2009.03.31 13:00 - Fef invites happiness ad Moon finnishes with a bang

The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod
Renard.
  
  Pema Pera: (you can see from the state of the fountain: misty while we're
  doing the 90 sec)
  arabella Ella: my graphics are real bad with m\y laptop unfortunately
  Pema Pera: ah, that's a pity
  arabella Ella: but i am trying to get a better laptop
  Pema Pera: the misty waters look really nice
  arabella Ella: :)

  Pema stimulates Fefonze into discussion:

  Pema Pera: Fefonz had a very nice observation
  arabella Ella: yes?
  Pema Pera: about something he saw on the web, from a TED conference
  Pema Pera: do you want to tell us, Fef?
  Fefonz Quan: ok,
  arabella Ella: oooo I love the TED videos
  Mickorod Renard: great
  Fefonz Quan: so i was watching a lecture someone sent me
  Mickorod Renard: Hi Pila
  arabella Ella: Hiya Pila
  Pila Mulligan: hi
  Fefonz Quan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM
  arabella Ella: i cant open browser while on SL or i risk crashing :(
  Fefonz Quan: this is the link, but it is about 20 min, so i wouldn't expect
  you to see it now :)
  Pema Pera: :)
  Fefonz Quan: well, On that lecture which i thought was very clear and nicely
  presented, he talks about choice and happines
  arabella Ella: who is speaker Fef?
  arabella Ella: do u know name?
  Fefonz Quan: and his main idea is, (which he seems very surprised to say)
  Pila Mulligan: Barry Schwartz
  arabella Ella: ok ty
  Fefonz Quan: (dr schwartz i think ara, but if you go there you'll find out
  quickly)
  Mickorod Renard: hiya Scath
  Fefonz Quan: Hey Scatach
  Pema Pera: Hi Schathach
  Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick, all:)
  Pila Mulligan: hi Scathach
  SophiaSharon Larnia: HI
  arabella Ella: Hiya Scath
  Fefonz Quan: So this nice lecturer, Barry schwartz, wrote a whole book about
  the connection between the choices and options to choose we have, to our
  happiness
  arabella Ella: oh yes now i remember i think i have watched it too
  Fefonz Quan: and he came to the conclusion that not only more options do not
  increase our happiness -
  arabella Ella: it is very interesting by a psychologist
  Fefonz Quan: in fact they decrease is
  arabella Ella: yes
  Fefonz Quan: it.
  Fefonz Quan: and that's because in the process of choosing to many options
  paralyzes us, and frustrate us,
  Fefonz Quan: and after we chose, we always consider that we missed a better
  option
  Fefonz Quan: .
  arabella Ella: i remember that happening to me each time i visited a
  supermarket in the UK where choice is fantastic but confusing
  Fefonz Quan: the last one is also because when having more choice, our
  expectation of the results get higher.
  Fefonz Quan: (again, i recommend seeing it, much more fun than hearing me
  talking aoubg it).
  Fefonz Quan: But my point is this:
  Pila Mulligan: hi Horalik
  Fefonz Quan: though according to his definitions of happiness and what makes
  us happy, he has a point well presented,
  Mickorod Renard: Hi Horalik
  arabella Ella: Hiya Horalik
  Fefonz Quan: on a more basic level he misses the whole point.
  arabella Ella: yes it is an excellent video
  arabella Ella: oh
  Horalik Exonar: Hello to the conscious beings
  SophiaSharon Larnia: yes fefonz?
  Mickorod Renard: Hi,,is Horalik new?
  Pema Pera: hi Horalik!
  Scathach Rhiadra: he is gone
  Fefonz Quan: instead of getting to the conclusion that less options are good
  for us, he should now ask himself: why does it make us lesss happy.
  Mickorod Renard: thanks,,was searchin all over for him
  Scathach Rhiadra: :)
  Pila Mulligan: I'm listening to his talk while we chat here,Fefonz
  Fefonz Quan: and then he might find much more profound and intersting things
  Fefonz Quan: for example - if you presume that the clothes you buy will make
  you happy, then he might be right
  arabella Ella: what do you reckon he will find Fef?
  Fefonz Quan: but if you se that our happiness is not jeans-oriented, and our
  satisfaction does not depend on the external parameters of what we bought,
  Mickorod Renard: hi yichard
  Yichard Muni: Vendui mellyn iler
  Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yichard
  Fefonz Quan: if we can be satisfied and appereciate what we already have,
  Pema Pera: Hi Yichard!
