2009.06.21 07:00 - Emptiness and Love Together

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble--. The comments are by Adams Rubble--.

    I sat for a little while alone until joined by Udge and then briefly by Eliza who arrived with her dog avatar still wearing its party hat from last night's session.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Udge :)
    Udge Watanabe: hello adams, nice to see you again
    Adams Rubble: Yes, very nice to see you :)
    Adams Rubble: I just got done posting the log from last night :)
    Adams Rubble: We had a very silly session
    Udge Watanabe grins. Good, I approve of that.
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid it was my fault
    Udge Watanabe: ha, now I shall have to read it.
    Adams Rubble: I think it is the brunette hair
    Udge Watanabe: must be.
    Udge Watanabe: very nice, btw.
    Adams Rubble: seems to make me a bit flighty
    Adams Rubble giggles at using last night's material
    Adams Rubble needs a new writer
    Udge Watanabe: recycling is good.
    Adams Rubble: different audience :)
    Udge Watanabe: right.
    Adams Rubble: until you read the log
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Udge Watanabe: well, I'll do that later, then. You can reuse your material on me and I will laugh at its freshness :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble thinks maybe she should change to a more serious outfit :)
    Udge Watanabe: naah
    Udge Watanabe: unless you are uncomfortable
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Udge Watanabe: wow! eliza, what a lovely av
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Adams Rubble: I just got the log posted Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Udge...someone seems to have had some fun last night
    Udge Watanabe: heheh
    Adams Rubble looks at her feet
    Udge Watanabe chuckles
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams you look very pretty
    Adams Rubble: Thanks, I had to get out of the brown hair before something happened :)
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I still do not feel too serious
    Adams Rubble: but running out of props
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe probably a very good thing
    Adams Rubble: only about 17,000 left
    Udge Watanabe is getting very curious.
    Eliza Madrigal: ahhaha
    Eliza Madrigal: Yikes...shouldn't have signed on...chaos here this morning :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hopefully will beback in a little while *hugs*
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Udge Watanabe: bye fr now, eliza
    Adams Rubble: oh, I musudnerstood her
    Adams Rubble: hope everything is OK
    Udge Watanabe: yeah...
    Eliza left quickly and I recounted parts of a dream; we were soon joined by Pema who was still at the airport
    Adams Rubble: I had a dream last night in which people were extremely argumentative
    Adams Rubble: one of the issues was whether to call the afternoon break a coffee break or spot of tea
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema :)
    Udge Watanabe chortles
    Udge Watanabe: hello pema
    Adams Rubble: surprised to see you Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Adams and Udge!
    Udge Watanabe: what time is this for you?
    Pema Pera: yes, my plane is late . . . so here I am, waiting at JFK
    Udge Watanabe: ha
    Pema Pera: so that gave me a chance to join you both!
    Adams Rubble: oh, good to see you but sorry for the reason
    Udge Watanabe smiles.
    Pema Pera: oh, no problem, on a 14 hour flight to Japan, a few hours delay doesn't make that much of a difference
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I turned your session last night into a free for all
    Pema Pera: what happened?
    Adams Rubble: I put on brunette hair and seemed to get a bit flighty
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Adams Rubble: it became a very silly session
    Pema Pera: sounds like fun!
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Adams Rubble: I took pictures
    Udge Watanabe laughs. You are teasing us.
    Udge was wearing a tag "Token Dull Person"
    Adams Rubble: Udge, that tag does not fit you at all :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eos :)
    Udge Watanabe: oh, that depends on the context, adams :)
    Eos arrives follwed by Avastu while I am still telling my dream
    Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
    Udge Watanabe: hello eos
    Adams Rubble: I was telling Udge that I woke up from dreaming about everyone arguing over what things are called
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Pema, Udge
    Adams Rubble: the last example was a coffee break vs. a spot of tea
    Pema Pera: perhaps no need to dream -- that happens in RL too!
    Udge Watanabe: yeah
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: People in my dream were very, very anngry about it
    Adams Rubble: Hello Avastu :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Avastu!
