2009.07.07 13:00 - Rumi-ging through poetry

its Udges second Rez day...yipeee

Udge Watanabe: hello mick
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Udge
Mickorod Renard: sorry
Udge Watanabe: no worries
Mickorod Renard: I was reading some of rumi's poetry
Mickorod Renard: ow re you keeping?
Udge Watanabe: ah :)
Mickorod Renard: How*
Udge Watanabe: that's a worthy activity.
Mickorod Renard: well, I think it is
Udge Watanabe: I'm well, thanks
Udge Watanabe: today is my rezday, I am two years old!
Mickorod Renard: wow,,congrats
Udge Watanabe: it seems a very long time :)
Udge Watanabe: but also quite short
Mickorod Renard: yes, I must be just over a year and a half
Mickorod Renard: lots has passed in that time
Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
Udge Watanabe: in both worlds, and in myself
Udge Watanabe: some of that due to PaB :)
Mickorod Renard: yes,,pab has been a revelation to me too
Mickorod Renard: I would like to think it has been a tool in coordinating my thoughts

I ask about Rumi and his poetry

Mickorod Renard: are you familiar with Rumi's poetry Udge?

Udge Watanabe: vaguely, I have read some of it. He's a name on my radar screen
Udge Watanabe: I like his love poetry more than his poems in praise of god.
Mickorod Renard: I see something like'token dull person',,he he
Udge Watanabe: :)
Mickorod Renard: grin
Mickorod Renard: I think we are only dull to those who do not share similar interests
Udge Watanabe: true :)
Udge Watanabe: it depends on the context.
Mickorod Renard: here is an interesting one from Rumi ;

QT has a super new top

Mickorod Renard: nice top Qt
Mickorod Renard: which starship uniform is that?
Udge Watanabe: good lord, yes :)
Udge Watanabe: you're off duty today?
Qt Core: ;-) just a reminder of my previous life in Google Lively, this outfit remind me of the av i had there
Qt Core: (that is my first avatar ever)
Mickorod Renard: wow,,so you have experience of a diferent universe,,other than sl?
Qt Core: yes, the six month google lively was... alive
arabella Ella: could you tell us something about your experience tthere Qt?
Mickorod Renard: but i guess you prefer sl?
arabella Ella: what you liked and did not like and how it compares?
Qt Core: wel sl is miles and miles better on a technical pov, Lively was quieter and more cartoonish
arabella Ella: and is lively more geared for teenagers?
Qt Core: no money (yet) and no building things
Qt Core: no, not really but as there was no age verification or adult content average user age was lowwer
Qt Core: (i just come here in sl to follow a couple of friends that come here after thje closure of lively
Qt Core: accomodatevi pure
Mickorod Renard: I am not sure I need to address Iris
arabella Ella: ciao Iris accomodatevi con noi
Mickorod Renard: gave her a card
arabella Ella: va bene ciao allora
Qt Core: ok, buon divertimento
Mickorod Renard: ciao
arabella Ella: Mick she said she will go have a look around
Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
Mickorod Renard: so,,has anyone anything fun to talk about?
arabella Ella: well i was impressed with the MJ memorial service on TV
Mickorod Renard: I have noticed that i am falling in love with rain
Udge Watanabe: two good topics :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he

