2009.07.19 01:00 - Impressions of ego

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    Moon Fargis: hi mala
    Moon Fargis: morning sophia!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Moon :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning to you too
    Moon Fargis: *streches himself tiredly*
    Moon Fargis: *looks around*
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles and enjoys the view
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a question that is one my mind today
    SophiaSharon Larnia: on*
    Moon Fargis: ahh sure let out what pays no rent
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: (german saying:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (I was trying to figure it out ) :))
    Moon Fargis: (cant be really good translated anyway:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, let me just say that over the last four months I have thought about what 'appearance' means
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the long way :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and I think I understand it now, in the way that I can
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Moon Fargis: hi nymf
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Nymf :)
    Moon Fargis: so sophia, what do you understand about it ?
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello forest and civilians :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
    sophia Placebo: Hi !
    Moon Fargis giggles cutely.
    Moon Fargis: hi sophia 2
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (the pillows may be hard to see) ;p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok plz call me Sharon, i think I'm going to start wearing a tag
    Moon Fargis: ok sharon :)
    Nymf Hathaway: oooh this fits you so much Sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, she is hidden among the flowers ;p
    sophia Placebo: which flower?
    Nymf Hathaway: :)))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the sunny ones
    sophia Placebo: i dont see flowers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (lit up)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Moon's garden has filled the pavilion :)
    Moon Fargis: ah am i a ghost to you sophia ?
    sophia Placebo: yes ^^
    Moon Fargis: (better?:)
    sophia Placebo: no ^^
    Moon Fargis: Meep Meep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! the sun is in your wings, sophia :))
    sophia Placebo: ^^ now i see all thses flowers
    Moon Fargis: ^.^
    sophia Placebo: we are like hide and seek or something
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
    Moon Fargis: i would prefer to relax :)
    Moon Fargis: so sharoen, what do you understand now about apreciate ?
    Moon Fargis: -e
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but to answer your question Moon, what I understand about appearance is a bit long to explain right now, and may not be the time to address.
    Moon Fargis: is there a better thime ?:)
    Moon Fargis: -h
    SophiaSharon Larnia: My question is, how far does it go, everything is appearance, so is everything interpreted this way
    Moon Fargis: ah how far appearance go
    Moon Fargis: well in buddhism there s this emptyness, or oneness, and delusions of reality against terms and sights wich was told you by the society, your reality, and it all appears to your eyes and mind what you learned that it will be and judgeing about those
    Moon Fargis: so it goes so far as you let it be affect from your experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: because I am seeing all physicality, and aspects of the mind, the ego as appearance
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (smacks her head, why didn't anyone tell me this) grins
    Moon Fargis: *giggles*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but im trying to learn from past mistakes
    Moon Fargis looks at the appearing red part of her apearienced head
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops :)
    sophia Placebo: if ego is an apearance then ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I cant help but to start seeing everything I encounter this way, but dont know if this is the right path to take
    Moon Fargis: the right path is your path
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i spin
    Moon Fargis: nooneelse can tell you your riht path
    Moon Fargis: and ego makes things appear
    Moon Fargis: but in different ways
    Moon Fargis: like sunglasses infront of your eyes
    sophia Placebo: how to remove those glasses
    Moon Fargis: thats not 100% possible
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I think what made it click for me was reading 'The objects of the material world are simply appearances of collections of monads.', not that I am a theosophist
    Moon Fargis: but there are ways to brighten up the sunglasses
    Moon Fargis: let them turn to glasses
    Moon Fargis: without color
    Moon Fargis: theosophiaist
    Moon Fargis: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
    sophia Placebo: how to remove the colores?
    Moon Fargis: that happens when you realise yourself, soem call is awakening
    Moon Fargis: and / or enlightment
    sophia Placebo: i thought ego is self and ego is sunglass
    sophia Placebo: and ego is the glass cleaner?!
    Moon Fargis: there is something more then just your ego
    Moon Fargis: there is your awareness
    sophia Placebo: my awarness is not me ?
    Moon Fargis: you awareness is part of you
    sophia Placebo: but it is not my ego ?
    Moon Fargis: yes its not your ego
    Nymf Hathaway: brb
    Moon Fargis: your ego is what you are in this life, what society learned you, the results of your past and experience
    sophia Placebo: you mean we make a dicisions based on ego sometimes and on awarness on others ?
    Moon Fargis: humans make 99 % of their descissions based on ego
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Moon Fargis: but this rate will fall as more aware you get
    Moon Fargis: of yourself
    Moon Fargis: of others
    Moon Fargis: of all
    Moon Fargis: most do that by meditation
    Moon Fargis: slowly fading out / dropping/ Letting be the ego
    Moon Fargis: the thoughts
    sophia Placebo: what do you mean by dropping ?
