2009.03.31 13:00 - Fef invites happiness ad Moon finnishes with a bang

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod
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      Pema Pera: (you can see from the state of the fountain: misty while we're
      doing the 90 sec)
      arabella Ella: my graphics are real bad with m\y laptop unfortunately
      Pema Pera: ah, that's a pity
      arabella Ella: but i am trying to get a better laptop
      Pema Pera: the misty waters look really nice
      arabella Ella: :)

      Pema stimulates Fefonze into discussion:

      Pema Pera: Fefonz had a very nice observation
      arabella Ella: yes?
      Pema Pera: about something he saw on the web, from a TED conference
      Pema Pera: do you want to tell us, Fef?
      Fefonz Quan: ok,
      arabella Ella: oooo I love the TED videos
      Mickorod Renard: great
      Fefonz Quan: so i was watching a lecture someone sent me
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Pila
      arabella Ella: Hiya Pila
      Pila Mulligan: hi
      Fefonz Quan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM
      arabella Ella: i cant open browser while on SL or i risk crashing :(
      Fefonz Quan: this is the link, but it is about 20 min, so i wouldn't expect
      you to see it now :)
      Pema Pera: :)
      Fefonz Quan: well, On that lecture which i thought was very clear and nicely
      presented, he talks about choice and happines
      arabella Ella: who is speaker Fef?
      arabella Ella: do u know name?
      Fefonz Quan: and his main idea is, (which he seems very surprised to say)
      Pila Mulligan: Barry Schwartz
      arabella Ella: ok ty
      Fefonz Quan: (dr schwartz i think ara, but if you go there you'll find out
      Mickorod Renard: hiya Scath
      Fefonz Quan: Hey Scatach
      Pema Pera: Hi Schathach
      Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick, all:)
      Pila Mulligan: hi Scathach
      SophiaSharon Larnia: HI
      arabella Ella: Hiya Scath
      Fefonz Quan: So this nice lecturer, Barry schwartz, wrote a whole book about
      the connection between the choices and options to choose we have, to our
      arabella Ella: oh yes now i remember i think i have watched it too
      Fefonz Quan: and he came to the conclusion that not only more options do not
      increase our happiness -
      arabella Ella: it is very interesting by a psychologist
      Fefonz Quan: in fact they decrease is
      arabella Ella: yes
      Fefonz Quan: it.
      Fefonz Quan: and that's because in the process of choosing to many options
      paralyzes us, and frustrate us,
      Fefonz Quan: and after we chose, we always consider that we missed a better
      Fefonz Quan: .
      arabella Ella: i remember that happening to me each time i visited a
      supermarket in the UK where choice is fantastic but confusing
      Fefonz Quan: the last one is also because when having more choice, our
      expectation of the results get higher.
      Fefonz Quan: (again, i recommend seeing it, much more fun than hearing me
      talking aoubg it).
      Fefonz Quan: But my point is this:
      Pila Mulligan: hi Horalik
      Fefonz Quan: though according to his definitions of happiness and what makes
      us happy, he has a point well presented,
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Horalik
      arabella Ella: Hiya Horalik
      Fefonz Quan: on a more basic level he misses the whole point.
      arabella Ella: yes it is an excellent video
      arabella Ella: oh
      Horalik Exonar: Hello to the conscious beings
      SophiaSharon Larnia: yes fefonz?
      Mickorod Renard: Hi,,is Horalik new?
      Pema Pera: hi Horalik!
      Scathach Rhiadra: he is gone
      Fefonz Quan: instead of getting to the conclusion that less options are good
      for us, he should now ask himself: why does it make us lesss happy.
      Mickorod Renard: thanks,,was searchin all over for him
      Scathach Rhiadra: :)
      Pila Mulligan: I'm listening to his talk while we chat here,Fefonz
      Fefonz Quan: and then he might find much more profound and intersting things
      Fefonz Quan: for example - if you presume that the clothes you buy will make
      you happy, then he might be right
      arabella Ella: what do you reckon he will find Fef?
      Fefonz Quan: but if you se that our happiness is not jeans-oriented, and our
      satisfaction does not depend on the external parameters of what we bought,
      Mickorod Renard: hi yichard
      Yichard Muni: Vendui mellyn iler
      Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yichard
      Fefonz Quan: if we can be satisfied and appereciate what we already have,
      Pema Pera: Hi Yichard!
      Mickorod Renard: shhhhhh
      Fefonz Quan: than this new point of view makes his point very limitted.
