2009.03.25 13:00 - Communication, time, language

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Pema. Comments will be added later (or feel free to add some of your own, dear reader).


    Wol Euler: hello sophia

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol

    Wol Euler: hve you been here before?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: No... I came here to see what this is about, if there would be someone here to tell me

    SophiaSharon Larnia: is that ok?

    Wol Euler smiles

    Wol Euler: sure.

    Wol Euler: this is about to be a meeting of a meditation and discusion group called "play as being"

    Wol Euler: we meet here four times a day, 1am 7am 1pm 7pm

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've read some of the website

    Wol Euler: (not the same people all the time, obviuosly!)

    Wol Euler: ah, ok.

    Wol Euler: so you know that we record and publish our meetings? Is it OK to include your name and comments?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Yes

    Wol Euler: ty :)

    Wol Euler: I can give you a notecard that tells you the basics about us, but if you know the website I guess you've already read it.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: The website is primarily chat logs, from what I could see.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I needed to know more

    Wol Euler: most of it, by volume, yes. There is also an etensive "information" section which describes the practices in detail.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: OK

    Wol Euler: hello scath

    Wol Euler: lemme find the URL for you ...

    Wol Euler: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio..._in_a_Nutshell

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia

    Wol Euler: that is the "elevator pitch" :)

    Wol Euler: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Hints

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Thank you

    Wol Euler: that goes into a little more detail about the theory behind the practices

    Wol Euler: but the best way to understand is just to try :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have been increasingly conscious of thoughts as things and this is my main concern now

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Wol Euler: hello fefonz

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello again Fefonz:)

    Fefonz Quan: Hi All :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi

    Fefonz Quan: unfortunately i have some commitment on the Cafe, so see you later :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye:)

    Wol Euler: ah, bye fefonz. enjoy

    Wol Euler: he must have been standing there when he logged out yesterday...

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: smile

    Scathach Rhiadra: no, he was at the time workshop anhour ago

    SophiaSharon Larnia: what is the relationship to the concept of time to play as being practice

    SophiaSharon Larnia: if I may ask

    Wol Euler: surely :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Wol Euler: I'm not certain that I can answer that well, I too struggle with the concept of time

    Wol Euler: there has been much debate here lately about time/timelessness

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it has accelerated we all know that

    Wol Euler: the consensus seems to be that "time" is a kind of attachment, which can prevent us from appreciating our nature and what is really around is.

    Wol Euler: (though "really" is also a concept that gets debated here regularly)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: an attachment to 3D

    SophiaSharon Larnia: my problem is that I am too mystical and have a hard time putting these things in to words

    Scathach Rhiadra: an attachment to all that we perceive, maybe

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i seek to be grounded perhaps

    Wol Euler: do you meditate, sophia?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a very hard time withit

    SophiaSharon Larnia: my crown is too open

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think, it is just a theory

    Wol Euler: can you describe your practice?

    Wol Euler: hello mick

    SophiaSharon Larnia: rare

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick

    Wol Euler smiles. As in "I rarely practice"?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Wol, Scath 

    Wol Euler: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi

    Mickorod Renard: Hi QT

    Wol Euler: hello QT

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT

    Wol Euler: (sorry, rl, please carry on...

    Mickorod Renard: nice chilling out

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Mickorod Renard: I feel frustrated because I always forget about the earlier' Time' meeting

    Scathach Rhiadra: well from next week it will be an hour later for us in Europe, the clocks go forward

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol here in the us that was a couple of weeks agian, funny evidence of how we ditermine time

    SophiaSharon Larnia: (typos, sorry)

    Scathach Rhiadra: hmm, yes is has been a strange experience for us, the difference an hour makes:)

    Mickorod Renard: I am a terrible watch watcher..and often am guilty of rushing people to meet deadlines

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Mickorod Renard: its funny that here we discuss trying to get out of the time issue

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I blink and it's been two weeks

