2009.05.17 07:00 - Bad Hair, Appreciating and Loving

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

I was joined at the pavilion by Eliza, Wol, Stevenaia and Sophia for a a followup discussion to the Saturday 13:00 session. It was a warm discussion and I felt we were particularly close to discussing the same experiences. I am limiting comments because our ideas seem so interwoven to me. The conversation just flowed along, interrupted only by the 90 seccond silences.

Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Adams Rubble: You have your long hair back :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes. I like the short hair... but not when I go dancing...
Adams Rubble: Looks nice :)
Eliza Madrigal: went dancing a few days ago... :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Yes, fun to watch the hair :)
Eliza Madrigal: Was fun... bollywood style. hehe Yes... great clothes too... then I changed to this, went looking for a jazz place...
Eliza Madrigal: Didn't find much that was busy :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
Wol Euler: hello adams, eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol :)
Adams Rubble: Good to see you Wol :)
Wol Euler: likewise :)
Wol Euler: (don't let me interrupt, I'm sorry I was late)
Adams Rubble: No interruption, we haven't really started yet
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I am rather distracted this morning
Wol Euler: no worries
Eliza Madrigal: I've had a strange night sleep.. was up every few hrs...
Adams Rubble: ohhhhh
Wol Euler: bad dreams?
Eliza Madrigal: and have had all sorts of energy glitches lately... so am trying to be more 'quiet'..
Eliza Madrigal: No bad dreams... great dreams.... just lots of interesting energy....
Eliza Madrigal: am going to get more serious about yoga I think :)

I bring up Pema's remarks Saturday. Pema had emailed them to the group so we had all read them

Adams Rubble: Pema had some intersting things to say about his new practice last night
Wol Euler: ah!
Eliza Madrigal: I read that this morning Adams... great conversation
stevenaia Michinaga: morning (for me)
Wol Euler: hello steve
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Steven :)
Adams Rubble: When he takes appreciation lightly it helps him ssee from the heart
Adams Rubble: Good morning Steve :)
Adams Rubble: I've been thinking about that since
Adams Rubble: but just him saying it made me feel more open
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles
Adams Rubble: It seems a long route to go to get to Love
Eliza Madrigal: a long route?
Wol Euler: well, as long as you get there in the end ...
Adams Rubble: Yes appreciating appearance and thne taking it lightly
stevenaia Michinaga: always better to travel closer to love than not knowing where you are going
Adams Rubble: Of course we understand it now but it takes getting used to
Adams Rubble: yess Steve
Eliza Madrigal nods

I notice Steve's and Eliza's name tags are similar but different and then Wol's is very dofferent

