2009.07.15 07:00 - The Wind From a Certain Mountain

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

    This was a long session in two parts, owing to the region requiring a reboot about 45 minutes in. A new friend 'ommi' arrived first, then Fefonz, Sophia, and Mick. Thanks to ommi's enthusiasm we quickly plunged right into wonderful topics, enjoyed shared energy, and eventually eased out of the session considering emptiness and passion. 

    Eliza Madrigal: Hello ommi
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Fef
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Eliza!
    Fefonz Quan: hello ommi
    ommi Zenfold: Hi Fefonz:)
    Fefonz Quan: have you been here before?
    ommi Zenfold: I have been to the Kant discussions, through Kira
    ommi Zenfold: but not here
    ommi Zenfold: I'm very interested in what you do - i think it's wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: thanks :)
    ommi Zenfold: yw!
    ommi Zenfold: do you get a regular group or is it pretty much it and miss?
    ommi Zenfold: (ty for the notecard)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd say it goes in waves ommi
    ommi Zenfold: nods..
    Fefonz Quan: i just want to aknowledge you ommi that we record our sessins here, and put it on our web stie
    ommi Zenfold: ok that's fine :)
    Fefonz Quan: site*
    Fefonz Quan: cool
    ommi Zenfold: ty for mentioning it
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Mick
    ommi Zenfold: Hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    Mickorod Renard: dont know whether i have ever met you Ommi,,before
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: hi
    ommi Zenfold: no, i don't think we've met :)
    ommi Zenfold: hi :)
    ommi Zenfold: so how do your sessions work? do you throw out a general question, Eliza? to start things off?
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes one comes with a question
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you have a topic today ommi? :)
    ommi Zenfold: well, sure :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    ommi's question

    ommi Zenfold: i wondered whether the group considers play as being as an expression of our spiritual journeys and as part of our spiritual growth, spiritual being a broadly defined word of course..
    ommi Zenfold: and i'm interested in how others perceive this concept
    Mickorod Renard: hi Sophia
    ommi Zenfold: Hi Sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :))
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't have a problem characterizing our playing as spiritual, but can't speak for the whole group. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think each of us has a compatible angle
    ommi Zenfold: great :)
    Fefonz Quan: don't know for the group as a whole, for myself i do see it as a part of my spiritual growth
    ommi Zenfold: yes, i pretty see everything we do as that lol
    Fefonz Quan: (but then we should ask what is spiritual growth ;-))
    Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly!
    Mickorod Renard: I think I would go along with that too
    ommi Zenfold: right
    ommi Zenfold: might belong in another category though - to define where it leads us is a big topic
    Mickorod Renard: It certainly broadens ones views on diferent spitital angles
    Fefonz Quan: spititial sounds nice
    Mickorod Renard: spiritual*
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    ommi Zenfold: typonese :)
    ommi Zenfold: so, what would you say are particular "spiritual angles "
    ommi Zenfold: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of us are more focused on spiritual aspects than others perhaps, and we share an interest in meditation I think
    ommi Zenfold: k
    Mickorod Renard: I was lost for an appropriate word..so I used angle instaed of thingy
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah... :) First, forgive me for being a tad slow because I've had only a few hrs of sleep after seeing Harry Potter last night..heh
    Fefonz Quan: for me spiritual means better knowing of self and the nature of teh world, and PaB has given me much in that sense
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Fefonz Quan: maybe mick meant 'spiritual angels' :)
    ommi Zenfold: that's great Fefonz - that's what i love about Kira - we can talk about those things
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,we are all those Fef
    Fefonz Quan: Ah, eliza, how was is? worth a visit to the cinema?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think so. It was far smoother as a film than they've been to now, and very funny :) You have to realize though that my kids are fanatics so we'd go even if it was terrible !
    sophia Placebo: pab is a thoughtfull moments for me
    sophia Placebo: hehe Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I'd agree. I was thinking this week that in Play as Being we seem to share the intention of overlap...looking for shared experience rather than mere debate, etc
    sophia Placebo: Harry books are much better than its movies
    Mickorod Renard: when I started here I was worried that it was all budhist,,but I now feel there has been a more unifying element to the openness about diferent beliefs
    Eliza Madrigal: Absolutely Sophia... so many little details
    ommi Zenfold: unity is an important word i think, when we talk about spiritualism
    Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly, and we are such a diverse group with so many paradigms
    Mickorod Renard: can u say more on that Ommi?
    ommi Zenfold: oh yeah
    ommi Zenfold: lol
    sophia Placebo: yes ^^ the all flavour is of the detailed feeling thoughts and douts are extracted from movies
    Mickorod Renard: he he ..got ya
    ommi Zenfold: my personal belief system is all about unity, interpersonal and intrapersonal.. i see us all as working/growing towards a reunification with the true nature of being, consciousness, or love
    ommi Zenfold: not sure how to put it
    ommi Zenfold: but i think life is a chance for us to grow
    Eliza Madrigal: That's pretty clear!
    ommi Zenfold: we learn from each other
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ommi Zenfold: ty lol
    ommi Zenfold: and we learn from our own experiences if we're lucky
    Eliza Madrigal: If we are attentive I believe we do
    ommi Zenfold: so play is a wonderful way to do all that
    ommi Zenfold: yes
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: (and sophia, Yes they have been to now. I'm more hopefu about the rest of the films having seen this one and knowing it will be the same director)
    Fefonz Quan: 'play it till you make it', if i may change the old saying
    Eliza Madrigal: not bad Fef :)
    ommi Zenfold: lol Fefonz - like that
    ommi Zenfold: i suspect it's exactly what we do whether we realize it or not
    ommi Zenfold: so, there are many levels to play

