2009.04.12 01:00 - The meaning of life and everything and so on

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    Susi Alcott: Hi Moon
    Moon Fargis: hi susi ^^
    Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
    Susi Alcott: Hi Martinlau
    Martinlau Rae: hi
    Moon Fargis: hiya
    Martinlau Rae: what are you guys doing here?
    Stargate Tone: Hello Martinlau
    Susi Alcott: chatting
    Moon Fargis: wwe are in a play as bein meeting , we meet here 4 times a day to talk about a new awarenes mediation form we practise
    Moon Fargis: its open for everyone
    Moon Fargis: and free to learn
    Martinlau Rae: oh, since i am a new resgister of SL, i am still trying to figure out what the SL is
    Susi Alcott: Hi Qt
    Moon Fargis: well its second life :)
    Stargate Tone: Hello Qt
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Moon Fargis: hi qt
    Stargate Tone: ah; SL is all that RL
    Moon Fargis: well in rl you cant fly like we do :)
    Stargate Tone: it's ppl here *
    Stargate Tone: hm...with Ur mind u can :)
    Moon Fargis: martin: we also log our sessions here and paste them on our webpage (http://playasbeing.wik.is/) there yu also can read whats all about it
    Moon Fargis: is it ok to include your name?
    Stargate Tone: maybe it's good to think that SL is manifestation of the persons spirits more genuin will
    Martinlau Rae: actually, i find out this application in my e-commerce text book. It seems quite different between the interpretation of the text book and the real world here
    Qt Core: and with multiple av/outfit you can more clearly put out different sides of yourself
    Moon Fargis: yes you open doors to your mind with your avatars
    Stargate Tone: ah yes; you can 'play' male or female as you feel need/will
    Moon Fargis: its thankfully no sensless war like other online words have
    Moon Fargis: like warcraft aso
    Martinlau Rae: i have tried, but it does really hard to open my mind
    Stargate Tone: occures to my mind one person in my SL radio casting; as his dream told how he's got genuin possibilities to find all of himself; throught that step by step the whole nature of Univers
    Stargate Tone: he only had have doubts that he's experiencies were somehow fauls...lie....
    Moon Fargis: morning corvi ^^
    Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
    Stargate Tone: Good Morning Corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Morning all
    Martinlau Rae: after expriencing in here about half day, i did feel i am doing something aimless
    Susi Alcott: Hi Corvi
    Martinlau Rae: hi
    Qt Core: Hi Corvi
    Moon Fargis: martin: ahhh well what hobbys do y
    Moon Fargis: intrests?
    Moon Fargis: starwars?
    Moon Fargis: you find everything here
    Moon Fargis: buddhists and rl monks too
    Qt Core: well, in virtual worlds like WoW there is a goal here there is no one... so they are infinite
    Martinlau Rae: um..history, reading
    Moon Fargis: lots of museums in sl too
    Moon Fargis: and librarys
    Qt Core: and historic places
    Stargate Tone: and yes; just normal laws by Linden in SL too; just like in RL...
    Stargate Tone: also that some persons dont follow them...like in RL
    Stargate Tone: (lived 'few lives' in SL
    Stargate Tone: +)
    Stargate Tone: but...well...what U'll experience here...or not...completely up to you to decide
    Stargate Tone: cuz one thing is completely different to RL; one can always log out without that it would be the final choice
    Stargate Tone: ..thinking that in case you wanted to have more safety life in SL; you have come the the exact right place now
    Moon Fargis: hehe yes well but theres a sentence
    Qt Core: i think people (and myself) are more open in chats/IM.virtual worlds as they can the plug whenever they become stressed/unconfortable
    Moon Fargis: i remember from one of my favorite songs
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods to QT
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and they tend to find good friends here, too, i think.
    Moon Fargis: "even theres no pain, rules are still the same"
    Stargate Tone: some are; some do lie more than in RL....
    Stargate Tone: ah yes Moon
    Moon Fargis: (enigma - tnt for the brain)
    Stargate Tone: we just had good conversation last night in Hikari meeting about free will
    Stargate Tone: as there was a person who had not understood that it's truely 'there'
    Moon Fargis: (can also mean if theres no pain, rules are still the same, cant quiet understand it but should hitthe direction)
    Qt Core: don't know how they do it... well, maybe i know... sometime telling lees (especially about and to oneself) is easier and less panfull than telling the true
    Stargate Tone: as he had forgottan that each one makes one's own desicion already 'loggin in' to the new awaken time in human world
    Stargate Tone: that no matter what kind of rules there are; one can still make much choices not to suffer...
