2009.05.17 07:00 - Bad Hair, Appreciating and Loving

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    I was joined at the pavilion by Eliza, Wol, Stevenaia and Sophia for a a followup discussion to the Saturday 13:00 session. It was a warm discussion and I felt we were particularly close to discussing the same experiences. I am limiting comments because our ideas seem so interwoven to me. The conversation just flowed along, interrupted only by the 90 seccond silences.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: You have your long hair back :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes. I like the short hair... but not when I go dancing...
    Adams Rubble: Looks nice :)
    Eliza Madrigal: went dancing a few days ago... :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes, fun to watch the hair :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Was fun... bollywood style. hehe Yes... great clothes too... then I changed to this, went looking for a jazz place...
    Eliza Madrigal: Didn't find much that was busy :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
    Wol Euler: hello adams, eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol :)
    Adams Rubble: Good to see you Wol :)
    Wol Euler: likewise :)
    Wol Euler: (don't let me interrupt, I'm sorry I was late)
    Adams Rubble: No interruption, we haven't really started yet
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I am rather distracted this morning
    Wol Euler: no worries
    Eliza Madrigal: I've had a strange night sleep.. was up every few hrs...
    Adams Rubble: ohhhhh
    Wol Euler: bad dreams?
    Eliza Madrigal: and have had all sorts of energy glitches lately... so am trying to be more 'quiet'..
    Eliza Madrigal: No bad dreams... great dreams.... just lots of interesting energy....
    Eliza Madrigal: am going to get more serious about yoga I think :)
    I bring up Pema's remarks Saturday. Pema had emailed them to the group so we had all read them
    Adams Rubble: Pema had some intersting things to say about his new practice last night
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: I read that this morning Adams... great conversation
    stevenaia Michinaga: morning (for me)
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Morning Steven :)
    Adams Rubble: When he takes appreciation lightly it helps him ssee from the heart
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Steve :)
    Adams Rubble: I've been thinking about that since
    Adams Rubble: but just him saying it made me feel more open
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler smiles
    Adams Rubble: It seems a long route to go to get to Love
    Eliza Madrigal: a long route?
    Wol Euler: well, as long as you get there in the end ...
    Adams Rubble: Yes appreciating appearance and thne taking it lightly
    stevenaia Michinaga: always better to travel closer to love than not knowing where you are going
    Adams Rubble: Of course we understand it now but it takes getting used to
    Adams Rubble: yess Steve
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    I notice Steve's and Eliza's name tags are similar but different and then Wol's is very dofferent
    Adams Rubble notices we have a Listener and a Listening today :)
    Adams Rubble: and a Transgressor!!!
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Wol Euler: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I always find it interesting that Pema is able to lay out a path to a desination
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
    Wol Euler: hello sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi wol
    Eliza Madrigal is listening deeper as a way of appreciation :)
    Wol Euler: sure, we can appreciate with all senses
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia (I was too quick before:) )
    Wol Euler: right now I am appreciating some chocolate-and-hazelnut cookies with my tea
    sophia Placebo: hi adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: MMM, very nice
    Wol Euler: they are :)
    sophia Placebo: hi eliza and steven
    Adams Rubble: Yes, quite nice :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello sophia.... smiles
    Wol Euler: I was always annoyed by things that call themselves "Experiences", as at fairs or shows
    Wol Euler: because they almost always were only for the eyes. The word meant "sit still and look at me from one fixed position"
    Wol Euler: there usually wasn't any walking or touching or - gods forbid - smelling involved
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, it seems very pushy
    Wol Euler: and very limited. Such a flat and shallow appreciation of the world!