    being already there

    Fefonz Quan: yes, some might say that whenplaying we are already there
    ommi Zenfold: constructive and destructive
    ommi Zenfold: naturally constructive is preferrable
    ommi Zenfold: necessary even
    ommi Zenfold: though i guess destructive play teaches as well
    Fefonz Quan: have you read about our 9-sec practice Ommi?
    Mickorod Renard: whats your specialist subject in RL Ommi?
    ommi Zenfold: Fef, no i haven't, and Mick, i don't have one :)
    Mickorod Renard: ;)

    light conversation and comparsions

    Eliza Madrigal notices ommi and I were born in SL near the same time :)
    ommi Zenfold: cool :)
    ommi Zenfold: 1/23 is a special day for me on a personal level eliza :)
    ommi Zenfold: a rl annivesary :)
    ommi Zenfold: what's the 9 sec practice Fef?
    sophia Placebo: how come you log in to sl on that day then?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) Auspicious for us
    ommi Zenfold: yes
    ommi Zenfold: actually i did a little before Soph
    ommi Zenfold: happenstance:)
    ommi Zenfold: ty Fef - going to check that out now
    Fefonz Quan: ah, reincarnation then ? :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was sl born on x mas eve
    sophia Placebo: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Neat Mick...seems funny! Did you buy yourself a new computer?
    ommi Zenfold: great present yes lol
    Mickorod Renard: noo,,I had been away,,and had dificulties flying back due to weather,,read a book during wait and in it was reference about SL,,and up to that point hadnt heard of it,,so as soon as I walked in home,i put pc on and signed up
    Mickorod Renard: voila

    this 9 second pause, winds and splashes 

    Fefonz Quan: the 9-sec http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio..._in_a_Nutshell
    ommi Zenfold: i saw a movie, think it ws charles bronson - he was japanese peasant, worked in the fields...when the wind blew from a certain mountain, everyone would stop and pause for a moment to appreciate the universe.. this 9 sec pause reminds me of that
    Eliza Madrigal: :) such a little thing... a question "What's that like?" and then to all this :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ommi that is lovely !
    ommi Zenfold: isn't it? i loved it too
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,i was thinking that too
    ommi Zenfold: and have incorporated it into my behavior lol
    ommi Zenfold: the wind blows, i stop and think
    ommi Zenfold: ha
    Fefonz Quan: yes, great example on the 9-sec :)
    ommi Zenfold: cool :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I experience our pauses very much that way... as opening a window for a breeze always ptesent
    ommi Zenfold: literally lol
    Eliza Madrigal: *present
    ommi Zenfold: yes
    ommi Zenfold: i use a few keys like that
    Fefonz Quan: 'the wind blows, so i can stop'
    Mickorod Renard: fantastic
    ommi Zenfold: certain symbols for certain people or experiences... they help me reflect
    ommi Zenfold: a message from my personal universe, which i am permitted time to consider Fef :)
    Mickorod Renard: someone would have to throw a bicket of water over me to make me break off from what i am usually engrossed in
    Mickorod Renard: bucket
    ommi Zenfold: you must be very focused Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so you could visualize the pauses as a bucket of water Mick! :)
    ommi Zenfold: eek lol
    Mickorod Renard: he he ..if only
    Eliza Madrigal: or a cool splash from the fountain
    ommi Zenfold: much gentler :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I very rarely manage to take the 9 secs
    Fefonz Quan: and then you have 15 minutes to dry off before the next one :)
    ommi Zenfold: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, yes Fef...or to contemplate the droplets as they fall
    ommi Zenfold: suspend time that way - great technique
    Fefonz Quan: if you are in front a computer, you can set an alarm clock. i can easily find you a site that does that
    Mickorod Renard: but outside my commitments I am truly focussed on what is so nice
    Mickorod Renard: clouds, rain,,characters
    Eliza Madrigal: MM
    Fefonz Quan: like '&' :p
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,,cigars
    Mickorod Renard: chocolate

