2009.06.05 19:00 - Appreciate Sense Perceptions of Stuff Seeming to Be Out There

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Dakini Rhode. The comments are by Dakini.

    Pila, Stevenaia, Eos, Resting, kenji, and I discuss Appreciating the Presence of Appearance as a Presentation of Being and a few more acronyms are invented...

      stevenaia Michinaga: friends were going to do hooping by the river tonight,
      but moved to indoors w/ mirrored "moon" ball instead
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: due to the rain
      Pila Mulligan: hooping is ____?
      Dakini Rhode: hula hooping Steve?
      stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but I think it;s goten all formalized now
      Dakini Rhode: onooooo
      Pila Mulligan: ahh, NCAA standards?
      Dakini Rhode: how can you formalize a thing like that?
      stevenaia Michinaga: more stringent
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Pila Mulligan: really :)
      Pila Mulligan: stringent shimmy
      stevenaia Michinaga: well, there hooping , jumping through hoops hooping on
      elbows, hooping for hours
      Pila Mulligan: it sounds pretty serious
      Dakini Rhode: sounds fun... but i have to ask something
      Dakini Rhode: what is a moon ball?
      stevenaia Michinaga: an indoor replacement for aq full moon....mirrored disco
      Pila Mulligan remembers a Pink Floyd concert in 1971
      Dakini Rhode: that's what i had pictured :)
      Dakini Rhode: i think i have one in my inv. here
      stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaWPTCzhM4
      stevenaia Michinaga: hooping
      Pila Mulligan: wow, cool, Steve -- thanks
      Pila Mulligan: I couldn't help but think: Hip-Hoop
      Dakini Rhode: cool
      stevenaia Michinaga: you will find hoopers in many yoga studios
      Pila Mulligan: I liked the break hooping :)

     cosmic Ghost makes a brief appearance

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      Dakini Rhode: hello cosmic
      Pila Mulligan: hi cos
      cosmic Ghost: hi
      Pila Mulligan: nice hoops
      Dakini Rhode: wonderful av :)
      cosmic Ghost: thanks
      Dakini Rhode: admiring all the colors
      cosmic Ghost: soory must go
      stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm
      Pila Mulligan: bye

    a bit of googling ensues

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      Pila Mulligan: something about her av reminded me of the movie The Fifth
      Dakini Rhode: very glowy
      stevenaia Michinaga: my favorite movie
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: she did seem like the singer
      Pila Mulligan: yes, i was trying to rememebrt the singer's name
      Pila Mulligan: Diva ...?
      Dakini Rhode: this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MR6D7tL38U
      Pila Mulligan: yes, Dakini -- thanks
      Pila Mulligan: cosmic's protrusions were more colorful, however
      Pila Mulligan: Diva Plavalaguna :)
      Dakini Rhode: getting lost in youtube here :)
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: you are quicker on google than I am Pila
      Pila Mulligan: she has a capitvating voice, for sure
      Dakini Rhode: hauntingly beautiful
      Dakini Rhode: so.
      Pila Mulligan: ... Leeloo and 'badaboom' seem to have become cultural icons
      Dakini Rhode: ono don't make me google again
      Dakini Rhode: please
      Dakini Rhode: :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: :)
      Pila Mulligan: ... fastest Google in the West, Steve :)

    We're joined by Resting...

      Pila Mulligan: hi Resting
      stevenaia Michinaga: hello Resting
      Dakini Rhode: hi Resting :)
      Resting Thor: hi guys!
      Pila Mulligan: how are you?
      Resting Thor: relaxing
      Pila Mulligan: ... we were just reminiscing on the movie The Fifth Element
      Resting Thor: not space but love :)
      Pila Mulligan: ... Leeloo and 'badaboom' :)
      Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
      Dakini Rhode: hello Eos
      Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
      Pila Mulligan: how are you, Eos?
      Eos Amaterasu: Pretty good, busy life all around, more first than second
      Pila Mulligan: earlier Steve noted the full moon is tomorrow -- I alway notice
      a kind of mood shift with the full moon
      Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes, I noticed it thru the clouds
      Eos Amaterasu: Hoping to catch it in our little pool
      Pila Mulligan: brighter nights
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Dakini Rhode: :)

    Eos gets us on topic...

