2009.05.12 13:00 - Sweating is good for you


     The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard. 


    Mickorod Renard: I see there are around 70k people on Sl most times now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i noticed that too Mickorod
    Mickorod Renard: seems to be getting more popular by the day
    Fefonz Quan: more people are unemployed maybe ;-)
    aurel Miles: i hear there are a lot of empty avatars though


    aurel Miles: bots
    aurel Miles: which i never knew existed
    aurel Miles: but they do
    Mickorod Renard: Fef, trust you to come up with that one,,but you are proberbly right
    Fefonz Quan: why me Mick (fefonz rolls his eyes innocently)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: what are these bots for?
    aurel Miles: making places look popular, modelling clothes, hanging around retail stores - stuff like that
    Mickorod Renard: I see, bt they have no one controlling them?
    aurel Miles: that's right
    aurel Miles: they run on auto-pilot
    aurel Miles: set responses
    aurel Miles: etc etc
    Fefonz Quan: interesting
    aurel Miles: i thought so
    aurel Miles: one of my computerish friends told me about it
    aurel Miles: but then he started getting technical
    aurel Miles: and i drifted
    aurel Miles: So if you want to know nmore
    aurel Miles: you'll have to search it, i guesss
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI TheRawCookie
    Mickorod Renard: I suppose they make people,,avi's,,feel more happy to converse or visit places,,although they wouldnt attract me
    aurel Miles: me neither
    Fefonz Quan: do they talk too?
    aurel Miles: yes
    Fefonz Quan: passing turing test? ;-)
    aurel Miles: ?


    TheRawCookie Ferina: :P
    Mickorod Renard: hi
    TheRawCookie Ferina: nope
    Mickorod Renard: have you been here before Raw?
    TheRawCookie Ferina: nope ope
    Fefonz Quan: (Turing test- some thought experiment that is supposed to test AI
    TheRawCookie Ferina: im a noob =]
    Mickorod Renard: I will give you a note card Raw
    Fefonz Quan: if you can't say if you are talking to a man or to a computer - the computer passed the test)
    TheRawCookie Ferina: yaay i have no idea what that is
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oic
    aurel Miles: oh
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol thank ya
    Mickorod Renard: well, you are welcome to be with us,,in general discussion
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol k
    Mickorod Renard: but must mention that the chat here is posted on the internet for the public to access
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oh...like youtube er something?
    Mickorod Renard: sort of..its a wiki
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oh lol, is that why it says recording?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, but we tell people so that they will only say what they are happy with being public knowledge
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oh ok
    TheRawCookie Ferina: im ok with it
    TheRawCookie Ferina: even though i look like a noob xD
    Mickorod Renard: so, has anyone had some interesting ,,observations lately?