      Yichard Muni: Vendui mellyn iler = hello all the frinds
      Fefonz Quan: surely, if i am not happy with my cloth/life/car, his multitude
      options - unhappiness might be a symtom of it
      Yichard Muni: -
      Pema Pera: (Fef, 90 sec :-)
      Fefonz Quan: symptom of it.
      Pila Mulligan: he was born the same year I was, and what I am hearing most
      easily is his nostalgia for times when things were less chaotic
      Mickorod Renard: ok,,u can talk now fef,,,;_)
      Scathach Rhiadra: :)
      Pema Pera: :-)
      Fefonz Quan: So, i felt that it's like someone found out, that if i have more
      stairs to my apparetement, i will breath harder when getting home
      Fefonz Quan: but the real reason is not the stairs, it is that i am in bad
      Yichard Muni: sorry, bad connexion
      Fefonz Quan: and instead of worry about the number of stairs, i should do
      something about my physical condition
      Fefonz Quan: So that's what i thought about it, if it makes sense here
      SophiaSharon Larnia: you present children with a few choices, for similar
      reasons...life is a smorgasbord of almost infinite choices...
      Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, we very often look at curing the symptoms of a problem,
      rather than looking for the causes
      Fefonz Quan nods to scath
      SophiaSharon Larnia: id he saying thatwe are like children, i should listen
      before i say :))
      arabella Ella: i can identify with what he said so much since where i live we
      do not have much choice and i see the difference when i travel
      Fefonz Quan: but i guess you are right about the children, Sophia :)
      Pema Pera: the opposite of a great truth is a great truth . . . :-)
      SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
      Pema Pera: being happy with few choices is important -- and appreciating many
      choices is too
      Fefonz Quan: he also shows how people, while engaging in a certain activitie,
      think all the time of otther activities they loose
      Pema Pera: it's the appreciation that counts, as Fefonz indicated
      Pila Mulligan: the visuals aids for his presentation are mostly cartoons :)
      Fefonz Quan: and very funny ones :)
      Pema Pera: For me, living in New York City is a funny situation, the super
      abundance of choices. In a small town, I could go to any performance of
      interest. In a medium size city choice would be difficult. In NYC there are so
      ridiculously many choices that I cannot possibly care anymore about what I am
      missing every day . . . .
      Pema Pera: so I'm happy to go for a walk in the park
      arabella Ella: yes i can empathise with that Pema
      Pila Mulligan: not to change subjects abrutly, but are there any new plans for
      Fefonz Quan: Also, if i recignize that the shirt i'll by won't define my hapoi
      nes for the next week, i take the choosing process much more lightly
      Pema Pera: not really, no, Pila :)
      Fefonz Quan: recognize*
      Pila Mulligan: just another day at Pab :)
      Pema Pera: yup
      Pila Mulligan: Fefonz, I'd say a lot of the things he addressed relate to
      thepopulation explosion
      Fefonz Quan: why so Pia?
      Pila Mulligan: he's comparing today to 40 years ago
      Pila Mulligan: the population doubled in that time
      Pila Mulligan: things got more crowded
      Pila Mulligan: and more chaotic
      arabella Ella: it also relates to markets and to consumerism i think
      Fefonz Quan: i think more to arabella point,
      Fefonz Quan: population can be doubl, leading to less resources and options
      Pila Mulligan: yes, he is not saying what I am saying, my comment is a
      cirtique :)
      Mickorod Renard: kids are drwn into consumerism now,,
      Fefonz Quan: i also think that when you know what you want, coosing is much
      easier, though this is still 'within the story'
      Fefonz Quan: choosing
      arabella Ella: yew Fef but i will never forget going to a supermarket in UK to
      buy olive oil and finding about 20 choices and being so confused
      Pila Mulligan: he notes that 40 years ago if you wanted a phone you rented it
      from Bell and that was that
      Pila Mulligan: compared to today's phone choices
      Fefonz Quan: (and he says that's why that phone never broke up :))
      Pila Mulligan: well, they broke but it didnt matter becaus eBell replaced it
      Mickorod Renard: its even hard to choose how to pay,,for eg,,cash card or
      Pila Mulligan: I rememebr picking up the old phone and hearing a live person
      say, 'number please'
      arabella Ella: and it is often so confusing to find out which is cheapest for
      same quality stuff
      Fefonz Quan: i thought yesterday about the olive oil too :)
      arabella Ella smiles
      arabella Ella: it is so much easier to have just perhaps three qualities
      Scathach Rhiadra: so good reason to stop and drop what we have:)
      Fefonz Quan: yet, i i know one that i like problem solved!
