2009.06.05 19:00 - Appreciate Sense Perceptions of Stuff Seeming to Be Out There

The Guardian for this meeting was Dakini Rhode. The comments are by Dakini.

Pila, Stevenaia, Eos, Resting, kenji, and I discuss Appreciating the Presence of Appearance as a Presentation of Being and a few more acronyms are invented...

  stevenaia Michinaga: friends were going to do hooping by the river tonight,
  but moved to indoors w/ mirrored "moon" ball instead
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: due to the rain
  Pila Mulligan: hooping is ____?
  Dakini Rhode: hula hooping Steve?
  stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but I think it;s goten all formalized now
  Dakini Rhode: onooooo
  Pila Mulligan: ahh, NCAA standards?
  Dakini Rhode: how can you formalize a thing like that?
  stevenaia Michinaga: more stringent
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Pila Mulligan: really :)
  Pila Mulligan: stringent shimmy
  stevenaia Michinaga: well, there hooping , jumping through hoops hooping on
  elbows, hooping for hours
  Pila Mulligan: it sounds pretty serious
  Dakini Rhode: sounds fun... but i have to ask something
  Dakini Rhode: what is a moon ball?
  stevenaia Michinaga: an indoor replacement for aq full moon....mirrored disco
  ball
  Pila Mulligan remembers a Pink Floyd concert in 1971
  Dakini Rhode: that's what i had pictured :)
  Dakini Rhode: i think i have one in my inv. here
  stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaWPTCzhM4
  stevenaia Michinaga: hooping
  Pila Mulligan: wow, cool, Steve -- thanks
  Pila Mulligan: I couldn't help but think: Hip-Hoop
  Dakini Rhode: cool
  stevenaia Michinaga: you will find hoopers in many yoga studios
  Pila Mulligan: I liked the break hooping :)

 cosmic Ghost makes a brief appearance

  Dakini Rhode: hello cosmic
  Pila Mulligan: hi cos
  cosmic Ghost: hi
  Pila Mulligan: nice hoops
  Dakini Rhode: wonderful av :)
  cosmic Ghost: thanks
  Dakini Rhode: admiring all the colors
  cosmic Ghost: soory must go
  stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm
  Pila Mulligan: bye

a bit of googling ensues

  Pila Mulligan: something about her av reminded me of the movie The Fifth
  Element
  Dakini Rhode: very glowy
  stevenaia Michinaga: my favorite movie
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: she did seem like the singer
  Pila Mulligan: yes, i was trying to rememebrt the singer's name
  Pila Mulligan: Diva ...?
  Dakini Rhode: this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MR6D7tL38U
  Pila Mulligan: yes, Dakini -- thanks
  Pila Mulligan: cosmic's protrusions were more colorful, however
  Pila Mulligan: Diva Plavalaguna :)
  Dakini Rhode: getting lost in youtube here :)
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: you are quicker on google than I am Pila
  Pila Mulligan: she has a capitvating voice, for sure
  Dakini Rhode: hauntingly beautiful
  Dakini Rhode: so.
  Pila Mulligan: ... Leeloo and 'badaboom' seem to have become cultural icons
  Dakini Rhode: ono don't make me google again
  Dakini Rhode: please
  Dakini Rhode: :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: :)
  Pila Mulligan: ... fastest Google in the West, Steve :)

We're joined by Resting...

  Pila Mulligan: hi Resting
  stevenaia Michinaga: hello Resting
  Dakini Rhode: hi Resting :)
  Resting Thor: hi guys!
  Pila Mulligan: how are you?
  Resting Thor: relaxing
  Pila Mulligan: ... we were just reminiscing on the movie The Fifth Element
  Resting Thor: not space but love :)
  Pila Mulligan: ... Leeloo and 'badaboom' :)
  Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
  Dakini Rhode: hello Eos
  Eos Amaterasu: Hi all!
  Pila Mulligan: how are you, Eos?
  Eos Amaterasu: Pretty good, busy life all around, more first than second
  Pila Mulligan: earlier Steve noted the full moon is tomorrow -- I alway notice
  a kind of mood shift with the full moon
  Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes, I noticed it thru the clouds
  Eos Amaterasu: Hoping to catch it in our little pool
  Pila Mulligan: brighter nights
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Dakini Rhode: :)

Eos gets us on topic...

