2009.07.07 13:00 - Rumi-ging through poetry

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

    its Udges second Rez day...yipeee

    Udge Watanabe: hello mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Udge
    Mickorod Renard: sorry
    Udge Watanabe: no worries
    Mickorod Renard: I was reading some of rumi's poetry
    Mickorod Renard: ow re you keeping?
    Udge Watanabe: ah :)
    Mickorod Renard: How*
    Udge Watanabe: that's a worthy activity.
    Mickorod Renard: well, I think it is
    Udge Watanabe: I'm well, thanks
    Udge Watanabe: today is my rezday, I am two years old!
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,congrats
    Udge Watanabe: it seems a very long time :)
    Udge Watanabe: but also quite short
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I must be just over a year and a half
    Mickorod Renard: lots has passed in that time
    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
    Udge Watanabe: in both worlds, and in myself
    Udge Watanabe: some of that due to PaB :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,pab has been a revelation to me too
    Mickorod Renard: I would like to think it has been a tool in coordinating my thoughts

    I ask about Rumi and his poetry

    Mickorod Renard: are you familiar with Rumi's poetry Udge?

    Udge Watanabe: vaguely, I have read some of it. He's a name on my radar screen
    Udge Watanabe: I like his love poetry more than his poems in praise of god.
    Mickorod Renard: I see something like'token dull person',,he he
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: I think we are only dull to those who do not share similar interests
    Udge Watanabe: true :)
    Udge Watanabe: it depends on the context.
    Mickorod Renard: here is an interesting one from Rumi ;

     Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book nor from tongue.
     If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is illumination of heart.

    Mickorod Renard: I think his work,,at least to me,,is a work of puzzles
    arabella Ella: whose poetry is this mick?
    Udge Watanabe smiles and nods. The best poetry makes one work pretty hard :)
    Mickorod Renard: Rumi
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I like a good mystery
    arabella Ella: scuse my ignorance ... who is rumi?
    Mickorod Renard: ahh well
    Udge Watanabe laughs at the idea of you sitting with cigar in hand, choosing between Edgar Wallace and Rumi :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,he he he
    Udge Watanabe: Rumi was an Arabic poet, not long after the founding of Islam if I remember rightly
    Mickorod Renard: I guess i only looked at Rumi because of sophia's islamic pab
    Udge Watanabe: he wrote extensively about love, and also many songs in praise of Allah

    Udge Watanabe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi
    arabella Ella: oh so not so surprising he never crossed my path before