    Pema Pera: Great seeing you again!
    Udge Watanabe: hello Avastu.
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friends - love to you
    Adams Rubble: Love to you too Avastu :)
    Pema Pera: How are things with you, Avastu?
    Avastu Maruti: perfect as always - and you?
    Pema Pera: I'm fine too, thank you!
    Sophia joins us
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!
    Udge Watanabe: hello sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi pema :) all
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Pema starts a thread by recounting a wonderful quote of Nisargadatta
    Pema Pera: Avastu, the other day I looked up the Nisargadatta entry on wikipedia -- I was curious what had been written about him, and what quotes were used. I was happy to see quite a good entry. The quotes were great too.
    Pema Pera: for example:
    Pema Pera: "When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Pema Pera: (background: Nisargadatta was a Hindu teacher, who also inspired Avastu, as the teacher of his teacher -- I greatly enjoy reading Nisargadatta)
    Adams Rubble: I have an entirely different understanding of the quote than I would have last summer when I was reading Nisargadatta
    Udge Watanabe: say more, adams?
    Adams Rubble: Maybe I am learning to love in a new way
    Udge Watanabe smiles
    Pema Pera 's turn to ask: can you say more, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: It doesn't seem to be words. I felt the statement
    Adams Rubble: I don;t rememebr reading anything about Love in Nisargadatta last summer :)
    Adams Rubble: I am a bit curious now to look back and see what I may have missed
    Udge Watanabe nods. Any book worth reading needs to be read at least twice IMHO
    Pema Pera: at least!
    Udge Watanabe: you need one or more reading just to get over it being new and strange.
    Pema Pera: yes, like a great dish that you learn to appreciate in more and more detail
    Eos Amaterasu: RE "When I see I am everything, that is love.", slightly shifting that to "I am not separate from anything" => empathy, compassion
    Eos Amaterasu: That pain is my pain is open presentation of pain
    Openess of emptiness
    Pema Pera: yes, the openness of emptiness . . .
    Pema Pera: the more we taste that, the more it becomes possible, and in fact very natural, to let everything just present itself . . . .
    Eos Amaterasu: openness going along with precision of emptiness: every little detail
    Pema Pera: no struggle, hence no reason to gloss over any detail
    Pema Pera: no agenda, so no reason to iron out or simplify any "inconvenient truth"
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Adams Rubble: what is the emptiness?
    Pema Pera: you mean in Eos' statement, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: I thought you used the term first Pema
    Adams Rubble: [7:42] Pema Pera: yes, the openness of emptiness . . .
    Pema Pera: I quoted Nisargadatta :-)
    Adams Rubble looks back
    Pema Pera: ah yes, and then I took it from there
    Eos Amaterasu: This morning, cutting potato into slices, momentary gap/rest after each slice
    Eos Amaterasu: tiny break in pre-occupation of my activity
    Explanation of emptiness in this context
    Pema Pera: each moment a new opening . . . .
    Pema Pera: each moment empty . . . . ready for something totally new and different
    Pema Pera: or seemingly the same :-)
    Pema Pera: so emptiness is no judgment, no expectation, open for whatever may come
    Adams Rubble is beginning to understand
    Adams Rubble: no need to continue what we think has to be continued...we are just filling the emptiness with more of the same
    Pema Pera: and when we continue, then that too is fully new and fresh
    sophia Placebo: see you later :) bye
    Pema Pera: even though it may look the same
    Sophia leaves quickly before we can say goodbye
    Adams Rubble: bye Sophia :)
    Pema Pera: bye Sophia!
    Eos Amaterasu: bye Sophia
    Eos Amaterasu: I think that also applies to motivation, whatever personal motivation we have going, which can drop for a moment, and then what motivation comes next might come from ....?
    Eos Amaterasu: someplace "else"
    Back to Love
    Eos Amaterasu: which maybe brings it back to love (?)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, motivation needs to be renewed -- we can't just let it run on autopilot
    Pema Pera: and each time we look, the motivation becomes richer
    Pema Pera: fuller and simpler
    Pema Pera: starting from trying to reach something, to improve ourselves, and then shifting more and more to celebrating, to just being
    Dull? really?