    Adams Rubble: Last night Pema said that most of we call "experience" is appearance
    Wol Euler: Somebody once said "the problem with the Internet is that there is no dirt under its fingernails"
    Wol Euler: and that applies to these "experiences" too
    Adams Rubble: somebodt remarked to me that Second Life is sanitized
    Eliza Madrigal would agree with that sometimes... as wonderful as SL is, there are times when I want to wake up with bad hair...heheh
    Wol Euler: yeh
    Adams Rubble: You probably could buy bad hair :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a little of a perpetual childhood at times...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hahah Adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I'm sure
    Adams Rubble: yes, Eliza about the childhood
    Wol Euler: mmhmm - to both
    Adams Rubble: we are playing
    Adams Rubble: but we can learn from that too
    Wol Euler: sure, in some ways it's just an aesthetic objection
    Eliza Madrigal nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: And some "real lives" can feel the same
    Adams Rubble: Bad hair is a distraction or can be
    Wol Euler: an appearance, then
    Adams Rubble: yes, I was thinking that too Wol :)
    Wol Euler: let's back up a step. I cut you off, Adams. You#d said [7:19] Adams Rubble: Last night Pema said that most of we call "experience" is appearance
    Adams Rubble: I wasn;t going to add to thhat...just through it out there
    Adams Rubble: threw
    Eliza Madrigal: we can play with those appearances...draw them out...
    Eliza Madrigal: notice the sound of the biting into the cookie :)
    Adams Rubble: But thinking back to the apparance of something like bad hair....
    Wol Euler: :)
    Adams Rubble: It can give us negative energy that can be with us all day
    Wol Euler: yes, our disappointed expectations of ourselves
    sophia Placebo: of our hair
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, there seems to be something quite important though... about simple acts like brushing hair every day and seeing that it won't 'behave' :)
    sophia Placebo: and our hair styling skills
    stevenaia Michinaga: see, I am happy to ahve hair in SL
    Wol Euler: and our worry of how the world may judge us for it
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe, Steve :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: something I lack in RL
    Wol Euler: men worry far too much about their hair :)
    Wol Euler: where would Sean Connery be if he had hair?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes Wol... that is one place I think SL is so wonderful too... stretching boundaries...testing what we 'think' the world thinks
    Wol Euler: Bruce Willis was never sexier than after he went bald
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    sophia Placebo: yep , i used to do one style of my hair - curly one - in university it was a wow but at home it was like - go and comb your hair - cuz it was almost as its natural behavoir
    Wol Euler nods to Eliza, and to Sophia
    Adams Rubble: we rememebr criticisms like that Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal was just thinking about recent conversations about change in the context of appreciating appearances
    Eliza Madrigal: it seems that if you can deeply appreciate those moments as they are there...
    sophia Placebo: nay, it is my hair , i cant pull it all off my skull , with time they used to it or used to your style as they used to mark some styles as beautifull and others as ugly , but any how one needs to have some skills to manage a good style from a bad hair nature :)
    Adams Rubble: People apply values to certain appearances
    Adams Rubble: If we just appreciate them for what they are
    Adams Rubble: there are no values
    Wol Euler nods
    sophia Placebo: agrees
    stevenaia Michinaga: there can be appriciation for jsut about anything, just a matter of how you come to see it
    Adams Rubble: yes Steve..and best if it is everything :)
    Adams Rubble: That is where SL has helped me tremndously
    Wol Euler smiles
    Adams Rubble: this sanitized envorinment :)
    Adams Rubble: seeing past all my own attachment to my own eqiuivalents of bad hair
    stevenaia Michinaga: i must go.. enjoy your day
    Adams Rubble: bye Steve, you too :)
    Wol Euler: bye steve, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye
    Adams Rubble: Still working on seeing them all yet
    Eliza Madrigal: The intention seems the thing
    Eliza Madrigal: If we have the intention, then we begin to see what is all around us... and we notice when we aren't seeing
    Eliza Madrigal: and ask "Hm"
    Wol Euler nods
    Adams Rubble: focus away from our "selves"
    Eliza Madrigal nods.. yes... see ourselves as just one part of many things
    Adams Rubble: as part of you
    Adams Rubble: and you
    Adams Rubble: and you
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I get caught up in the conceptual aspect of this discussion sometimes... too much...
    Eliza Madrigal: and the "seeing with the heart" aspect of things seems so vital
    Eliza Madrigal: to not getting trapped in ideas
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: We help each other :)
    Wol Euler nods again. That has been a problem for me too.
