2009.06.25 13:00 - Replacing a missing bell

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    We started with my demonstrating the different ways that guardians can organise the pavilion's seating and pool.

    Storm Nordwind: I always like to fly here :)
    Storm Nordwind: Wol noticed I'm the only person who ever does
    Storm Nordwind: I must be a romantic!
    Nymf Hathaway: Its close so why not? I was just lazy
    Nymf Hathaway: indeed I never see others do it :)
    Storm Nordwind: I'm going to adjust the pool
    Nymf Hathaway: Pila told me about this, but I never saw it :)
    Storm Nordwind: Let me show you the different combinations
    Nymf Hathaway: Please do :)
    Storm Nordwind: This one is good for theme dialogues
    Storm Nordwind: A central group and others round the outside
    Storm Nordwind: Prepare to get wet for a moment
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: Pool with low fountain
    Storm Nordwind: Pool with high fountain
    Nymf Hathaway: Wonderful
    Storm Nordwind: And the small cosy session
    Nymf Hathaway: I like this one
    Storm Nordwind: The guardian on call gets to choose which one
    Nymf Hathaway: sounds fair to me
    Storm Nordwind: Sometimes the sessions here are very small. Sometimes they are very busy
    Nymf Hathaway: yes I have experienced both
    Storm Nordwind: When I built this place I got a list of all the attendances for the previous months
    Storm Nordwind: So I knew the size and the number of seats we needed
    Storm Nordwind: But the previous place was quite enclosed, not open
    Storm Nordwind: And some people did not like the openness!
    Storm Nordwind: Others did not like sitting so far apart from each other
    Storm Nordwind: So I gave them seating choices
    Storm Nordwind: But I kept the openness
    Nymf Hathaway: In my experience... you can only do your best, but there will always be people who do not like the change
    Storm Nordwind: That is true
    Nymf Hathaway: I think you did a wonderful job for Kira and PaB...do you work on the MICA projects as well?
    Storm Nordwind: I have done any work for MICA, at least not yet
    Storm Nordwind: But thank you for your kind words!
    Nymf Hathaway: well as you might know I ran a forum group for two years...and with 2 sims in they end... building a beautiful setting for everyone to like is hard
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Fefonz
    Storm Nordwind: Yes it is
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hello Nymf, Storm
    Storm Nordwind: But I have a queue of work that needs doing
    Storm Nordwind: I have to build a Sacred Art Museum for Adams
    Storm Nordwind: And I have to build the Multimedia Arts Centre
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Mickorod :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Mick!
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Mick!
    Nymf Hathaway: sounds like a lot of work Storm
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Storm Fef Nymf
    Storm Nordwind: It would be fine, but my RL is in upheaval right now!
    Mickorod Renard: lol,,how is rl?
    Storm Nordwind: Intense!
    Mickorod Renard: grin..but ok in a way you can foresee?
    Storm Nordwind: Sure. I vacate this house in 4 weeks
    Mickorod Renard: cool
    Storm Nordwind: And then I'm a nomad for 3 more
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Storm Nordwind: and I arrive in the US on August 10
    Mickorod Renard: dont get caught in one of those 'going loops'
    Storm Nordwind: That sounds like a programmer's term Mick! :)
    Nymf Hathaway: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking of what we are doing in Stims class
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Storm Nordwind has had to miss Stim's class for a week or so
    Storm Nordwind: With the cosy setting of the cushions, you get steam cleaned every 15 minutes. :)
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Mickorod Renard: although a lil hot here for that

    It seemed a good place to ask a question about the effects, if any, of changes in one's outer world on one's inner world, and perhaps vice versa.

    Storm Nordwind: I wonder if moving house helps shake your perception of what is real, like Play as Being does. What does anyone think?
    Mickorod Renard: i have been trying to sell my home for two years now,,and i have realized I have been putting many aspects of my life on hold,,waiting for the sale
    Storm Nordwind: I can understand that Mick
    Mickorod Renard: i realize i have wasted much
    Fefonz Quan: moving house mostly takes so much effort and small details, nothing else seems real :)
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Nymf Hathaway: I think it does Storm, every major change
    Fefonz Quan: yes, a major attachement practice
    Mickorod Renard: I must enjoy the moment,,and the future will sort itself out
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I realised this when I had to fill out a form for the American Embassy. They wanted to know all my addresses since I was 16 years old
    Fefonz Quan: /refrain strongly from saying something about real estate...
    Mickorod Renard: lol
    Nymf Hathaway: wow :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bear in mind that means in the last 40 years for me
    Mickorod Renard: and me..ish
    Storm Nordwind: And I found that, in that time, I had had 28 different addresses!
    Fefonz Quan: yes, the american embassies are so weird in that
    Fefonz Quan: well, that's a lot!
    Storm Nordwind: If you include the first 16 years, 40 addresses in total
    Mickorod Renard: I think I have had 8 in that time
    Fefonz Quan: so i think you are not attached for homes, we cleared that :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Nymf Hathaway: hahhahah
    Storm Nordwind: I wonder whether my attitude to what is real has shaped that, or whether the shaping has worked the other way round!
    Fefonz Quan: codependent i guesss :)
    Storm Nordwind grins
    Nymf Hathaway: Hi again :)
    Fefonz Quan: but seriously, it is hard to define attitude from actions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Yak :)
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: I am struggling to get my head around that,,being ..'at home' leads to some comforts that alow for some freedoms
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, the session of the philosophy class didn´t really start today
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Yak
    Storm Nordwind is tempted to look in his inventory for...