    Pema Pera: which may sound rather dull :-)
    Udge Watanabe: on the contrary, it sounds delightful.
    Adams Rubble looks again at Udge's tag with new respect
    Udge Watanabe: it ties in with a book I was reading, "The art of travel" by Alain de Botton
    Pema Pera was thinking just that
    Udge Watanabe: he talks about the timportance of travelling without preconceptions, and especially without guide books
    Udge Watanabe: because the things they point out distract you from what else is really there for you to see
    Udge Watanabe: and they seem to devalue the things that _do_ catch your eye. "That windowbox of geraniums is lovely, but how many Michelin stars did it get?"
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: When visiting a new city, I always prefer not to go to any museum or landmark the first day, but rather just to saunter around
    Udge Watanabe nods
    Pema leaves
    Pema Pera: well, I'll check my delayed flight again, talking about traveling :-)
    Pema Pera: great seeing you all here!
    Udge Watanabe smiles. Bon voyage, Pema, I hope you get away soon
    Eos Amaterasu: bye - I also must leave, thanks for the great dialogue
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Udge Watanabe: bye eos, take care
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema. Have a good flight
    Adams Rubble: by Eos
    Adams Rubble: bye
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Udge Watanabe: I can recommend "the art of travel", its conclusions are very PaB-like :)
    Adams Rubble: Thanks Udge :)
    Udge Watanabe: and the style is good, de Botton has that typically English wistful, thoughtful, gentle melancholy tone
    Adams Rubble: It does depend a bit on what you look for in a guidebook though :)
    Udge Watanabe: well, yes :)
    Udge Watanabe: and it is easy to say "you're doing it wrong" to people who take guidebooks on their six-day tour of all Italy :)
    Adams Rubble nods
    Udge Watanabe: but they are not you, they dont have your possibilities or your interests.
    Adams Rubble: I would want the 1908 Baedeker's
    Udge Watanabe smiles.
    Adams Rubble is a bit wierd :)
    Udge Watanabe: well, many of the places I most want to see are in the past anyway :)
    Udge Watanabe: Saigon before WW2, when it was called the Paris of the Orient.
    Udge Watanabe: Los Angeles in the early 70's, when there was cheap gas and full employment and the Beach Boys were singing in the club by the shore
    Adams Rubble: Little old lady from pasadena.........
    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
    Adams Rubble: go granny, go granny, go granny, go
    Udge Watanabe: the soundtrack to my childhood :)
    Udge Watanabe: though I never actually bought an album until about 2 years ago
    Adams Rubble: that's the way of it :)
    Udge Watanabe: I didn't have to, they were all around. You don't buy air.
    Adams Rubble: now we have YouTube
    Adams Rubble: My Baedeker's would not work in Asia
    Adams Rubble: only in Europe
    Udge Watanabe nods.
    Adams Rubble saw Los Angeles in the early 1980s and feels she has seen quite enough
    Udge Watanabe: yeah :)
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Udge Watanabe: only the Getty would interest me there today.
    Adams Rubble: me too
    Udge Watanabe: but I could probably spend a week in the Getty
    Adams Rubble: hmmmm
    Adams Rubble thinks it is a case where the collections may not be up to the building
    Udge Watanabe: oh dear, that would be a terrible disappointment.
    Udge Watanabe: there! you see?
    Udge Watanabe: expectation in action.
    Udge Watanabe: setting up a disapointment
    Adams Rubble: It is a relatively new collection
    Adams Rubble hangs her head for spoiling Udge's view of the Getty
    Udge Watanabe: nonono, me not you.
    Adams Rubble promises not to write a guidebook
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Then Udge and I depart too and the session ends
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I am going to have to go
    Adams Rubble: Have a good rest of the day everyone :)
    Udge Watanabe: it was great to see you again, Adams. Take care, enjoy the day.
    Adams Rubble: or night
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    Udge Watanabe: I should go too, places to do, things to see.
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