2009.04.23 07:00 - Breaking Through

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

    Susi, Adams, and I talked a little of Spring, then technological and other kinds of leaps based on work that  happens underneath before it can be noticed in a logical way.   

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susi
    Susi Alcott: Hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: How are you today? Well I hope
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: U ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, great hat!
    Susi Alcott: Hi Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Eliza and Susi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: What are we thinking about this morning?
    Adams Dubrovna: It is a bright sunshint morning here and it is lighting up lots of fresh greenery
    Adams Dubrovna: that is in RL here
    Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic!
    Adams Dubrovna: after a number of days of rain
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Here it is bright and warm and very green also... Bless the rain! :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Susi Alcott: here that is still kind of winter
    Susi Alcott: but sun finally came
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh...winter sun is very nice
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Susi Alcott: but it's now much cuz of the cold ground
    Susi Alcott: the winter atmosphare I mean
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Adams Dubrovna: when does spring come there Susi?
    Susi Alcott: have not appeared for 9th year now
    Susi Alcott: as summer has hit the wintern 'down here' at the southern parts of Finland
    Susi Alcott: about 200 km up; might be ab 300 miles; there spring comes still
    Susi Alcott: I experienced lost for losing the spring...
    Adams Dubrovna nods
    Susi Alcott: but used to that quite soon
    Susi Alcott: but after almost 50 years that was strong change
    Adams Dubrovna: is there a reason for the change?
    Adams Dubrovna: is it global warming?
    Susi Alcott: but takes mind often back to childhood; those beautiful spring days
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Susi Alcott: that is the reason
    Eliza Madrigal: I relate a little... We don't have much Spring here either...goes from a short fall to winter (more like fall than winter) then into Summer...then pretty much stays Summer with a few rests.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :(
    Susi Alcott: it started much longer time back as we got the 'southern' nights
    Eliza Madrigal: What do you mean 'sothern' nights, Susi?
    Susi Alcott: hot days and cold nights
    Susi Alcott: summers was hot nights also up to my 40s
    Susi Alcott: have experienced beautiful 'warm' summer nights in my life
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Susi Alcott: they are also very rare been; longer than the spring has been 'offline'
    Susi Alcott: noticed the wish rising...that it would come such computers that would read the mind :)
    Susi Alcott: when wanted
    Eliza Madrigal: :) on our way I think
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Susi Alcott: there surely would be many beautiful experiences to share within millions of people's mind
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed. This brings me into a phrase that I woke up with this morning "Conscious understructure"
    Susi Alcott: if that computer could create the videos to 'tell'
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adams Dubrovna wondering about conscious understructure
    Susi Alcott: thinking yes that before such computers ppl have got the 'skill' to share thoughts...
    Eliza Madrigal: Susi, computers eventually seem to 'catch up' with potentials that have a picture already ...yes
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, people could write :)
    Susi Alcott: as it's been so wonderfull here to 'travel' ppl's with ppl's tellings
    Adams Dubrovna: could you say more Eliza about c.u.?
    Susi Alcott: who's got the time can sure write
    Eliza Madrigal: And Science Fiction authors came up with things which sounded very wild at the time.
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure Adams...
    Susi Alcott: like capten Nemo :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Susi Alcott: yet; it's always better when people can meet and share that way
    Susi Alcott: HI Aries
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm...the idea is basically that often we try to get at things in a very solid sort of way, and this seems the logical thing to do....
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aries
    Aries Triellis: Hello
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Aries :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome, have you been to Play as Being before?
    Aries Triellis: What goes on here
    Aries Triellis: no I havent'
    Eliza Madrigal: I've just given you a card with a bit of information. Bascially, we get together to talk about the nature of reality and meditation..that sort of thing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And we record the conversations. If you'd like nt to be included in the recordings, that's fine, just let us know :)
    Aries Triellis: hmmmm... ok.. interesting... have to go to work in a few... but perhaps I will return. If I keep the card you gave me... I can find this again? Correct?
    Eliza Madrigal: You're more than welcome to join us :) Yes certainly.
    Aries Triellis: Ok.. thanks. bye now
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: bye