Adams Rubble notices we have a Listener and a Listening today :)
Adams Rubble: and a Transgressor!!!
Adams Rubble: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Wol Euler: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I always find it interesting that Pema is able to lay out a path to a desination
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
Wol Euler: hello sophia
sophia Placebo: hi wol
Eliza Madrigal is listening deeper as a way of appreciation :)
Wol Euler: sure, we can appreciate with all senses
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia (I was too quick before:) )
Wol Euler: right now I am appreciating some chocolate-and-hazelnut cookies with my tea
sophia Placebo: hi adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: MMM, very nice
Wol Euler: they are :)
sophia Placebo: hi eliza and steven
Adams Rubble: Yes, quite nice :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello sophia.... smiles
Wol Euler: I was always annoyed by things that call themselves "Experiences", as at fairs or shows
Wol Euler: because they almost always were only for the eyes. The word meant "sit still and look at me from one fixed position"
Wol Euler: there usually wasn't any walking or touching or - gods forbid - smelling involved
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, it seems very pushy
Wol Euler: and very limited. Such a flat and shallow appreciation of the world!
Adams Rubble: Last night Pema said that most of we call "experience" is appearance
Wol Euler: Somebody once said "the problem with the Internet is that there is no dirt under its fingernails"
Wol Euler: and that applies to these "experiences" too
Adams Rubble: somebodt remarked to me that Second Life is sanitized
Eliza Madrigal would agree with that sometimes... as wonderful as SL is, there are times when I want to wake up with bad hair...heheh
Wol Euler: yeh
Adams Rubble: You probably could buy bad hair :)
Eliza Madrigal: It is a little of a perpetual childhood at times...
Eliza Madrigal: Hahah Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes I'm sure
Adams Rubble: yes, Eliza about the childhood
Wol Euler: mmhmm - to both
Adams Rubble: we are playing
Adams Rubble: but we can learn from that too
Wol Euler: sure, in some ways it's just an aesthetic objection
Eliza Madrigal nods.
Eliza Madrigal: And some "real lives" can feel the same
Adams Rubble: Bad hair is a distraction or can be
Wol Euler: an appearance, then
Adams Rubble: yes, I was thinking that too Wol :)
Wol Euler: let's back up a step. I cut you off, Adams. You#d said [7:19] Adams Rubble: Last night Pema said that most of we call "experience" is appearance
Adams Rubble: I wasn;t going to add to thhat...just through it out there
Adams Rubble: threw
Eliza Madrigal: we can play with those appearances...draw them out...
Eliza Madrigal: notice the sound of the biting into the cookie :)
Adams Rubble: But thinking back to the apparance of something like bad hair....
Wol Euler: :)
Adams Rubble: It can give us negative energy that can be with us all day
Wol Euler: yes, our disappointed expectations of ourselves
sophia Placebo: of our hair
Eliza Madrigal: yes, there seems to be something quite important though... about simple acts like brushing hair every day and seeing that it won't 'behave' :)
sophia Placebo: and our hair styling skills
stevenaia Michinaga: see, I am happy to ahve hair in SL
Wol Euler: and our worry of how the world may judge us for it
Adams Rubble: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe, Steve :)
Wol Euler: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: something I lack in RL
Wol Euler: men worry far too much about their hair :)
Wol Euler: where would Sean Connery be if he had hair?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes Wol... that is one place I think SL is so wonderful too... stretching boundaries...testing what we 'think' the world thinks
Wol Euler: Bruce Willis was never sexier than after he went bald
stevenaia Michinaga: grins
Adams Rubble: :)
sophia Placebo: yep , i used to do one style of my hair - curly one - in university it was a wow but at home it was like - go and comb your hair - cuz it was almost as its natural behavoir
Wol Euler nods to Eliza, and to Sophia
Adams Rubble: we rememebr criticisms like that Sophia
Eliza Madrigal was just thinking about recent conversations about change in the context of appreciating appearances
Eliza Madrigal: it seems that if you can deeply appreciate those moments as they are there...
sophia Placebo: nay, it is my hair , i cant pull it all off my skull , with time they used to it or used to your style as they used to mark some styles as beautifull and others as ugly , but any how one needs to have some skills to manage a good style from a bad hair nature :)
Adams Rubble: People apply values to certain appearances
Adams Rubble: If we just appreciate them for what they are
Adams Rubble: there are no values
Wol Euler nods
sophia Placebo: agrees
stevenaia Michinaga: there can be appriciation for jsut about anything, just a matter of how you come to see it
Adams Rubble: yes Steve..and best if it is everything :)
Adams Rubble: That is where SL has helped me tremndously
Wol Euler smiles
Adams Rubble: this sanitized envorinment :)
Adams Rubble: seeing past all my own attachment to my own eqiuivalents of bad hair
stevenaia Michinaga: i must go.. enjoy your day
Adams Rubble: bye Steve, you too :)
Wol Euler: bye steve, take care
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now steven
stevenaia Michinaga: bye
Adams Rubble: Still working on seeing them all yet
