2009.07.19 01:00 - Impressions of ego

Moon Fargis: hi mala
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: morning sophia!
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Moon :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning to you too
Moon Fargis: *streches himself tiredly*
Moon Fargis: *looks around*
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles and enjoys the view
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a question that is one my mind today
SophiaSharon Larnia: on*
Moon Fargis: ahh sure let out what pays no rent
Moon Fargis: :)
Moon Fargis: (german saying:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (I was trying to figure it out ) :))
Moon Fargis: (cant be really good translated anyway:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, let me just say that over the last four months I have thought about what 'appearance' means
SophiaSharon Larnia: the long way :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: and I think I understand it now, in the way that I can
Moon Fargis: :)
Moon Fargis: hi nymf
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Nymf :)
Moon Fargis: so sophia, what do you understand about it ?
Nymf Hathaway: Hello forest and civilians :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
sophia Placebo: Hi !
Moon Fargis giggles cutely.
Moon Fargis: hi sophia 2
SophiaSharon Larnia: (the pillows may be hard to see) ;p
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok plz call me Sharon, i think I'm going to start wearing a tag
Moon Fargis: ok sharon :)
Nymf Hathaway: oooh this fits you so much Sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, she is hidden among the flowers ;p
sophia Placebo: which flower?
Nymf Hathaway: :)))
SophiaSharon Larnia: the sunny ones
sophia Placebo: i dont see flowers
SophiaSharon Larnia: (lit up)
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
SophiaSharon Larnia: Moon's garden has filled the pavilion :)
Moon Fargis: ah am i a ghost to you sophia ?
sophia Placebo: yes ^^
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: (better?:)
sophia Placebo: no ^^
Moon Fargis: Meep Meep
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! the sun is in your wings, sophia :))
sophia Placebo: ^^ now i see all thses flowers
Moon Fargis: ^.^
sophia Placebo: we are like hide and seek or something
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
Moon Fargis: i would prefer to relax :)
Moon Fargis: so sharoen, what do you understand now about apreciate ?
Moon Fargis: -e
SophiaSharon Larnia: but to answer your question Moon, what I understand about appearance is a bit long to explain right now, and may not be the time to address.
Moon Fargis: is there a better thime ?:)
Moon Fargis: -h
SophiaSharon Larnia: My question is, how far does it go, everything is appearance, so is everything interpreted this way
Moon Fargis: ah how far appearance go
Moon Fargis: well in buddhism there s this emptyness, or oneness, and delusions of reality against terms and sights wich was told you by the society, your reality, and it all appears to your eyes and mind what you learned that it will be and judgeing about those
Moon Fargis: so it goes so far as you let it be affect from your experience
SophiaSharon Larnia: because I am seeing all physicality, and aspects of the mind, the ego as appearance
SophiaSharon Larnia: (smacks her head, why didn't anyone tell me this) grins
Moon Fargis: *giggles*
SophiaSharon Larnia: but im trying to learn from past mistakes
Moon Fargis looks at the appearing red part of her apearienced head
SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops :)
sophia Placebo: if ego is an apearance then ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: I cant help but to start seeing everything I encounter this way, but dont know if this is the right path to take
Moon Fargis: the right path is your path
SophiaSharon Larnia: i spin
Moon Fargis: nooneelse can tell you your riht path
Moon Fargis: and ego makes things appear
Moon Fargis: but in different ways
Moon Fargis: like sunglasses infront of your eyes
sophia Placebo: how to remove those glasses
Moon Fargis: thats not 100% possible
SophiaSharon Larnia: I think what made it click for me was reading 'The objects of the material world are simply appearances of collections of monads.', not that I am a theosophist
Moon Fargis: but there are ways to brighten up the sunglasses
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: let them turn to glasses
Moon Fargis: without color
Moon Fargis: theosophiaist
Moon Fargis: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles
sophia Placebo: how to remove the colores?
Moon Fargis: that happens when you realise yourself, soem call is awakening
Moon Fargis: and / or enlightment
sophia Placebo: i thought ego is self and ego is sunglass
sophia Placebo: and ego is the glass cleaner?!
Moon Fargis: there is something more then just your ego
Moon Fargis: there is your awareness
sophia Placebo: my awarness is not me ?
Moon Fargis: you awareness is part of you
sophia Placebo: but it is not my ego ?
Moon Fargis: yes its not your ego
Nymf Hathaway: brb
Moon Fargis: your ego is what you are in this life, what society learned you, the results of your past and experience
sophia Placebo: you mean we make a dicisions based on ego sometimes and on awarness on others ?
Moon Fargis: humans make 99 % of their descissions based on ego
sophia Placebo: :)
Moon Fargis: but this rate will fall as more aware you get
Moon Fargis: of yourself
Moon Fargis: of others
Moon Fargis: of all
Moon Fargis: most do that by meditation
Moon Fargis: slowly fading out / dropping/ Letting be the ego
Moon Fargis: the thoughts
sophia Placebo: what do you mean by dropping ?