    Spontaneous stopping in daily life

    ommi Zenfold: one good time is when you start the car - let it run a few second to warm up
    Eliza Madrigal: Last night the theater was incredibly crowded and the lines very long. At one point I contemplated the spaces between the people crammed together.
    ommi Zenfold: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: This opened everything up
    ommi Zenfold: awesome
    Fefonz Quan: nice one eliza. i also find lines are great opportunities to contemplate
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I have been known to be tad claustrophobic in those situations but I found myself smiling
    Mickorod Renard: lines make me angry
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes to lines Fef!
    Fefonz Quan: that's why Mick
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,its you Fef who are the angry one ,,he he
    ommi Zenfold: play can overcome anger
    Mickorod Renard: but I have my moments of anger too
    Eliza Madrigal: I used to deal with it by having an ipod at all times, but that's become a bit of an attention divider lately... feel a desire to really engage with those around these days
    ommi Zenfold: as can contemplativeness
    Eliza Madrigal: ommi that is a great idea, yes!
    Fefonz Quan: they are great examples of how we can't dwell where and when we are and urge for teh future, even when actually we are healthy, safe and even have nothing to do at the moment
    ommi Zenfold: yep :)
    ommi Zenfold: oh jeez
    ommi Zenfold: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: The lady in front of me getting drinks was so funny... at one point I thought "Well if I miss things at least I met her"

    down down down

    ommi Zenfold: how do we turn region restart into play?
    sophia Placebo: the sim is going down no?
    ommi Zenfold: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Says the region will restart yikes
    ommi Zenfold: temporarily
    Mickorod Renard: I have become much better,,even about lines,,now I have reconstructed my pschy
    Eliza Madrigal: So we come back in a few I suppose
    ommi Zenfold: you know what helped me with that mick? i tell myself, posses yourself in patience
    ommi Zenfold: and i do it
    Eliza Madrigal: Mick, interesting way of saying that... you feel you've 'remapped"?
    ommi Zenfold: and it's become a learned skill
    Mickorod Renard: I may go out for a tea and cake
    Mickorod Renard: but nice seeing u all
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a fridge full of chocolate frogs..hehe
    ommi Zenfold: nice ot meet you Mick :)
    Eliza Madrigal: You too Mick :))
    Fefonz Quan: we still have 4 minutes Mick, don't rush :)
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,I have def re-mapped
    sophia Placebo: nice to meet you mick
    Eliza Madrigal: defragmented :)
    ommi Zenfold: should we return here?
    Eliza Madrigal: I will return :)
    Mickorod Renard: Sophia,,you met me months ago
    ommi Zenfold: great - how long do the sessions usually run?
    sophia Placebo: where mick?
    Fefonz Quan: me too, hopefully with the help of the great SL masters
    Eliza Madrigal: ommi, the slot is one hour, but sometimes we go longer :)
    Mickorod Renard: here and everywhere
    ommi Zenfold: great :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heh Fef
    sophia Placebo: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, lindenland willing
    Fefonz Quan: about an hour ommi, but it is quite flexible in fact
    ommi Zenfold: cool :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ommi Zenfold: ty Eliza :)
    sophia Placebo: im really angery at something and someone is sl
    Eliza Madrigal: Does anyone know where we'll go when the site closes down?
    ommi Zenfold: aww
    Eliza Madrigal: Should we 'flee'?? haha
    Fefonz Quan: it's like the SL version of the Flud - we will restart you for maintainance soon :)
    sophia Placebo: i wont come back , need some mind clearance
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    ommi Zenfold: permanently close down?
    Mickorod Renard: chill Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: *hugs* Sophia
    ommi Zenfold: good luck soph!
    ommi Zenfold: it will pass, sooner or later
    Fefonz Quan: take care Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Feel clearer and good to see you :)
    sophia Placebo: ll ty ommi
    ommi Zenfold: yeah - good luck
    Fefonz Quan: one more minute - that's kind of exciting
    ommi Zenfold: we could just crash w/thesim lol
    Eliza Madrigal hears jaws music
    ommi Zenfold: ha ha
    ommi Zenfold: ooo the suspense?!
    ommi Zenfold: ! i mean
    Fefonz Quan: pom pom ommmmm
    sophia Placebo: see you :)
    Fefonz Quan: yep!
    ommi Zenfold: i'm bolting
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Sophia :)
    ommi Zenfold: bbs
    ommi Zenfold: bye!
    Fefonz Quan: bye sophia
    Fefonz Quan: i am waiting

