2009.07.23 13:00 - Remain in Light

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pila Mulligan, sitting in for Scathach (and she was covering for Storm.) The comments are by Pila Mulligan.

        Pila Mulligan: hi Scathach
        Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
        Scathach Rhiadra: ah, can I ask a favour Pila?
        Pila Mulligan: certainly
        Scathach Rhiadra: I am replacing Storm this session, but something has come up in RL, could you stay for the session?
        Pila Mulligan: yes, I'm happy to do so -- please follow whatever schedule suits you best
        Scathach Rhiadra: thank you, it was unexpected caller in RL, I have not claimed the log yet, do you want to?
        Pila Mulligan: yes, I will
        Pila Mulligan: one of those realities of rl :)
        Scathach Rhiadra: great, and thanks again. yes, I don't usually get visitors at this time of the evening, well not unexpected anyway!
        Pila Mulligan: ah, yes it is morning here, so I forgot the time there -- have a nice evening
        Scathach Rhiadra: and you have a great day, Namaste
        Pila Mulligan: aloha Scath
        Pila Mulligan: :)

    after Scathach's departure, time passed quietly -- the log looked like it may be pretty empty, so Pila turned to Wiki for additional content about the history of this particular day:

         From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        July 23 is the 204th day of the year (205th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 161 days remaining until the end of the year.
        1840 - The Province of Canada is created by the Act of Union.
        1903 - The Ford Motor Company sells its first car.
        1952 - overthrow of King Farouk of Egypt.

    then Shyama arrived

        Pila Mulligan: hi Shyama
        Shyama Sheryffe: has the meeting ended
        Pila Mulligan: it is just now starting :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: i was here alone and decided to fill the log with historic events for 7/23
        Shyama Sheryffe: oh
        Pila Mulligan: 1982 - The International Whaling Commission decides to end commercial whaling by 1985-86.
        Pila Mulligan: but we can find a more interesting topic :)

        Shyama Sheryffe: is this a historic date ?
        Pila Mulligan: not so far :)
        Pila Mulligan: unless you are in Canada
        Pila Mulligan: seems today was the date the province of Canada was created
        Pila Mulligan: 1995 - Comet Hale-Bopp is discovered and becomes visible to the naked eye nearly a year later.
        Shyama Sheryffe: what happens in Canada ?
        Shyama Sheryffe: oops
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: 1840 - The Province of Canada is created by the Act of Union  -- but it looks like it is not a holiday there
        Pila Mulligan: although it is in Egypt I see
        Pila Mulligan: the overthrow of King Farouk
        Pila Mulligan: 1952
        Shyama Sheryffe: how do u know all this ?
        Pila Mulligan: wikipedia :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_23
        Pila Mulligan: they have a page for each day of the year -- events, birthdays, deaths, holidays
        Shyama Sheryffe: i thought u had a encyclopedic memory..lol
        Pila Mulligan: nope :)
        Pila Mulligan: I have a swiss cheese memory :)
        Pila Mulligan: any ideas for a topic?
        Shyama Sheryffe: hm..nothing special in my mind
        Pila Mulligan: may I ask where you are in rl?
        Shyama Sheryffe: scandinavia, europe
        Pila Mulligan: I am in Hawai`i
        Shyama Sheryffe: wow
        Shyama Sheryffe: warm
        Pila Mulligan: so it is evening there, morning here
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Shyama Sheryffe: always
        Pila Mulligan: usually
        Pila Mulligan: it is about 10:30 am here
        Pila Mulligan: nice day

    Shyama asks a question that shows cultural insight simply by the word she uses – ‘huna’ (as in kahuna)