    Qt Core: i lost my watch in my room some month ago... still unsuccesfully searching for it ;-)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Mickorod Renard: grin

    Mickorod Renard: I am so accustomed to being with a watch i wouldnt cope without one

    Wol Euler: back, reading

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, or maybe how best to live with it, if we could understand or experience the true nature of time, it could have an effect on how we treat time in our lives

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Mickorod Renard: this I think is a reflection of the times we live in

    Qt Core: i used it a lot when i used to use public transportation

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have been interested in the dimentional aspect of the concept of time

    Wol Euler: hello ara

    arabella Ella tiptoes quietly

    arabella Ella: Hiya

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ara

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi

    Qt Core: hi

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,time is facinating,,and the dimensional aspect of it

    SophiaSharon Larnia: if everything happens at once, then what is now

    Scathach Rhiadra: 'right here, right now'

    Wol Euler: perception, an appearance, in effect a choice we make in how we tell stories

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I have a belief that all time is now,,but there must be some division between what has been and what is etc

    SophiaSharon Larnia: in 3D

    SophiaSharon Larnia: in our bodies

    Wol Euler: but also here :) these discussions happen in time, in the now

    Wol Euler: time passes in SL, people come and go and change themselves

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    SophiaSharon Larnia: as avatars

    SophiaSharon Larnia: as in rl

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Wol Euler: and as personalities in both worlds.

    Qt Core: as avatars time don't pass, they don't age

    Wol Euler: maybe they will, SL is only four years old :)

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Zenon

    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha

    Wol Euler: ask me again in twenty years..

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zenon:)

    Wol Euler: hello Zenon

    arabella Ella: hiya Zenon

    Wol Euler: we scared him away.

    Qt Core: (i was just told "officially" by my barber that i'm starting to lose hair and getting white ones... quite worried about aging today :-) )

    Wol Euler smiles and nods.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think all people are avatars in 3D, with their higher consciousness inhabiting the body, this certainly is not a new concept to anyone...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: but it has changed how I look at others

    Mickorod Renard: I have been through that phase QT

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I learned this from SL

    Wol Euler: yes, definitely

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think that is why i was supposed to come here

    Qt Core: i knew it already... but hearing that from the barber that cut your hair for the last 35 years ;-)

    Wol Euler: "the teacher will arrive when the pupil is ready"

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i knew tis before, but didnt 'know; tis

    SophiaSharon Larnia: this**

    Qt Core: ohh, i started noticing clothes details in rl too only since i got in sl

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Qt

    Mickorod Renard: I can relate to what you are saying Sophie

    Qt Core: how materials flows and such

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Wol Euler: well, QT if you have had the same barber for 35 years, then you are of an age when you can honourably relinquish a few hairs :)

    Wol Euler: it's a mark of distinction.

    Wol Euler: where would Sean Connery be without his bald crown?

    Qt Core: ;-)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Wol Euler: and isn't Brue Willis far sexier without hair than he was with?

    Mickorod Renard: well,,I dont see him as sexy of course

    Wol Euler blushes and shuts up.

    Qt Core: Willis i don't know, but i could understand Connery

    Scathach Rhiadra: hmmm, remember Yul Bremmer?

    Wol Euler: oh yes...

    Mickorod Renard: yeaaa

    Wol Euler: it's not the hair or lack of hair, QT, it's how you carry yourself with it.

    arabella Ella: i saw Yul on TV this week in the magnificent seven ... very young he was then ... and now i can see why some ppl thought he was sexy

    Mickorod Renard: and he played in ,,west world?

    Scathach Rhiadra nods:)

    Qt Core: sadly i'll be more like Uncle Fester with no hair on my hjead lol

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Mickorod Renard: I am pretty bald,,in rl too

    arabella Ella: but is this not all how we are culturally conditioned?

