea?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, it does. It is fun though....to.."keep up" though I know there is *really* not such thing
    Eliza Madrigal: Korii, Hi
    Adams Rubble: Hello Korii :)
    Korii Tiger: Good morning.
    Pema Pera: Hi Korii!
    Korii Tiger: :)
    Pema Pera: nice to see you here again, Korrii
    Korii Tiger: nice to be here
    Eliza Madrigal: I know that the things we add on are the things that fragment...it is an added thing...the feeling of chasing or measuring
    Pema Pera: Eliza, can you say a bit more?
    Pema Pera: ah, yes
    Pema Pera: (sorry, we typed simultaneously)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Quite alright.
    Pema Pera: The problem is that we tend to overlook our real core, what we really are, where our real strength is . . . . and yes, we keep on adding stuff, material stuff, mental stuff . . .
    Adams Rubble is good at adding stuff :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Korii Tiger: yeah but has nay one considered there is aprupouse to why we do this?
    Adams Rubble: For me, my identities like attention, Korri
    Pema Pera: well, we have to stay alive, eat, earn a living and all that, but we generally overshoot . . .
    Adams Rubble: yes pema
    Eliza Madrigal: We sometimes mistake what we get used to for what we need
    Adams Rubble: as pema says, what we have instead of what we are
    Pema Pera: Korri, what do you see as the purpose?
    Korii Tiger: experiance
    Pema Pera: yes, we learn from all we do . . . mistakes and successes alike . . .
    Korii Tiger: itshow we learn abou tourselvs.. it show each learn about each other.. its how we learn about th euniverse for which we exsist.. if we were brought into exsistence already content withinourtselvs.. our corse selvs.. were we go? what would we do? who woiudl we really be? and would life even neccesery?
    Korii Tiger: core^
    Eliza Madrigal: Sort of asking the question "does god keep learning?" If complete, where to go...
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must run now. Bye everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams, nice talk this morning :)
    Pema Pera: bye Adams!
    Korii Tiger: bye Adamns
    Adams Rubble: Yes, thank you Eliza...and all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: the whole Idea of dropping what we do/have. Being able to do that easily is a freedom...a bliss?
    Adams Rubble: whoops
    Pema Pera: I see what you mean, Korri, but I think there is a way in which to live in which we have our cake and eat it -- being perfectly content yet exploring new things all the time in fresh ways
    Korii Tiger grins
    Korii Tiger: i agree
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: I think there is an alternative beyond the polarities of feeling needy and turning inward
    Pema Pera: but not so easy to find that in practice
    Eliza Madrigal: very conditioned
    Pema Pera: we can speculate about it, but it is more interesting to actually try to experience that kind of alternative
    Korii Tiger: i think its a wonderful thing for peopel to be conciously aware of themselvs.. and there many paerts or aspects... but the msitake i mostof ten see is when people realize these aspects of themselvs they may consider it a bad or negative thing and seek to undo, remove, or denie these aspectsof themvls in and effort to be "pure" which i also think for those indaviduals i supsoe is a necessery thing.. but it doesn't have to be that way... and again i'm speaking from an experiance here that i would have a veyr hard tiem putting into words.... what really happens.... when you take away all those things here that make us us..
    Pema Pera: I fully agree Korii
    Pema Pera: that is why we often talk here about "wearing our identities lightly"
    Korii Tiger giggles
    Pema Pera: not suppressing or denying or ignoring anything
    Pema Pera: yet not sticking to them either
    Pema Pera: ready to change clothes when appropriate
    Pema Pera: or be naked, as the occasion may invite
    Korii Tiger: my naked self doesn't liek to talk.. she scares people.
    Eliza Madrigal: hah, Korii
    Eliza Madrigal: It is fascinating that as you do experience...you begin to see how you think...how many arbitrary barriers you've become accustomed to
    Korii Tiger: it is Eliza
    Pema Pera: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: How seriously we can take ourselves
    Pema Pera: there are probably different kind of what would appear as nakes selves . . . for one, there is the ego, showing off itself without the usual coverings; for another there is what shines through when we succeed in (at least partially) dropping the ego . . . .
    Pema Pera: quite different directions . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah...yes
    Pema Pera: and in Christianity the first option is associated with sin
    Pema Pera: while the second is a far better direction
    Pema Pera: openness and light
    Eliza Madrigal: :::nodding::::
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd always heard that the idea in mind ws that being clothed in light was the natural state
    Eliza Madrigal: inner light of consciousness
    Korii Tiger: thats the naked part of me i talk about Eliza
    Pema Pera: when I look at my heart I can see total blackness -- when I focus on all that I have done wrong in my life, and still am doing, and it would not be good to deny that part . . . . yet I can also look at what is underneath, outside the narrative of our life, and there we can find something totally unsullied, like the light of a movie projected not tainted by the blood and gore it projects on the screen
    Korii Tiger looks at Pema
    Pema Pera hopes that Korii will let her naked self talk :-)
    Pema Pera: as light
    Korii Tiger smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: That's the scary part Korii? For you, or you think to others?