Qt Core: heavy storm today here, a couple little river coe out of their place too
Qt Core: come*
Mickorod Renard: wow
Mickorod Renard: I know italy can suffer bad from flooding
arabella Ella: mick rain is fine as long as it is brit pitter patter ... but when it comes to excesses or bucketfulls it is another story ... and i have seen bad floods in the UK too
Mickorod Renard: have u noticed how anything that seems alive has water in it?
Qt Core: some metro and train lines in milan stopped... even the bulding of the tribunal was flooded in the basament
Mickorod Renard: yes,,maybe its the brit rain I love
arabella Ella: wow
arabella Ella: send us some rain here we have a heatwave
Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I don't see much of what is said on the local chat window ...
arabella Ella: brit soft rain though
Mickorod Renard: not always,,but often yes
Qt Core: and a car, passing mine covered me in water, i had no visibility for some seconds... and i was going at some 60 kmh
sophia Placebo: chat lag gaya?
arabella Ella: seems like u r a typical italian driver Qt ... ferrari or alfa?
Mickorod Renard: wow..sounds fun Qt
arabella Ella: :)
Qt Core: opel, with semiautomatic shift.... very italian ;-)
Mickorod Renard: does anyone /everyone know what a ford is?
Mickorod Renard: as in river crossing?
arabella Ella: not an italian from milan with an opel ... impossibile!
arabella Ella: aiuto
arabella Ella: chat lag is really bad tonite for me too
Mickorod Renard: I was dared once to go through a ford in my lil sports car
Mickorod Renard: it didnt seem deep
Udge Watanabe: :)
arabella Ella: so of course ... u took on the dare ... and ...
Mickorod Renard: anyway, I went for it and i actually went totally underwater
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: and lived to tell the tale
Mickorod Renard: like a submarine
sophia Placebo: and the car?
Qt Core: he lived... but the car ?
Mickorod Renard: I went so fast with high revs, I actually made it out
Udge Watanabe: wow
arabella Ella: he he
sophia Placebo: that should be on vedio mick
Mickorod Renard: but then I nearly killed myself cos my brakes wouldnt work
Qt Core: a little wet i think
Mickorod Renard: yes,,fun though
Mickorod Renard: Sophia looks part invisible to me
arabella Ella: sophia looks just fine to me :)
Mickorod Renard: ohh thats better
Udge Watanabe: ok to me too
sophia Placebo: :)
arabella Ella: have we just lost Gaya?
arabella Ella: owww
Qt Core: hping it keeps this way, no pb not with lag or with sophia
Mickorod Renard: I bet you have read some of Rumi's works Sophia?
sophia Placebo: no i didnt
Mickorod Renard: ohh
Udge Watanabe: b gaya
sophia Placebo: not much of his work here
Udge Watanabe: +wb
Udge Watanabe: I'm surprised, he is proibably the poet of Islam that most westerners are most likely to know
sophia Placebo: :)
sophia Placebo: i guess he is not arabic
Mickorod Renard: I am off to see a double play tommorow
Udge Watanabe: no, born in turkey/afghanistan, wrote in persian
Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks - had problems logging back in.
sophia Placebo: yes i noticed his works everywhere in iran , and in south asia websites , but he is not famous here
sophia Placebo: i had problems logging in too today
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia :) I can finally see you a bit.
sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
sophia Placebo: :)