    Wol Euler nods

    arabella Ella: at this stage in time we are culturally conditioned to see men with shaved heads as cool

    Mickorod Renard: yet when young i had long hair down my back

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    arabella Ella: there was a time when men with long unruley hair was cool

    Wol Euler: the Jim Morrison look.

    arabella Ella: or dreadlocks

    Mickorod Renard: yea,,my mum called me rasputin

    Wol Euler laughs.

    arabella Ella giggles

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Mickorod Renard: I think it was cos of my hair

    SophiaSharon Larnia grins

    Mickorod Renard: although she may have heard rumours

    Qt Core: i'm one of the few western male in the world which mother like him better with long hair ;-)

    arabella Ella: i have no doubt there must have been other factors Mick

    Wol Euler laughs. I was just thinking that, but was not going to say it.

    Mickorod Renard: grin

    Mickorod Renard: I quite like the idea of understanding time,,but have a sneaky idea that even understood i will still grow old and die just as quick

    Wol Euler: maybe :)

    Mickorod Renard: ;-)

    arabella Ella: we know that as humans we are programmed to view RL in terms of space and time

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, but I think the idea is understanding gives more appreciation of the 'now'

    SophiaSharon Larnia: its not so much time that I am worried about, it is the feeling that I have that we are running out of it

    Wol Euler: but if you did understand it fully, perhaps you would experience it differently.

    arabella Ella: and our language which may differentiate us from animals allows us to speak and envision the distant past and the distant futute

    arabella Ella: future

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know how normal it is

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Wol Euler: common anyway, sophia.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Wol Euler: so many things seem to be coming to a crisis in the foreseeable future, in our probable lifetimes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes

    Mickorod Renard: is there anything else you think is nusual in your concepts Sophia?

    Scathach Rhiadra: brb

    Mickorod Renard: as in time?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thereis

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I feel that the era of the I AM is passing away

    SophiaSharon Larnia: the era of the WE ARE is upon us

    SophiaSharon Larnia blushes

    Mickorod Renard: mmmm

    arabella Ella: well i heard one thing this week ... the present global crises tends to make us more conservative and less prone to risk ... unfortunately i must add

    Mickorod Renard: hey,,dont blush

    Wol Euler nods.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am very shy

    Wol Euler smiles. It's ok, you are among friends here.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: coming here like this is not typical of me

    SophiaSharon Larnia: you are familiar with the concept of the I am

    Mickorod Renard: I think we are all holding strange idea's about time,,and to some extent is why we are here

    Wol Euler: our dogma is being non-dogmatic.

    Scathach Rhiadra: back

    Wol Euler: wb

    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb

    Qt Core: don't know if it is related to some form of feeling time but sometimes i feel a little overhelmed about all the things that i know (or i don't know) that are happening now, in all the world/universe and the few i'm experoiiencing

    arabella Ella nods

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Mickorod Renard: yes me too Qt

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Qt Core: just thinking about all the nice concerts that are going on in this monent in sl for example

    arabella Ella: i personally find it weird how time can stretch so much when we are bored and idle and pass so fast when we are busy and occupied with tasks

    arabella Ella: time seems to expand and contract somehow

    Mickorod Renard: I speculated the the amount of exposure we have to stimulating information is another reason for us feeling rushed

    SophiaSharon Larnia: subjective experience

    Wol Euler: yes to both

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: so we are doing it or is it 'real'

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm

    arabella Ella: with what quantum mechanics shows us it is difficult to tell what is real

    Wol Euler: the reaction to it, the fear and dread, is a choice that we make.

    arabella Ella nods

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been told many times that we must pass through fear

    Qt Core: brb

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean overcome it

    Mickorod Renard: and yes, I think the answer to your question is that we do have an ability to slow our perception of time down

    Mickorod Renard: that is something we touch upon here

    arabella Ella: how do you think we can do that Mick?

    Mickorod Renard: I think that is true to say??