      Mickorod Renard: creatures of habit seem far more content
      Yichard Muni: okie, I need to go. Have a nixce discussion :-)
      Pila Mulligan: brb - phone call :)
      arabella Ella: bye Yichard
      Scathach Rhiadra: bye Yichard
      Mickorod Renard: bye yichard
      Fefonz Quan: bye yichard
      Yichard Muni: bell phone cal??? :-)
      arabella Ella: how would u solve the problem Fef?
      Pema Pera: bye Yichad
      Pema Pera: Yichard
      Fefonz Quan: the one i mentioned?
      Fefonz Quan: just buy the one i like
      arabella Ella: yes but ... how do you choose when there is so much choice?
      arabella Ella: 20 brands of olive oil
      arabella Ella: or 20 types of black olevi jeans
      arabella Ella: levi
      Fefonz Quan: again, if i don't know any of them, surely some asking /tasting
      is needed
      arabella Ella: not always possible ... rarely the case
      arabella Ella: trial and error then i guess ... plus expense
      arabella Ella: but i think another message is
      arabella Ella: we should strive for a more simple life if we wish to be happy
      ... far from consumerism too
      Fefonz Quan: i don't want to say that chossing doesn't need time to solve
      Fefonz Quan: but if i know that it is not so important - i'll take teh nicer
      oil :)
      Pila Mulligan: hi Moon
      Moon Fargis: ^^/
      Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Moon
      Fefonz Quan: Hey Moon :)
      arabella Ella: Hiya Moon
      Mickorod Renard: hi moon
      SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Moon
      Pema Pera: gruess dich, Herr Mond
      Moon Fargis: tach auch pema :)
      Fefonz Quan: an considering the jeans - just by looking many are disposed
      arabella Ella: i think all this choice and happiness business must be more
      tough for those who cannot afford much ... or who cannot afford the better
      olive oil
      Fefonz Quan: well taht is easy arabella - the price range limit your choise!
      Fefonz Quan: when i choose a car - and i know my price limit - infact it
      reduces the option to very few]
      arabella Ella smiles
      Pila Mulligan: and then there is always Consumer Reports :) (product reviews)
      Fefonz Quan: and while i'm not letting myself go to "if i had more money i
      would have a nicer car" - there is no problem
      arabella Ella: but you are forgetting one thing Fef ... the present tendency
      for ppl to live on credit
      Fefonz Quan: i don'[t think we really want to get into economic issues, it is
      a littel of topic.
      Fefonz Quan: (i never live on credit, just to say)
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Fefonz Quan: off-topic (among other typos along the road :))
      arabella Ella: apologies
      Fefonz Quan: not at all
      Pila Mulligan: once upon a time, long ago in a distant galaxy, there was
      something called customer service -- something else that really fits Dr.
      Schwratz's 40 year time frame camparison
      Pila Mulligan: where oh where did it go?
       Pema Pera: well, Apple stores are a re-play of that, Pila :)
       Pema Pera: btw, what do you all think about the new 90-sec silence, do you
      like it?
      Pema Pera: something to be kept?
      Scathach Rhiadra nods:)
      Mickorod Renard: I like it
      arabella Ella: yes
      Pema Pera: me too
      Pila Mulligan: moi aussi
      Moon Fargis: well i it ok but in the early monring it is.. hmm
      Moon Fargis: zz.zzzz.zz
      Pila Mulligan: ... and that was 90 seconds of silence, Hamoody :)
      Moon Fargis streches himself
      Pila Mulligan: hi Corvi
      Pema Pera: hiya Corvi!
      Fefonz Quan: Hey Corvi :)
      Scathach Rhiadra: Hello corvi
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Corvi
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all1
      Hamoody Broono: bye bye...
      arabella Ella: Hiya Corv

      SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Corvuscorva
      Moon Fargis: onigokko
      Moon Fargis: (awwws)
      Pema Pera: :-)
      Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: Pema!!!
      arabella Ella: LOL
      Pila Mulligan: oops, only one dancer
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: Pema is the only player here!!!
      Moon Fargis: stop
      SophiaSharon Larnia: woohoioo goooo
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: ook!!!
      Pema Pera: that's what I get for wearing Moon's onigokko . . . .
      arabella Ella: good dancer Pema
      SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL
      Moon Fargis: weshall change that :)
      Pema Pera: a bit simple though
      Pema Pera: Moon is going to booby trap all of us :-) ?