    Moon Fargis: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCymEgkkNG0)
    Stargate Tone: ->the songs message
    Stargate Tone: yes Qt; sadly people feel many 'reasons' to lie
    Stargate Tone: mostly that is only cuz they are afraid that there wishes wouldn't come true otherwise
    Stargate Tone: not thinking that the lie in fact makes things even worse
    Qt Core: and maybe sometimes we don't ever know we are lieing
    Stargate Tone: cuz the truth shall always effect at least a little
    Stargate Tone: and the way that the lie hurts at least the liar
    Stargate Tone: hm; I've been teached that it's also possible to lie to oneself....but....know also that it's 'quite easy' to check that out if one has any doubts of that
    Stargate Tone: but...that surely also is the choice if to....
    Qt Core: weird video...
    Stargate Tone: but cuz of the genuin nature of human kind beings too, is the will to know the truth
    Moon Fargis: qt: yes enigma have intresting videos sometimes
    Stargate Tone: so...normally it's 'just that' so called 'heart' that tells....if there's something wrong in one's own mind...that 'telling' is bad feelings; feeling that something is missing...
    Stargate Tone: so...that feeling use to help ppl to seek...
    Moon Fargis: (psssst)
    Moon Fargis: binnng
    Stargate Tone: not even trying to say, that all bad feelings would be imagined or self created bad situations effect
    Stargate Tone: if one is hungry and cannot get food; that's painfull
    Moon Fargis: martin: so even in sl you can have a wife, being marryd and can adopt a children
    Qt Core: i feel like it is the opposite, but maybe i have a different definition of heart ;-)
    Moon Fargis: as many are aso children in sl and searching for parents
    Moon Fargis: (ofcourse they are adult)
    Moon Fargis: (but play as children)
    Stargate Tone: Qt may I ask what 'opposite' you mean ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: many as children are simply playing out their own childhood dramas to see what they can see, too.
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Qt Core: that is the mind that discover the heart faults
    Moon Fargis: they try to have a better childhood here than they had
    Stargate Tone: also they can live 'un leaved childhood' :)***
    Stargate Tone: ah...o.k.....
    Moon Fargis: but many also leave their inner child out and are playfull :)
    Qt Core: just a way to forget daily problems
    Stargate Tone: well; is there gone by 4getting ?
    Stargate Tone: ...and yes; also the physcal heart 'speaks' the same language than the 'spiritual' heart; that's why many ppl have heart probs...
    Qt Core: maybe forgetting wasn't the right term, pushing them aside for some time
    Stargate Tone: I understand what you mean; but that's the desicion too...if to listen to heart or deside to 'close it's mouth'
    Stargate Tone: ah...only little facts in life
    Martinlau Rae: I still have no purpose or objective in "playing" SL, that's why i said i feel hard to be here, moon
    Stargate Tone: as surely nobody is ment to suffer for each persons sufferings.....
    Stargate Tone: ah...well..what brought you to log in ?
    Stargate Tone: (logged in knowing that I'll work in SL)
    Moon Fargis: martin: ahh sl is no play
    Moon Fargis: just be as you are
    Moon Fargis: but you can be playfull
    Martinlau Rae: i log in for expriencing wt SL is as wt the book ask me to do
    Stargate Tone: ah yes; many ppl imagine SL to be a game...and they do here things they wouldn't do in RL...
    Stargate Tone: ah; understand
    Stargate Tone: well; I'de say that you did listen to your heart following the advise of that book
    Qt Core: you should visit marketplace and advertising/marketing sim and group then
    Qt Core: there are a lot of them
    Stargate Tone: and yes; you may compare SL to traveling too
    Stargate Tone: and the good saying is that it expands mind :)***
    Stargate Tone: traveling I mean
    Stargate Tone: so....in case your mind seeks more reasons...maybe that's not the good way to think....
    Moon Fargis: is there a hitchhikers guide to sl ?:)
    Martinlau Rae: i realise there is many information available here, however, i felt perplexed in finding such information or like you said traveling in SL world
    Stargate Tone: notice my 'maybe'
    Qt Core: just use the search function for specific terms or just do some "random" teleporting using the map
    Stargate Tone: ...each doing can lead to the adwenture...the more easy that happenes in SL than in Rl
    Martinlau Rae: i have been using this function since i opened this account, i saw different types of building, map here, but mostly without even a person, that's what i meant the world here isn't match the description of my book
    Qt Core: i think media always tell you the total number of subscriber not the number of actually logged in people
    Stargate Tone: ah; you got the 'pic' that there would be ppl all over ?