    Adams Rubble: I have felt such a close connection to everything everyone of you has said this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes we do Adams! It is often astounding how someone else's seemingly unrelated observations can shed new light and lightness
    Wol Euler: we do help each other, Adams, it is very much mutual :)
    Adams Rubble: We need to be open to hear each other
    Adams Rubble: open our hearts
    Adams Rubble: I feel like a child learning something new
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Wol Euler grins
    Eliza Madrigal smiles big
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Children don't seem to get caught up in "Why am I thinking this" so much... they often are where they are...
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it the 'why' we try to drop when appreciating?
    Eliza Madrigal: or 'what do I DO with this?'
    Adams Rubble: yes Eliza
    Adams Rubble: just apprfeciate the thinking :)
    Adams Rubble: or whatever the apppearance is
    Eliza Madrigal smiles. I enjoy playing in the sandbox with you all :)
    Wol Euler grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (no ringworm in SL either... one good thing about 'sanitary') hahah
    sophia Placebo: eliza i guess they do think - why im thinking this but in their own way , may be not that apparent as we do ask , as hmm where is mama ? in bathromm , what is she doing ? having bath , cuz she is smelly right? i guess this sort of thinking resemble our asking why im thinking this
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I always thought mama was trying to find some peace and quiet :)
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh, mine certainly was.
    Wol Euler: she made a rule, when she was on the sofa with her legs tucked up off the floor, she was "on her island" and we couldn't touch her
    Eliza Madrigal: That's smart
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: which was fine, she didn't abuse it and we played along
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like that...we all need an island... every fifteen minutes is good :)
    Adams Rubble: 9 seconds?
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: yeah....about that .. heh
    sophia Placebo: thats nice way to play with children and having peace for a while too :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: kids accept rules as long as they are fair and consistently imposed
    Adams Rubble: with Love
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, parents modeling taking moments seems quite crucial
    Wol Euler: huh, right. Says a lot about my childhood that I just _assume_ that, Adams
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal is thinking of taking a kids' yoga training course
    Eliza Madrigal: Wol... that's lovely... that the love undercurrent is a 'given'
    Wol Euler nods and smiles. It wasn't until I entered university that I realized that it isn't like that in all families.
    Wol Euler: little children assume that what they see is "normal" and "right"
    Eliza Madrigal nods.... most do yes
    Wol Euler: well, early on at least; later they start to figure out things out, see differences
    sophia Placebo: some families still amuze me untill today
    Eliza Madrigal: yes sophia?
    sophia Placebo: oh that was re wol , that then they see diffrences
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes, when you get older and begin comparing
    sophia Placebo: i guess im still discovering many forms of diffrences untill today
    Wol Euler ndos
    Wol Euler: *nods
    Eliza Madrigal: My great grandmother believed in 'invisibleness'...
    Eliza Madrigal: meaning, she worked very hard... but felt it should never show
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Wol Euler: ah!
    Adams Rubble: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: She was the loveliest person I've ever known.... yet, I wish there were more pictures of her :)
    Eliza Madrigal: She felt the invisible was the sign of excellence
    sophia Placebo: generouse lady
    Adams Rubble nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, she was invisible... but as it turns out, her love was not ultimately... showed up everywhere long after she died :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Wol's island made me think of her :) Thanks.
    Wol Euler: ah :) my pleasure
    sophia Placebo: i have to leave , see you all later , sorry if i jumped in the mid of convo :)
    Adams Rubble: bye Sophia ?
    Adams Rubble: yes bye
    sophia Placebo: bye adams:)
    Eliza Madrigal: sophia, good to see you :) Bye for now
    Wol Euler: bye adams, take care.
    Adams Rubble: always good to see you :)
    Wol Euler: and bye sophie, enjoy your sunday
    Adams Rubble not leaving yet
    Wol Euler: oh, duh, misread that! sorry
    Adams Rubble thinking we finished with ther log though :)
    Wol Euler: probably :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: unless someone else has something they want to put on record :)
    Wol Euler: life is good.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Life is grand
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: That is the end. Thank you all for reading :)

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