2009.05.11 01:00 - Just a sec!

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Gaya Ethaniel. The comments are by Gaya Ethaniel. Tarmel and Pema were able to join me today :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Tarmel :)
    Tarmel Udimo: Hey Gaya:)
    Tarmel Udimo: How's it going?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Nice to see you. Did you have a good day? I'm well thanks :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah nice to see you too!
    Tarmel Udimo: yes nice day
    Tarmel Udimo: in the middle of cooking so may need to step out for a few mins
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure np :)
    Tarmel Udimo: BRB
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Gaya and Tarmel!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Nice to see you, how are you?
    Gaya Ethaniel: [Tarmel is afk for a bit]
    Pema Pera: I'm fine! My connection is a bit slow, so I hope that no sentences will be dropped for me . . . . we'll see :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Tarmel Udimo: back
    Gaya Ethaniel: Where about are you in RL? Unusual to see you at this hour Pema.
    Tarmel Udimo: hi pema
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Tarmel
    Pema Pera: (hmmm, that took a long time, to see my own sentences echo, and some never made it . . . )
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... :(
    Pema Pera: I'm in Tokyo -- close to your time zone, Tarmel
    Pema Pera: two hours behind you I think
    Tarmel Udimo: so what time is it now? I am 6:12 on Monday
    Pema Pera: and seven hours ahead of you, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's 9:12 am on Monday :)
    Pema Pera: 17:12 here on Monday
    Pema Pera: 5 pm
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe
    Tarmel Udimo: the world is turning
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's relative isn't it?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes SL allows you to realise that
    Gaya Ethaniel: uh... a strange comment sorry XD
    Pema Pera: yes, but it is slowing down -- it used to turn a whole lot faster :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: You think SL allows that realisation?
    Tarmel Udimo: really? in RL?
    Pema Pera: well, yes, the two main lessons I learned from SL are: 1) the world is round; 2) sleep is a precious thing
    Gaya Ethaniel guffaws behind the screen.
    Tarmel Udimo: sleeping makes you whole again. always works for me
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh Pema can I ask you something now that you are here? Less sunspots, is that really a big problem?
    Pema Pera: it would change the climate, make it cooler, would be a good thing :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Pema Pera: (and for the Earth rotation: at the beginning of the age of the dinosaurs, the duration of a day was only a little more than 22 hours)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: so is that an age thing, the earth slowing?
    Pema Pera: the moon takes up some of the amount of rotation -- it is called angular momentum
    Pema Pera: via the tides some of the rotation of the Earth is given to the Moon
    Tarmel Udimo: wow
    Pema Pera: so the Moon recedes from the Earth and the Earth slows down
    Gaya Ethaniel googles...
    Pema Pera: When the Moon was formed, it was very very close to the Earth, and the duration of a day was only a few hours
    Tarmel Udimo: I didn't know that
    Pema Pera: a kind of "leap second"
    Pema Pera: as a result of the day getting longer, we need to occasionally add a second to the day
    Tarmel Udimo: and is the moon continuing to flow away
    Pema Pera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second -- blame it on the moon :)
    Tarmel Udimo: who is the we that does that?
    Pema Pera: yes, spiralling out slowly more than flying away
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow... and these additions automatically feed through to my computer I suppose... amazing...
    Pema Pera: the tides in the ocean
    Pema Pera: the moon raises tides in the ocean
    Pema Pera: and the tides act back on the moon, as a kind of lever, exerting a torque
    Pema Pera: and over time, over very long times, the moon brakes the Earth
    Pema Pera: and the Earth catapults (sloooowly) the moon away
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: overwhelming
    Tarmel Udimo: so it’s quite remarkable that space ships or probes can actually reach where they are supposed to
    Pema Pera: oh, those time adjustments are made all the time
    Pema Pera: built in, also in GPS systems for example
    Tarmel Udimo: yes reading the link you gave us
    Tarmel Udimo: nods


    This is the image that flashed in my mind when Pema went...

    Pema Pera imagines conversations between the Earth and the Moon: "just a sec!"

    Leap Second.jpg

    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahaha
    Pema Pera: yet another kind of time tax . . .
    Gaya Ethaniel nods...
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Pema Pera: talking about time, I have to run -- dinner meeting coming up; I just found a few minutes in a coffee shop, waiting along the way
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your evening Pema :)
    Tarmel Udimo: enjoy, thanks for dropping in
    Pema Pera: good seeing you both here!
    Pema Pera: hope to stay longer next time
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good to have an astronomer about isn't it Tarmel?
    Tarmel Udimo: inspiring
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I am still blown away
    Pema Pera: bye for now
    Tarmel Udimo: bye
    Gaya Ethaniel waves
    Gaya Ethaniel: I will make a picture of 'just a sec' to add to this log I think :)
    Tarmel Udimo: nice
    Tarmel Udimo: what Pema just said has left me breathless!
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles and nods.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Wonder why these things happen...
    Gaya Ethaniel: We take the physics and natural laws etc for granted but I sometimes wonder why they are there... I mean.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Did you pet just cry? O.o
    Tarmel Udimo: no that was Kaju the water dragon instead of fire she breathes water
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Tarmel Udimo: [1:29] Gaya Ethaniel: We take the physics and natural law etc for granted but I sometimes wonder why they are there... I mean.
    Tarmel Udimo: that's why I was blown away and was about to ask Pema but then he left
    Gaya Ethaniel: We can ask him next time :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes, but why do you think?
    Gaya Ethaniel shrugs... I don't know...
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think about it once in a while...
    Gaya Ethaniel: What do you think?
    Tarmel Udimo: does it mean there's a creator is an obvious response
    Gaya Ethaniel: Partly yes... it is one of the questions from there.
    Tarmel Udimo: whether it’s called Being or God or whatever
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... I don't see 'Being' as a creator though but that's my understanding.
    Tarmel Udimo: can laws exist without 'being created'
    Tarmel Udimo: I don't know whether Being creates, but the stuff of being is out of which everything is created
    Tarmel Udimo: there is nothing else besides Being
    Gaya Ethaniel: So something cannot come out of nothing you mean?
    Tarmel Udimo: hmmm
    Tarmel Udimo: in a way yes
    Tarmel Udimo: being could just be and the essence of Being contains all these natural laws
    Tarmel Udimo: so it wasn't created per say but then one is still left with questions either way
    Gaya Ethaniel nods...
    Tarmel Udimo: I stopped struggling with these questions but then when pema explains something like he did I go whooaa
    Tarmel Udimo: what does that mean:)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well something to marvel at at least :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes a marvel it is
    Tarmel Udimo: it’s like the nervous system how amazing is that
    Tarmel Udimo: or all the biological processes
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes, nice to see outside my everyday box this way.
    Tarmel Udimo: you strike me as someone who always looks outside the box Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Can't remember who said it but there are two ways to understand the truth - one is to go around as far as one can and see the world; another is to dig deeper where one is inside.
    Gaya Ethaniel: heheheh too much day dreaming perhaps thanks though :)
    Tarmel Udimo: I'm a dig deeper kind of girl
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'd better get back to RL. Thanks for coming Tarmel. Enjoy your evening.
    Tarmel Udimo: you're welcome Gaya glad I made it
    Tarmel Udimo: can now go back to RL inspired
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles and waves.

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