    Act II - Reflections, Music, Romance :) 

    Fefonz Quan: did you take the log beforehand Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Fef :)
    Fefonz Quan: cool :) i thought the restart might disable the autologger
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I thought also but seems to be fine
    Eliza Madrigal: I noticed last night in the line that I felt comforted by dwelling in the space, while still a little anxious a bit about the time ... the film starting etc
    Eliza Madrigal: I would have thought that one would have relieved the other more
    ommi Zenfold: hmmmm
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess it showed me how many ways we are thinking at any given moment...
    Eliza Madrigal: how many layers of thought
    ommi Zenfold: yes for sure...
    ommi Zenfold: we have so much going on in our lives,
    ommi Zenfold: that, coupled with our personality quirks make things interesting
    ommi Zenfold: i think that's why these moments of reflection are so important
    ommi Zenfold: we need time to process that modern life doesn't really provide for
    Fefonz Quan: infact, we might need some time to stop processing and relax
    ommi Zenfold: people lose touch with themselves
    ommi Zenfold: definitely Fefonz...
    Fefonz Quan: we are obsessed with processing
    ommi Zenfold: yes, trying to make sense of it all
    Fefonz Quan: obsesively processing
    ommi Zenfold: but without a sound base, how can you begin to process anything?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, even with much meditation, another layer/aspect often arises like a bowl...maybe clearer and clearer
    ommi Zenfold: it's like trying to dance on air
    Eliza Madrigal: Fef yes, we love our projects :)
    ommi Zenfold: that's a good analogy Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: ommi, or not trying :)
    Fefonz Quan: what do you call a sound base Ommi?
    Fefonz Quan likes the sound of base in the morning
    ommi Zenfold: well, i need to feel centered, which for me is being in touch with what's important in life
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    ommi Zenfold: lol
    ommi Zenfold: the sound of bass resounds in my house - got a son who plays
    ommi Zenfold: sounds wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice ommi :)
    ommi Zenfold: big smile :)
    Fefonz Quan: ah cool, i am more a guitar guy though
    ommi Zenfold: any music is awesome i think
    Fefonz Quan: but they fit together
    ommi Zenfold: any and all
    ommi Zenfold: they do :)
    Eliza Madrigal: my daughters are musical also, and I've been trying to find the right instrument for my 10yo son. For a while he wanted to play the sitar! hah..not so easy to pull off. Then it was the banjo. I think piano is the best foundation though...plus helps with the ladies. Hahah
    ommi Zenfold: oh i love both those instruments particularly
    Eliza Madrigal: Guitars are also helpful with this last thing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hhaha
    ommi Zenfold: sure lol
    ommi Zenfold: he will find his instrument.. mine went through drums & guitar before he found the base
    ommi Zenfold: bass rather
    Fefonz Quan: well guitar help with the ladies too, and it's hard to bring your piano to fire parties :)
    ommi Zenfold: they have nice portable keyboards now :)
    ommi Zenfold: i even got him a big one of those come t think of it
    ommi Zenfold: ha
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Fef, believe me. As a teen I dated only guitarists for a string of time :)
    Fefonz Quan: but where will you find electricity?
    ommi Zenfold: his friends use it
    ommi Zenfold: oh yeah :))
    ommi Zenfold: it was cooks for me lol
    ommi Zenfold: and comedians!
    Eliza Madrigal: ahha
    ommi Zenfold: no matter what i did,
    ommi Zenfold: i'd meet a perfect stranger, like him, and he'd be a cook lol
    ommi Zenfold: or a comedian
    ommi Zenfold: was amazing
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i knew i should have started playing when i was younger
    ommi Zenfold: i married a cook!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh goodness
    ommi Zenfold: not too late fef
    ommi Zenfold: nods!
    ommi Zenfold: not a bad move lol
    Fefonz Quan: well i am ok now, was talking about my young years :)
    ommi Zenfold: ok :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, a cook is nice :)
    ommi Zenfold: it's great
    ommi Zenfold: i thank my lucky stars often
    ommi Zenfold: well, i hate to go, but rl is calling
    ommi Zenfold: enjoyed meeting you both very much :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful to have someone in the house who loves to cook.
    ommi Zenfold: oh yes
    Fefonz Quan: great meeting you Ommi, hope to see you here again!
    Eliza Madrigal: ommi, yes you too!
    ommi Zenfold: definitely :))
    ommi Zenfold: love Kira and all it stands for
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    ommi Zenfold: so take care and see you again :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now :)
    ommi Zenfold: bye bye to both :)
    Fefonz Quan: bye Ommi
    ommi Zenfold: poof...