Moon Fargis: well just another word for the same as there is the practise to drop your thoughts like a stone that you drop to the ground from yur hands
Nymf Hathaway: has read and back :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (wb)
sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
Moon Fargis: ^o^
Nymf Hathaway: Thank you three :)
sophia Placebo: i mean , if i drop anger , i may drop feelings that is trying to not show them , trying to dissolve them ,trying to make them unnecessary
sophia Placebo: either way one may use the word dropping
sophia Placebo: drop them from the presence , but they can be still there in memory no ?
Moon Fargis: ofcourse you cant forget them
Moon Fargis: but you can let them affect you or not
Moon Fargis: that is your desission
SophiaSharon Larnia: i can see how it can be that one can APAPB by seeing the appearance first, not focusing on the appreciating that I had been.
sophia Placebo: what i understand from dropping is that one should see that there is no need for those feelings, for one can see beyond what it appears
--BELL--
sophia Placebo: so even in memory one would remmber that at a point of his life he saw what beyond something or someone , not remmbering the angery feelings for them where dpropped from the picture
Moon Fargis: (being i na critical IM atm sorry)
sophia Placebo: ^^
SophiaSharon Larnia: this is something Im thinking about too sophia
sophia Placebo: can you say more soph?
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Anthony
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Anthony
Nymf Hathaway: a forest
sophia Placebo: hi anthony
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is difficult to put in words, the feeling of anger and betrayal are an apprearance too
AnthonyCl Yalin: am i being rude and intrusive?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no Anthony
Nymf Hathaway: No you are not, have a seat please
Nymf Hathaway: Have you been here before?
AnthonyCl Yalin: no never
AnthonyCl Yalin: what is here?
sophia Placebo: bieup ,playas being pavilion , a second life sim
AnthonyCl Yalin: ok i'll read please continue
Nymf Hathaway: I gave Anthony the notecard
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks i was just typing that out:)
Nymf Hathaway: :))
Moon Fargis: <- back
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Moon
Moon Fargis: hi anthony
Nymf Hathaway: Welcome back Moon
sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
Moon Fargis: thx :)
AnthonyCl Yalin: ok that helped a little
sophia Placebo: re Sophia , how dropping goes with you ?
sophia Placebo: in anger and betrayal?
Nymf Hathaway: We record our talks Anthony and put them online...is it okay to include you?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its very difficult, I cant say I have really done it 'awake' when i meditate I tend to trance out
AnthonyCl Yalin: yes i don't mind
SophiaSharon Larnia: the play as being wiki is http://playasbeing.wik.is/, Anthony
SophiaSharon Larnia: but i can say I dropped accidently, hunting down a rainbow the other day with in my car
SophiaSharon Larnia: (silly I know)
AnthonyCl Yalin: can i just jump in anywhere? are there turns?
SophiaSharon Larnia: please do
Nymf Hathaway: Not silly just Great!
AnthonyCl Yalin: what is dropping?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I saw it out of the cornor of my eye and was like, whoa, let me see that closer
SophiaSharon Larnia: turned around
Nymf Hathaway: smiles
sophia Placebo: it is a word we are trying to figure how to use it to see reality
SophiaSharon Larnia: early morning after a rain :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (cliche', chasing rainbows)
SophiaSharon Larnia: but it occured to me at that moment that is all I have ever done, chase them
Moon Fargis: ahyes i cased much of such things :) and its always worthy to look at the beauty
Nymf Hathaway: but wonderful the magic got tou Sharon :)
sophia Placebo: we used the case of anger anthony , how to drop the angery feeling to see the things as they are
Moon Fargis: sharon: http://picasaweb.google.com/Sylvio.Kurze/Impressions
sophia Placebo: am i making sense to you ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i wanted to see if it was really round
Moon Fargis: ah i think i already shared that with you even
AnthonyCl Yalin: sometimes anger is the way things are. it can be a tool. like gasoline.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes! but I appreciate them again
SophiaSharon Larnia: !!
AnthonyCl Yalin: i think what is, the way things are tends to change from one moment to the next
SophiaSharon Larnia: it was realizing that i was chasing, to drop 'that'
SophiaSharon Larnia: but not the seeing
SophiaSharon Larnia: so, am careful how to procede
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I think that anger can be a tool that motivates us to make changes Anthony, the problem lies in the negative way that anger can make us feel.
sophia Placebo: sounds like a momnet of clarity sophia :) wonderfull
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i didnt know it at the time, it took a few hours
AnthonyCl Yalin: tell me about the negative way anger makes you feel
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is an emotion that can cloud our thinking
SophiaSharon Larnia: the emotion is an appearance, like everything else
AnthonyCl Yalin: so is anger something that you would drop in your play?
sophia Placebo: anger to me is a normal reflex that alarms me that i have not think about this situation and im totally at the moment out of choices in how to deal with this situation
Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Moon Fargis: and thats where awareness jumps in
sophia Placebo: nevertheless the feelings are strong and motivated
Moon Fargis: should jump in
sophia Placebo: true
Moon Fargis: that the feelings dont take over you completley ah easy words for something the mankind s trying for thousands of years now
sophia Placebo: you should remind yourself of that at the moment of anger despite all the strong negative feelings
Moon Fargis: also awaress tell you sometimes
Moon Fargis: "let it out"
sophia Placebo: true
AnthonyCl Yalin: yes sometimes you have to
Nymf Hathaway: is seldom angry
AnthonyCl Yalin: that's good
sophia Placebo: you gotta try new situations ^^
Nymf Hathaway: anger is a feeling of powerlesness...when you step back and look at the situation...the answer will follow
Moon Fargis: anyhow we dnt drop such feelngs in "our play" we just stop letting them affect us and look
sophia Placebo: agree
SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to do, in the flush of the feeling
AnthonyCl Yalin: ok tell me where the play part comes in?