        Shyama Sheryffe: do u know anything about huna tradition in Hawaii ?
        Pila Mulligan: yes, i do
        Shyama Sheryffe: could u tell something about it
        Pila Mulligan: huna noeau = hidden arts
        Pila Mulligan: may we start with how you became aware of it?
        Shyama Sheryffe: is it shamanism ?
        Pila Mulligan: it could be called that, by some anthropologists, I suppose
        Pila Mulligan: it relates to natural skills
        Pila Mulligan: but it is not hocus pocus
        Shyama Sheryffe: like healing ?
        Pila Mulligan: more like medicine, yes
        Pila Mulligan: the old Hawaiian martial art was called lua
        Pila Mulligan: and masters of lua had to be expert at setting bones
        Pila Mulligan: because their practice was in breaking bones
        Pila Mulligan: there are people today with the same skill
        Pila Mulligan: the bones they set will heal in a few days
        Shyama Sheryffe: is there a philosophy behind huna ?
        Shyama Sheryffe: or is it only healing
        Pila Mulligan: well, there are different forms of huna
        Pila Mulligan: la`au lapa`au is the healing side
        Pila Mulligan: using herbs, massage and energy
        Pila Mulligan: it has expertise that could be called a philosophy, as far as I can tell
        Pila Mulligan: http://www.herbcompanion.com/health/...ian-style.aspx
        Pila Mulligan: this was the first website i found just now, I have not read it but it has a picture of one of my favorite places :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: is that the mountain ?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Shyama Sheryffe: very beautiful
        Pila Mulligan: I see the article refers to Uncle Harry Mitchell frm Maui and Papa Kawika Ka'alakea from Hawaii Island -- I had the pleasure to get to know them both before they died – this looks like a nice article
        Pila Mulligan: both Uncle Harry and Papa Kawika were remarkable healers
        Shyama Sheryffe: ty, i will read it
        Pila Mulligan: another very competent healer from Maui was Kalua Kaiahua --
        Pila Mulligan: there's a web story about Kalua
        Shyama Sheryffe: may i ask what is ur approach Pila
        Pila Mulligan: he was named after the martial art (Ka= the, lua = the martial art)
        Pila Mulligan: my approach to huna?
        Shyama Sheryffe: to life..lol
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: ah, i am happy :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: seems the easiest thing to do
        Shyama Sheryffe: yes..u live in Hawaii
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it may help
        Pila Mulligan: lots of people here are happy
        Pila Mulligan: warm climate and warm culture
        Shyama Sheryffe: yes..

        Pila Mulligan: but I also do Chinese meditation and tai chi
        Pila Mulligan: do you have any practices?
        Shyama Sheryffe: i study eastern religions
        Pila Mulligan: nice, I also did that, and still do some
        Shyama Sheryffe: and meditate
        Pila Mulligan: do you have any favorites?
        Shyama Sheryffe: is tai chi from taoism ?
        Pila Mulligan: it is, insofar as it is Chinese and related to taoism
        Pila Mulligan: but it is not exclusively taoist
        Pila Mulligan: it is more like a healing exercise
        Pila Mulligan: like yoga
        Shyama Sheryffe: nods
        Shyama Sheryffe: and i ching ?
        Pila Mulligan: I like the healing aspects of practices
        Pila Mulligan: yes, I ching also
        Shyama Sheryffe: is it taositic ?
        Pila Mulligan: do you study these things?
        Shyama Sheryffe: yes i read alot
        Pila Mulligan: I ching is foundational to Chinese culture, it relates to all of it
        Pila Mulligan: Confucianism, taoism just about all traditional chinese ideas relate in some way to i ching
        Shyama Sheryffe: so its older than taoism ?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Shyama Sheryffe: do u believe in it ?
        Pila Mulligan: i ching is attributed to Fu Xi, maybe 5000 years ago
        Shyama Sheryffe: i ching
        Pila Mulligan: ‘believe in’ it is a wide question, but yes I do
        Pila Mulligan: within limits
        Pila Mulligan: it is an excellent teaching tool
        Pila Mulligan: I do not use it as an oracle, that is a lesser role if you ask me
        Shyama Sheryffe: i have tried it sometimes and it was so fitting
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it has that element of being timely
        Shyama Sheryffe: how do u use it then ?
        Pila Mulligan: I begin my day (usually at 4:00 am) with a silent meditation, then an i ching meditation, then tai chi -- takes about an hour
        Pila Mulligan: so I use it as a daily meditation
        Pila Mulligan: and it keeps its timeliness each day, it seems :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: so u pick a page and meditate on it ?
        Pila Mulligan: I use the coin method to select the gua
        Pila Mulligan: gua = the chapter(s)
        Pila Mulligan: today it suggested i do yoga, so I did yoga
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: so u follow it ?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Shyama Sheryffe: cool
        Pila Mulligan: not obsessively, but respectfully
        Pila Mulligan: it is usually most helpful
        Shyama Sheryffe: has it anytime said anything wrong ?
        Pila Mulligan: it gives a great insight into what Chinese call wu wei
        Pila Mulligan: not noticeably wrong, no
        Pila Mulligan: it has often been very right
        Shyama Sheryffe: or not fitting ?
        Pila Mulligan: it may have gone over my head sometimes, but I have never regretted paying attention to it