      Moon Fargis: just wear my friends
      Moon Fargis: and hopefuly it doesnt play the music already
      Moon Fargis: ok everyone ready and attached ?:))
      Fefonz Quan: yep
      Mickorod Renard: yep
      Moon Fargis: onigokko
      Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
      SophiaSharon Larnia: omg im dying here
      Moon Fargis: stop
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Moon Fargis: sophia... you should have seen this.. ooh you can see it one sec
      Pema Pera: an old PaB tradition . . .
      Fefonz Quan: and you thought it's a sirious group Sophia :)
      Moon Fargis: not when i am here:)
      SophiaSharon Larnia: i did notice the 'play' *giggles*
      Fefonz Quan: cool :)
      Moon Fargis: ashh where do i got the picture of the mass onigokko
      Fefonz Quan: So infact today ew accomplish teh first one year of pab
      SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
      Pila Mulligan: true Fefonz
      Pila Mulligan: the 365th day
      Pila Mulligan: wb arabella
      Fefonz Quan: what time was the first sesession pema?
      Mickorod Renard: wb Ara
      SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe
      arabella Ella: apologies crashed
      Moon Fargis: so long time ago pema.. wowies
      Pema Pera: what do you mean, Fef?
      Fefonz Quan: whay time of the day, which hour
      Pema Pera: on April 1, 2008, at 7 am
      Pema Pera: SLT
      Fefonz Quan: (i know it april1)
      Pema Pera: we didn't have 1 am sessions, that started early in May
      Pema Pera: after I went to Japan :-)
      Fefonz Quan: ah nice, so my GoC Slot tomorrow is the first of the new year :-)
      Moon Fargis: hmm i wonder when came into pab.. cant remember anymore
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Pema Pera: this evening we will accompish one year of Pab, Fefonz
      Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
      Pema Pera: we're still one slot off :)
      Fefonz Quan: this night infact
      Pema Pera: hi there Steve
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: Stevie! you made it from the bus!
      Moon Fargis: this will need something specal
      arabella Ella: Hiya Steve
      stevenaia Michinaga: Yea
      Pema Pera: Steve fell off the bus?
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Steve
      stevenaia Michinaga: Not likely pema
      Moon Fargis: and youre lucky i am here :) (prepares)
      Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Steve
      stevenaia Michinaga: From iPhone
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: wpw
      Corvuscorva Nightfire: wow
      stevenaia Michinaga: Grins
      stevenaia Michinaga: All I see is text
      Pila Mulligan: are you doing SL form an iphone Steve?
      Fefonz Quan: Hey Steve, i still see you as a white light being :)
      SophiaSharon Larnia: that is amazing
      stevenaia Michinaga: Could be a pab 1st
      stevenaia Michinaga: Yes
      stevenaia Michinaga: On bus ride home
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Pema Pera: I had no idea that was possible
      Pila Mulligan: holy schmoly
      Moon Fargis: ok my friends
      SophiaSharon Larnia laughs
      Moon Fargis: set your environment to night please
      stevenaia Michinaga: Will wonders never cease
      Pila Mulligan: someone needs to describe what Moon is oding for Steve's text
      stevenaia Michinaga: What? you aren't filming this for me?
      Pila Mulligan: [90 second pause Steve -- just a sec:)]
      Pila Mulligan: ding
      SophiaSharon Larnia: yur a white blob steve but present :p
      Pila Mulligan: Moon is preparing a special event
      Fefonz Quan: beautiful fountain mist :)
      Moon Fargis: ok everyone who wants to have a better view come here please:)
      arabella Ella: coming
      stevenaia Michinaga: Thx
      Pila Mulligan: Moon has drawn all the avis to his monk robed self
      Pila Mulligan: stars glitter in the night sky
      Pema Pera: wow, how nice!
      Pema Pera: a worthy PaB celebration!
      Scathach Rhiadra: and you know where the best place to be is?
      Pila Mulligan: a massive fireworks diplay begins
      arabella Ella: coooooooool
      Pila Mulligan: nice Moon :)
      Pila Mulligan slips out to Maxine's workshop
      stevenaia Michinaga: Someone take pics for the wiki pls
      Pema Pera: Recht herzlichen dank Herr Mond!
      Pema Pera: das war ja super
      Pema Pera: sehr nett
      stevenaia Michinaga: Figure today I'm text only
      Pema Pera: bis bald!
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