    Conscious Understructure

    Eliza Madrigal: Okay...the conscious understructure to my mind, is something there all the time but taken for granted by our logical minds
    Eliza Madrigal: For instance when someone talks about the 'distant meditator' or monk....that they are somehow not doing real work....
    Eliza Madrigal: "staying up on the mountain"
    Eliza Madrigal: they aren't really seeing the understructure....
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: that without that presence and silence and consciousness....
    Eliza Madrigal: the rest of the "work" isn't going to matter much
    Eliza Madrigal: Intention causes the $1 to make more of a difference than $100000 given ..in a way.
    Eliza Madrigal: Some would argue this, but well...this is what I'm thinking about this morning.
    Adams Dubrovna: :). My logical mind is trying to understand :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Breakthroughs happen in flashes, often not in "working" at things
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Or, the working at things matters because of the understructure
    Adams Dubrovna: but often when we are engaged
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, certainly.
    Adams Dubrovna: there seems to be some need for us to struggle sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: I agree....maybe it is the 'way' we struggle I am thinking about
    Adams Dubrovna: hmmm
    Adams Dubrovna: you mean we have good struggle and bad struggle?
    Adams Dubrovna: useful struggle and not useful struggle
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...more that...struggling with roots not branches as much
    Adams Dubrovna: keeps us engaged
    Adams Dubrovna: growing roots?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think that is where we get into Play as Being and sheer appearances...dealing with the illusions as illusions...but not 'not' dealing...dealing consciously, thoughtfully, restfully even
    Adams Dubrovna: wu wei :)
    Adams Dubrovna: letting it happen
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, yes, yes... and this not being a "detached" thing
    Eliza Madrigal: this being a stronger thing
    Eliza Madrigal: more substative approach
    Susi Alcott: and more fragtle
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, at the same time
    Adams Dubrovna: yes fragile too
    Susi Alcott: thank you Adams correcting my spelling
    Adams Dubrovna: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: I know it is rather the same thing we've been talking about from all these angles, but that phrase seems to work with me today :))
    Susi Alcott: (....feels so good to see the right word )
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Susi Alcott: Hi Jehan
    Eliza Madrigal: Jehan, hello....Wecome
    Jehan Breen: hello all
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Jehan
    Eliza Madrigal: Have you been here before Jehan?
    Eliza Madrigal: I've just given you a card about Play as Being :)
    Jehan Breen: no its the first
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome :)
    Jehan Breen: thanks very
    Eliza Madrigal: We get together a few times a day, and record our conversations. Do you mind being included in those recordings?
    Jehan Breen: I dont know
    Jehan Breen: but can i a question please
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, just let me know if you decide you'd rather not be. Is fine..can edit! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure
    Jehan Breen: sorry to my indelicate english
    Jehan Breen: do u know Aurora Kitaz ?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...I believe we've met :)
    Susi Alcott: wishing you all very nice time
    Jehan Breen: Kitaj
    Adams Dubrovna: bye Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: see you again
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Jehan Breen: well i shall comme beck with her a other day
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Jehan Breen: now i must leave SL
    Eliza Madrigal: Great :) Bye for now Jehan
    Adams Dubrovna: OK, nice to meet you
    Jehan Breen: thank u to your welcome
    Adams Dubrovna: bye :)
    Jehan Breen: Bye
    Adams Dubrovna: Eliza, our recent thoughts and experience seem to color our way of looking at things
    Adams Dubrovna: sometimes we gain insights through our work and we forget that often we get them by not working :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe...yes....that is really what I meant...the ground preparation makes it possible to see
    Adams Dubrovna: Thank you for reminding me :)
    Adams Dubrovna: ah
    Adams Dubrovna: yes
    Adams Dubrovna: like gardening
    Eliza Madrigal: And we still have to get our hands into the work...yes
    Eliza Madrigal: and wrestle out the weeds
    Adams Dubrovna: lots of weeds :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ...but maybe they are looser if we take the time to prep. every day...every few hrs...every 15 minutes
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: remind ourselves to see
    Adams Dubrovna: to stop and see
    Eliza Madrigal: yes....to come back..remember
    Eliza Madrigal: To me it seems this keeps coming up with friends when discussing spiritual life... there is this face..."Well yes, "you like that sort of thing" hahah
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, remembering too
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: I don;t discuss spiritual life too much with friends in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: No...I feel that it comes up everywhere...
    Eliza Madrigal: So, maybe they're right...and also in your saying that our thoughts are colored...hm
    Adams Dubrovna: People who are close to me in RL just know I am sort of a Buddhist but not one either
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Your professional life is very spiritual...spiritual themes saturate
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, toher themes too
    Adams Dubrovna: other
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes
    Adams Dubrovna: I like to listen to sacred music while I work
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice. What sort?
    Adams Dubrovna: but that is a reminder to me
    Adams Dubrovna: It varies with time but often Christian Orthodox liturgical music. the Russian composer Gretchaninov is my favorite
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll have to look into that....
    Adams Dubrovna: but sometimes opera too
    Eliza Madrigal: That's beautiful..can weave the reminder into everything you think and do
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, it makes some moments seem holy
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes...I start off every morning with yoga music
    Eliza Madrigal: during the day it sometimes drops off though
    Adams Dubrovna: I wouldn;t tell anyone at work that though :)
    Adams Dubrovna: about what I experience with the music that is
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I see...hah. Yes, a principal at a school I worked with played Christian worship music, and it bothered a few
    Eliza Madrigal: but I liked it..wasn't intrusive at all...just lovely
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And I suppose art is the same? The same work evokes very distinct emotions, but this is nice to share I think. Maybe we create 'safe' or 'comfortable' contexts.
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, maybe :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Thanks for the discussion, Eliza. I must go back to RL
    Adams Dubrovna: Have a good day :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Say hello for me. Hha
    Eliza Madrigal: Have a marvelous day Adams :) Thanks for the discussion. :)
    Adams Dubrovna: bye for now :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye

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