Eliza Madrigal: The intention seems the thing
Eliza Madrigal: If we have the intention, then we begin to see what is all around us... and we notice when we aren't seeing
Eliza Madrigal: and ask "Hm"
Wol Euler nods
Adams Rubble: focus away from our "selves"
Eliza Madrigal nods.. yes... see ourselves as just one part of many things
Adams Rubble: as part of you
Adams Rubble: and you
Adams Rubble: and you
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: I get caught up in the conceptual aspect of this discussion sometimes... too much...
Eliza Madrigal: and the "seeing with the heart" aspect of things seems so vital
Eliza Madrigal: to not getting trapped in ideas
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: We help each other :)
Wol Euler nods again. That has been a problem for me too.
Adams Rubble: I have felt such a close connection to everything everyone of you has said this morning
Eliza Madrigal: Yes we do Adams! It is often astounding how someone else's seemingly unrelated observations can shed new light and lightness
Wol Euler: we do help each other, Adams, it is very much mutual :)
Adams Rubble: We need to be open to hear each other
Adams Rubble: open our hearts
Adams Rubble: I feel like a child learning something new
Adams Rubble: hehe
Wol Euler grins
Eliza Madrigal smiles big
sophia Placebo: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Children don't seem to get caught up in "Why am I thinking this" so much... they often are where they are...
Eliza Madrigal: Is it the 'why' we try to drop when appreciating?
Eliza Madrigal: or 'what do I DO with this?'
Adams Rubble: yes Eliza
Adams Rubble: just apprfeciate the thinking :)
Adams Rubble: or whatever the apppearance is
Eliza Madrigal smiles. I enjoy playing in the sandbox with you all :)
Wol Euler grins
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: (no ringworm in SL either... one good thing about 'sanitary') hahah
sophia Placebo: eliza i guess they do think - why im thinking this but in their own way , may be not that apparent as we do ask , as hmm where is mama ? in bathromm , what is she doing ? having bath , cuz she is smelly right? i guess this sort of thinking resemble our asking why im thinking this
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I always thought mama was trying to find some peace and quiet :)
sophia Placebo: :)
Wol Euler: heheheheheh, mine certainly was.
Wol Euler: she made a rule, when she was on the sofa with her legs tucked up off the floor, she was "on her island" and we couldn't touch her
Eliza Madrigal: That's smart
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: which was fine, she didn't abuse it and we played along
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I like that...we all need an island... every fifteen minutes is good :)
Adams Rubble: 9 seconds?
Adams Rubble: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: yeah....about that .. heh
sophia Placebo: thats nice way to play with children and having peace for a while too :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: kids accept rules as long as they are fair and consistently imposed
Adams Rubble: with Love
Eliza Madrigal: yes, parents modeling taking moments seems quite crucial
Wol Euler: huh, right. Says a lot about my childhood that I just _assume_ that, Adams
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal is thinking of taking a kids' yoga training course
Eliza Madrigal: Wol... that's lovely... that the love undercurrent is a 'given'
Wol Euler nods and smiles. It wasn't until I entered university that I realized that it isn't like that in all families.
Wol Euler: little children assume that what they see is "normal" and "right"
Eliza Madrigal nods.... most do yes
Wol Euler: well, early on at least; later they start to figure out things out, see differences
sophia Placebo: some families still amuze me untill today
Eliza Madrigal: yes sophia?
sophia Placebo: oh that was re wol , that then they see diffrences
Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes, when you get older and begin comparing
sophia Placebo: i guess im still discovering many forms of diffrences untill today
Wol Euler ndos
Wol Euler: *nods
Eliza Madrigal: My great grandmother believed in 'invisibleness'...
Eliza Madrigal: meaning, she worked very hard... but felt it should never show
Wol Euler: mmm?
Wol Euler: ah!
Adams Rubble: :(
Eliza Madrigal: She was the loveliest person I've ever known.... yet, I wish there were more pictures of her :)
Eliza Madrigal: She felt the invisible was the sign of excellence
sophia Placebo: generouse lady
Adams Rubble nods
Eliza Madrigal: yes, she was invisible... but as it turns out, her love was not ultimately... showed up everywhere long after she died :)
Eliza Madrigal: Wol's island made me think of her :) Thanks.
Wol Euler: ah :) my pleasure
sophia Placebo: i have to leave , see you all later , sorry if i jumped in the mid of convo :)
Adams Rubble: bye Sophia ?
Adams Rubble: yes bye
sophia Placebo: bye adams:)
Eliza Madrigal: sophia, good to see you :) Bye for now
Wol Euler: bye adams, take care.
Adams Rubble: always good to see you :)
Wol Euler: and bye sophie, enjoy your sunday
Adams Rubble not leaving yet
Wol Euler: oh, duh, misread that! sorry
Adams Rubble thinking we finished with ther log though :)
Wol Euler: probably :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: unless someone else has something they want to put on record :)
Wol Euler: life is good.
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Life is grand
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: That is the end. Thank you all for reading :)