2009.07.10 07:00 - The world seems to be looking at me strangely these days...

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    The Guardian for this meeting was quen Oh. The comments are by quen Oh.

    Adams Rubble: hello Quen :)
    quen Oh: hey Adams!
    quen Oh: how are you?
    Adams Rubble: I am well, how about you?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    quen Oh: very busy, but looking forward to a relaxed summer
    Eliza Madrigal: Aloha
    quen Oh: hi Eliza! how are you?
    Adams Rubble: Yes, a little relaxing would be nice :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Quen, Long time no see :)
    quen Oh: hi Eliza, indeed
    Adams Rubble: Nice that Eliza is contrasting our black.
    quen Oh: was not here much
    quen Oh: the purple hair?
    Eliza Madrigal: Between your hair Adams, and my sheer jacket, we're quite balanced...
    Adams Rubble: wisteria hair :)
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: She talks kinda lazy and people say she's crazy... allalaa
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry :)
    Adams Rubble: I should have a young Jane Finda line to go with my hair
    quen Oh: funny I have been at the hairdresser today, she and I had an ongoing joke about how my (own coloured brownish) hair had the exact right shade of purple, lol now a lot of people think we are colourblind
    Eliza Madrigal: I lke your new hair a lot
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: lol we are in clothing from white - grey - black
    Eliza Madrigal: brb
    quen Oh: so what's new in PaB lately?
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm
    quen Oh: what''s the latest gossip?
    quen Oh grins
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble thinks
    Adams Rubble: Wol is away travelling
    quen Oh: somewhere far?
    quen Oh: she is german if I am correct, right?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: visiting Canada and US
    quen Oh: (sorry bell, difficult to get used to pff)
    quen Oh: ah nice, so she is doing a continental tour wow!
    Adams Rubble: the PaB listener interrupted itself (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    quen Oh: really funny indeed
    Adams Rubble: Otherwise I am afraid I am not up on the gossip
    quen Oh: ah and as you cannot gossip about yourself..
    quen Oh: that wouldn't be gossip..
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Adams Rubble: I am leading many lives (giggles)
    Adams Rubble: but i won't tell
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: And you Quen?
    Eliza Madrigal: Aside from wearing very elegant shoes....?
    quen Oh: well lol thanks for the compliment
    quen Oh: nothing exciting here I am afraid
    So from clothes and gossip we come to the latest in PaB:
    Adams Rubble: There have been more and more theme sessions lately but I am afraid I have not attened most of them
    quen Oh: I am quite sure I have not attended them
    quen Oh: so what theme you missed most?
    Eliza Madrigal: I read the Three/Pema/Eos session, and sat in on the last one... wonderful
    quen Oh: interesting will look that up
    Adams Rubble: The last one doesn;t seem to be posted yet
    quen Oh: I am sure it will come
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, there is a focus on phenomenology, but if one, like me, stumbles a bit with the word, then just hearing it in light of other discussions here helps :)
    quen Oh: have to post my solo session of last week stil, now I come to think of it
    quen Oh: not very exciting
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    quen Oh: I imagine it does, can be interesting to have more perspectives on something
    quen Oh: how are you stumbling with pheno?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well it is funny... When I approach it as 'learning phenomenolgy' I somehow get out a file of other philosophical ideas and they get in the way...hehe
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: in the way?
    quen Oh: perhaps just let the ideas stumble on you?
    Eliza Madrigal: When I hear discussions of phenomenology they way they are taking place in the theme sessions, then it is easy/clear and has a true context to my own adventures :)
    quen Oh: how are they related to your own adventures then Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I think 'trying' is the thing there. I think after these, and also due to workshops and things I'm reading, there is more cohesiveness
    quen Oh: sounds interesting
    quen Oh: ah?
    Eliza Madrigal: This direct knowledge idea has hooked me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: But honestly, right now I'm in a kind of wave of discovery that makes it difficult to articulate..nice to share though :)
    quen Oh: direct knowledge
    Adams Rubble: I know what you meaning about difficulty to articulate
    quen Oh: intuition?
    Eliza Madrigal: Let me find the link to that first session... one moment :)
    Adams Rubble: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...ultiple_senses
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, quick guns Adams :)
    quen Oh: indeed!
    Adams Rubble blows the smoke off her fingers
    quen Oh: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: and yes, I don't see the next log. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So yes I find the theme sessions that are going great....and Sophia/Wol's session on Islam has been wonderful too.