      Eos Amaterasu: Has a topic emerged for discussion?
      Pila Mulligan: not yet -- but here's a factiod: "This Saturday night, Jan.
      10th, another perigee Moon is coming. It's the biggest full Moon of 2009,
      almost identical to the one that impressed onlookers in Dec. 2008"
      Dakini Rhode: actually, not yet... i think it may be the moon
      Pila Mulligan: oops, misread -- I thought it was June
      Pila Mulligan: my bad
      Pila Mulligan: old eyes :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: Do you have a topic Eos?
      Eos Amaterasu: Not really
      stevenaia Michinaga: :)
      Dakini Rhode: has there been a theme to playasbeing of late?
      Pila Mulligan: I think there are presently a few themes


      Eos Amaterasu: Appreciate the presence of appearance.....


      Pila Mulligan: tomorrow Sophia and Pema do Islamic ideas


    Eos Amaterasu: and appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation of 


      Pila Mulligan: oh, again, misttok the question .. :)
      Dakini Rhode: what's the difference?
      Eos Amaterasu: what's the mistook?
      Pila Mulligan: the acronym theme as oposed to topical themes
      Eos Amaterasu: I think subtle difference
      Pila Mulligan: appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation of
      being has been in circulation recently
      Dakini Rhode: either way is good, Pila
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Dakini Rhode: or both
      Dakini Rhode: both
      Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I"m looking forward to the Sophia Placebo discussion with
      Pila Mulligan: if only I can get up at 4 am :)

    kenji joins in the discussion...

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      Pila Mulligan: hi kenji
      kenji Pookes: Hi all
      Dakini Rhode: welcome kenji
      Eos Amaterasu: :-)
      Dakini Rhode: :)
      Pila Mulligan: how are you, Kenji?
      kenji Pookes: Not bad and you?
      Pila Mulligan: fine thanks
      Dakini Rhode: when i saw the words "presence of appearance", "presence" seemed
      to me that it was pointing at the "beingness" of appearance
      Dakini Rhode: or the essence of appearance might be a better way to express it
      Eos Amaterasu: presence is an interesting word / topic
      Pila Mulligan: it sounds to me like a variation on the movie analogy theme,
      like Plato's Cave
      Dakini Rhode: how is that, Pila?
      Pila Mulligan: the appearance of things being a presentation or picture
      Eos Amaterasu: a projection?
      Pila Mulligan: a presence of appearance -- projected perhaps
      Pila Mulligan: manifest perhaps
      Eos Amaterasu: hmm, I've been experiencing it perhaps more through touch sense
      than sight sense
      kenji Pookes: Eos and I had a long chat last night and he learned how
      incredibly dense I am, but I'll ask: what is a "presence of appearnce"?
      Eos Amaterasu: presence is when you feel the other
      kenji Pookes: the other what?
      Eos Amaterasu: somewhat as you feel yourself
      Pila Mulligan: do you get appearance, kenji?
      Eos Amaterasu: the other thing, or the other person
      kenji Pookes: Not really.
      Pila Mulligan: does anyhitng appear around you now?
      kenji Pookes: It's just there.
      Pila Mulligan: but is has not disappeared :)
      kenji Pookes: IT hasn't appeared, either. It's just there.
      Pila Mulligan: I think that is the presence fpo appearance
      kenji Pookes: Sounds like a complex way to say stuff is out there.
      Pila Mulligan: it is :)
      Resting Thor: every sense perception is an appearance is it not?
      kenji Pookes: Why not just say stuff is out there.
      Dakini Rhode: that's an interesting way to put it
      Pila Mulligan: appreciate the perception of stuff out there as a presentation
      of being
      Eos Amaterasu: appreaciate just there-ness
      Resting Thor: it is not logical to say stuff is out there
      Pila Mulligan: ok with me
      kenji Pookes: brb
      Resting Thor: we only have sense perceptions
      Resting Thor: not direct awareness of outside stuff