    aurel Miles: i went to a sweatlodge on saturday
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    TheRawCookie Ferina: omg!!
    Mickorod Renard: whats that Aurel?
    TheRawCookie Ferina: me too
    TheRawCookie Ferina: i love sweat lodges
    aurel Miles: and i am astonished at how little it takes for everything to change
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol
    aurel Miles: Are you native, Raw?
    Mickorod Renard: please enlighten me?
    TheRawCookie Ferina: no im not
    TheRawCookie Ferina: canadian
    aurel Miles: a sweatlodge is a first nations religious ceremony
    aurel Miles: me too
    Mickorod Renard: cool
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol yay
    aurel Miles: (Ottawa - what about you?)
    Mickorod Renard: what happens then?
    Fefonz Quan: (first nations?)
    aurel Miles: i won't go into detail - it would take too long
    TheRawCookie Ferina: its like a sauna
    aurel Miles: but it is an ancient ceremony
    aurel Miles: older than christ
    Fefonz Quan: like jews ;-)
    aurel Miles: it's similar to a sauna - i guess
    TheRawCookie Ferina: yay its like sweating your old self away..that sounds gross
    aurel Miles: yeah
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol
    aurel Miles: and you build a lodge out of maple saplings
    aurel Miles: and it is really intense
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    aurel Miles: meant to be a bit of a sacrifice
    TheRawCookie Ferina: lol yaaa
    aurel Miles: you suffer a little
    aurel Miles: but that's good
    Fefonz Quan: well they say sweat purify toxics
    aurel Miles: and you offer a sacred herb
    aurel Miles: tobacco
    TheRawCookie Ferina: or sweet grass
    aurel Miles: and sometimes you have visions
    aurel Miles: in my tradition it is always tobacco
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oh rly?
    aurel Miles: sweetgrass is for other things - but it varies
    Fefonz Quan: visiions? because of the herbs, or the hit?
    aurel Miles: yes
    aurel Miles: no
    TheRawCookie Ferina: sorry didnt know
    aurel Miles: the herbs are not ingested
    aurel Miles: not ever
    Wester Kiranov: The Swedish like to have beer in their saunas ;)
    aurel Miles: you pray and you sing
    aurel Miles: and you endure
    aurel Miles: in the dark, hot space
    Mickorod Renard: is this common amongst most ,,,native american groups?
    aurel Miles: it's like being in the womb of the earth
    aurel Miles: there's lots more to it
    aurel Miles: it is widespread
    aurel Miles: i am not sure i'd call it common
    Fefonz Quan: sounds like an intensive experience
    aurel Miles: more common in the east than the west
    TheRawCookie Ferina: yeah it is
    aurel Miles: virtually unheard of where i grew up
    aurel Miles: but very widespread here
    aurel Miles: and it's never common
    aurel Miles: even when you think it is
    Mickorod Renard: what would the politically correct way to refer to native american groups be Aurel?
    aurel Miles: in Canada
    TheRawCookie Ferina: =P
    aurel Miles: we say First Nations
    TheRawCookie Ferina: im eating sugaaaaar
    TheRawCookie Ferina: oh i see
    aurel Miles: anyway
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,we can chat again
    aurel Miles: i went in thinking it wouldn't change much for me
    aurel Miles: but it changed everything
    TheRawCookie Ferina: ok
    aurel Miles: (and i should have known better than to think that way)
    Mickorod Renard: can u say more? like why or how?
    aurel Miles: they aere led by Elders
    TheRawCookie Ferina: ^^
    Fefonz Quan: can you say more aurel?
    aurel Miles: well - i went in thinking about the fact that i don't have work right now
    aurel Miles: and i am in Ottawa
    aurel Miles: when i want to be in Austin
    aurel Miles: and everything seemed stuck
    aurel Miles: i am not at peace with my mother
    aurel Miles: or my sister
    aurel Miles: life was just really muddy
    aurel Miles: Sunday afternoon a friend of mine and i were talking candidly
    aurel Miles: and she asked me if i would consider coming to Boston
    aurel Miles: to help her prepare her house for sale
    aurel Miles: she would pay me
    aurel Miles: and i said yes
    aurel Miles: and last night
    aurel Miles: i sorted out how to move to Austin
    aurel Miles: yesterday i went to my old university
    aurel Miles: and picked up my demo reel
    aurel Miles: for radio
    aurel Miles: i talked frankly to my mnother
    aurel Miles: i just felt too tired to be stuck anymore
    aurel Miles: and i thought the sweatlodge hadn't worked
    aurel Miles: so i let go
    aurel Miles: and letting go changed everything
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Fefonz Quan: sounds wonderful aurel!
    aurel Miles: my pleasure
    Mickorod Renard: its funny,,because it ties in with letting go when we all talked the other week
    Fefonz Quan: do you think the seating help letting go?
    aurel Miles: the sweat lodge?
    aurel Miles: yes
    aurel Miles: definitely
    Mickorod Renard: seating or setting?
    Fefonz Quan: yes, sometimes shaking the boat is teh right way to go
    aurel Miles: if nothing else it made me think that even the most extreme measures weren't working
    aurel Miles: so it was time to give up
    aurel Miles: and the minute i gave up
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    aurel Miles: Everything changed.
    aurel Miles: Every single thing
    Mickorod Renard: I dont think its giving up,,just letting go of the control that wasnt working
    aurel Miles: really - it was giving up.
    aurel Miles: sunday morning - i cried and cursed
    Mickorod Renard: giving up the fight in the wrong direction perhaps?
    aurel Miles: and just let myself be totally pissed off at everything
    aurel Miles: and sunday afternoon
    aurel Miles: everything started changing
    aurel Miles: it's tuesday
    aurel Miles: i have been trying to fix this stuff since march
    aurel Miles: it took 2 days.
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,thats great news Aurel
    aurel Miles: it is - hard not to believe in the grace of a benevolent creator in the face of that
    aurel Miles: and of course, i have to give thanks to the Elder
    aurel Miles: who would not take no for an answer
    Mickorod Renard: yea
    aurel Miles: and kept fixing up the holes for me
    aurel Miles: he got me there
    aurel Miles: and kept me engaged
    SophiaSharon Larnia: holes?
    aurel Miles: and i tried his patience
    aurel Miles: yeah - you know,
    aurel Miles: i don't have a car - i can't go
    aurel Miles: i might be busy
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks for sharing aurel
    aurel Miles: i would make a little escape hole
    aurel Miles: and he would patch it up
    aurel Miles: so - someone else go
    aurel Miles: what happened to someone else this week?
    Mickorod Renard: I think many of us discover this ,,point, ,,in life,,often when there is no other alternative,,and it seems so obvious once grasped