  Eos Amaterasu: Has a topic emerged for discussion?
  Pila Mulligan: not yet -- but here's a factiod: "This Saturday night, Jan.
  10th, another perigee Moon is coming. It's the biggest full Moon of 2009,
  almost identical to the one that impressed onlookers in Dec. 2008"
  Dakini Rhode: actually, not yet... i think it may be the moon
  Pila Mulligan: oops, misread -- I thought it was June
  Pila Mulligan: my bad
  Pila Mulligan: old eyes :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: Do you have a topic Eos?
  Eos Amaterasu: Not really
  stevenaia Michinaga: :)
  Dakini Rhode: has there been a theme to playasbeing of late?
  Pila Mulligan: I think there are presently a few themes

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  Eos Amaterasu: Appreciate the presence of appearance.....

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  Pila Mulligan: tomorrow Sophia and Pema do Islamic ideas

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Eos Amaterasu: and appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation of 
being

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  Pila Mulligan: oh, again, misttok the question .. :)
  Dakini Rhode: what's the difference?
  Eos Amaterasu: what's the mistook?
  Pila Mulligan: the acronym theme as oposed to topical themes
  Eos Amaterasu: I think subtle difference
  Pila Mulligan: appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation of
  being has been in circulation recently
  Dakini Rhode: either way is good, Pila
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Dakini Rhode: or both
  Dakini Rhode: both
  Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I"m looking forward to the Sophia Placebo discussion with
  Islam
  Pila Mulligan: if only I can get up at 4 am :)

kenji joins in the discussion...

  Pila Mulligan: hi kenji
  kenji Pookes: Hi all
  Dakini Rhode: welcome kenji
  Eos Amaterasu: :-)
  Dakini Rhode: :)
  Pila Mulligan: how are you, Kenji?
  kenji Pookes: Not bad and you?
  Pila Mulligan: fine thanks
  Dakini Rhode: when i saw the words "presence of appearance", "presence" seemed
  to me that it was pointing at the "beingness" of appearance
  Dakini Rhode: or the essence of appearance might be a better way to express it
  Eos Amaterasu: presence is an interesting word / topic
  Pila Mulligan: it sounds to me like a variation on the movie analogy theme,
  like Plato's Cave
  Dakini Rhode: how is that, Pila?
  Pila Mulligan: the appearance of things being a presentation or picture
  Eos Amaterasu: a projection?
  Pila Mulligan: a presence of appearance -- projected perhaps
  Pila Mulligan: manifest perhaps
  Eos Amaterasu: hmm, I've been experiencing it perhaps more through touch sense
  than sight sense
  kenji Pookes: Eos and I had a long chat last night and he learned how
  incredibly dense I am, but I'll ask: what is a "presence of appearnce"?
  Eos Amaterasu: presence is when you feel the other
  kenji Pookes: the other what?
  Eos Amaterasu: somewhat as you feel yourself
  Pila Mulligan: do you get appearance, kenji?
  Eos Amaterasu: the other thing, or the other person
  kenji Pookes: Not really.
  Pila Mulligan: does anyhitng appear around you now?
  kenji Pookes: It's just there.
  Pila Mulligan: but is has not disappeared :)
  kenji Pookes: IT hasn't appeared, either. It's just there.
  Pila Mulligan: I think that is the presence fpo appearance
  kenji Pookes: Sounds like a complex way to say stuff is out there.
  Pila Mulligan: it is :)
  Resting Thor: every sense perception is an appearance is it not?
  kenji Pookes: Why not just say stuff is out there.
  Dakini Rhode: that's an interesting way to put it
  Pila Mulligan: appreciate the perception of stuff out there as a presentation
  of being
  Eos Amaterasu: appreaciate just there-ness
  Resting Thor: it is not logical to say stuff is out there
  Pila Mulligan: ok with me
  kenji Pookes: brb
  Resting Thor: we only have sense perceptions
  Resting Thor: not direct awareness of outside stuff