  Mickorod Renard: shhhhhh
  Fefonz Quan: than this new point of view makes his point very limitted.
  Yichard Muni: Vendui mellyn iler = hello all the frinds
  Fefonz Quan: surely, if i am not happy with my cloth/life/car, his multitude
  options - unhappiness might be a symtom of it
  Yichard Muni: -
  Pema Pera: (Fef, 90 sec :-)
  Fefonz Quan: symptom of it.
  Pila Mulligan: he was born the same year I was, and what I am hearing most
  easily is his nostalgia for times when things were less chaotic
  Mickorod Renard: ok,,u can talk now fef,,,;_)
  Scathach Rhiadra: :)
  Pema Pera: :-)
  Fefonz Quan: So, i felt that it's like someone found out, that if i have more
  stairs to my apparetement, i will breath harder when getting home
  Fefonz Quan: but the real reason is not the stairs, it is that i am in bad
  shape
  Yichard Muni: sorry, bad connexion
  Fefonz Quan: and instead of worry about the number of stairs, i should do
  something about my physical condition
  Fefonz Quan: So that's what i thought about it, if it makes sense here
  SophiaSharon Larnia: you present children with a few choices, for similar
  reasons...life is a smorgasbord of almost infinite choices...
  Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, we very often look at curing the symptoms of a problem,
  rather than looking for the causes
  Fefonz Quan nods to scath
  SophiaSharon Larnia: id he saying thatwe are like children, i should listen
  before i say :))
  arabella Ella: i can identify with what he said so much since where i live we
  do not have much choice and i see the difference when i travel
  Fefonz Quan: but i guess you are right about the children, Sophia :)
  Pema Pera: the opposite of a great truth is a great truth . . . :-)
  SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
  Pema Pera: being happy with few choices is important -- and appreciating many
  choices is too
  Fefonz Quan: he also shows how people, while engaging in a certain activitie,
  think all the time of otther activities they loose
  Pema Pera: it's the appreciation that counts, as Fefonz indicated
  Pila Mulligan: the visuals aids for his presentation are mostly cartoons :)
  Fefonz Quan: and very funny ones :)
  Pema Pera: For me, living in New York City is a funny situation, the super
  abundance of choices. In a small town, I could go to any performance of
  interest. In a medium size city choice would be difficult. In NYC there are so
  ridiculously many choices that I cannot possibly care anymore about what I am
  missing every day . . . .
  Pema Pera: so I'm happy to go for a walk in the park
  arabella Ella: yes i can empathise with that Pema
  Pila Mulligan: not to change subjects abrutly, but are there any new plans for
  tomorrow?
  Fefonz Quan: Also, if i recignize that the shirt i'll by won't define my hapoi
  nes for the next week, i take the choosing process much more lightly
  Pema Pera: not really, no, Pila :)
  Fefonz Quan: recognize*
  Pila Mulligan: just another day at Pab :)
  Pema Pera: yup
  Pila Mulligan: Fefonz, I'd say a lot of the things he addressed relate to
  thepopulation explosion
  Fefonz Quan: why so Pia?
  Pila Mulligan: he's comparing today to 40 years ago
  Pila Mulligan: the population doubled in that time
  Pila Mulligan: things got more crowded
  Pila Mulligan: and more chaotic
  arabella Ella: it also relates to markets and to consumerism i think
  Fefonz Quan: i think more to arabella point,
  Fefonz Quan: population can be doubl, leading to less resources and options
  Pila Mulligan: yes, he is not saying what I am saying, my comment is a
  cirtique :)
  Mickorod Renard: kids are drwn into consumerism now,,
  Fefonz Quan: i also think that when you know what you want, coosing is much
  easier, though this is still 'within the story'
  Fefonz Quan: choosing
  arabella Ella: yew Fef but i will never forget going to a supermarket in UK to
  buy olive oil and finding about 20 choices and being so confused
  Pila Mulligan: he notes that 40 years ago if you wanted a phone you rented it
  from Bell and that was that
  Pila Mulligan: compared to today's phone choices
  Fefonz Quan: (and he says that's why that phone never broke up :))
  Pila Mulligan: well, they broke but it didnt matter becaus eBell replaced it
  Mickorod Renard: its even hard to choose how to pay,,for eg,,cash card or
  whatever
  Pila Mulligan: I rememebr picking up the old phone and hearing a live person
  say, 'number please'
  arabella Ella: and it is often so confusing to find out which is cheapest for
  same quality stuff
  Fefonz Quan: i thought yesterday about the olive oil too :)
  arabella Ella smiles
  arabella Ella: it is so much easier to have just perhaps three qualities
  Scathach Rhiadra: so good reason to stop and drop what we have:)
  Fefonz Quan: yet, i i know one that i like problem solved!