    Qt Core: just search for the green dots ;-)
    Moon Fargis: yes :)
    Stargate Tone: well; there's many very empty sims...
    Moon Fargis: lots of sims are private
    Stargate Tone: cuz there's so huge many worlds in SL
    Stargate Tone: well...I have 'world' on three different sims...
    Qt Core: i never random teleport myself in void sim, i'm here in sl for the people, not the (nice) pixels
    Moon Fargis: heres one you might want to look at if you search some mindfull rest
    Stargate Tone: and you can also use the search to get to know the groups
    Stargate Tone: huge many different kind of groups in SL; huge many
    Stargate Tone: some are to only to have fun; having club or clubs
    Stargate Tone: beautiful dancing places too
    Stargate Tone: as well serious groups for different interest
    Stargate Tone: there's also guidence of the most popular events and so...there's much ppl present
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: my technique for finding groups is looking at people's profiles..i go to places like metanomics and snoop profiles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: until i find somehting interesting.
    Qt Core: some even too serious ;-)
    Stargate Tone: agree Qt
    Martinlau Rae: yes, i know, there is a large volume of various groups here, but i can't find a way to be a part of such group.
    Stargate Tone: but....as well as it's in RL :)
    Stargate Tone: ah; many are just to click the 'join' and then U'll get the information of the meetings
    Martinlau Rae: i feel more easier to speak in Rl rather than in SL
    Stargate Tone: as the matter in fact is, that no matter what kind of group; there's always different kind of people to meet
    Moon Fargis: ah intresting, most feel more easy to speak in sl than rl
    Stargate Tone: surprised me too :)*
    Moon Fargis: cus in rl you have to face the one youre talking too
    Moon Fargis: look in his eyes
    Moon Fargis: dont have time to think about
    Moon Fargis: in sl you can choose your words wise with lots of thinkingtime
    Stargate Tone: btw; in PaB meeting one can surely also be quiet and listen to what others are speaking....
    Stargate Tone: as well as in most of the groups meetings
    Stargate Tone: ah yes...if Ur not too quick fingered :)
    Stargate Tone: well...sometimes it sure can be hard to follow the lines....
    Qt Core: or quick with your english too
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Stargate Tone: yea
    Stargate Tone: hi Bauke
    Susi Alcott: Hi Bauke
    Bauke Clowes: Hallo.
    Stargate Tone: ok
    Moon Fargis: tach auch
    Moon Fargis: bitte keine waffen :)
    Stargate Tone: outch
    Martinlau Rae: since my first language isnt english, so i sometime feel shy to chat in SL
    Bauke Clowes: Ik kom jullie neerknallen
    Bauke Clowes: Ow
    Bauke Clowes: kan niet
    Bauke Clowes: xD
    Stargate Tone: ah; hoping U'de to free Urself at least here in PaB meeting
    Martinlau Rae: what's that?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Martin, your english is just fine.
    Stargate Tone: well...at least I felt bad for that
    Moon Fargis: noobs
    Stargate Tone: but....he/she was somebody trying to free his/her agressive feelings...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and..well...not everyone in sl speaks english
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank goodness.
    Stargate Tone: so...now You saw something of them bad experiencies one can get in SL easily where ever
    Stargate Tone: but...can also see that nothing genuin bad happened to us here....but maybe that person got rid of some bad feelings...(althought I dont believe so...as they are other kind of games for that; not desturbing genuin persons behind the pc, but images)
    Stargate Tone: ...seen so many ppl to play at fist...they all have found the truth that it's no game....
    Qt Core: english isn't my first language neither, but instead of being a limit it free myself from some "autocensure" i sometimes do to myself in my own language
    Stargate Tone: but real living with other people
    Stargate Tone: and yes; I've taken that it can be the treasure of communication; not to take it to be obvious that oneself has understood right the meaning of the other persons words
    Stargate Tone: ...ot use voice; that gives more possibilities to understand and to be understood....but many ppl dont want that cuz of using the opposite gender...
    Stargate Tone: and...well...thinking that the gender is not relevant having conversations 'only'
    Qt Core: and non native english speakers usually are far better in text than in voice
    Stargate Tone: agree
    Stargate Tone: one of my friend from Argentina said, that it's always new learning to speak with 'new' person
    Stargate Tone: cuz of the way to pronounce
    Stargate Tone: but it's also kind of charachter; other ppl prefere write than speak
    Qt Core: yes it is nice to hear good english... and i'm scared by my own when i listen to it echoed from others
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Stargate Tone: ah...not all of the people wanna hear own voice...specially them ppl want, who are singers and so...