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Pila Mulligan: appreciate sense perceptions of stuff seeming to be out there
  as a presentation of being

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  Dakini Rhode: we need to send that one to Pema, Pila
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  stevenaia Michinaga: yes
  Dakini Rhode: ;-D

;-D

  Resting Thor: being doesn't exist separate from our assertion of its existence
  Eos Amaterasu: that's really out there :-)
  Pila Mulligan: it needs context, though
  Resting Thor: so nothing to present appearance
  Resting Thor: by your statement
  Pila Mulligan: ergo, presentation, perhaps
  Dakini Rhode: it's interesting to think that if you can't perceive it, it
  seems to be nothing

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Pila Mulligan: appreciate sense perceptions of stuff seeming to be out there
  as an assertion of existence

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  Resting Thor: thats the question i think

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Eos Amaterasu: appreaciate the seeming to be of sense pereceptions

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  Pila Mulligan: Buddhism always lead to Atman questions, in my experinece
  Pila Mulligan: what's asserting this exiostence?
  Eos Amaterasu: never :-)
  Eos Amaterasu: good question
  Resting Thor: the practice can be searching for the "asserter" :)
  Pila Mulligan: projection? manifestation? individuals? collective?
  Pila Mulligan: :)
  Eos Amaterasu: Unlike Plato, in such an approach there is no screen
  Pila Mulligan: Being is the screen?
  Eos Amaterasu: it's all movie
  Eos Amaterasu: the being of appearance is not something other than appearance
  Eos Amaterasu: but it is tangible, which itself is appearance
  Dakini Rhode: presence and appearance inseparable?
  Dakini Rhode: noticing the substitution of being for presence
  Eos Amaterasu: presence is tangibility, neh?
  Dakini Rhode: neh?
  Eos Amaterasu: often when we say we feel presence we mean we feel the other
  more strongly, or as, we feel ourselves
  Eos Amaterasu: neh = is it not (in Japanese)
  Dakini Rhode is seeing 'appreciate the presence of appearance' as koan
  Dakini Rhode: so many meanings in those words
  Eos Amaterasu: presence also has a field quality
  Eos Amaterasu: things emerge from presence
  Eos Amaterasu: presencing is like listening
  Eos Amaterasu: the pause that's pregnant
  Eos Amaterasu: :-)
  Dakini Rhode: i was googling a definition of presence :)
  Eos Amaterasu: "presencing" has become a big movement (cf Otto Scharmer and
  Theory U)
  Dakini Rhode: oboy
  Dakini Rhode: is this presencing what we're alluding to?
  Eos Amaterasu: I think theyr
  Eos Amaterasu: they are related, but independent, ....
  Dakini Rhode: wb
  stevenaia Michinaga: I msut be off
  stevenaia Michinaga: :)
  Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
  Dakini Rhode: byeeee
  Eos Amaterasu: ciao
  Pila Mulligan: happy hooping
  Dakini Rhode: can you say more about presencing Eos?
  Eos Amaterasu: Well, there are a lot of contexts, etc.
  Dakini Rhode: must be :)
  Eos Amaterasu: but I was just thinking that presence also has fragile quality
  Eos Amaterasu: you feel presence partly because you're not totally it, there's
  some uncertainty
  Eos Amaterasu: which maybe is also part of openness
  Eos Amaterasu: uncertainly and openness about yourself as well
  Eos Amaterasu: mabye the "pre" part of "presense" suggests that
  Dakini Rhode: :)
  Dakini Rhode: having just erased my former comment due to the silence...
  Pila Mulligan also needs to attend to rl now -- bye Dakini and Eos, nice chat
  :)
  Dakini Rhode: bye Pila
  Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pila!
  Dakini Rhode: they're dropping like flies
  Eos Amaterasu: hmm :-)
  Dakini Rhode: shall we continue or is this a good time to close the chat?
  Eos Amaterasu: I've stayed longer than I intended - late here - so perhaps "to
  be continued...."
  Dakini Rhode: good with me :)
  Dakini Rhode: thank you, Eos
  Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, bye!
  Dakini Rhode: bye

and we depart...