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Wol Euler: we can certainly control and reduce the feeling of haste and hurry that sometimes arises

    Mickorod Renard: Well,,when we talk about seeing

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats what i meant Wol

    arabella Ella: but ... my problem is ... we cannot control others

    Wol Euler: that goes back to where we started, sophia, when you were talking about being grounded

    arabella Ella: and their demands on our time and attention

    Mickorod Renard: let others pass by

    arabella Ella: is that always possible Mick?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes arabella and mickorod

    Scathach Rhiadra: but we can control how we react to them

    Wol Euler: right. Repeat after me "_your_ bad planning is not _my_ crisis" :)

    arabella Ella: I wanted to get on here on time for this session

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Mickorod Renard: he he he

    arabella Ella: but i got a RL phone call which needed my attention and patience

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,,its often the case of '' more haste less speed

    Qt Core: back

    Wol Euler: wb qt

    Scathach Rhiadra: wb

    Mickorod Renard: wb

    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb

    Wol Euler: ok, ara, but that too was a choice that you made. You could have let the answering machine get it.

    rwssph Galaxy: hi

    Mickorod Renard: and there is that 'parkinsons theory too'

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi

    Wol Euler: hello R

    rwssph Galaxy: can i join u?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: eh?

    Wol Euler: sure :)

    Qt Core: hi rwssph

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Rwssph

    rwssph Galaxy: thanks

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello rwssph

    Wol Euler: haev you been here before, R?

    Mickorod Renard: how do you pronounce that R

    rwssph Galaxy: no

    rwssph Galaxy: this is the 1

    Wol Euler: ok, I'll give you a brief intro in IM to let the others carry on the discussion

    rwssph Galaxy: ok

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,i went to a rl budhist meet a few weeks ago Ara

    Mickorod Renard: and raised the same question

    Mickorod Renard: yikes,,Ara has goner

    SophiaSharon Larnia: but to get back to grounding....when I am awake and sitting like this, sometimes i feel like im in a meditative state already and feel very ungrounded

    SophiaSharon Larnia: so it is hard to do

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: a theta state, almost

    SophiaSharon Larnia: or whatever

    Wol Euler: wb ara

    Scathach Rhiadra: wb:)

    rwssph Galaxy: not realy

    arabella Ella: sorry i creashed and had to re boot

    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb ara

    Mickorod Renard: yes Sophi,,I have the same probs

    SophiaSharon Larnia: so nice to meet someone who understands lol

    Mickorod Renard: like each morning i tell myself I am going to be calm and relaxed,,yet at work its all hell lets loose

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i am a nurse, so i understand organized chaos lol

    Mickorod Renard: grin

    SophiaSharon Larnia: or not so organized

    Mickorod Renard: the only time I get to having some chill out is here or when I drive to and fro

    Mickorod Renard: but i am getting better,,and I see a marked diference between me and my colleagues

    rwssph Galaxy: ok friends

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i live an hour away from work (which is a source of guilt there) but on interstate highways

    rwssph Galaxy: i will have a tour around

    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun

    Mickorod Renard: I am about an hours drive too

    rwssph Galaxy: it is the first time to come here

    Wol Euler: bye R, take care

    Mickorod Renard: bye R

    rwssph Galaxy: so see later

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye R, see you later

    arabella Ella: why is living an hour away a source of guilt Sophia?

    rwssph Galaxy: nice to meet you all

    SophiaSharon Larnia: gasoline

    SophiaSharon Larnia: consumption

    arabella Ella: oh

    SophiaSharon Larnia: etc

    arabella Ella: are you in the USA?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    arabella Ella: and is there consciousness about gas there too?