    Stargate Tone: so that's one of them reasons that all dont use voice even if coul
    Stargate Tone: could
    Qt Core: it is not my voice, it is my awful accent that scare me
    Stargate Tone: (I lost voice for new needed system in my pc; am sad for that)
    Stargate Tone: ah
    Stargate Tone: well...to me; different accent are interested 'thing'
    Stargate Tone: and I believe I'm not the only one
    Qt Core: many say it to me, but for my is just wrong (i don't have problem with light accents but mine is tick)
    Moon Fargis: well in chat there are normally no accents
    Moon Fargis: so be happy :)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Stargate Tone: ***<3<3<3***
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Qt Core: and there is even backspace to right spelling errors (if you catch them)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Moon has one, though. He speaks with a teddy bear accent.
    Moon Fargis: *mumblegrumble*
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Qt Core: time to go
    Moon Fargis: ok see you qt
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Qt Core: bye all
    Stargate Tone: see you Qt
    Martinlau Rae: 8
    Stargate Tone: ah; would you mind to tell about ur '8'; to me it's the No of my called upstairs office....(my 'religion')
    Stargate Tone: but is't also a symbol of eternall friend...
    Martinlau Rae: not a number, since i just saw that Qt is going to leave, i have to time to type bye,so i type 8 to replace it
    Stargate Tone: **
    Martinlau Rae: i have no time<
    Stargate Tone: ** = 'got it'; understood
    Stargate Tone: still was nice to see Ur mind to pick that No :)***
    Moon Fargis: well 8 is a look so you have endlesstime :)
    Stargate Tone: yes
    Moon Fargis: lop
    Moon Fargis: loop
    Moon Fargis: binng
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    Stargate Tone: _/!\_
    Martinlau Rae: could you mind to tell me wt's ur interest?
    Stargate Tone: all
    Stargate Tone: all possible
    Martinlau Rae: and moon?
    Moon Fargis: hmm well mostly zen buddhism, buddhiams and art
    Moon Fargis: building
    Moon Fargis: candy
    Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i like role playing, writing, and finding out about people.
    Stargate Tone: (Moon's special food)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Moon bears live on candy.
    Stargate Tone: **
    Stargate Tone: what are Ur interests ?
    Martinlau Rae: o..buddhiams, you have read some stuff related to it?
    Susi Alcott: Hi Van
    Stargate Tone: Hello Van; pls behave
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs
    Moon Fargis: yes better dress yourself
    Moon Fargis: well yes that also happens
    Stargate Tone: (takes it to be interest that there's both kind of griefes appeard here now; meaning the behaving with AV)
    Moon Fargis: well they all wanted to show martin the other side of sl
    Moon Fargis: sex, weapons ad rocknroll
    Stargate Tone: (Moon has his own meditation events and babbling after that)
    Stargate Tone: seems so
    Martinlau Rae: i have seen it before, that's one of the factors that made me feel unplesant here
    Martinlau Rae: unpleasant
    Stargate Tone: ah yes Martin; I have strong belief that also in SL ppl have the 'habbit' to 'run' into the situations with which they meet there fears and wishes...that also more easier than in RL)
    Stargate Tone: very understandable
    Stargate Tone: (still felt bad even seen this now and then)
    Stargate Tone: (but that's cuz I take them ppl to have problems within themself)
    Moon Fargis: well thats happen in all onlineworlds that there are children
    Moon Fargis: who just are there to gref
    Moon Fargis: grief
    Martinlau Rae: moon, can i ask you a question about buddhiams?
    Moon Fargis: sure
    Moon Fargis: buddhims
    Moon Fargis: hms
    Moon Fargis: ok
    Moon Fargis: buddhism
    Moon Fargis: beng
    Moon Fargis: i should stop writing when i am tred
    Martinlau Rae: is that all being in the world should have a fair-right in choosing their life?
    Moon Fargis: ofcourse
    Stargate Tone: that right is to all....but not so many can make it to come genuinly true ...yet....
    Martinlau Rae: why human have such right to eat another creature?
    Stargate Tone: but that's cuz most of the people still are too much children; not having understanding
    Stargate Tone: well ; not only human have that right
    Stargate Tone: and...well::there's many life forms that eats human being...
    Moon Fargis: martin: at the end its your desission
    Stargate Tone: even kill human beings
    Moon Fargis: your free will to eat meat or not
    Martinlau Rae: i feel angry as i listened my friend said pigs are born as a food to human.