    Mickorod Renard: its been pretty quiet for me, but I have loved seeing the better weather arrive,,sun but cool fresh air,,lovely
    Mickorod Renard: I started the classes here and at Kira during winter,,but I think its hard to see nice things during the winter
    Mickorod Renard: even though I managed,,,but spring and summer are lifting to the spirit
    Fefonz Quan loves the spring too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it does seem to change things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: more than vegetation etc
    Fefonz Quan: (though where i am spring is a little like my regular winter :))
    aurel Miles: where is that?
    aurel Miles: where is your regular winter?
    Fefonz Quan: east coast now
    aurel Miles: and before?
    Fefonz Quan: middle east :)
    aurel Miles: it is cold here too
    aurel Miles: wow
    aurel Miles: big shift
    Fefonz Quan: yyep, but temporal though
    Mickorod Renard: its interesting to think of how there are many references to ,,letting the sunshine in,,or letting the light in,,when feeling low
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    sophia Placebo: :) like regular winter


    Fefonz Quan: i see lately the effect of solitude vs. communication regarding the practice
    sophia Placebo: like regular summer more
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Oh?
    Mickorod Renard: howd u mean Fef?
    Fefonz Quan: i discussed it in one workshop lately. for me i see how easy it is to be in 'contemplative' mode when alone, felling peaceful and harmonious,
    Fefonz Quan: and contemplating 'beign' and other favorite stuff :)
    Fefonz Quan: but the when i go to a place with people and hve to talk to them and interact, it chnages a lot of things
    Fefonz Quan: being* changes*
    Mickorod Renard: yes, it is a deep subject I feel, I spent quite a time in solitude,,in a communitive way,,it can change you dramatically
    Fefonz Quan: i didn't mean that the solitude change me, i mean that it is harder to be 'connected' when interacting
    Fefonz Quan: and also, other peoples mood can also effect mine
    sophia Placebo: contamplate in poeple faces
    Mickorod Renard: mmmmm? not sure I am completely understanding
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is hard to stay centred and aware and still engage fully with others around you
    Fefonz Quan: like the interaction brings so much noise, sensual and emotional to the mind
    Fefonz Quan: ye Scath
    Mickorod Renard: I found I became more individual,,and as such maybe less connected
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps I mean the same thing
    aurel Miles: actually
    Mickorod Renard: but usually that ,,noise,,carries you along like a wave,,and the solitude makes u more in the habit of being less carried along in the

    momentum of it all
    aurel Miles: i find i need a certain amount of solitude to be able to stay level when i communicate with others
    aurel Miles: i spend a lot of time alone because i make my living as a writer
    aurel Miles: and i find the office just screws me up
    aurel Miles: too many layers
    aurel Miles: too much stuff going on
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I can relate to that Aurel
    aurel Miles: i find it hard to keep communication clear if i cannot spend time alone between times with others
    Fefonz Quan: I found that working from home is really not for me.
    aurel Miles: who i am in relation to people at the office is not always in synch with who i am at my core and i tend to forget that when i am around them to much
    aurel Miles: or i did
    aurel Miles: i have left there now
    Mickorod Renard: I am now saturated with communication due to my work,,at a college,,but my time in solitude has given me a side of detachment that can operate alongside the interaction
    aurel Miles: that makes sense to me
    Fefonz Quan: infact, concerning what i feel, comunicatin with people on 'shallow' level (work mostly) is easier
    aurel Miles: hmmm
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,the routine suits me better now, since the solitude period,,than it ever did before
    Mickorod Renard: I over indulged in thinking too much
    Mickorod Renard: balance comes to mind again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I sure know what you mean by that, I overfill myself and thats when I seek others
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,i think a balance is the best way for many
    aurel Miles: i agree
    aurel Miles: and on that note
    Fefonz Quan: though each one has a different piont of balance
    aurel Miles: i need to get away from my desk
    aurel Miles: thank you everyone
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: yes, we are all diferent Fef, yet strangely we are all similar too
    Mickorod Renard: is Maxines dream session on now?
    sophia Placebo: i guess
    Fefonz Quan: yes it is, i think i'll go there.
    Fefonz Quan: and Hi Alone, we were just discussing you :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was wondering whether to give it a go


    Alone Afterthought: oh?
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Fefonz Quan: (litelally saying)
    Fefonz Quan: literally*
    Alone Afterthought: I dont understand
    Mickorod Renard: Fef is tormenting you
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Fefonz Quan: no, not at all, just a little silly word game, nothing personal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the concept of alone vs others, Alone
    Alone Afterthought: word games are fun
    Scathach Rhiadra: we were talking about solitude
    Fefonz Quan: no pun intended
    Alone Afterthought waves

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