    Adams Rubble: interesting line: Pema Pera: space and time and cognition, you could say, could be seen as the fibers of reality, the stage of reality
    Eliza Madrigal nods... you begin to see why Pema always uses the word 'radical'
    quen Oh: ;-)
    quen Oh: it is what we need in order to be able to process reality it seems
    Adams Rubble: and yes to the Islam session in which I began to see something I was missing
    Adams Rubble: That is, it is our identities that often limit what we think we can do or be
    Eliza Madrigal: 'we are more than we think we are' and the cages are illusions
    Eliza Madrigal: Is the same thing, in a way? Seeing more directly and therefore the seeming grip of a limitation can fall away
    quen Oh: could be, but if you go a little deeper it is the whole construct of our past experiences around the phenomena space and time, and how that appears to provide 'consistent' perspectives in which we 'trust' which could limit us
    quen Oh: identities only being a set of concept among that
    quen Oh: concepts*
    Eliza Madrigal nods... yes one pointer
    Eliza Madrigal: The play process though, of being malleable to see at various views at a time... very freeing... very connecting with others
    Adams Rubble: quen, could say a bit more about that?
    quen Oh: mmm to call space and time phenomena is odd, sorry
    quen Oh: dimensions
    quen Oh: which is funny as dimension is about size and measure, and mostly we measure related to ourselves
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: We can step out and look at ourselves from another perspective
    quen Oh: well if we measure something, it seems that something is 'fixed'
    Adams Rubble: see oursel;ves playing our roles
    Eliza Madrigal nods. Once I watched my daughter... she was two, pull a tiny chair from her dollhouse and try to sit in it. She realized as she went to sit down that her dimensions were off, looked at me blankly, then just went about things another way.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: so also the relation to ourselves is fixed and the 'size' or 'duration' is fixed, but is an illusion too
    quen Oh: lol!!!'
    quen Oh: nice Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    quen Oh: she had perhaps the imagination to place herself in the tiny doll house world and forgot the scale difference
    Eliza Madrigal: exactly... watching her notice opened doors also
    quen Oh: it is funny, I am trying to teach my architecture student to alternate between different scale levels, is more difficult for grown ups
    quen Oh: maybe
    Eliza Madrigal: I was at a distance, but also seeing through her eyes what she was seeing
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, does it seem so quen?
    Eliza Madrigal: Adults can be very hard on themselves
    quen Oh: it requires abstract thinking, and to detach from the normal personal perspective, perhaps some people get too much conditioned to hold the common perspective
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    quen Oh: how do you mean Eliza, adults being hard on themselves?
    Adams Rubble: Our identities make us believe we can't do things or learn things
    Eliza Madrigal: Just that adults often are aware of things they have to 'lose' by freely/shamelessly perhaps, diving into things
    quen Oh: perhaps they are being easy on themselves, to refrain to an orderly world, in which the right perspective is clear ;-) that can be seen as limited, but too as safe perhaps?
    quen Oh: diving into things, nice expression
    quen Oh: who do you do that?
    Adams Rubble: Now if we look at the world with childlike eyes...
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, yes to that also...trying to keep things 'orderly' ... nt geot messy sometimes...like sculpting without touching
    quen Oh grins, I am a licensed child, I get to draw and colour and glue paper and carboard, I stumble through sand and dirt on building sites, I have a very nice job lol
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes you do Quen!
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    quen Oh: and when you think up something weird, they just call it creative lol
    quen Oh: or 'out of the box'
    Eliza Madrigal: Hhaha
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: what a great way to look at it :)
    quen Oh: you should see my hands sometimes
    Adams Rubble: does it carry over into other parts of your ife?
    Adams Rubble: life
    quen Oh: how to make a serious impression at handshake when they look like the avarege toddlers hands
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: lol obviously, I can fall over things on the ground, because I walk looking up to buildings or dream, and I have the perfect excuse haha
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I admit I haven't quite been able to write off my 'quirks' in the eyes of the world yet :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    Adams Rubble: The world seems to be looking at me strangely these days
    quen Oh: what quirks Eliza?
    quen Oh: and why would you want to write them off?
    quen Oh looks stragely at Adams
    quen Oh: strangely*
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal also looks strangely at Adams
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, just an expression... but I do think the 'childlike' may be key... allowing oneself to be open
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh looks totally weird at Adams now
    Eliza Madrigal: HAhaha
    Adams Rubble getting used to that look
    quen Oh: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that's the idea :)
    quen Oh: children are less conditioned and open perhaps, you mean?
    Adams Rubble: so far no one has called the authorities
    quen Oh: too bad would like to have them look weird too
    Eliza Madrigal snickers
    Adams Rubble: haha
    quen Oh remembers the ministry of silly walks
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: would there be a ministry of weird looking?
    Eliza Madrigal: now there would
    quen Oh: sily expressions
    quen Oh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
    Eliza Madrigal: Nothing funnier..hehe..
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid that on that note I must depart :)
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZOlrZNIod0
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no time for harpo? hehe
    Adams Rubble: Hope the rest of thre day is good for you both :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Adams, lovely to see you this morning
    Adams Rubble: no Harpo, alas
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    quen Oh: I need to go too, bye Adams!
    quen Oh: haha
    quen Oh: will take that with me Eliza :-)
    quen Oh: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Quen, it was nice to see you. I take Fridays offline often, but I wanted to peek in on you and say Hello:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye :)
    quen Oh: always nice to have see you too Eliza!
    quen Oh: good you did so!
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