    Moon Fargis: well just another word for the same as there is the practise to drop your thoughts like a stone that you drop to the ground from yur hands
    Nymf Hathaway: has read and back :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (wb)
    sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
    Moon Fargis: ^o^
    Nymf Hathaway: Thank you three :)
    sophia Placebo: i mean , if i drop anger , i may drop feelings that is trying to not show them , trying to dissolve them ,trying to make them unnecessary
    sophia Placebo: either way one may use the word dropping
    sophia Placebo: drop them from the presence , but they can be still there in memory no ?
    Moon Fargis: ofcourse you cant forget them
    Moon Fargis: but you can let them affect you or not
    Moon Fargis: that is your desission
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can see how it can be that one can APAPB by seeing the appearance first, not focusing on the appreciating that I had been.
    sophia Placebo: what i understand from dropping is that one should see that there is no need for those feelings, for one can see beyond what it appears
    sophia Placebo: so even in memory one would remmber that at a point of his life he saw what beyond something or someone , not remmbering the angery feelings for them where dpropped from the picture
    Moon Fargis: (being i na critical IM atm sorry)
    sophia Placebo: ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this is something Im thinking about too sophia
    sophia Placebo: can you say more soph?
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Anthony
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Anthony
    Nymf Hathaway: a forest
    sophia Placebo: hi anthony
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is difficult to put in words, the feeling of anger and betrayal are an apprearance too
    AnthonyCl Yalin: am i being rude and intrusive?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no Anthony
    Nymf Hathaway: No you are not, have a seat please
    Nymf Hathaway: Have you been here before?
    AnthonyCl Yalin: no never
    AnthonyCl Yalin: what is here?
    sophia Placebo: bieup ,playas being pavilion , a second life sim
    AnthonyCl Yalin: ok i'll read please continue
    Nymf Hathaway: I gave Anthony the notecard
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks i was just typing that out:)
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Moon Fargis: <- back
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Moon
    Moon Fargis: hi anthony
    Nymf Hathaway: Welcome back Moon
    sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
    Moon Fargis: thx :)
    AnthonyCl Yalin: ok that helped a little
    sophia Placebo: re Sophia , how dropping goes with you ?
    sophia Placebo: in anger and betrayal?
    Nymf Hathaway: We record our talks Anthony and put them online...is it okay to include you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its very difficult, I cant say I have really done it 'awake' when i meditate I tend to trance out
    AnthonyCl Yalin: yes i don't mind
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the play as being wiki is http://playasbeing.wik.is/, Anthony
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but i can say I dropped accidently, hunting down a rainbow the other day with in my car
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (silly I know)
    AnthonyCl Yalin: can i just jump in anywhere? are there turns?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: please do
    Nymf Hathaway: Not silly just Great!
    AnthonyCl Yalin: what is dropping?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I saw it out of the cornor of my eye and was like, whoa, let me see that closer
    SophiaSharon Larnia: turned around
    Nymf Hathaway: smiles
    sophia Placebo: it is a word we are trying to figure how to use it to see reality
    SophiaSharon Larnia: early morning after a rain :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (cliche', chasing rainbows)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but it occured to me at that moment that is all I have ever done, chase them
    Moon Fargis: ahyes i cased much of such things :) and its always worthy to look at the beauty
    Nymf Hathaway: but wonderful the magic got tou Sharon :)
    sophia Placebo: we used the case of anger anthony , how to drop the angery feeling to see the things as they are
    Moon Fargis: sharon: http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.Kurze/Impressions
    sophia Placebo: am i making sense to you ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i wanted to see if it was really round
    Moon Fargis: ah i think i already shared that with you even
    AnthonyCl Yalin: sometimes anger is the way things are. it can be a tool. like gasoline.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! but I appreciate them again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: !!
    AnthonyCl Yalin: i think what is, the way things are tends to change from one moment to the next
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was realizing that i was chasing, to drop 'that'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but not the seeing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so, am careful how to procede
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I think that anger can be a tool that motivates us to make changes Anthony, the problem lies in the negative way that anger can make us feel.
    sophia Placebo: sounds like a momnet of clarity sophia :) wonderfull
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i didnt know it at the time, it took a few hours
    AnthonyCl Yalin: tell me about the negative way anger makes you feel
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is an emotion that can cloud our thinking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the emotion is an appearance, like everything else
    AnthonyCl Yalin: so is anger something that you would drop in your play?