    Qt Core: i'm findingtime to relax too while driving, and i even hate to drive... that say something how good is the rest of my days ...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i hope so

    Mickorod Renard: he he he ,,right on Qt

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    arabella Ella: sounds like good news to me as we in europe get the feeling you are not so environmentally conscious but no offence meant

    SophiaSharon Larnia: but as a whole i think humanity os self centered..myself included...way beyond hat was the plan lo

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i understand your point of view

    SophiaSharon Larnia: we are not all the same

    arabella Ella: yes i understand that is quite ... was quite a generalisation i admit

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,loosing some selfishness is always a good start,,,in my opinion anyway

    arabella Ella: but most americans i meet in europe have never seen small cars or smart cars either and many laugh at them

    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is so hard to express myself this way by typing

    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww thats a shame

    arabella Ella: yes

    Mickorod Renard: u doin ok

    Wol Euler nods, so much of RL communication is missing in SL.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: for evry sentence there were 100 paths lmao

    Mickorod Renard: true,,but in sl u talk with ur heart

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think thats true

    arabella Ella: yes but typing frees us up to be more spontaneous here i feel

    Qt Core: don't know, i think that here typing we can concentrate more o the ideas we want to express

    SophiaSharon Larnia: or the feeling that you canhide behind an avi

    arabella Ella: yes

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Mickorod Renard: but that is good for opening up

    arabella Ella: but i also think we get to know the real essence of each avi and the person behind the avi through their typing

    Wol Euler: well, either hide or express yourself more fully . express a different "you" too

    Qt Core: i even like (sometimes) that i'm not using my own language

    arabella Ella: what is your language Qt?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel bad I only know one language

    Qt Core: italian

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Mickorod Renard: I speak some french,,but I only know English

    arabella Ella: oh i speak and chat in italian too ... smile

    arabella Ella: your english is very good for an italian ... if you are italian that is

    SophiaSharon Larnia: knowing other languages gives you flexibility of mind that is difficult to obtain otherwise

    arabella Ella: yes it does

    Wol Euler: I think that's true, sophia

    Qt Core: i often censor my own thought and i find that it is harder to do that in english as i have to spend the "resources" i use to filter my thought to translate them

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahhh interesting

    arabella Ella: yes i understand ... si capisco ... smile

    Wol Euler: do you think in Italian and then translate to English?

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, does anyone feel that their personality is slightly diffferent when speaking another language?

    Qt Core: but then there are the times i'm not able to translate more complex thought and that is annoying

    Wol Euler: definitely!

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i see Qt

    arabella Ella: i can chat in three languages and do not find much difference when i do

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,mine is timid for a start

    arabella Ella: four actually

    Qt Core: you know, Wol i'm not sure

    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats is how i feel when i try to express alot of what i think, like it is a different language

    Qt Core: i even started having some dreams in english

    arabella Ella smiles

    Wol Euler smiles. Perhaps it's just me; or perhaps I am associating feelings that arise for othe rreasons.

    arabella Ella: dreams of yourself on SL?

    Mickorod Renard: that is often something that you overcome by attending meetings like this one

    Qt Core: no, just dreams where the audio is in english... and no subtitles

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been trying for decades lol

    Wol Euler laughs

    Scathach Rhiadra: maybe it is just the different structures in languages which bring out different thought processes

    Mickorod Renard: When I lived in france I dreampt in french

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    arabella Ella: I worked with germans for a time and used to dream and think in germawn in those days

    Mickorod Renard: wow

    Qt Core: the funny things is i almost read and write english, i almost never speak it

    arabella Ella: you dont get much opportunity to speak english then it seems

    arabella Ella: just like i get few opportunities to speak italian

    Mickorod Renard: is that just because you do not have enough english speakers to commune with daily?

    Qt Core: i've spoken iot for half an ghour in last 20 years and a couple hours here in sl in the l;ast 2 weeeks ;-)

    Wol Euler grins

    arabella Ella smiles

    Wol Euler: you are doing very well, then, if that is the case.