Moon Fargis: :)))
Moon Fargis: oookay
Moon Fargis: can you wear that ?
AnthonyCl Yalin: i think i'm wearing it
Moon Fargis: ok one second
Moon Fargis: everyone else too ?
sophia Placebo: ^^
Nymf Hathaway: yes
Moon Fargis: onigokko
sophia Placebo: lol
Moon Fargis: stop
AnthonyCl Yalin: hmmmmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: gahhhhhhh
Nymf Hathaway: Thanks Moon :)) I needed that
SophiaSharon Larnia: too late
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Moon Fargis: ok sophia you try:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: onigokko
SophiaSharon Larnia: stop
Moon Fargis: lol
AnthonyCl Yalin: yup that is very playful
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggle am slow tonights
Moon Fargis: ^^
SophiaSharon Larnia: http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?...=play+as+being
SophiaSharon Larnia: to me to play here is too see being in a new way, it means something different to everyone
sophia Placebo nods
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
--BELL--
sophia Placebo: i have to leave , nice to meet you all , see you later
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye sophia!
AnthonyCl Yalin: bye
Nymf Hathaway: Sorry to have missed that...for the record; Bye Sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: we meet here at 1 am, 7 am, 1 pm, and 7 pm Anthony, there are different people here at different times
SophiaSharon Larnia: (sometimes the same ones) ;p
Moon Fargis: ^^
AnthonyCl Yalin: i see
AnthonyCl Yalin: it looks interesting
Moon Fargis: well basicly the pavilion looks like this
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
AnthonyCl Yalin: ah
Nymf Hathaway: :)))
Moon Fargis: but thats to steril for me
SophiaSharon Larnia: i love the garden Moon
Moon Fargis: of i spelled that word right
AnthonyCl Yalin: i don't grade spelling in chat
Moon Fargis: ^^
AnthonyCl Yalin: you're safe
SophiaSharon Larnia: me either! I would fail miserably
Nymf Hathaway: everyone would :)
AnthonyCl Yalin: someone mentioned betrayal
SophiaSharon Larnia: we all have been at one time or another
AnthonyCl Yalin: i'm sure
SophiaSharon Larnia: or felt that way
AnthonyCl Yalin: can you feel that way and not actually be that way?
Moon Fargis: between feeling and reaction awareness have to stand
AnthonyCl Yalin: hmmmmm
Moon Fargis: but to often ego stands instead
AnthonyCl Yalin: well ok
AnthonyCl Yalin: can you feel angry and not actually be angry?
Moon Fargis: yes
Moon Fargis: that happens when you are aware of your angryness
AnthonyCl Yalin: and that is desierable?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i can feel anger and see all of the aspects and reasons that make it so
SophiaSharon Larnia: it too is an appearance
SophiaSharon Larnia: (ok maybe not all)
Moon Fargis: it is maybe not desireable but sometimes nessesary
AnthonyCl Yalin: suppose you felt betrayed but you were mistaken
SophiaSharon Larnia: that happens too, it is an intreptation
Moon Fargis: greetings ray
Nymf Hathaway: I think all extreme emotions are really a question to you to think about the issue and solve it in balance
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ray
Nymf Hathaway: Hello Ray :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Nymf
Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
AnthonyCl Yalin: can you interpret being and still see the way things are>
Moon Fargis: ray: looked at your profle, this might intrest you
Ray22Ten Rotaru: ?_!
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont htink i can interpret being, being a finite mind, contemplating the infinite, I want to see
Moon Fargis: ray: "Like to find nice meditatve places in Sl for relaxation and fun !-)"
SophiaSharon Larnia: past the filters, or sunglasses, or the fog that we put over the ego
Moon Fargis: so my friends i am srryb ut have to run now, rl calls me
Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
Nymf Hathaway: Have a beautiful day Moon :))
AnthonyCl Yalin: bye moon
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Moon!!!
Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)
Moon Fargis: bye averyone and have a nice day :)
Ray22Ten Rotaru: ?_?
SophiaSharon Larnia smiles, rl calls me as well, need to start my morning :p
AnthonyCl Yalin: ah ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Nymf, Anthony, and Ray :)
AnthonyCl Yalin: bye sophia
Nymf Hathaway: Wishing you a nice day as well Sharon and others...will be leaving as well
Ray22Ten Rotaru: :)