2009.03.31 07:00 - Remember last year?

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Riddle, needs to run quick right now.  here is the posting so the scribes have it. I will come back to edit in some witty comments (maybe).

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning Fael
Fael Illyar: Good morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: good Morning Gybele
Gybele Silvera: Good mornig Fael and Riddle
Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
Gybele Silvera: Hi Adams
Riddle Sideways: Hi Adams
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Riddle, Fael and Gybele :)
Adams Dubrovna: Nice to meet you Gybele :)
Fael Illyar: Hello Selene :)
Adams Dubrovna: Last day of the first year of PaB :)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Riddle Sideways: Oh yeah, I was going to say that
Riddle Sideways: seems like only a year ago
Adams Dubrovna: hehe
Gybele Silvera: hello Selene

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Adams Dubrovna: It is funny how SL time semed to be faster than RL time and then it slowed down and now they seem more the same
Fael Illyar: Perhaps it wasn't that SL slowed down ;)
Adams Dubrovna: haha Fael
Adams Dubrovna: maybe :)
Riddle Sideways: they are many parallels to RL, but some are different
Adams Dubrovna: I'll say :)
Riddle Sideways: in RL I have real trouble remembering ppl names
Riddle Sideways: in SL ppl just change there names andd/or bodies
Riddle Sideways: it is not so much me forgetting
Adams Dubrovna chuckles
Riddle Sideways: sorry, I was told not to say forgetting
Riddle Sideways: I have trouble relating labels to objects
Riddle Sideways: names to bodies
Fael Illyar: yes, you forget names, not people :)

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Adams Dubrovna: I forget who I am myself some times :)
Adams Dubrovna: Confuse myself
Riddle Sideways: hehehe

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Fael Illyar: in SL, when you talk to someone, the "body" you see when you talk is the name :)
Fael Illyar: you need t pay attention to tell people apart
Fael Illyar: so you remember it
Fael Illyar: enough practise
Adams Dubrovna: With 58 guardians we may soon need a scorecard
Riddle Sideways: an excelant point
Riddle Sideways: The av you see is the name
Riddle Sideways: the person you don't see is the entity
Riddle Sideways: often we think that meeting ya'll in RL would cheat that
Fael Illyar: you can't rely on people's AVs looking the same so, the name is the only reliable way to identify them :)
Adams Dubrovna: That is if they don;t change their name

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Adams Dubrovna: Good morning Pema :)
Fael Illyar: Well, yes, but it still is the most reliable way to identify people :)
Fael Illyar: Ohayou..
Riddle Sideways: good morning Pema
Gybele Silvera: hello Pema
Fael Illyar: morning, Pema :)
Pema Pera: hi everybody!
Gybele Silvera: hoping I finally found the solution to the dress lags
Pema Pera: (just got out of the train tunnel, in internet range :-)
Fael Illyar: Hello Darkflow :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Darkflow

A very nice one eyed (size of it's entire head) little orange av enters. I should have taken a photo.

[Hehe...here is the photo you thought you didn't take, Riddle....Adams]

DarkFlow Quicksand: Hello!
Gybele Silvera: hi Darkflow
Pema Pera: Good monring, Darkflow
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Darkflow
DarkFlow Quicksand: Good morning!
Riddle Sideways: ah, we were being silent for 90 sec

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Riddle Sideways: Darkflow have we met before
Riddle Sideways: as we were just saying names and avs and bodies change in SL so
DarkFlow Quicksand: No. We have met laster but not efore.
DarkFlow Quicksand: We have met later, but not before.
Riddle Sideways: I understand both
DarkFlow Quicksand: I understand neither as well.

Me thinks a WatchMen reference...

Riddle Sideways: we are within 2-3 meetings of being here a year
Riddle Sideways: Pema, the chat log from that first meeting does not list who was there
Adams Dubrovna: nope
Adams Dubrovna: who was there?
Riddle Sideways: I think I didn't come until meeting 2
Pema Pera: hmm, let me check

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Pema Pera: I did not have any system in place, really, when I started. I just started!
Pema Pera: I thought I would just give a brief summary of each meeting
Riddle Sideways: that is a good way to start
Pema Pera: I had no idea at all it would become this elaborate!
Adams Dubrovna: It was fun to see things we take for granted come into existence as it moved along
Pema Pera: but let me check who was there in my personal chat log -- an interesting question (also for the Chronicles project, Adams!)
Riddle Sideways: would you have continued if you had known?
Riddle Sideways: I got the feeling that Storm was already known in the tea room
Riddle Sideways: I remember it took me a long time to get in the door
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Pema Pera: who is to say, Riddle? I think I would, yes
Adams Dubrovna: I had that trouble still at a recent interview Riddle :)

