2009.05.15 07:00 - Space for Plan B

 The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

sophia Placebo: hi eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :))
Eliza Madrigal: Was off page... just checked back to see you sitting here :)
Eliza Madrigal: Stylish coat
sophia Placebo: how are you ?:)
sophia Placebo: thanks
Eliza Madrigal: Well, you?
sophia Placebo: good , trying to put a b plan for my life
Eliza Madrigal: oh wow... how's that going?
sophia Placebo: i dont know , i mean im not sure if i have an a plan for im just waiting for the interviwe results
Eliza Madrigal: Interview, as in a job position?
sophia Placebo: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Might it be both? Waiting for the results yet leaving open other possibilities?
Eliza Madrigal: Brainstorming b's and c's and.... :)
Eliza Madrigal: (think I'll grab the log for Quen)
Eliza Madrigal: I ask that way because I'm in a similar position... find it helpful to think that way :)
sophia Placebo: i guess :) its just needs alot of efforts , i was thinking of free lancing very early but now im not sure of that , needs alot of planning
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... maybe less pressure to have someone else structure the position, however it never hurts to sketch out a 'plan'
sophia Placebo: nods
Eliza Madrigal: and maybe that will take on energy to it?
sophia Placebo: the a plan is a free course to b plan
sophia Placebo: that what i thought
Eliza Madrigal: Hm.. go on?
sophia Placebo: if i cant get a plan - the pre prepared life plan by someone i will need to go to b plan which is self prepared
Eliza Madrigal: mhm...yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: In thinking about the world economy and such... there are so many people in this 'transition' place right now
sophia Placebo: if i get A plan during that time i will stil planning the b plan and benifiting from A plan mistakes
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey
sophia Placebo: i guess eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Good way to look at that sophia
Eliza Madrigal: It is interesting... like a multi-layered reframing of values ways/means :)
sophia Placebo: hi yakuzza
Eliza Madrigal: Hey yakuzza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, but pls go on
Eliza Madrigal: we were talking about plans and transitions, yakuzza :)
sophia Placebo: just talking about life plans at cross roads
Eliza Madrigal: May I share a dream I had two nights ago ... along these lines....?
sophia Placebo: sure :)
Eliza Madrigal: I was a hermit crab....
sophia Placebo: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I was crawling around on the floor beneath the corner of my bed... shell broken in large pieces all around me...
Eliza Madrigal: the shell pieces were obstacles I couldn't see around...
Eliza Madrigal: no new shell in sight.
Eliza Madrigal: Then I was myself...standing...looking down at the crab...
Eliza Madrigal: which touched my toe... and was sticky. hehhe
Eliza Madrigal: I liked the dream... seemed a funny way at looking at what is actually a very strange and messy time
sophia Placebo: very strange indeed ,and funny too
Eliza Madrigal: And I thought about the perspective aspect of it... that obstacles can seem so huge....
Eliza Madrigal: Until maybe I just pick up the little sticky crab and go find a new shell :)
Eliza Madrigal: (but do it quicky before she dries up and dies-hahahhaha)
Eliza Madrigal: Transitions are a time of great possibility... maybe sophia you will find yourself capable of doign things you never imagined :)
sophia Placebo: what thought brought to you by this dream ? later after you wake up and during sleep?
sophia Placebo: :) yeah , i couldnt imagine that i can do ialot of things
Eliza Madrigal: It was one of many dreams I had one night, and is my way of working out the puzzles of my life.... have so many choices...like a totally blank page that can seem overwhelming...so much growth in 'a flash' ...all I can really say about it. :) Sometimes it helps to sit 'next to' someone going working on a similar puzzle though, doesn't it?
sophia Placebo: it hepls much :)
Eliza Madrigal: makes me think of the way children learn.. which makes me think about our conversation yesterday yakuzza...early development psychology and such.
sophia Placebo: the broken shell reminds me of a vision sort of thing or day dream i dont know , but that day i felt like my brain is a glass plate or something and was thrown over the floor with force , each peice of me went somewhere and i couldnt recollect them all
Eliza Madrigal nods... fragments... and sharp ones at that!