    Mickorod Renard: ;-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Mickorod Renard: I can remember how shy I was when communicating in philosophical classes her in sl

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am a bit of a cracked crystal there is so much to think

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Mickorod Renard: and although it was in english the vocabulary was quite diferent to what i was used to

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    arabella Ella: well Qt if ever you need any help with translation let me know and i will help you if i can

    Qt Core: ok, ty

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm how can i say... it is the veiwing points of others i am interested in

    arabella Ella: not that my italian is perfect as it is not

    Qt Core: and you can ask about italian, obviously

    arabella Ella: thanks

    Mickorod Renard: sometimes Sophi there is a dificulty putting thoughts into words anyway

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i wish i could transmit it by touch

    Wol Euler: :)

    Mickorod Renard: especially of deep spiritual thoughts

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think we do pick up info that way

    SophiaSharon Larnia: nopt necessarily via touch but by energy

    arabella Ella: or intuition

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Qt Core: that would raise interesting question... are words/concepts electrical schemas equals or similar in different people ?

    arabella Ella: mmmmmmmmmmm

    Wol Euler: yes, would you be able to "touch" an Italian and be understood by him?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: great question

    Mickorod Renard: yeaaa,,interesting

    Wol Euler: or are concepts located in language?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont think so, shaped maybe

    Qt Core: just between same language speaking people would be interesting

    SophiaSharon Larnia: culturally?

    arabella Ella: i think it would depend on culture and upbringing

    arabella Ella: and education too

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,some cultures use signals too when communicating

    arabella Ella: yes i love to speak with my hands and gestures too

    Mickorod Renard: hand movements etc

    Qt Core: just the difference about having or not having a neutre gender would make a mess of that kind of communication

    Mickorod Renard: I use finger signs when driving

    arabella Ella: yes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Wol Euler chuckles at Mick. I bet you do.

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, I have spent most of my life with Indians, and I have the Indian 'nod', if you know what that is:)

    Qt Core: ahm... no

    arabella Ella: no?

    Mickorod Renard: u mean indians or native americans?

    Wol Euler: I noticed when I moved to Germany that they don't use their hands much when speaking. A lot of their gesturing is done with their eyes, eyebrows, chin ...

    Scathach Rhiadra: nodding the head, sideways, slightly different for yes and no:)

    Mickorod Renard: I see,,yes

    Wol Euler: hmmmm

    arabella Ella: well Wol I find German humour so difficult to understand

    Scathach Rhiadra: Indian from India

    Mickorod Renard: yes,,ty

    Wol Euler grins at Ara. It is quite ... specific.

    arabella Ella: yes

    Mickorod Renard: I worked for many years in a suburb of english city which had a huge multi cultural mix,,including lots from india

    arabella Ella: i must go now

    arabella Ella: bye everyone lovely to see you here

    arabella Ella: bye

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Ara

    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye arabella

    Qt Core: bye ara

    Wol Euler: bye ara

    Mickorod Renard: I had to encorporate many diferent mannerisms to communicate well with them

    Mickorod Renard: bye Ara

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i would love to think more about your question Qt, but would take too long to type here lol

    Qt Core: which one sophia ?

    Qt Core: (sorry got distracted)

    Mickorod Renard: gotta go folks,,c u soon

    SophiaSharon Larnia: are words/concepts electrical schemas equals or similar in different people ?

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Mick, see you soon

    Mickorod Renard: bye

    Qt Core: oh

    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick

    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care

    Mickorod Renard: bye folks

    Qt Core: bye Mick

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I must go too, thank you for the discussion :))

    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is great fun

    Wol Euler: bye sophia, it was nice to meet you.

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Sophia, nice meeting you

    Wol Euler: come back again :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: You too !

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I will

    Qt Core: i'd like an answer to it even only to communicate better with my pcs ;-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: I had better go too, bye Wol, QT, namasté

    Wol Euler: bye scath, take care.

    Qt Core: bye scath

    Wol Euler: well, shall we wrap it up here?

    Qt Core: i think so

    Wol Euler smiles and bangs her gavel.

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