    Moon Fargis: well understandable
    Moon Fargis: answer him, humans are born to feed the worms in the grave where they lie becasue they died of a heartattack cus of too much fat in their veins... at the end humans are same meat as pigs, we discussed the meaning f life yesterday, as i said "the meaning of life is how much worth you give into it"
    Moon Fargis: and not just your life
    Stargate Tone: well; can understand your friends mind too; I thank for them animals who's given possibility to my food to exist
    Moon Fargis: al other lifes too
    Martinlau Rae: i have spent an hour to argue with him, he bring up a point that i have no way to argue, that's how about vegetable you ate
    Stargate Tone: well...many ppl eat raw carrot; so ; that's to eat living existence....
    Moon Fargis: ahthe classical "but you kill plants to by eating them" discussion
    Moon Fargis: at the end, its your morality, i also eat meat
    Moon Fargis: but i take care
    Moon Fargis: that when i eat it shall be from such that had a live wich should ment for them, not put into a small cage and used as food
    Moon Fargis: i also take care about that with the veggies
    Moon Fargis: that they coming from such farms where they grown naturally up
    Moon Fargis: ah seems i have to be afk for a few mins
    Moon Fargis: maybe 10
    Moon Fargis: if we dont see us, have a nice day
    Martinlau Rae: thanks for ur saying, it does useful
    Moon Fargis: (we cant avoid kill, we can avoid doint it by intention)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i think, too, the thing about killing is about our own intention.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i don't eat animals.
    Stargate Tone: also to take care of the weaker ones....
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i don't even eat fish or bugs.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: because i know what it does to ME to kill them.
    Martinlau Rae: dont even chicken?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i have to cut out a part of my sympathy to do so.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nope
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: not even chicken
    Stargate Tone: hm
    Stargate Tone: Corvi; do you judge us who eat also meat ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: no, not at all.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's for me that i chose that
    Stargate Tone: wanted to bring that out :)****
    Martinlau Rae: may i ask where do you live in RL?
    Stargate Tone: in Finland
    Susi Alcott: in Finland
    Martinlau Rae: finland?
    Martinlau Rae: where is it?
    Stargate Tone: lol
    Stargate Tone: Ur the first one to ask, but I know it's not so well known around the world;
    Stargate Tone: small country up on North Europe; between Sweden and Russia
    Stargate Tone: small nation; ab 5 million ppl; including all nations which do live here; moved from south and so
    Martinlau Rae: ok= =i do have no much knowledge about the geography
    Stargate Tone: dont worry; Ur not at all the only one :)
    Stargate Tone: hearts
    Martinlau Rae: and i live in a even smaller city, hong kong
    Stargate Tone: well; that amount I told is whole nation of the country :)***
    Stargate Tone: not a city :)*
    Martinlau Rae: in a real world, i am a person that always try to improve myself in different way
    Martinlau Rae: yes i know that, but where i live is just a city= =
    Stargate Tone: **
    Stargate Tone: know about Hong Kong :)*
    Stargate Tone: well; each one has own path; that is unic
    Stargate Tone: nobody gets birth alone
    Stargate Tone: nobody grow alone
    Stargate Tone: nobody can controll even them events of own life....
    Martinlau Rae: true
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh..it's time for me to go...*puts the teddy bear gently down on the mat*
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i will see ya'll soon!
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    Martinlau Rae: see you then
    Stargate Tone: ..yes...it alwasy 'makes a hole' when some loving person needs to leave....
    Martinlau Rae: it nice to have a chat with you all, typically, when will you login Sl?
    Stargate Tone: well,,,as there's no time within me....
    Stargate Tone: depends of when I'm needed to for any reason I feel in my heart
    Stargate Tone: but yes; being online much for different missions
    Martinlau Rae: oh, i get it
    Stargate Tone: but these PaB meetings are always at 1 and 7 hours SL time
    Moon Fargis: rehi
    Stargate Tone: and there's almost always some guardian present
    Stargate Tone: it's the 'spirit' of PaB
    Moon Fargis: 1 am 7am 1pm 7pm
    Stargate Tone: welcome back Moon
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: hms asome customer got a problem with my ballons i sell..
    Moon Fargis: ok solved:)
    Stargate Tone: good *
    Moon Fargis: martin: you also can make money in sl
    Moon Fargis: when you have building or scripting skills
    Stargate Tone: hm...but that's also depended on many things; just like in RL
    Martinlau Rae: um...i think i won't do it, i am here for meeting different person globally, I have no such intention to make money here
    Stargate Tone: know many artists that has made beautiful things, but never sold anything even tried for a year
    Susi Alcott: have good time all
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: see you susi
    Moon Fargis: hehe long long pab session today

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