  Mickorod Renard: creatures of habit seem far more content
  Yichard Muni: okie, I need to go. Have a nixce discussion :-)
  Pila Mulligan: brb - phone call :)
  arabella Ella: bye Yichard
  Scathach Rhiadra: bye Yichard
  Mickorod Renard: bye yichard
  Fefonz Quan: bye yichard
  Yichard Muni: bell phone cal??? :-)
  arabella Ella: how would u solve the problem Fef?
  Pema Pera: bye Yichad
  Pema Pera: Yichard
  Fefonz Quan: the one i mentioned?
  Fefonz Quan: just buy the one i like
  arabella Ella: yes but ... how do you choose when there is so much choice?
  arabella Ella: 20 brands of olive oil
  arabella Ella: or 20 types of black olevi jeans
  arabella Ella: levi
  Fefonz Quan: again, if i don't know any of them, surely some asking /tasting
  is needed
  arabella Ella: not always possible ... rarely the case
  arabella Ella: trial and error then i guess ... plus expense
  arabella Ella: but i think another message is
  arabella Ella: we should strive for a more simple life if we wish to be happy
  ... far from consumerism too
  Fefonz Quan: i don't want to say that chossing doesn't need time to solve
  Fefonz Quan: but if i know that it is not so important - i'll take teh nicer
  oil :)
  Pila Mulligan: hi Moon
  Moon Fargis: ^^/
  Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Moon
  Fefonz Quan: Hey Moon :)
  arabella Ella: Hiya Moon
  Mickorod Renard: hi moon
  SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Moon
  Pema Pera: gruess dich, Herr Mond
  Moon Fargis: tach auch pema :)
  Fefonz Quan: an considering the jeans - just by looking many are disposed
  immediately
  arabella Ella: i think all this choice and happiness business must be more
  tough for those who cannot afford much ... or who cannot afford the better
  olive oil
  Fefonz Quan: well taht is easy arabella - the price range limit your choise!
  Fefonz Quan: when i choose a car - and i know my price limit - infact it
  reduces the option to very few]
  arabella Ella smiles
  Pila Mulligan: and then there is always Consumer Reports :) (product reviews)
  Fefonz Quan: and while i'm not letting myself go to "if i had more money i
  would have a nicer car" - there is no problem
  arabella Ella: but you are forgetting one thing Fef ... the present tendency
  for ppl to live on credit
  Fefonz Quan: i don'[t think we really want to get into economic issues, it is
  a littel of topic.
  Fefonz Quan: (i never live on credit, just to say)
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Fefonz Quan: off-topic (among other typos along the road :))
  arabella Ella: apologies
  Fefonz Quan: not at all
  Pila Mulligan: once upon a time, long ago in a distant galaxy, there was
  something called customer service -- something else that really fits Dr.
  Schwratz's 40 year time frame camparison
  Pila Mulligan: where oh where did it go?
   Pema Pera: well, Apple stores are a re-play of that, Pila :)
   Pema Pera: btw, what do you all think about the new 90-sec silence, do you
  like it?
  Pema Pera: something to be kept?
  Scathach Rhiadra nods:)
  Mickorod Renard: I like it
  arabella Ella: yes
  Pema Pera: me too
  Pila Mulligan: moi aussi
  Moon Fargis: well i it ok but in the early monring it is.. hmm
  Moon Fargis: zz.zzzz.zz
  Pila Mulligan: ... and that was 90 seconds of silence, Hamoody :)
  Moon Fargis streches himself
  Pila Mulligan: hi Corvi
  Pema Pera: hiya Corvi!
  Fefonz Quan: Hey Corvi :)
  Scathach Rhiadra: Hello corvi
  Mickorod Renard: Hi Corvi
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all1
  Hamoody Broono: bye bye...
  arabella Ella: Hiya Corv

  SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Corvuscorva
  Moon Fargis: onigokko
  Moon Fargis: (awwws)
  Pema Pera: :-)
  Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: Pema!!!
  arabella Ella: LOL
  Pila Mulligan: oops, only one dancer
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: Pema is the only player here!!!
  Moon Fargis: stop
  SophiaSharon Larnia: woohoioo goooo
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook!!!
  Pema Pera: that's what I get for wearing Moon's onigokko . . . .
  arabella Ella: good dancer Pema
  SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
  Moon Fargis: weshall change that :)
  Pema Pera: a bit simple though
  Pema Pera: Moon is going to booby trap all of us :-) ?
