2009.07.10 13:00 - When Love is The Topic

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

     I arrived first , Shayama showed up shortly after and asked if there was a meeting going on . Eliza and Sunfire joined us too .

    Shayama was wondering about the nature of discussions held at Pab.

    sophia Placebo: hello shayama
    sophia Placebo: the usuall one yes
    sophia Placebo: hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama, Sophia :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, you are new each time I see you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Very elegant today
    sophia Placebo: hehe , you too eliza
    sophia Placebo: ty :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Shyama, I think we've met briefly... Good to see you :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: yes..iv been here short moments..lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: not understandin all that is discussed though...lol
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Isn't that the fun part? hha
    sophia Placebo: i dont think i do either
    Shyama Sheryffe: it is very interesting anyhow
    Eliza Madrigal: The landscape varies... areas easy to walk on, then sharp drop offs
    Shyama Sheryffe: have u been long doing this ?
    Eliza Madrigal: I found PaB on Valentine's Day of this year :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So, nearly 5 months
    Shyama Sheryffe: that is long...
    Eliza Madrigal: It seems like a blip :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: do u have a topic planned or do u just make it up
    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, are we about the same PaB age?
    sophia Placebo: make it up most of time
    Shyama Sheryffe: nods
    sophia Placebo: i dont remmebr eliza , didnt keep track of time these days
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
    sophia Placebo: maybe 3 months though
    Eliza Madrigal nods... seems about right :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sophia, my daughter had senior pictures scheduled, otherwise I would not have missed your last session.
    sophia Placebo: ^^ daughters comes first
    Eliza Madrigal: Of course, I did read the logs. :)
    sophia Placebo: have you found it helpful ?
    Shyama Sheryffe: r u supposed to mediatate when the bell rings ?
    Eliza Madrigal: I've found it beautiful actually... seeing 'devotion' through another's eyes, in a way
    sophia Placebo: if you can shayama
    Shyama Sheryffe: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Shy, sort of.. the idea is to 'drop what you have to just be' :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: to stop..
    Eliza Madrigal nods... Well that's what I relate to in them...dropping stories and stresses
    Eliza Madrigal: everyone has their own take I guess :)
    sophia Placebo nods
    Shyama Sheryffe: i closed my eyes and breethed
    sophia Placebo: then...?
    Shyama Sheryffe: then i cam back to chat..lol
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: well , what about whil breathing ?
    Shyama Sheryffe: i emptied my head
    sophia Placebo: yes , breathing is magical
    Shyama Sheryffe: just breathing in and out
    sophia Placebo: yes
    sophia Placebo: i just discover that in pab
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: what do u talk about normally

    Eliza Madrigal: I heard someoen say that if one does nothing else but notice their breathing, the world for them will radically change

    Love as a Topic

    sophia Placebo: hello sun
    Eliza Madrigal: Lately I find myself checking posture also. At the computer it is easy to slump.
    Eliza Madrigal: Anything Shy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sunfire :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi Sun
    sophia Placebo: he might be right to some extends
    Sunfire Langer: Hello
    Sunfire Langer: concentrating on your breathing brings the mind back to the body
    Shyama Sheryffe: ty for reminding me Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods... connection
    Shyama Sheryffe: straightens heself
    sophia Placebo: well shayama variouse things , hard to summarize , better to check pab logs in wiki
    Eliza Madrigal: Is there a topic which comes to mind?
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Sunfire Langer: love?
    Eliza Madrigal: Love is always a great topic :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: love is good one yes :)
    sophia Placebo: thats simply hard
    Eliza Madrigal: To discuss, Sophia?
    sophia Placebo: to appreciate
    sophia Placebo: thats why we discusse it many times me thinks
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Sunfire Langer: what difficulty have you found, sophia?
    sophia Placebo: not difficult but soo simple
    Eliza Madrigal: Love as Compassion seems to come up quite a lot these days
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sunfire Langer: 'As far as possible without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...'
    Shyama Sheryffe: compassion is a bit cooler than love ?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes.. go placidly amidst the noise and haste...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Cooler, Shy?
    Shyama Sheryffe: isnt ir..not so involving
    Eliza Madrigal: I think of it as hotter lately...
    Shyama Sheryffe: u can be compassionate with the poor
    Sunfire Langer: compassion may be as little as listening with your heart, not your head
    Shyama Sheryffe: but to love menas u r involved
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, a seeing through to the heart of things and of people
    Sunfire Langer: listen not to the literal sentences mean, but what the person is telling you
    Sunfire Langer: to what*
    Eliza Madrigal: compassion as charity...yes charity can seem distant
    Shyama Sheryffe: to me love is personal
    Shyama Sheryffe: compassion...u can be compassinate with pple u dont know
    sophia Placebo: preciouse

    Types of Love

    Shyama Sheryffe: but of course there r different kind of love
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... and it is funny that our definitions change
    Shyama Sheryffe: is there a definition for love
    Sunfire Langer: i wonder... what if we try and see where the distinctions are between the different kinds?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: there is love between lovers
    Shyama Sheryffe: and between mother and child