        Shyama Sheryffe: wu wei ?
        Pila Mulligan: wu wei is a popular expression often interpreted as non-action
        Pila Mulligan: it is a little deeper than that however
        Shyama Sheryffe: meditation ?
        Pila Mulligan: it is closer to being in harmony with nature
        Pila Mulligan: no, as a kind of guide
        Pila Mulligan: not acting, as an alternative to acting
        Pila Mulligan: sometimes it is appropriate not to act, and that is more often than we may think
        Shyama Sheryffe: hm..witnessing
        Pila Mulligan: more going with the flow, letting events happen
        Shyama Sheryffe: nods
        Pila Mulligan: but this involves a much lesser known idea called the dao of i, or the way of change
        Pila Mulligan: the flow of events is described by the dao of i
        Pila Mulligan: and there is a natural cycle and progression -- events are interrelated
        Shyama Sheryffe: does the wu wei mean that u dont play any part in the world, being passive ?
        Pila Mulligan: no, it is more not interfering with nature
        Pila Mulligan: changes from moment to moment or day to day or year to year are interrelated, and the dao of i reflects the way those changes are related and helps us appreciate the natural flow of things -- and from that view we can see wu wei, the predominantly non-action side of being in harmony with nature
        Pila Mulligan: it seems passive only by comparison to what seems to be the rat race of daily life
        Pila Mulligan: but it is actively conscious, and sometimes action is needed as well
        Pila Mulligan: so it is modest action that keeps us in the dao of i, in the natural changing flow of interrelated events
        Pila Mulligan: ‘i’ is the same is as in i ching = change
        Pila Mulligan: ‘dao’ is same as tao = way
        Shyama Sheryffe: things change yes
        Pila Mulligan: so dao of i = way of change
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: and they change in cycles usually
        Shyama Sheryffe: like in buddhism..nothing is permanent
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: dynamic nature
        Shyama Sheryffe: i somehow fancy more taoism than buddhism
        Pila Mulligan: I am intimidated by the intellectual side of buddhism, it exceeds my mental capacity
        Shyama Sheryffe: in buddhism there seems to be so many rules
        Pila Mulligan: it is stunningly complete
        Pila Mulligan: and takes years of study
        Pila Mulligan: i am not up to it :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: mine too..lol
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: but the way tai chi moves
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it is natural
        Shyama Sheryffe: there is something .. touching
        Pila Mulligan: and healing
        Pila Mulligan: it is the chi :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: nods
        Pila Mulligan: the breath energy

        Pila Mulligan: do you do tai chi?
        Shyama Sheryffe: im gonna try to begin it
        Shyama Sheryffe: i have a video
        Pila Mulligan: let it teach itself to you :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: a good teacher helps, but like yoga it is also self-teaching
        Pila Mulligan: because it is so natural
        Pila Mulligan: what video do you have, may I ask?
        Pila Mulligan: I ask because there are several styles
        Shyama Sheryffe: yes, i’ve done some yoga
        Shyama Sheryffe: but tai chi seems interesting as it has the silence and movement together
        Pila Mulligan: yes, quiet movement
        Pila Mulligan: slow, too
        Pila Mulligan: and all, like yoga, in tune with breathing
        Shyama Sheryffe: ah, this is for beginners..let me see if i find it
        Shyama Sheryffe: its just called the introduction
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: the most common style is probably yang
        Shyama Sheryffe: i think it is a swedish production
        Pila Mulligan: Yang Style comes form the Yang family in China
        Pila Mulligan: you will be able to tell if it helps you
        Pila Mulligan: it if does, you should be able to feel it
        Shyama Sheryffe: hm is it for men, Yang?
        Pila Mulligan: no, Yang is a family name :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: ok
        Pila Mulligan: Master Yin was a great I Ching master, but he was a man :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: lol
        Pila Mulligan: yin and yang are not just men and women :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: nods