    Udge Watanabe: and I'm wrong, he was active in the 13th century

    arabella Ella: oh

    QT has a super new top

    Mickorod Renard: nice top Qt
    Mickorod Renard: which starship uniform is that?
    Udge Watanabe: good lord, yes :)
    Udge Watanabe: you're off duty today?
    Qt Core: ;-) just a reminder of my previous life in Google Lively, this outfit remind me of the av i had there
    Qt Core: (that is my first avatar ever)
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,so you have experience of a diferent universe,,other than sl?
    Qt Core: yes, the six month google lively was... alive
    arabella Ella: could you tell us something about your experience tthere Qt?
    Mickorod Renard: but i guess you prefer sl?
    arabella Ella: what you liked and did not like and how it compares?
    Qt Core: wel sl is miles and miles better on a technical pov, Lively was quieter and more cartoonish
    arabella Ella: and is lively more geared for teenagers?
    Qt Core: no money (yet) and no building things
    Qt Core: no, not really but as there was no age verification or adult content average user age was lowwer
    Qt Core: (i just come here in sl to follow a couple of friends that come here after thje closure of lively
    Qt Core: accomodatevi pure
    Mickorod Renard: I am not sure I need to address Iris
    arabella Ella: ciao Iris accomodatevi con noi
    Mickorod Renard: gave her a card
    arabella Ella: va bene ciao allora
    Qt Core: ok, buon divertimento
    Mickorod Renard: ciao
    arabella Ella: Mick she said she will go have a look around
    Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
    Mickorod Renard: so,,has anyone anything fun to talk about?
    arabella Ella: well i was impressed with the MJ memorial service on TV
    Mickorod Renard: I have noticed that i am falling in love with rain
    Udge Watanabe: two good topics :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Qt Core: heavy storm today here, a couple little river coe out of their place too
    Qt Core: come*
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Mickorod Renard: I know italy can suffer bad from flooding
    arabella Ella: mick rain is fine as long as it is brit pitter patter ... but when it comes to excesses or bucketfulls it is another story ... and i have seen bad floods in the UK too
    Mickorod Renard: have u noticed how anything that seems alive has water in it?
    Qt Core: some metro and train lines in milan stopped... even the bulding of the tribunal was flooded in the basament
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,maybe its the brit rain I love
    arabella Ella: wow
    arabella Ella: send us some rain here we have a heatwave
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I don't see much of what is said on the local chat window ...
    arabella Ella: brit soft rain though
    Mickorod Renard: not always,,but often yes
    Qt Core: and a car, passing mine covered me in water, i had no visibility for some seconds... and i was going at some 60 kmh
    sophia Placebo: chat lag gaya?
    arabella Ella: seems like u r a typical italian driver Qt ... ferrari or alfa?
    Mickorod Renard: wow..sounds fun Qt
    arabella Ella: :)
    Qt Core: opel, with semiautomatic shift.... very italian ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: does anyone /everyone know what a ford is?
    Mickorod Renard: as in river crossing?
    arabella Ella: not an italian from milan with an opel ... impossibile!
    arabella Ella: aiuto
    arabella Ella: chat lag is really bad tonite for me too
    Mickorod Renard: I was dared once to go through a ford in my lil sports car
    Mickorod Renard: it didnt seem deep
    Udge Watanabe: :)
    arabella Ella: so of course ... u took on the dare ... and ...
    Mickorod Renard: anyway, I went for it and i actually went totally underwater
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: and lived to tell the tale
    Mickorod Renard: like a submarine
    sophia Placebo: and the car?
    Qt Core: he lived... but the car ?
    Mickorod Renard: I went so fast with high revs, I actually made it out
    Udge Watanabe: wow
    arabella Ella: he he
    sophia Placebo: that should be on vedio mick
    Mickorod Renard: but then I nearly killed myself cos my brakes wouldnt work
    Qt Core: a little wet i think
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,fun though
    Mickorod Renard: Sophia looks part invisible to me
    arabella Ella: sophia looks just fine to me :)
    Mickorod Renard: ohh thats better
    Udge Watanabe: ok to me too
    sophia Placebo: :)
    arabella Ella: have we just lost Gaya?
    arabella Ella: owww
    Qt Core: hping it keeps this way, no pb not with lag or with sophia
    Mickorod Renard: I bet you have read some of Rumi's works Sophia?
    sophia Placebo: no i didnt
    Mickorod Renard: ohh
    Udge Watanabe: b gaya
    sophia Placebo: not much of his work here
    Udge Watanabe: +wb
    Udge Watanabe: I'm surprised, he is proibably the poet of Islam that most westerners are most likely to know
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: i guess he is not arabic
    Mickorod Renard: I am off to see a double play tommorow
    Udge Watanabe: no, born in turkey/afghanistan, wrote in persian
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks - had problems logging back in.
    sophia Placebo: yes i noticed his works everywhere in iran , and in south asia websites , but he is not famous here
    sophia Placebo: i had problems logging in too today
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia :) I can finally see you a bit.
    sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
    sophia Placebo: :)