    Fef and I dig a little into our more specifically Buddhist explorations, and our responses to Play as Being 

    Fefonz Quan: i was surprised to note you aer here only from january, i think of you as a veteran :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I tend to be 'all in' I think...heh
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: PaB and I found one another Valentines Day
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: well, we have a thing with holidays today :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I ask myself if I am too focused here, but honestly I'm 'following' ...
    Fefonz Quan: 'following'?
    Eliza Madrigal: this is part of several things which opened up at the same time
    Eliza Madrigal: all 'saying', if you like, the same thing
    Eliza Madrigal: and I feel I've responded moreso than generating
    Fefonz Quan: i see, i have similar feeling too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes?
    Fefonz Quan: (for teh several things )
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Fefonz Quan: i do practice buddhism here and there, as some here might know
    Eliza Madrigal: It is like a wave one embraces
    Fefonz Quan: yes
    Fefonz Quan: can you say what other things say similar ideas for you?
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you know there is a tibetan lama speaking on wednesdays at buddha center? He's very clear... wonderful personality.
    Fefonz Quan: sounds great, at which hour?
    Eliza Madrigal: 2PM I believe
    Fefonz Quan: sounds intruiging, so i can check it today
    Fefonz Quan: do you know his name?
    Eliza Madrigal: lodro
    Fefonz Quan: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: that's his first name...not sure of his last
    Fefonz Quan: rinpoche? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Last week he spoke about bliss :)
    Fefonz Quan: that's a nice issue. any memorable insights?
    Eliza Madrigal: No...Lodro is his SL name... I'm not sure if I kept his other info
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, coincidentally (hah)
    Eliza Madrigal: he was on the subject of groundlessness/sunyata like we've been...
    Fefonz Quan: sunyata - emtinees in regular translatin?
    Fefonz Quan: emptiness*
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: so emptiness and bliss
    Fefonz Quan: groundlessnes is a nice term
    Eliza Madrigal: groundlessness opened this for me... "no place to land"... contemplating 'going' as Stim discussed....
    Fefonz Quan: yes, it's opening on one hand, and scary on the other
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a little part of his talk that I liked his phrasing in, talking about experiencing directly ... the in betweenness
    Eliza Madrigal: "if we see only the betweenness if we have a direct experience of the relationships the connectedness, then I see others first and then – second – myself -my self and that is why bodhicitta, is so centrral to the mahayana notion of enlightenment bodhicitta means: the mind of knowledge, of intelligence, of enlightenment often, it is translated with “the mind of compassion”
    Fefonz Quan: hmmm, interesting and nicely phrased
    Fefonz Quan: one of the things i learned here is the value of words, and the limitation of them too
    Eliza Madrigal: Realizing that this is a different mind, is fascinating too... Stim talks about our not expecting to reform "samsara mind"
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, this is true Fef
    Eliza Madrigal: Lately I find myself unable to express anything in a few lines. Some are very good at that
    Fefonz Quan is good at expressing simple things in a few lines ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: and at cutting through things with humor also :)
    Fefonz Quan: makes things lighter sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal nods..yes