    sophia Placebo: anger to me is a normal reflex that alarms me that i have not think about this situation and im totally at the moment out of choices in how to deal with this situation
    Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Moon Fargis: and thats where awareness jumps in
    sophia Placebo: nevertheless the feelings are strong and motivated
    Moon Fargis: should jump in
    sophia Placebo: true
    Moon Fargis: that the feelings dont take over you completley ah easy words for something the mankind s trying for thousands of years now
    sophia Placebo: you should remind yourself of that at the moment of anger despite all the strong negative feelings
    Moon Fargis: also awaress tell you sometimes
    Moon Fargis: "let it out"
    sophia Placebo: true
    AnthonyCl Yalin: yes sometimes you have to
    Nymf Hathaway: is seldom angry
    AnthonyCl Yalin: that's good
    sophia Placebo: you gotta try new situations ^^
    Nymf Hathaway: anger is a feeling of powerlesness...when you step back and look at the situation...the answer will follow
    Moon Fargis: anyhow we dnt drop such feelngs in "our play" we just stop letting them affect us and look
    sophia Placebo: agree
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to do, in the flush of the feeling
    AnthonyCl Yalin: ok tell me where the play part comes in?
    Moon Fargis: :)))
    Moon Fargis: oookay
    Moon Fargis: can you wear that ?
    AnthonyCl Yalin: i think i'm wearing it
    Moon Fargis: ok one second
    Moon Fargis: everyone else too ?
    sophia Placebo: ^^
    Nymf Hathaway: yes
    Moon Fargis: onigokko
    sophia Placebo: lol
    Moon Fargis: stop
    AnthonyCl Yalin: hmmmmm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gahhhhhhh
    Nymf Hathaway: Thanks Moon :)) I needed that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: too late
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Moon Fargis: ok sophia you try:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: onigokko
    SophiaSharon Larnia: stop
    Moon Fargis: lol
    AnthonyCl Yalin: yup that is very playful
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggle am slow tonights
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?...=play+as+being
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to me to play here is too see being in a new way, it means something different to everyone
    sophia Placebo nods
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    sophia Placebo: i have to leave , nice to meet you all , see you later
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye sophia!
    AnthonyCl Yalin: bye
    Nymf Hathaway: Sorry to have missed that...for the record; Bye Sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we meet here at 1 am, 7 am, 1 pm, and 7 pm Anthony, there are different people here at different times
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (sometimes the same ones) ;p
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    AnthonyCl Yalin: i see
    AnthonyCl Yalin: it looks interesting
    Moon Fargis: well basicly the pavilion looks like this
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    AnthonyCl Yalin: ah
    Nymf Hathaway: :)))
    Moon Fargis: but thats to steril for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i love the garden Moon
    Moon Fargis: of i spelled that word right
    AnthonyCl Yalin: i don't grade spelling in chat
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    AnthonyCl Yalin: you're safe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either! I would fail miserably
    Nymf Hathaway: everyone would :)
    AnthonyCl Yalin: someone mentioned betrayal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we all have been at one time or another
    AnthonyCl Yalin: i'm sure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or felt that way
    AnthonyCl Yalin: can you feel that way and not actually be that way?
    Moon Fargis: between feeling and reaction awareness have to stand
    AnthonyCl Yalin: hmmmmm
    Moon Fargis: but to often ego stands instead
    AnthonyCl Yalin: well ok
    AnthonyCl Yalin: can you feel angry and not actually be angry?
    Moon Fargis: yes
    Moon Fargis: that happens when you are aware of your angryness
    AnthonyCl Yalin: and that is desierable?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can feel anger and see all of the aspects and reasons that make it so
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it too is an appearance
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (ok maybe not all)
    Moon Fargis: it is maybe not desireable but sometimes nessesary
    AnthonyCl Yalin: suppose you felt betrayed but you were mistaken
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that happens too, it is an intreptation
    Moon Fargis: greetings ray
    Nymf Hathaway: I think all extreme emotions are really a question to you to think about the issue and solve it in balance
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ray
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Ray :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Nymf
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
    AnthonyCl Yalin: can you interpret being and still see the way things are>
    Moon Fargis: ray: looked at your profle, this might intrest you
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: ?_!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont htink i can interpret being, being a finite mind, contemplating the infinite, I want to see
    Moon Fargis: ray: "Like to find nice meditatve places in Sl for relaxation and fun !-)"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: past the filters, or sunglasses, or the fog that we put over the ego
    Moon Fargis: so my friends i am srryb ut have to run now, rl calls me
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Have a beautiful day Moon :))
    AnthonyCl Yalin: bye moon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Moon!!!
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
    Moon Fargis: bye averyone and have a nice day :)
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: ?_?
    SophiaSharon Larnia smiles, rl calls me as well, need to start my morning :p
    AnthonyCl Yalin: ah ok
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Nymf, Anthony, and Ray :)
    AnthonyCl Yalin: bye sophia
    Nymf Hathaway: Wishing you a nice day as well Sharon and others...will be leaving as well
    Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)

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