    Pema Pera: mistakes can also be worn lightly -- neither ignored nor wallowed in
    Korii Tiger: the scarry part for me? is the rections of the people.. the people? ther reactions are deniel...
    Korii Tiger: i try to be vary carful how i tred in this world as i have and will leave profound impacts on th elives i touch
    Korii Tiger: i'm always concoiys about that,.
    Korii Tiger: concious
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes
    Pema Pera: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema, "outside the narrative of our life"...
    Eliza Madrigal: That is a context....
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Pema Pera: what we have are identities and labels and concepts -- most of our life we are content just to juggle all those, move around those -- a web of labels pointing to other labels
    Pema Pera: together they for a very dense web of narrative of who we are and what the world is and what is and is not possible and what we need and so on
    Pema Pera: and yet .. . .
    Pema Pera: it is possible to drop all of that
    Pema Pera: and see what we are, beyond or beneath or whatever
    Pema Pera: outside the narrative
    Pema Pera: we all have glimpses all the time, but they don't fit into our memory schemes
    Pema Pera: our data bases
    Pema Pera: our plans our hopes our fears
    Pema Pera: poking holes in that dense web once every 15 minutes is a good way to get some light and air in that stuffy tent of ours . . . .
    Korii Tiger: just be carful when poking holes you don't destroy the integrety of the tent
    Eliza Madrigal: And once we are able to drop it, what is beneath is then a way of then infusing being into actions and roles, etc. ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ack...not phrased correctly
    Korii Tiger: and i think a tent is a perfect metaphore because it is there to shelter us.. to portect us.. as we are we ar enot ment to survive in the "wilderness"
    Pema Pera: yes, Korri, poking is perhaps too vivid an image; I often say "stopping and dropping"
    Korii Tiger: i think its perfect...
    Pema Pera: but we may have to poke through our conditioning before we can allow ourselves to stop and drop
    Eliza Madrigal: I mean..we bring that to the roles...not getting rid of the lables? :)
    Pema Pera: yes, Eliza, infusing, or even more precisely, letting Being infuse
    Eliza Madrigal: Or the roles to that...Ah, Okay, we're in same place :) Thanks
    Pema Pera: ah, Korii, the tent *within* our narrative should not be destroyed, definitely, that is the tent of our integrity *within* the world of our narrative, I totally agree
    Pema Pera: but the tent I talk about is not a personal tent around each of us
    Pema Pera: it is the WHOLE narrative, seen as a tent
    Korii Tiger nods.
    Pema Pera: that tent incluse our understanding of all of space and time . . .
    Pema Pera: a large tent . . .
    Korii Tiger chuckles
    Korii Tiger: ok
    Pema Pera: but yes, I agree, just telling someone to "open up" can be quite dangerous . . .
    Pema Pera: since the first reaction will be to open up within the story, which may well be the wrong thing to do
    Pema Pera: and yes, Eliza
    Pema Pera: oops, 8:30 already
    Pema Pera: sorry, have to run
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Pema
    Pema Pera: so nice talking with you both, thanks for coming here!
    Pema Pera: see you soon again
    Korii Tiger: bey pema
    Eliza Madrigal: See you soon, bye
    Korii Tiger: huh
    Korii Tiger: i wonder who's going to stop the recording
    Eliza Madrigal: huh? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It will stop when we leave I think....
    Eliza Madrigal: and will be sent to the person who claimed it :)
    Korii Tiger nods..
    Eliza Madrigal: I like this conversation though...goes in a million directtions or none
    Korii Tiger: i jsut lsiten..
    Eliza Madrigal: I am reminding myself to drop needing to understand everything on a mental level
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Korii Tiger smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: While still enjoying that I love to think think think...
    Korii Tiger: well..
    Eliza Madrigal: just don't enjoy thinking being the *point* so....PaB is excellent in that way
    Korii Tiger nods..
    Eliza Madrigal: You've been in SL for a long time!
    Korii Tiger: these discussions are interesting to me .. i'e been on a path of self learning since i was 16.. a lot of the things every one here talks about i've already thought about or experianced .. i've found my deepests self.. it isposible.. but there was no room for her in this world.. there really sin't.. so now i'm trying to learn how to conciously manipulate all my many aspects..
    Korii Tiger: SL is a perfect tool for that..
    Korii Tiger: and i have been
    Korii Tiger: i've learned a lot in SL..
    Korii Tiger: especialy about myself..
    Eliza Madrigal: That's fascinating, Korii. Manipulating the aspects in a playful way...
    Korii Tiger: abuot people..
    Korii Tiger: yes
    Korii Tiger: as you can see
    Korii Tiger: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: In an accepting manner
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Korii Tiger: if you know me for any great length of time you'l notice me enjoying the shapes of many ceeaturs and forms
    Korii Tiger: yes
    Korii Tiger: i've learned to accept ppeople
    Korii Tiger: i'e learned to forgive
    Korii Tiger: i'm learning not to judge...