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Pema Pera: Okay, here are the first sentences on April 1, 2008:
Pema Pera:
[2008/04/01 6:57] You: Hi Caledonia!
[2008/04/01 6:57] Caledonia Heron: gut morgen :)
[2008/04/01 6:58] You: goede morgen in my language ;>)
[2008/04/01 6:58] Caledonia Heron: is your last name not a greeting also? hut hut!
[2008/04/01 6:58] Caledonia Heron: oh no, hej hej, that's it right?
[2008/04/01 6:58] You: what a hoot!
[2008/04/01 6:58] Caledonia Heron: hoot hoot
[2008/04/01 6:59] Caledonia Heron: it is just we two then?
[2008/04/01 6:59] You: we'll see
[2008/04/01 6:59] Caledonia Heron: k
[2008/04/01 6:59] You: it's not quite the whole hour yet
[2008/04/01 6:59] Caledonia Heron: ah, my computer is fast then
Adams Dubrovna writes furiously
Fael Illyar: Well, not quite a year for me yet :)
Pema Pera: ah! a few interlopers came and went, and guess who else came, that very first session?
Pema Pera:
[2008/04/01 7:26] Riddle Sideways: good morning all
Adams Dubrovna: hehe
Adams Dubrovna: yay Riddle !

Like answering a summons, Caledonia enters.
Makes you believe that something else is going on.

Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
Riddle Sideways: oh dear
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Cal :)
Pema Pera: hahaha, deja vu all over again!
Pema Pera: how funny
Riddle Sideways: good morning Cal
Caledonia Heron: hola :)
Gybele Silvera: Hello Cal
Pema Pera: Cal, we were talking about our very first PaB session, April 1, 7 am
Caledonia Heron: lol
Pema Pera: guess who were there? You and me and then Riddle . . . .
Pema Pera: and here we are again

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Caledonia Heron: yes, I remember :)
Caledonia Heron: that is why I came :)
Pema Pera: you do ?!?!!!
Pema Pera: :-)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Pema Pera: wow, what a memory

Noting the time signitures on the above entries..

Riddle Sideways: Cal was right on time, I was late... some things don't change
Caledonia Heron: today *I* was detained ... sorry
Riddle Sideways: today, I was on time
Caledonia Heron: perfect symmetry
Riddle Sideways: so things do change :)
Caledonia Heron: a great mix of new and old friends for me today :)
Adams Dubrovna: and some repackaged friends :)
Riddle Sideways: we have learned so much from each of our friends
Adams Dubrovna: yes Riddle
Caledonia Heron: hut hut
Caledonia Heron: hej hej
Riddle Sideways: lol
Caledonia Heron: hoot hoot
Caledonia Heron: some of our first greetings :)
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: yup, we were not just on time
Riddle Sideways: we were able to play from the start
Pema Pera: this was prehistory, before we opened shop at 7 am !
Pema Pera: preview
Pema Pera: teaser
Caledonia Heron: coming attraction