    Eos arrives

        Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
        Shyama Sheryffe: well its nice that u r an expert, so i can ask u advise
        Pila Mulligan: I'm happy to talk with you Shyama  – as for expert, I may defer
        Pila Mulligan: i am still learning
        Shyama Sheryffe: hi Eos
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: aloha `oe
        Pila Mulligan: we've been chatting Chinese stuff
        Pila Mulligan: how are you Eos?
        Shyama Sheryffe: What does taoism tell about the purpose of life ? wu wei ?
        Pila Mulligan: I think the first lesson of taoism is to look to nature
        Eos Amaterasu: Pretty good, Pila... just got home... wu-ing and wei-ing :-)
        Pila Mulligan: if we have questions, nature may have answers -- but not all questions have answers :)
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: that question about the Meaning of Life, I like Monty Python :)mpmol.jpg
        Eos Amaterasu: I'm appreciating the truth of that more and more (re nature)
        Pila Mulligan: more seriously, being happy is a nice answer
        Shyama Sheryffe: what is their answer,  Monty Python
        Pila Mulligan: Monty Python is a British humor group that did a movie named The Meaning of Life -- a comedy
        Eos Amaterasu: Life's bottom line is not a single digit
        Pila Mulligan: it was very funny
        Shyama Sheryffe: ah..
        Pila Mulligan: but happiness is a good answer
        Shyama Sheryffe: agrees
        Shyama Sheryffe: very good
        Eos Amaterasu: Since we come out of nature, perhaps one approach is to rest in nature's lap
        Pila Mulligan: nature is full of reality, and as Eos just said, it is not just a simple place
        Eos Amaterasu: which is kind of resting in the question
        Pila Mulligan: yes, that is kind of the idea of wu wei, lap resting
        Shyama Sheryffe: and the question falls away...
        Pila Mulligan: like in the huna tradition of Hawai`i, that we talked about earlier, things are not so much hidden as they are unexpected
        Pila Mulligan: it is our expectations that can be confusing
        Eos Amaterasu: I think the 9 secs practice is a bit of letting go, not immediately grasping on, answers or intentions or anything
        Pila Mulligan: a lap pause :)
        Eos Amaterasu wonders how far this metaphor (?) will be taken
        Pila Mulligan: several laps at least
        Eos Amaterasu: argh!
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Eos Amaterasu: actually that is a lovely image used in the Dzogchen and Mahamudra traditions:
        Eos Amaterasu: that realization is like the child luminosity returning to the mother luminosity
        Eos Amaterasu: like a child jumping back into its mother's lap
        Pila Mulligan: and that reminds me of my favorite verse from the bible -- when I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things.
        Pila Mulligan: I think part of the message there is to be able to see face to face
        Pila Mulligan: not just thru a glass darkly

    Shyama departs

        Shyama Sheryffe: ah, getting late, im off to bed
        Pila Mulligan: nice to visit with you Shyama
        Eos Amaterasu: Bye Shayama
        Pila Mulligan: bye for now
        Shyama Sheryffe: ty Pila, very enlightening conversation
        Pila Mulligan: it was fun
        Pila Mulligan: thank you
        Shyama Sheryffe: yes :)
        Shyama Sheryffe: goodnight both
        Pila Mulligan: aloha
        Eos Amaterasu: <^_^>