  Moon Fargis: just wear my friends
  Moon Fargis: and hopefuly it doesnt play the music already
  Moon Fargis: ok everyone ready and attached ?:))
  Fefonz Quan: yep
  Mickorod Renard: yep
  Moon Fargis: onigokko
  Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
  SophiaSharon Larnia: omg im dying here
  Moon Fargis: stop
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Moon Fargis: sophia... you should have seen this.. ooh you can see it one sec
  Pema Pera: an old PaB tradition . . .
  Fefonz Quan: and you thought it's a sirious group Sophia :)
  Moon Fargis: not when i am here:)
  SophiaSharon Larnia: i did notice the 'play' *giggles*
  Fefonz Quan: cool :)
  Moon Fargis: ashh where do i got the picture of the mass onigokko
  Fefonz Quan: So infact today ew accomplish teh first one year of pab
  SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
  Pila Mulligan: true Fefonz
  Pila Mulligan: the 365th day
  Pila Mulligan: wb arabella
  Fefonz Quan: what time was the first sesession pema?
  Mickorod Renard: wb Ara
  SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe
  arabella Ella: apologies crashed
  Moon Fargis: so long time ago pema.. wowies
  Pema Pera: what do you mean, Fef?
  Fefonz Quan: whay time of the day, which hour
  Pema Pera: on April 1, 2008, at 7 am
  Pema Pera: SLT
  Fefonz Quan: (i know it april1)
  Pema Pera: we didn't have 1 am sessions, that started early in May
  Pema Pera: after I went to Japan :-)
  Fefonz Quan: ah nice, so my GoC Slot tomorrow is the first of the new year :-)
  Moon Fargis: hmm i wonder when came into pab.. cant remember anymore
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Pema Pera: this evening we will accompish one year of Pab, Fefonz
  Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
  Pema Pera: we're still one slot off :)
  Fefonz Quan: this night infact
  Pema Pera: hi there Steve
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: Stevie! you made it from the bus!
  Moon Fargis: this will need something specal
  arabella Ella: Hiya Steve
  stevenaia Michinaga: Yea
  Pema Pera: Steve fell off the bus?
  Mickorod Renard: Hi Steve
  stevenaia Michinaga: Not likely pema
  Moon Fargis: and youre lucky i am here :) (prepares)
  Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Steve
  stevenaia Michinaga: From iPhone
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: wpw
  Corvuscorva Nightfire: wow
  stevenaia Michinaga: Grins
  stevenaia Michinaga: All I see is text
  Pila Mulligan: are you doing SL form an iphone Steve?
  Fefonz Quan: Hey Steve, i still see you as a white light being :)
  SophiaSharon Larnia: that is amazing
  stevenaia Michinaga: Could be a pab 1st
  stevenaia Michinaga: Yes
  stevenaia Michinaga: On bus ride home
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Pema Pera: I had no idea that was possible
  Pila Mulligan: holy schmoly
  Moon Fargis: ok my friends
  SophiaSharon Larnia laughs
  Moon Fargis: set your environment to night please
  stevenaia Michinaga: Will wonders never cease
  Pila Mulligan: someone needs to describe what Moon is oding for Steve's text
  view
  stevenaia Michinaga: What? you aren't filming this for me?
  Pila Mulligan: [90 second pause Steve -- just a sec:)]
  Pila Mulligan: ding
  SophiaSharon Larnia: yur a white blob steve but present :p
  Pila Mulligan: Moon is preparing a special event
  Fefonz Quan: beautiful fountain mist :)
  Moon Fargis: ok everyone who wants to have a better view come here please:)
  arabella Ella: coming
  stevenaia Michinaga: Thx
  Pila Mulligan: Moon has drawn all the avis to his monk robed self
  Pila Mulligan: stars glitter in the night sky
  Pema Pera: wow, how nice!
  Pema Pera: a worthy PaB celebration!
  Scathach Rhiadra: and you know where the best place to be is?
  Pila Mulligan: a massive fireworks diplay begins
  arabella Ella: coooooooool
  Pila Mulligan: nice Moon :)
  Pila Mulligan slips out to Maxine's workshop
  stevenaia Michinaga: Someone take pics for the wiki pls
  Pema Pera: Recht herzlichen dank Herr Mond!
  Pema Pera: das war ja super
  Pema Pera: sehr nett
  stevenaia Michinaga: Figure today I'm text only
  Pema Pera: bis bald!
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