    I cant help asking sophia about her sturday pab talks

    Mickorod Renard: will the talk on islam be on going this comming saturday Sophia?
    sophia Placebo: i guess
    Gaya Ethaniel: brb ...
    Mickorod Renard: great,,unfortunately I will have to read the log as I am away
    Mickorod Renard: but i find it very illuminating
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking,,it would be nice if people could be one with each other for the similarities,,rather than be seperate for their diferences
    arabella Ella nods
    sophia Placebo: thats the hard part
    Qt Core: dangerous revolutionary in range, danger danger ;-)
    sophia Placebo: hehe qt
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: its funny, i guess i am a christian,,yet i have lots of questions I would like to ask about islam and stuff.but feel awkward asking
    Qt Core: i'll have to read those logs too, wasn't able to be there
    Udge Watanabe: why, mick?
    Mickorod Renard: several reasons i suppose
    sophia Placebo: where awkawrd feelings come from?
    Qt Core: i think it is not a yet but a as
    arabella Ella: i suppose it depends on how you word your questions
    arabella Ella: so as to keep them restpectful
    Mickorod Renard: one is a sense of loyalty to my expected beliefs
    Udge Watanabe: mmmmm?
    Mickorod Renard: then the strange expectations of those i live amongst
    Mickorod Renard: and also not wishing to phrase a question in a way that may look offensive..even though I wouldnt mean too
    Qt Core: some purist (just to not say fondamentalist) tell me i did something wrong when i read the Quran years ago, just knowing about another religion is felt as a betrayal and a near conversion
    Udge Watanabe snorts
    Udge Watanabe: oh dear.
    sophia Placebo: well mick , as i tell many who would frown in my face just because im diffrent , this isnt about me nor about the belif for the belife it self , it is about you , your words wont hurt me , my words wont hurt you
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I face this too,,but I feel that knowledge and openness is something closer to God than restrictive practice
    Udge Watanabe nods.
    Qt Core: you don't know how good is say you have a Quran in your home dealing with unwanted Jeovah witnesses ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    arabella Ella: :)
    Udge Watanabe: I would like (at some time, not necessrily now) to unpack the sentence "a sense of loyalty to my expected beliefs"
    arabella Ella: nice one Qt
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking a few mins ago,,about Jesus is in both Islam and Christianity
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    Udge Watanabe: mmhmm
    sophia Placebo: well jesus is prophet in islam
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    sophia Placebo: he was born without father
    sophia Placebo: but not son of god
    sophia Placebo: thats the main diffrence
    Udge Watanabe nods
    Mickorod Renard: I was wondering whether this can be reconciled in any way?
    sophia Placebo: what do you mean ?
    Mickorod Renard: after all,,we are all children of God
    sophia Placebo: well in islam we are all children of adam
    Mickorod Renard: or have I that wrong too,,cos there was something about being beasts?
    Mickorod Renard: not in a beastly way
    Qt Core: that assume we all believe in God, mick
    sophia Placebo: beasts ?
    Mickorod Renard: cant remember the word used now
    Mickorod Renard: like animals,,creatures?
    sophia Placebo: creatures?
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: yeh,,that sounds better
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Mickorod Renard: true qt
    sophia Placebo: ok i dont have much in my words bank
    Mickorod Renard: nor me,,he he
    sophia Placebo: but i assume the dynamic meaning of the word
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats fine
    sophia Placebo: as we all were created by god as the other world around us
    Mickorod Renard: I come across lots of people that in the end have to speculate about the understanding of it all anyway
    Mickorod Renard: but in much Christian works Jesus is described as 'the word of God'
    sophia Placebo: a few years ago there was a tv series about jesus
    Udge Watanabe: "the word made flesh" as John said.
    sophia Placebo: not sure if there is english version of it
    Mickorod Renard: yes?,,i would like to see that
    sophia Placebo: i'll check that out and send you link if i found it
    Mickorod Renard: but in many ways I think for the average Joe,,the technicallities are not so important,,just a desire to know God (or not)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Sophia
    sophia Placebo: yw
    sophia Placebo: i tried to understand - word of god - still trying
    Mickorod Renard: I would have thought a prophet was a person who was familiar with the word of God
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder if some things are lost in translation
    sophia Placebo: maybe or maybe not
    Mickorod Renard: You have mohamed too?
    sophia Placebo: no ^^ not new one at least
    sophia Placebo: maybe a cartoon for children
    Mickorod Renard: so who are your prophets,,I was wondering where they live now?
    Mickorod Renard: like for eg,,do they live with God?
    sophia Placebo: in heavens i guess
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    sophia Placebo: live with god all their life time on earth and after death , there is no place where god is not in
    Mickorod Renard: good point
    sophia Placebo: our prophets are your prophets plus all prophets on earth
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I have to leave now,,thankyou so much
    Qt Core: bye mick
    Udge Watanabe: 'night mick, take care
    sophia Placebo: some think that buddah was a prophet but still a theory and controversial
    sophia Placebo: bye mick
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats why i find it so odd that there is dificulty finding common ground amongst peoples
    Mickorod Renard: well,,when i read of jesus i think he would have made a good budhist too
    Mickorod Renard: ok Bye folks
    Udge Watanabe: reue!
    Udge Watanabe: *true
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    sophia Placebo: what common grounds are more than same same human shape and behaviour , still racisim arise
    arabella Ella: nite everyone
    sophia Placebo: bye ara
    Qt Core: there is a book with the Dalai Lama commenting some pieces from the new new testament
    Mickorod Renard: bye,,peace be with u all
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,interesting Qt
    Qt Core: bought it not yet read
    Mickorod Renard: ok,c u soon
    Udge Watanabe: I must go too, it's late and it has been a long day.
    Qt Core: it was only the Gopspel (but i hadn't the word iin my mind)
    Qt Core: bye Udge then
    Udge Watanabe: goodnight, take care.
    sophia Placebo: good night qt ^^
    Qt Core: sleep well

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