    A large visitor arrived (see below) and we talked about philosophy classes.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: interesting, i never sad in the inner circle here :)
    Mickorod Renard: which class do you attend Yak?
    Nymf Hathaway: ooh nice
    Fefonz Quan thought about yak milk too :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: herman bergsons whilosophy class
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaa,,i did a year there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: philosophy class obviously
    Fefonz Quan: sounds interesting, where is that taking place yaku?
    Mickorod Renard: I liked it very much
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but he is doing a break now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: www.thephilosophyclass.blogspot.com
    Mickorod Renard: it covers 100 philosophers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for the summer and his vacation
    Mickorod Renard: at least
    Fefonz Quan: it is interesting, when the name of something gives its coordinates too.
    Mickorod Renard: trying to understand diferent philo's views
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yeah, that was sad that i wasn´t active on sl by that time.
    Mickorod Renard: I am sure its largely a repeat every year
    Fefonz Quan: phyllo dough....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, he got different topcis, but sure in parts there will always be a recall
    Mickorod Renard: I originally went in for it searching for answers,,but it raises more questions instead
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyway, anyone here interested in philosophy of any kind ?
    Storm Nordwind: Sure, many in PaB are
    Fefonz Quan: the practical and experienced kind :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i know that arabella is into phil
    Storm Nordwind: All philosophy classes are designed to do that Mick!
    sophia Placebo: greetings
    Storm Nordwind: Hi sophia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophi
    Fefonz Quan: Hey, Sophia, don't be afraid of the Yak
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,but you dont get to see that until you try it,,he he
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Sophia :)
    Storm Nordwind: All Yaks are tame here!
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Sophia
    sophia Placebo: eww

    Sophia overcame any concerns about our large visitor, and sat in front of it.


    Mickorod Renard: I think sophia is into philosophy too,,if I am correct
    sophia Placebo: nop im not
    Mickorod Renard: no?
    sophia Placebo: actually i seek philo discussions in sl cuase im not into it for real
    sophia Placebo: but i dot know why
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,I see
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because you don´t have the time beside med ?
    Mickorod Renard: I found Hermans class helped me in confidence yak
    Mickorod Renard: in discussions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i have the same feeling with sl in general
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to stay in contact with many totally different but also exploring groups
    sophia Placebo: part of yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example pab is more into selfexploration and some of the kira events
    Yakuzza Lethecus: while i obviously also like the classical western philosophy event´s with giles or on thothica and open habitat
    Fefonz Quan: (and?)
    Storm Nordwind: Where better to explore philosophy than by examining one's self?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, that also leads me in being curious abou psychologie and my own ontogenesis
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but that is a real complicated field and i didn´t found many good places for that in sl so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: developmental psych isn´t really covered here
    Storm Nordwind: If it's not here, perhaps you can make it happen! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am really justcurious and incompetent :P
    Mickorod Renard: maybe a good thing yak,,i always worry about looking too deep into myself..in a psychology way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean even here i sit in silent all the time
    Storm Nordwind: Curious is wonderful!! Incompetent is how we all start.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just like to read and hear, then i read about retrats and google about budism
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry the text appears seconds after i type
    Storm Nordwind thinks about the Play as Being retreat at the end of August
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a bad pc right now
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i would love to have made that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my new one is still at the support
    sophia Placebo: did you start generating your own philosophy ?yak
    Mickorod Renard: I have 3 pc here,,but 2 are down with virus
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know if we can really create our own philosophy until we understad what philosophy is all about
    sophia Placebo: hi shyama
    sophia Placebo: you can
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Shy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i dn´t even like the term philosophybecause it leads in so many different fields and directionsphilosophy of mind, ofscience
    Storm Nordwind recommends http://free.avg.com/ Mick
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i have that storm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: philosophy as the handmade of theologie
    Mickorod Renard: its really my wife's pc's that are bad
    Storm Nordwind: yes philosophy is a wide term
    sophia Placebo: still you can
    Mickorod Renard: are u commin to sit with us shy?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey shy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi Yakuzza
    Storm Nordwind: I was listening to a BBC radio programme last night (the Moral Maze), and they were arguing about a topic without really defining the basic terms. People trap other people in words like that
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,u have me trapped already
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i even talked to an old friend about my relativly new interest in philosophy and he just told me that philosophy is crap and he was just thinking about discussiong if i am really here
    sophia Placebo: the thing is about tv shows , defining terms can take all the show time unless the host was smart enough to ask very specific questions

    I had noticed that when the quarter hourly message for a 90 seconds pause was broadcast, and vapours erupted from the central spout, there was no longer a sound cue.