I cant help asking sophia about her sturday pab talks

Mickorod Renard: will the talk on islam be on going this comming saturday Sophia?
sophia Placebo: i guess
Gaya Ethaniel: brb ...
Mickorod Renard: great,,unfortunately I will have to read the log as I am away
Mickorod Renard: but i find it very illuminating
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking,,it would be nice if people could be one with each other for the similarities,,rather than be seperate for their diferences
arabella Ella nods
sophia Placebo: thats the hard part
Qt Core: dangerous revolutionary in range, danger danger ;-)
sophia Placebo: hehe qt
Mickorod Renard: grin
Mickorod Renard: its funny, i guess i am a christian,,yet i have lots of questions I would like to ask about islam and stuff.but feel awkward asking
Qt Core: i'll have to read those logs too, wasn't able to be there
Udge Watanabe: why, mick?
Mickorod Renard: several reasons i suppose
sophia Placebo: where awkawrd feelings come from?
Qt Core: i think it is not a yet but a as
arabella Ella: i suppose it depends on how you word your questions
arabella Ella: so as to keep them restpectful
Mickorod Renard: one is a sense of loyalty to my expected beliefs
Udge Watanabe: mmmmm?
Mickorod Renard: then the strange expectations of those i live amongst
Mickorod Renard: and also not wishing to phrase a question in a way that may look offensive..even though I wouldnt mean too
Qt Core: some purist (just to not say fondamentalist) tell me i did something wrong when i read the Quran years ago, just knowing about another religion is felt as a betrayal and a near conversion
Udge Watanabe snorts
Udge Watanabe: oh dear.
sophia Placebo: well mick , as i tell many who would frown in my face just because im diffrent , this isnt about me nor about the belif for the belife it self , it is about you , your words wont hurt me , my words wont hurt you
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I face this too,,but I feel that knowledge and openness is something closer to God than restrictive practice
Udge Watanabe nods.
Qt Core: you don't know how good is say you have a Quran in your home dealing with unwanted Jeovah witnesses ;-)
Mickorod Renard: he he he
arabella Ella: :)
Udge Watanabe: I would like (at some time, not necessrily now) to unpack the sentence "a sense of loyalty to my expected beliefs"
arabella Ella: nice one Qt
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking a few mins ago,,about Jesus is in both Islam and Christianity
Mickorod Renard: oops
Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
sophia Placebo: well jesus is prophet in islam
Mickorod Renard: yes
sophia Placebo: he was born without father
sophia Placebo: but not son of god
sophia Placebo: thats the main diffrence
Udge Watanabe nods
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering whether this can be reconciled in any way?
sophia Placebo: what do you mean ?
Mickorod Renard: after all,,we are all children of God
sophia Placebo: well in islam we are all children of adam
Mickorod Renard: or have I that wrong too,,cos there was something about being beasts?
Mickorod Renard: not in a beastly way
Qt Core: that assume we all believe in God, mick
sophia Placebo: beasts ?
Mickorod Renard: cant remember the word used now
Mickorod Renard: like animals,,creatures?
sophia Placebo: creatures?
sophia Placebo: hehe
Mickorod Renard: yeh,,that sounds better
Mickorod Renard: grin
Mickorod Renard: true qt
sophia Placebo: ok i dont have much in my words bank
Mickorod Renard: nor me,,he he
sophia Placebo: but i assume the dynamic meaning of the word
Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats fine
sophia Placebo: as we all were created by god as the other world around us
Mickorod Renard: I come across lots of people that in the end have to speculate about the understanding of it all anyway
Mickorod Renard: but in much Christian works Jesus is described as 'the word of God'
sophia Placebo: a few years ago there was a tv series about jesus
Udge Watanabe: "the word made flesh" as John said.
sophia Placebo: not sure if there is english version of it
Mickorod Renard: yes?,,i would like to see that
sophia Placebo: i'll check that out and send you link if i found it
Mickorod Renard: but in many ways I think for the average Joe,,the technicallities are not so important,,just a desire to know God (or not)
Mickorod Renard: thanks Sophia
sophia Placebo: yw
sophia Placebo: i tried to understand - word of god - still trying
Mickorod Renard: I would have thought a prophet was a person who was familiar with the word of God
Mickorod Renard: I wonder if some things are lost in translation
sophia Placebo: maybe or maybe not
Mickorod Renard: You have mohamed too?
sophia Placebo: no ^^ not new one at least
sophia Placebo: maybe a cartoon for children
Mickorod Renard: so who are your prophets,,I was wondering where they live now?
Mickorod Renard: like for eg,,do they live with God?
sophia Placebo: in heavens i guess
Mickorod Renard: ok
sophia Placebo: live with god all their life time on earth and after death , there is no place where god is not in
Mickorod Renard: good point
sophia Placebo: our prophets are your prophets plus all prophets on earth
Mickorod Renard: ok,,I have to leave now,,thankyou so much
Qt Core: bye mick
Udge Watanabe: 'night mick, take care
sophia Placebo: some think that buddah was a prophet but still a theory and controversial
sophia Placebo: bye mick
Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats why i find it so odd that there is dificulty finding common ground amongst peoples
Mickorod Renard: well,,when i read of jesus i think he would have made a good budhist too
Mickorod Renard: ok Bye folks
Udge Watanabe: reue!
Udge Watanabe: *true
arabella Ella: i must go too
sophia Placebo: what common grounds are more than same same human shape and behaviour , still racisim arise
arabella Ella: nite everyone
sophia Placebo: bye ara
Qt Core: there is a book with the Dalai Lama commenting some pieces from the new new testament
Mickorod Renard: bye,,peace be with u all
Mickorod Renard: wow,,interesting Qt
Qt Core: bought it not yet read
Mickorod Renard: ok,c u soon
Udge Watanabe: I must go too, it's late and it has been a long day.
Qt Core: it was only the Gopspel (but i hadn't the word iin my mind)
Qt Core: bye Udge then
Udge Watanabe: goodnight, take care.
sophia Placebo: good night qt ^^
Qt Core: sleep well