    Sunfire left

    sophia Placebo: he vanished
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...booted I imagine
    Eliza Madrigal: May be back :)
    sophia Placebo: yes
    Shyama Sheryffe: and love to ones friends
    sophia Placebo: and love to one self
    Shyama Sheryffe: religious love

    Love Everything

    Eliza Madrigal: What about what we all share... an essense which has nothing to do roles or conditions?
    Shyama Sheryffe: love to god
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe that is the same
    Shyama Sheryffe: yes
    sophia Placebo: love to all things and poeple eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... that love :)
    sophia Placebo: hmm
    Eliza Madrigal: love that endures no matter what conditions there may or may not be
    sophia Placebo: cant love snakes
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Shyama Sheryffe: and bugs
    sophia Placebo: should we love things?
    Shyama Sheryffe: no
    Eliza Madrigal: It might be a kind of love when someone tries to relate... too see through another's eyes..even maybe a snake's?
    Eliza Madrigal: even maybe a tree?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: love is connection somekind
    Shyama Sheryffe: feeling of oneness
    Eliza Madrigal: oneness, yes :)

    Love and Bugs

    sophia Placebo: well i may love somethings a snake may have , but certainly not -the snake-
    Shyama Sheryffe: u dont feel connection with snake sophia..lol
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe... yes it was difficult to love mosquitoes watching fireworks last week :)
    sophia Placebo: oh yes , imagine we can talk with mosqitoes
    sophia Placebo: please can you stop sucking my blood and tried that donkey there - you say to mosqito after getting you patience deprived as you let that mosqito suck a little out of generositi , then the donky sigh and say - typical human -
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha!!
    Shyama Sheryffe: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it would go exactly like that... get what you need from over 'there' mosquito
    sophia Placebo: hehe yes
    Eliza Madrigal: So would love then say "Sure...take all you like... I will learn to love itching"
    Shyama Sheryffe: and he would say.. thatk u for ur suggestion
    Shyama Sheryffe: and u would have a connection and love eachotere
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    sophia Placebo: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Some relationships are like that
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Shyama Sheryffe: hm..yes..lol
    sophia Placebo: like mosquito and itching ?
    Eliza Madrigal: YES
    Eliza Madrigal: Not really...but maybe not so far off... sorta kidding :)
    sophia Placebo: thought so

    Love and Science

    Shyama Sheryffe: i think scientist do not se love exixting
    Shyama Sheryffe: its a mental disturbance
    Shyama Sheryffe: fro them
    Eliza Madrigal: What makes you think so?
    Shyama Sheryffe: it cnat be prooved in laboratorium
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah.. I see...yes difficult to pinpoint
    Shyama Sheryffe: it is subjective
    sophia Placebo: so what if it was really only a brain chemicals , would that make love something of less value ?
    Shyama Sheryffe: no
    Eliza Madrigal: I think we get back to kinds of love when talking about subjective and objective.... Love is total
    sophia Placebo: or at least it has a chemical part
    Shyama Sheryffe: love is the value
    Eliza Madrigal: Physical love is chemical.... oxytocin
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or that physical bonding in any event... like a drug
    Shyama Sheryffe: yes..biological
    Shyama Sheryffe: making u grazy to have u ready to continue species
    sophia Placebo: hmm , i guess it should be more than one neuro transmitter
    sophia Placebo: but nvm
    Eliza Madrigal: that is the chemical released between mother/child when breastfeeding... and I believe the same that surges in 'first love' so strongly
    sophia Placebo: i should check that out
    Eliza Madrigal: is an interesting thought sophia, yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: That's what they say, Shy . Are we getting cynical? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: we shouldnt
    Shyama Sheryffe: therei s LOVE
    Eliza Madrigal: YES :)

    Love in our Dialy life

    Eliza Madrigal: Which brings me back to thanking you again Sophia, for opening the word 'devotion' up again... certainly an all-consuming type of love
    Eliza Madrigal: I hadn't really 'heard' that word in a while
    sophia Placebo: :) yw
    sophia Placebo: it is hard to live in all materialistic environment i guess , for me at least
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I agree... difficult for that to be the common ground when it seems so backwards
    Eliza Madrigal: That is one thing wonderful about here... remembering to take 'things' lightly
    sophia Placebo: backwards?
    sophia Placebo: yeah , laugh and earth would laugh with you
    Eliza Madrigal: that things we have/do are side issues... the essential/love is the common ground?
    Shyama Sheryffe: nods :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And yet in society those aren't the things we often talk about
    Eliza Madrigal: Here we do :)
    sophia Placebo nods
    Shyama Sheryffe: why is that so
    sophia Placebo: though love is all songs and movies
    Eliza Madrigal: We feel exposed perhaps when we "really" talk about our hearts rather than heads
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal is as much of a sap as anyone when it comes to songs and movies ...hehe
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: oops, its getting late
    sophia Placebo: bye shayama
    Shyama Sheryffe: im off to bed
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shyama, Nice talking with you
    sophia Placebo: happy dreams
    Shyama Sheryffe: ty u for nice talk
    Eliza Madrigal: : )
    Shyama Sheryffe: nite...
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, it has been a lovely talk.... an a quiet talk :)
    Eliza Madrigal: *and
    sophia Placebo: hehe yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I won't keep you, Sophia. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    sophia Placebo: :) bye

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