    Storm Nordwind has just noticed that Moon's 15 minute bell has gone. I will have to make a quick replacement.

    So while others carried on chatting, I sent a message to Moon Fargis, the creator of the original bell. He very kindly sent me a replacement and I was able to install it in the pavailion.

    Mickorod Renard: Yak, i get the impression that philo is good for opening up your mind to alternative ways of thought,,i dont think it would be productive to stick to one method
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it is funny now i know that philosophy is so much more and splitted into so many fields but when i talk to others here is still see that even the term philosophie is forbidden and connotated with prejudices
    Mickorod Renard: whats your speciality Shy?
    Shyama Sheryffe: curiosity
    Mickorod Renard: philo ends up in much debate and arguement,,wheras here we like to not put up barriers,,in my opinion
    sophia Placebo: knowladge is an endless ocean ,unless one knows where is he aiming to , most likely he would never reach a shore
    Mickorod Renard: we are a curious bunch
    Shyama Sheryffe: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i still kike to hear about the debates but i don´t like to really participate in an debate :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just want to hear about the different oint of views
    Mickorod Renard: I was like that at Hermans,,in the end i was very debating
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in my case i still prefer lectures because i have the feeling that i have to know so much more before i can really start to reason
    Mickorod Renard: you will wait forever then Yak
    Shyama Sheryffe: are u all philosophers ?
    Mickorod Renard: just throw yourself into the lions,,like I did
    sophia Placebo: no im not
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but also it´providing me with new inspiratio to read more about the stuff ihear there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: me neither
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at leastwe are all no professionals :P
    Storm Nordwind: We're here Shyama to discuss our experiences with Play as Being. We attract some people who are philosophers - and many people who are not!
    Mickorod Renard: I am not,,but then,,what is the definition of philosopher?
    Shyama Sheryffe: lol, i like to hear thoughts of the whole process of life
    Mickorod Renard: I think if you enjoy asking questions then you could be classed as a philosopher
    Shyama Sheryffe: then ima a philosopher too..lol
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaaa
    Storm Nordwind: Great!

    We started to wind down and prepare for the coming workshop.

    Mickorod Renard: is it stims class tonite?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes it is Mick
    Storm Nordwind: In 5 minutes
    Mickorod Renard: cool
    Shyama Sheryffe: whicc class and where ?
    Mickorod Renard: are you going to try stims WoK class Shy?
    Shyama Sheryffe: what is it about ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i thik mihgt pariciate until i fall asle on hs cuch :
    Mickorod Renard: ways of knowing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: couch
    Storm Nordwind: I've just put Moon's bell back in the rafters. Does anyone think the position is wrong, right, can't remember? ;)
    sophia Placebo: ways of knowing in kira
    Shyama Sheryffe: yes !
    Shyama Sheryffe: is it here ?
    Storm Nordwind: It's at the Kira Cafe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what tme is i in saudi arabia sophia ?
    sophia Placebo: cant tell storm
    Mickorod Renard: its at the same place we did dreams
    Mickorod Renard: shy
    Shyama Sheryffe: nods
    sophia Placebo: 11:57
    Mickorod Renard: but in the comfey lounge
    Storm Nordwind: Plush red chairs
    Yakuzza Lethecus: only 1 hour later
    sophia Placebo: pm yak
    Mickorod Renard: I will warn you Shy,,you may get homework
    Shyama Sheryffe: lol
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: what was the last homework?
    Mickorod Renard: I just did mine,,fear of getting detention
    Shyama Sheryffe: will i be punished if i dont have time to do them
    sophia Placebo loves stims hoeworks
    Storm Nordwind: hooray!
    Mickorod Renard: sophia ! you havnt done any?
    sophia Placebo: nope
    Mickorod Renard: lol
    Storm Nordwind: Stim is already in the kira Cafe waiting for you
    Storm Nordwind: Time to go?
    Mickorod Renard: part of my homework was to enjoy smoking cigars
    sophia Placebo: im gonna check something about iran , just wanna meet one iranian in sl , then i might go kira
    Shyama Sheryffe: oh..i odnt smoke
    sophia Placebo: see you later
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Mickorod Renard: Fef,,wake up
    Fefonz Quan: to stim!
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