    Pila Mulligan: appreciate sense perceptions of stuff seeming to be out there
      as a presentation of being


      Dakini Rhode: we need to send that one to Pema, Pila
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      stevenaia Michinaga: yes
      Dakini Rhode: ;-D


      Resting Thor: being doesn't exist separate from our assertion of its existence
      Eos Amaterasu: that's really out there :-)
      Pila Mulligan: it needs context, though
      Resting Thor: so nothing to present appearance
      Resting Thor: by your statement
      Pila Mulligan: ergo, presentation, perhaps
      Dakini Rhode: it's interesting to think that if you can't perceive it, it
      seems to be nothing


    Pila Mulligan: appreciate sense perceptions of stuff seeming to be out there
      as an assertion of existence


      Resting Thor: thats the question i think


    Eos Amaterasu: appreaciate the seeming to be of sense pereceptions


      Pila Mulligan: Buddhism always lead to Atman questions, in my experinece
      Pila Mulligan: what's asserting this exiostence?
      Eos Amaterasu: never :-)
      Eos Amaterasu: good question
      Resting Thor: the practice can be searching for the "asserter" :)
      Pila Mulligan: projection? manifestation? individuals? collective?
      Pila Mulligan: :)
      Eos Amaterasu: Unlike Plato, in such an approach there is no screen
      Pila Mulligan: Being is the screen?
      Eos Amaterasu: it's all movie
      Eos Amaterasu: the being of appearance is not something other than appearance
      Eos Amaterasu: but it is tangible, which itself is appearance
      Dakini Rhode: presence and appearance inseparable?
      Dakini Rhode: noticing the substitution of being for presence
      Eos Amaterasu: presence is tangibility, neh?
      Dakini Rhode: neh?
      Eos Amaterasu: often when we say we feel presence we mean we feel the other
      more strongly, or as, we feel ourselves
      Eos Amaterasu: neh = is it not (in Japanese)
      Dakini Rhode is seeing 'appreciate the presence of appearance' as koan
      Dakini Rhode: so many meanings in those words
      Eos Amaterasu: presence also has a field quality
      Eos Amaterasu: things emerge from presence
      Eos Amaterasu: presencing is like listening
      Eos Amaterasu: the pause that's pregnant
      Eos Amaterasu: :-)
      Dakini Rhode: i was googling a definition of presence :)
      Eos Amaterasu: "presencing" has become a big movement (cf Otto Scharmer and
      Theory U)
      Dakini Rhode: oboy
      Dakini Rhode: is this presencing what we're alluding to?
      Eos Amaterasu: I think theyr
      Eos Amaterasu: they are related, but independent, ....
      Dakini Rhode: wb
      stevenaia Michinaga: I msut be off
      stevenaia Michinaga: :)
      Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
      Dakini Rhode: byeeee
      Eos Amaterasu: ciao
      Pila Mulligan: happy hooping
      Dakini Rhode: can you say more about presencing Eos?
      Eos Amaterasu: Well, there are a lot of contexts, etc.
      Dakini Rhode: must be :)
      Eos Amaterasu: but I was just thinking that presence also has fragile quality
      Eos Amaterasu: you feel presence partly because you're not totally it, there's
      some uncertainty
      Eos Amaterasu: which maybe is also part of openness
      Eos Amaterasu: uncertainly and openness about yourself as well
      Eos Amaterasu: mabye the "pre" part of "presense" suggests that
      Dakini Rhode: :)
      Dakini Rhode: having just erased my former comment due to the silence...
      Pila Mulligan also needs to attend to rl now -- bye Dakini and Eos, nice chat
      Dakini Rhode: bye Pila
      Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pila!
      Dakini Rhode: they're dropping like flies
      Eos Amaterasu: hmm :-)
      Dakini Rhode: shall we continue or is this a good time to close the chat?
      Eos Amaterasu: I've stayed longer than I intended - late here - so perhaps "to
      be continued...."
      Dakini Rhode: good with me :)
      Dakini Rhode: thank you, Eos
      Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, bye!
      Dakini Rhode: bye

    and we depart...

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