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Caledonia Heron: that is one bossy bell
Pema Pera: The afternoon session had Storm, Riddle, Isen and me
Riddle Sideways: Pema, is this your 24 or 25 session?
Pema Pera: 22nd
Fael Illyar smiles.
Riddle Sideways: over the year I thought I had learned some about pema
Fael Illyar: hut hut :)
Caledonia Heron: an authority bell, ... feeling resistance :)
Adams Dubrovna: So the first session was Pema, Cal and Riddle and two people just apssing through?
DarkFlow Quicksand: is the purpose here to be purposeless
Caledonia Heron: hut hut
Riddle Sideways: yet sunday he quoted frank zappa
Fael Illyar proposes that to be the new official greeting.
Riddle Sideways: I put that memory in a bottle
Caledonia Heron: in a purposeful way Darksand :)
DarkFlow Quicksand: =)
Caledonia Heron: so moved Fael :)
Pema Pera: The third and final session, for April 1, had five people: Maxine, Dakini, Friedrich, Bunan and me -- and Storm made a cameo appearance as a storm at the end
Caledonia Heron: I often celebrate anniversary on the last day before the day ... like celebrating the last day of being 0
Pema Pera: well, that would be today, we're doing well already!
Caledonia Heron: exactly!
Caledonia Heron: that's how I celebrte my birthday :) on the day before
Pema Pera: and Darkflow, our purpose? I could say yes and no, depending how you ask :-)
Fael Illyar did that on both ... the last time.
Riddle Sideways: is good to remember every day is somebodies birthday (or day before)
Riddle Sideways: so celebrate every day
Caledonia Heron: ok :) I'm onboard ... (yells out to world) Happy Birthday Somebodies!!
Pema Pera: celebration is the name of the game for PaB alright :-)
Pema Pera: heheh, all 20 million of them!
Fael Illyar: yes, happy birthday :)
DarkFlow Quicksand: this is a celebration of the end of the first year?
Riddle Sideways: almost
Pema Pera: yes, we started on April 1, 2008
Caledonia Heron: and the beginning of the next
Riddle Sideways: coffee rather then champagne today
DarkFlow Quicksand: so then tomorrow will be different?
Pema Pera: see http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/200...first-meeting/
Caledonia Heron: and the same
Pema Pera: yes and yes :)
Pema Pera: we've had well over a thousand sessions so far . . . .
Riddle Sideways: Dark, your question seems simple but isvery hard to answer
DarkFlow Quicksand: I could say yes and no, depending how you ask :-)
Pema Pera: :)
Adams Dubrovna: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Chroni...Month_of_April
Caledonia Heron is in a giant riddling joust :)
Riddle Sideways: thank you Adams
Gybele Silvera: can something be unpurposal ?
Riddle Sideways: oh yes
Caledonia Heron: sure
Gybele Silvera: somebody tell me an example pls ?
Riddle Sideways: over that time we have mostly wrestled with HOW to type the letter of what we mean
Riddle Sideways: so much chat about chat
Caledonia Heron: chatty chat chat
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Riddle Sideways: developing a common language
Riddle Sideways: like the ones wine tasters use
Riddle Sideways: most wines do not taste fruity to me
Caledonia Heron: yes, a lot of grappling with vocabularies
Riddle Sideways: but that is waht is said of some wines
Gybele Silvera: ...each letter can be 'just' the purpose to connect....
Riddle Sideways: and all know that meaning
Caledonia Heron: Zorn and I were reading a wine review and it said a "hint of bacon" .... yikes, bacon wine
Pema Pera: purpose is a hard question: does a kid playing have a purpose? a pianist playing spontaneously? Someone going for a stroll in the spring?
Gybele Silvera: giving is one purpose....receiving an other...to test ..to try...the purpose to learn...
Gybele Silvera: sometimes the most important purpose can be having fun
Riddle Sideways wonders if we all have the same define of presentation or appearance
Riddle Sideways: ah the purpose of fun
Caledonia Heron: hmmm, that bell
Fael Illyar wonders if there's a need to explain the difference between purpose and Purpose ...
Pema Pera: again it depends on how you define the word purpose
Pema Pera: having fun may or may not be called a purpose :-)
Riddle Sideways thinks Cal finds that bell so amuzing
Gybele Silvera: the purpose can still be, even it's not thought or noticed :)
DarkFlow Quicksand: what is the purpose of waking up?
Pema Pera: well, I'll have to duck out, Princeton Junction train station coming up -- good seeing you all !
Caledonia Heron: spontaneous has no purpose
Caledonia Heron: ha ha Riddle
Pema Pera: till next time!
DarkFlow Quicksand: ciao!
Gybele Silvera: to bring one's life to live in human world
Adams Dubrovna: bye Pema :)
Caledonia Heron: hut hut!!
Fael Illyar: I'd say one is a reason to do things. The other is a name for things we punish ourselves for not fulfilling.
Fael Illyar: hut hut :)
Riddle Sideways: bye pema Andd thanks
Gybele Silvera: bye Riddle
Gybele Silvera: bye Pema
Riddle Sideways: not me, yet
Gybele Silvera: sry
Gybele Silvera: understood wrong
Riddle Sideways: then there is the "On Purpose"
Adams Dubrovna: That was one fast train :)