    Korii Tiger: soem aprts of me still have a hard tiem with that but i keep em in check
    Eliza Madrigal: And appreciate.... Suppose it happens in layers. You think "So glad I let ___ go" but then a while passes and there it is in a different form
    Korii Tiger: exactly..
    Eliza Madrigal: Which is all perfectly fine...we have time :)
    Korii Tiger: thats all i have..
    Eliza Madrigal: I was surprised to see that I still have a version of stage fright in SL...was funny to me to see that
    Eliza Madrigal: Realizing what a marvelous way to work it out...how easy
    Korii Tiger: but i feel liek i hae a greator purpose here .. in my never ending quest to understand eveyrthing about myself.. from the shallowest aspect to the deepest core.. i've learned how to help and heal others on deeper emotional levels..
    Eliza Madrigal: That's beautiful
    Korii Tiger: oh yess. i have performence anxiety .
    Korii Tiger: amogn many people
    Korii Tiger: i'd never say such thing si'm sayign to you now.. in a crowed of people..
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I can be like that also. Sometimes it is good to poke those holes though, especially in a crowd!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Korii Tiger: yeah..
    Korii Tiger: i do
    Eliza Madrigal: You said some things I find very interesting
    Korii Tiger: i've probably spoken more here at PaB than any wher els liek here i've gone to
    Korii Tiger: where people like to gather and discuss these things
    Eliza Madrigal: It is an accepting environment
    Korii Tiger: i alkways feel liek i ahve othing to offer because .. well i feel more advanced to b honest.. but i don't feel liek any one woudl really be interested in hearing that or lsitening to my experiances... as every one has to find there path on there own way
    Korii Tiger: jdut as i hd on my own..
    Eliza Madrigal: I wondered if you find that your "naked" self is too intense
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I see that may not be what you mean. Of course, I understand that. I think others' stories often open our own though...
    Eliza Madrigal: in ways we wouldnt have seen....another angle
    Korii Tiger: my naked side is intence...there is no question of it..
    Eliza Madrigal: I find that in RL I'm quiet because I'm hyper aware of the limitations others impose on a setting or conversation sometimes. Is that similar?
    Eliza Madrigal: Here it is more the opposite! :))
    Korii Tiger: a lot of times i wish i coudl jsu tlet msyelf go.. and be msyelf to my fulest potential.. but i often fea others would find this overwealming.. and i emtnioned befor i do try very hard to be carful of the people around me...
    Korii Tiger: yes Eliza
    Korii Tiger: and i feel th esame in real life
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes. I think we understand each other a bit there.
    Korii Tiger: about the hypersensativity to the bounderis and limitations that are imposed on thos esettings
    Eliza Madrigal: It is kindness to have care for others' capacities
    Korii Tiger: yes.. but that kindness can soem times feel like a prison.. and a state of lonleyness...
    Korii Tiger: even among friends
    Eliza Madrigal: Understand that also... There have to be times when you express because you'd like to...regardless of whether someone else may handle it perhaps...
    Eliza Madrigal: but being mindful
    Korii Tiger: well.. i try and woirk my expressions aroudn lessions.. if i do something that i know is going to be imposing on others i do so in amanor to which they have an oportuinity to learn from the experiance.
    Korii Tiger: many times i get to walk away a little bit mor eknoledgable too..
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes. Sometimes I just let chips fall, because I know they may understand later
    Korii Tiger: well thats a whole other dicussion
    Korii Tiger: i'm refurign to just.. letting it all out..
    Korii Tiger: as far as letting the chips fall where they may in those istuations/circomstances thats always my first reaction..
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you an artist? I find that sometimes people can handle more through that medium. Hmmm
    Korii Tiger: i am.
    Korii Tiger: but i don't draw or paint anymore..
    Korii Tiger: my need for art growing up was so i could express myself.. now i have SL to do that
    Eliza Madrigal: In SL and RL? You sound like it to me...because you seem to overflow:) Nice quality
    Korii Tiger: i'mm letting go a little ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: It has been a real pleasure to meet you. I've got to run. Ah, on same page
    Korii Tiger: i'll even change forms.. to hwo i feel
    Korii Tiger: oh all right
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, I'll wait a sec?
    Korii Tiger: its nice to met you too.
    Korii Tiger: its nice to know some one els seems to understand too.
    Eliza Madrigal: OH MY!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: I think you may have come to meditation one night??? I was so startled! Fabulous
    Eliza Madrigal: That has to be great fun to play in
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh I'd love that
    Eliza Madrigal: Hhaha, I bet
    Eliza Madrigal: May I?
    Eliza Madrigal: I was about to jump on.....or try to....
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Another time
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you though.....is a great image to carry through my day
    Eliza Madrigal: Are there sims which accomodate this av better?

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