2009.05.02 01:00 - 'Bringing the mind home'

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    I arrived at the pavillion and was soon joined by QT, who raised the topic we were to discuss for the whole session.     Our experience of the 90 second practice is SL (or 9 seconds in RL);  what do we actually do?

     Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT

    Qt Core: hi scath

    Scathach Rhiadra: How are you today?

    Qt Core: quite good, slept some hours more than usual... im almost new ;-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: so any topic you want to discuss?

    Qt Core: i'm just rethinking about the last session i was in, 12h ago

    Scathach Rhiadra: oh?

    Qt Core: (first time i tried hard during the 90sec periods)

    Scathach Rhiadra: and how did you find it?

    Qt Core: i usually calm myself but only yesterday remembered to control my breath

    Qt Core: those 90 sec become very very short

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, yes just like the 9 seconds

    Qt Core: (and i wasn't the only one noticing that)

    Scathach Rhiadra: makes you realise the benefit of doing the 9 seconds every 15 mins or so:)

    Qt Core: then i told an impression i had in these past days and someone said he feel the exact opposite, funny thing

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes experiences can seem to be the exct oposite

    Scathach Rhiadra: exact*

    Scathach Rhiadra: but sometimes, it is really the words we choose to describe them that give the difference, different meanings for different people

    Scathach Rhiadra: if we really look at the experience we might find it is not so different after all

    Qt Core: yes, the problem is we have only words (ok, maybe art too) to express them

    Scathach Rhiadra nods, hence the need for all the talking:)

    Qt Core: (and i'm well known to understand only words and having some problem with other communications media :-) )

    Scathach Rhiadra: if we keep on talking long enough, and openly enough, we are bound to find some common undersatndings

    Qt Core: that strange nice feeling you have when you meet someone "from another planet" and in the end you leave thinking we aren't so different after all

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes!

    Sophia and Bertrum arrive, and we continue the discussion, focusing on the effect of 'following the breath'...

    Qt Core: hi sophia

    Scathach Rhiadra: is this a holiday weekend in Italy too?

    Qt Core: yes

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia

    Scathach Rhiadra: how are you today Sophia?

    sophia Placebo: great thank you , how are you ?

    Scathach Rhiadra: fine ty

    Qt Core: hi bertrum

    Scathach Rhiadra: we were just talking about how QT tried the very hard at the 90 seconds yesterday and found the time very short

    sophia Placebo: hi berturm

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum

    Bertrum Quan: hi everyone

    sophia Placebo: oh yes i remmber , it is short and not short

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah you were at the same session:)

    sophia Placebo: yes :) was really nice one

    Qt Core: yes, that is a nice view of it, the time is short but you are aware of much more

    Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more QT

    Qt Core: maybe it is onlyu a side effect of having my eyes shut, but i hear much more things and so i know more about my surroundings

    Qt Core: and as now it is warm and i have partially open windows the outside is even more present

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Qt Core: but i hear and aknowledge those sound even all other time

    Qt Core: that remind me when as a kid i used to play the opposite of hide and seek

    sophia Placebo: how?

    Qt Core: only one went hiding and the others had to find (and hide with him/her)

    sophia Placebo: intersting

    Qt Core: i was the only one that stood silent and listened while the one went hiding

    Qt Core: and i remind the feeling of the "exploding in the silence" surroundings

    sophia Placebo: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    sophia Placebo: i used to have same results without breathing excersice , but it was amazing to get them with breathing cuz sometimes i become resistant to be relaxed ,never thought of the breathing excersice serouisly befor :) now im thinking about the free breathing course i missed

    Qt Core: i "always" known that breathing helped, but the month i did some yoga really burned it in my mind

    Qt Core: months

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, somehow following the breath gives the mind something to pull back to, then allows you to expand your awareness

    Qt Core: :-) yesterday i just said something like,,, whan my mind retreat in itself it expands itself ;-)

    Qt Core: when

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    sophia Placebo: well if you are familiar with breathing , why you think it is short -the 90 sec-?

    Scathach Rhiadra: I know one Tibetan lama calls it 'bringing the mind home', then relaxing in the awareness

    Qt Core: nice naming

    sophia Placebo: i like that scath

    Qt Core: telling it in tech terms... maybe we downclock our mind in those sec, then at the end of it we confront the number oc cycles we did with the one we would have had in stardard clock and we are surprised

    Scathach Rhiadra: (Sogyal Rinpoche, I think)

    sophia Placebo: i see

    Qt Core: you may need a nerd-english translator for that

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: I have found that experience of the 90 seconds we do here in SL has made me extend the 9 second practice in RL

    Scathach Rhiadra: it just didn't seem long enough anymore

    sophia Placebo: :)

    Qt Core: i just felt as "disturbing" the end of the last two 90 sec period

    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, how so?

    sophia Placebo: why?

    Qt Core: as i liked "where" i was

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, you did not want to leave it:)

    Qt Core: in the 9sec you haven't the time to settle

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Qt Core: and get confortable

    Qt Core: 90 may be enough

    Scathach Rhiadra: so it is easier to continue with your life, so to speak

    sophia Placebo: try 24 hour

    Scathach Rhiadra: :))

    Qt Core: could it became a drug ?

    Qt Core: like

    Scathach Rhiadra: well if it could, I would not mind being addicted to it:)

    Qt Core: (at least you aren't risking your life wiht it.... if you don't do it while driving)

    sophia Placebo: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Scathach Rhiadra: though just before driving may have a beneficial effect, the clarity and awareness could make you a better driver

    Qt Core: did an inverse experiment, havent do the 90 sec

    Qt Core: but just tried to feel the time span

    Qt Core: the time is the same... the difference is that those was 90 sec of "bad" nothing and were boring

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Qt Core: is thet the difference boredom ?

    sophia Placebo: waitin the time to pass is boring

    Qt Core: rl is missing me (not sure if i miss rl), have to go

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    sophia Placebo: bye qt

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye QT, have a good weekend

    Qt Core: bye all

    sophia Placebo: me too have to leave

    sophia Placebo: bye

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Sophia, have a good weekend:)

    sophia Placebo: oh here is the first day in the week

    sophia Placebo: the weekends were thursday and friday :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, did not know that

    sophia Placebo: i guess we are the only country :)

    sophia Placebo: np

    sophia Placebo: bye

    Bertrum Quan: where is Sophia's home country?

    Scathach Rhiadra: Saudi Arabia

    Bertrum Quan: It's good to see how the cultures differ...

    Bertrum Quan: I should head out too.

    Bertrum Quan: 'night Scath

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, me too, have a good weekend Bertrum

    Bertrum Quan: Thanks!

    Note: The expression quoted above (and title of this log) is often used by Sogyal Rinpoche, when talking about meditation in the Dzogchen tradition.  He talks of 'bringing the mind home to its true nature'.  Thinking of it brought to mind the following quotation from 'Glimpse of the Day'.......

    "If we are not contriving or manipulating the mind in any way, but simply resting in an unaltered state of pure and pristine awareness, that is Rigpa. If there is any contriving on our part or any kind of manipulating or grasping, it is not. Rigpa is a state in which there is no longer any doubt; there is not really a mind to doubt: you see directly. If you are in this state, a complete, natural certainty and confidence surge up with the Rigpa itself............"   Sogyal Rinpoche


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