Eliza Madrigal: when you say 'wtih force' it seems intense.. sudden
sophia Placebo: it was , the awarness of the confusion state i was in was sudden
Eliza Madrigal: Was this recently, or something a while ago that you've been addressing?
sophia Placebo: a few years ago , maybe 5 years ago but i remmber it as if it was recent
Eliza Madrigal: was stark and relevant
Eliza Madrigal: and still is I suppose... quite a picture
sophia Placebo: nods
Eliza Madrigal: Change can shake our worlds... show us our vulnerabilities
Eliza Madrigal: reframe everything
sophia Placebo: true
Eliza Madrigal: But if we can allow that... maybe seems small in comparsion with the 'wake up' :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: or when nothing seems to change, it can trigger a search for change
Eliza Madrigal: Good point Yakuzza....
Eliza Madrigal: !
sophia Placebo: agrees
Eliza Madrigal: one moment... brb... please go on
Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a problem for example that i try to change my thinking about how to redesign my envrionment
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i feel that i need other people, listen to converstations and discussions about the topics i am interested in
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i feel often even unable to ask questions until they are answered
sophia Placebo: that is intersting :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i am questioning myself how much aren´t we capable to talk about just because we know how to behave tacidly
sophia Placebo: but whats wrong with your way of thinking that makes you want to change it ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but we just don´t speak about things in our real life
Yakuzza Lethecus: For example i believe i mentioned that to eliza already yesterday that i for example always hated english and then i somehow had implicit contact with the english language through tv shows and later onlinegaming with americans.
Yakuzza Lethecus: it didn´t improve my grammar so much but i´ve lost my negative emotions
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i have a more naturally contact and i am not thinking ,,i want to speak that damn lang", its just that i speak or write even with my grammar issues
Yakuzza Lethecus: so that something ,,just changed" what i totally believed is something which isn´t something for me since and believed that must be innert that i can´t learn a 2nd language properly
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i try to get in contact with stuff that i believe is retarding me in some way
Yakuzza Lethecus: but how to get positive contact when i don´t have the money or time to make explicit courses
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes just putting yourself 'out there' can allow profound shifts.
sophia Placebo: :) it is amazing how info are packed in our memory with emotions and other things we usually dont express though we can recall when we reason our acts
Eliza Madrigal nods... so true sophia
Yakuzza Lethecus: i even think on how much we ,,learn learning disability´s" through bad schooling and negative pressue
Yakuzza Lethecus: thats one issue why i hang around on kira by the way :)
sophia Placebo: more easy way is to put with the info pack in your memory a space for a posibllity of being wrong
Eliza Madrigal: our schooling practices and hierarchies can hinder... not flexible enough.
Eliza Madrigal: that's an excellent point sophia... leaving that space open
Eliza Madrigal: so much light can flood through that space :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hopefully
Eliza Madrigal: have definitely experienced this... a small light....
sophia Placebo: true , love whome you love but leave a space that would allow you to not being taken aback when the relationship turn to 180 degrees
sophia Placebo: and hate whome you hate but leave a space for change
Eliza Madrigal: :) You go straight to the heart sophia
sophia Placebo: one dont know the past or the future or worst he dont know all whats happening in the present
sophia Placebo: :) yeah , iguess it is an old saying i memorize since my teens , didnt understand it back then though
Eliza Madrigal: we understand a little according to our capacities and experiences at the time...
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya!
Eliza Madrigal: like hearing about the 'still small voice' as a child :)
sophia Placebo: bye yak
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Yakuzza
Eliza Madrigal: I thought my cold was gone... but feel a headache... think I should go lay down for a while
Eliza Madrigal: It has been lovely chatting with you as always. :)
sophia Placebo: bye eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
sophia Placebo: hope you get well soon