        Pila Mulligan: it was a vacant session the first half hour
        Pila Mulligan: I started filling the log with events for 7/23 from Wikipedia :)
        Pila Mulligan: today is Revolution Day in Egypt, for example
        Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, making the moment bigger?
        Pila Mulligan: making it full of history :)
        Eos Amaterasu: Which revolution was that in Egypt (or is it about the future?>)
        Pila Mulligan: the overthrow of King Farouk
        Pila Mulligan: 1959?
        Pila Mulligan: 1952*
        Pila Mulligan: 1840 - The Province of Canada is created by the Act of Union   1903 - The Ford Motor Company sells its first car1903-ford.jpg
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: paragraph break before 1903*
        Eos Amaterasu thinks that a good chat editor would let participants edit their lines in a 15-second window
        Eos Amaterasu: and then it would become history
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: we could do that ourselves with patience :)
        Pila Mulligan: i am still learning that
        Pila Mulligan: take time to fix, not just type fast
        Pila Mulligan: but I agree
        Pila Mulligan: it would be a cool script
        Eos Amaterasu: that's true: the chat editor could force a 15 sec (after the 9 sec :) pause
        Pila Mulligan: we would go at tai chi pace then
        Pila Mulligan: v e r r r y   s l o o o w l y
        Eos Amaterasu: every line would have a 9 second tax
        Eos Amaterasu: wu wei sounds like a question :-)
        Eos Amaterasu: how do you pronounce it, by the way?
        Eos Amaterasu: wu why? wu way?
        Pila Mulligan: woo way
        Pila Mulligan: there is a nice New York Times commentary today on the Dalai Lama -- http://happydays.blogs.nytimes.com/2...tor-is-within/
        Eos Amaterasu: how do you find wu wei in your life, PIla?
        Pila Mulligan: not to cut off the wu wei question :)
        Pila Mulligan: this was what we talked about earlier
        Pila Mulligan: wu wei is deeper for me than just non-action
        Pila Mulligan: making a note card :)
        Eos Amaterasu: non-action is probably as full of surprises as resting in we wei's lap
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it is a dynamic idea -- it requires consciousness as a consistent activity :)
        Eos Amaterasu: thnx for the catch-up note, Pila
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Eos Amaterasu: Finding non-action in action is the thing
        Pila Mulligan: yes, the harmonious moment
        Eos Amaterasu: it probably helps to be coming from non-action to the extent there is contrast
        Pila Mulligan: well, there is a lot of contrast, for most people, in our cultures
        Eos Amaterasu: so that as things arise they do so from empty/fullness
        Pila Mulligan: our cultures are very fast paced usually
        Eos Amaterasu: I think that's one of the key benefits (maybe even tricks) to practices such as APA
        Pila Mulligan: so just to catch the train we usually hustle
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: the faster you go the slower it gets
        Eos Amaterasu: you think you're falling into the gaps
        Pila Mulligan: we can get there like the turtle, maybe even first
        Eos Amaterasu: but sometimes you find things rising out of the gaps
        Eos Amaterasu: without having lost that "gap"y quality :-)
        Pila Mulligan: I think the idea may be to keep things smooth
        Pila Mulligan: and to do so with the least effort
        Pila Mulligan: while staying conscious
        Eos Amaterasu: sudden turns are also in there (witness Gretzky, Zidane, Bird....)
    Jordan.jpgPila Mulligan: MJ
        Pila Mulligan: MJ had the best sense of timing of any athlete I've seen
        Pila Mulligan: Michael Jordan
        Pila Mulligan: he had timing down pat
        Eos Amaterasu: yes: wu wei, neh?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: actually
        Pila Mulligan: shooting the unaimed basket
        Pila Mulligan: that is the dao of i
        Eos Amaterasu: in some vocabularies this is called becoming a force of nature
        Pila Mulligan: he could tell when the game was flowing against him and he rode it
        Pila Mulligan: yes, it may seem that is what happens
        Eos Amaterasu: aligned with your highest and best intentions, which are also that of the ground you come from
        Pila Mulligan: he could tell when the nature of the game shifted and he surfed it with strong chi
        Eos Amaterasu: Ideally that's what a leader does
        Pila Mulligan: there is a chinese term 'dragging your wheels'
        Pila Mulligan: that is to avoid letting the ground get out form under you :)
        Eos Amaterasu: nice image!
        Pila Mulligan: yes, a good leader needs timing
        Pila Mulligan: so MJ would drag his wheels when the flow was contrary, then let them loose when the time came
        Pila Mulligan: and he was almost always right on
        Eos Amaterasu: Hm, that's really great
        Eos Amaterasu: so you churn into your actual experience, rather than trying to avoid it
        Eos Amaterasu: and if you churn with empty hands/wheels
        Eos Amaterasu: you get into the whole field
        Pila Mulligan: yes, that is where wu wei likes to stay, in the whole field
        Eos Amaterasu: and feel the "shur" (art of war)
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: and a great deal of it is done with breathing :)
        Eos Amaterasu: What would you suggest re breathing in terms of the 9 secs, if anyting?
        Pila Mulligan: do it :)
        Eos Amaterasu: he heh
        Pila Mulligan: a deep breath takes me about 20 seconds
        Pila Mulligan: so do a full breath, however long it takes
        Pila Mulligan: the doctor always gets impatient with the stethoscope when s/he tells me to take a breath :)
        Eos Amaterasu: You also kind of perceive with your breath (especially the "per" part)
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: that is the light of the breath
        Pila Mulligan: it is the connection to the interrelatedness, the light
        Eos Amaterasu: hmm, it just got sunny/lighter here in RL (cloudy day)
        Pila Mulligan: sometimes breathing is heavy or dark and not easy, like a 'contrary' phase in the basketball game context, so then you drag your wheels and work more at just the breathing -- then sometimes it is light and easy and you just go with the flow
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: a nice moment of light
        Eos Amaterasu: Thnx for the presence, Pila - must go make supper
        Pila Mulligan: have a nice evening Eos, it is always fun with you
        Eos Amaterasu: "Remain in Light" (Talking Heads album)
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: aloha `oe

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