Riddle Sideways: wonder if the train passenger besidde Pema looks at SL
Riddle Sideways: and like WTH
Adams Dubrovna: ...and wish they could be like us
Riddle Sideways: either
Riddle Sideways: Fael, you saiddyou readd the wheel of time series
Fael Illyar: Yes, I did :9
Riddle Sideways: how long ddid it take you
Riddle Sideways: I seem to be in there for a year
Riddle Sideways: I am on book 6
Fael Illyar: when I got the first ... 7 or 8 books, I read them through in a month I think.
Riddle Sideways: and did nothing else?
Fael Illyar: but that's years ago :)
Fael Illyar: almost all free time there, yes :)
Fael Illyar: Hey, I was in school at the time :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Fael Illyar: college level
Riddle Sideways: when did you do school work
Fael Illyar: I did not :)
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: there is a point being repeated in those books now
Riddle Sideways: each character is developing
Riddle Sideways: expanding greatly
Riddle Sideways: but other characters won't let them
Fael Illyar: (try not to let them)
Fael Illyar: (ultimately failing)
Riddle Sideways: they keep referring to Mat as e always was
Fael Illyar: yes, holding on to their ideas of what he is, even after he no longer is that.
Riddle Sideways: the princess will always need saving
Gybele Silvera: :)
Riddle Sideways: even when she isqueen of all the world
Riddle Sideways: the most powerful
Riddle Sideways: is still a little girl to some
Caledonia Heron: maybe the prince needs saving occasionally (in my book) by the princess
Fael Illyar: yes, that happens a lot too :)
Riddle Sideways: I love that kis book
Riddle Sideways: can't remember the title
Fael Illyar: I'd say that, actually, the less "powerful" women in the book need less saving :)
Riddle Sideways: yeah
Riddle Sideways: one point is that I woul not like to be Locked into the person I was yesteray
Riddle Sideways: but I do that to my chilren
Riddle Sideways: she will always be my little girl
Fael Illyar: yes, why?
Riddle Sideways: yet I hate that somebody
Riddle Sideways: demands I be exactly yesterdays person
Adams Dubrovna: I always thought of myself as Homer Simpson when giving advice to my children
Adams Dubrovna: Not to be taken too seriously
Caledonia Heron: that bell is like a water that asks if you need anything right when you get to the good part of the conversation
Caledonia Heron: like a waiter I meant to type
Riddle Sideways: would not the person realize somebody named Riddle would be a bit different
Caledonia Heron: lol re Homer comment
Fael Illyar: yes, it's good to make it clear that it's their own decision, even if they are asking for your advise.
Caledonia Heron: d'oh
Riddle Sideways: ah, to have a collection of Cal comments on the bell
Riddle Sideways: each 15 min is different
Caledonia Heron: I'm just getting started
Caledonia Heron: first time with the bell
Gybele Silvera: lol
Riddle Sideways: a year ago, I downloaded and startedd running a gong program
Riddle Sideways: several months ago itstopped running
Riddle Sideways: I didnot notice
Caledonia Heron: were you glad about it grasshopper?
Riddle Sideways: not sure
Fael Illyar: were you still doing the pauses on the bells when it stopped?
Riddle Sideways: the gong now goes off in my headd, yes
Riddle Sideways: and I am dingie
Caledonia Heron: bonggggggggggggggggg
Riddle Sideways: has amazing effect on co-workers
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Caledonia Heron: lol, no doubt
Riddle Sideways: take a huge deep breath during a meeting
Riddle Sideways: they sometimes do too
Fael Illyar: I can make my cellphone go dongggggg every 15 minutes :)
Riddle Sideways: ooooooo I could make mine vibrate
Adams Dubrovna has no cellphone
Riddle Sideways: electro shock theropy
Caledonia Heron: wow, no cell.... you are a wizard Adams :)
Riddle Sideways: good for you addams
Adams Dubrovna: Nah, just an old foggie Cal :)
Riddle Sideways: if somebody needs to get you, they just
Riddle Sideways: HEY YOU
Adams Dubrovna: yup
Caledonia Heron: :)
Adams Dubrovna: I never like regular phones...don;t see that I would like cellphones any better
Riddle Sideways: I am thinking wizards would have smartphones
Riddle Sideways: but, not do that subject
Caledonia Heron: a smartphone is as smart as the wizardusing it :)
Riddle Sideways: so true
Adams Dubrovna: Is a smart phone anything like a smart classroom?
Riddle Sideways: I thought I never told you about that
Riddle Sideways: I didn't tell you what type of software I write
Caledonia Heron: do tell
Caledonia Heron: smart software?
Riddle Sideways: hmmmmm, I need to do that another time
Riddle Sideways: RL is starting to happen
Caledonia Heron: yep, need to skeedaddle too
Adams Dubrovna: me three :)
Riddle Sideways: thank you all
Caledonia Heron: bye y'all, happy zeoeth BD :)
Adams Dubrovna: Bye everyone :)
Fael Illyar: See you later Riddle, Adams, Cal :)
Gybele Silvera: bye All
Caledonia Heron: zero-ith
Riddle Sideways: baa baa and have a nice one
Caledonia Heron: zeroeth?
Caledonia Heron: something wrangle that sheep
Fael Illyar: hut hut :)
Caledonia Heron: hut hut
Caledonia Heron: hej hej
Caledonia Heron: hoot hoot
Riddle Sideways: :)