    Lightness of Being

    Fefonz Quan: just had an interesting observation: 'light' as not heavy is the same word as 'light', seeing and illuminating
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Fefonz Quan: like hinting that when we let the weight get over us, it is harder to see the light, the true nature of things
    Fefonz Quan: ty
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting way of phrasing that Fef, the weight
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, we set our heart on the wrong thing maybe...
    Fefonz Quan: (maybe load was better english?)
    Eliza Madrigal: and 'try' to lift the weights ourselves when that can't be done
    Fefonz Quan: or even seeing them as weight, as burden
    Eliza Madrigal: they can fall away but the more we try the heavier they seem
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm.... I wonder about certain things still and try to trust that it will all unwravel 'in due time'
    Fefonz Quan: yep, i know that one
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I see myself reaching to 'work on it' even though that never helped before :)
    Eliza Madrigal: and especially I wonder "Well everything is so clear, but that one thing right over...there....
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Fefonz Quan: yes, only that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! And I did the walking excercize the other day. Great!
    Fefonz Quan: yup!
    Eliza Madrigal: Such a different world
    Fefonz Quan wonders about it. sometimes 'working' or putting 'right effort' (buddhist term) has also some value
    Fefonz Quan: (sorry, go on)
    Eliza Madrigal: No... what you're saying is what I wonder too, because there is a kind of engagement necessary
    Fefonz Quan: can you say more?
    Eliza Madrigal: It takes real, heart felt intention to practice mindfulness and to meditate... to continually be 'in a place' (spiritually?) where compassion can flourish.
    Eliza Madrigal: so that's a kind of intensity?
    Fefonz Quan: it does, sometimes
    Fefonz Quan: i can say for myself, that in'formal' meditation, where i sit on a cushion, mostly in a group, most of the effort is getting there physically, but than the sitting itself is many time quite effortless
    Fefonz Quan: (surely not always, there are a lot of issues coming, but the general feeling)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, yes and knowing that getting there is the whole thing , in a sense, helps?
    Fefonz Quan: it does. yes. and surely, i (want to) believe, that mindfulness can pour into our daily lifes more and more, sometimes even without 'intentionally' intending to do it
    Fefonz Quan: lives*
    Eliza Madrigal: Am thinking that embracing discovery/insight is very passionate, total, yet we also learn to take it lightly....
    Eliza Madrigal: to hold both at once
    Eliza Madrigal: or not hold, as it were
    Eliza Madrigal: emptiness and bliss ? :)
    Fefonz Quan: discovery/insight is indeed very passionate. but - and i can also say that from personal experience - holding to it to much, and urging to get back that feeling, can be very frustrating, hence quite a drawback
    Eliza Madrigal: YES! I picture the cartoon skunk a little... trying to hold onto the cat
    Fefonz Quan: right! then it becomes another (very nice) candy
    Fefonz Quan: .
    Fefonz Quan: it's a subtle balance, and i do consider it one of the toughest obstacles in the way
    Fefonz Quan: at least for me.
    Eliza Madrigal nods... walking the line... playing
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I'm there with you in this :)
    Eliza Madrigal notes that she stumbled to the computer this morning and is now wide awake
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
    Fefonz Quan: that would count for a small awakaning then :)
    Fefonz Quan: kening...
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe yes the beginning of the day's awakenings perhaps
    Fefonz Quan: you are hopelessly optimistic! good for you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sigh, mostly yes :)
    Fefonz Quan: thanks for teh card, i will enjoy reading it
    Eliza Madrigal: You're welcome. I wasn't sure if I'd made a card or saved to the computer...
    Eliza Madrigal: so glad I had it.
    Eliza Madrigal: Time to 'go' I think now :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, for me too.
    Eliza Madrigal: Perhaps see you later Fef :) Bye for now.
    Fefonz Quan: thanks for the insightful talk!
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes you too!
    Eliza Madrigal: Namaste

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