2009.08.04 07:00 - a new Same Ol thing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    As I add some comments, I know that I am not in the same moods as I was..  Several times, I have virtually commented this sessio.. Now that I really hit the keys, there is a different feeling that is not as deep.

    Some dreams, some thoughts, some waking.
    Deja Vu has become a smaller meaning then we need.
    Same dreans, same thoughts, same waking.
    Same as it always was, but different.

    Yakuzza entered while I was deciding the pool size.

    <bell>Yakuzza Lethecus: hey riddle
    Riddle Sideways: good morning Yakuzza
    Riddle Sideways: the same ol bell is different today
    It had already started here. The fountain was not quite the same bell.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have audio turned down
    Riddle Sideways: ha, I did too until a minute ago
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you are really early up
    Yakuzza Lethecus: here it´s obviously already 4 pm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but ur on sl time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you drink coffee or tea for breakfast ?
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes, coffee, SL/RL time zone is the same for me and I usually am up by this time
    Riddle Sideways: I enjoy early mornings
    Riddle Sideways: well, I enjoy late nights too :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the only silent part of the day ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone else still in bed ?
    Riddle Sideways: exactly
    Riddle Sideways: yes, the rest of house is in bed
    Riddle Sideways: One of my favs is walking thru completly dark house
    Riddle Sideways: using senses other then eye sight
    Riddle Sideways: in the quiet
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but i only do that in order to not wake everyone up while i cook my first coffee when everyone is sleeping :)
    Hope you, the reader, are having your coffee, tea, me.
    Riddle Sideways: my daughter as baby would awake at 2am and I would rockingly walk her around the dark house for an hour
    Riddle Sideways: knowing that there are 10 steps across my living room
    Walking meditation anyone.
    Riddle Sideways: is a knowledge that makes me smile
    Riddle Sideways: little things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i can imagine :)
    Riddle Sideways: like whispering to the coffee maker to be a little more quiet so as not to awaken others
    Riddle Sideways: it never is
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just use a watercooker and cook brew the coffee myself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we don´t even have a regular coffee machine
    Riddle Sideways: did that same thing for years
    Riddle Sideways: drip coffee
    Yakuzza Lethecus: scald the coffee
    Yakuzza Lethecus: brew is only for beer i guess ? :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can i say scald the coffee ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i would say aufbrühen in german
    Riddle Sideways: I now call it expresso in californian
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no no expresso :)
    Riddle Sideways: there is a very repeatative theme for me today
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but expresso would be better for my stomach
    Riddle Sideways: it is like I know the title of this session before it started
    Riddle Sideways: the brand new same ol thing
    Riddle Sideways: or the same ol thing anew
    Riddle Sideways: an old song that goes "wake up in the morning, same thing for breakfast, so that every one can be feed..."
    Riddle Sideways: <bell> every morning
    Riddle Sideways: (except 2) I get up and make coffee
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi gaya
    Riddle Sideways: but, over the years it changes
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Riddle and Yakuzza :) Sorry for being late.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, ur not a bunny :)
    Riddle Sideways: you not late
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not today :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks Riddle :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how come, never saw u differently .:)
    Riddle Sideways: we were just up earlier then you and getting it ready for you
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Riddle Sideways: me?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Most of the time I've been human Yakuzza. You just met me after I changed into the bunny that's all :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but ur korean right ? so this av also doesn´t fit ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: What do you think Riddle. This AV Koreanesque enough?
    Riddle Sideways: old saying... "if the av fits, wear it" (loosely)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Riddle is familiar with this AV anyway as Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: What's the topic btw? Please let me not interrupt you.
    Riddle Sideways: Gaya, has been many nationalities of av over the last year
    Gaya Ethaniel guffaws.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: coffee and morning habits
    Riddle Sideways: I think it might be the same ol thing
    Riddle Sideways: every morning the sun rises
    Riddle Sideways: but each is alittle different
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: at least our attitude toward the arising
    Riddle Sideways: our point of view
    Riddle Sideways: each day we make coffee
    Riddle Sideways: some times it is bitter
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Riddle Sideways: about every hour this kitty comes and gets in my face while it type
    Riddle Sideways: tradition
    Gaya Ethaniel: Which one?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, the little black weird kitty, the morning tradtion
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: the brand new thoughts that we have each day at *:07
    Riddle Sideways: 8:07
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm ... you notice that pattern each day?
    Riddle Sideways: hard nottoo
    Riddle Sideways: [really having typing probs]
    Gaya Ethaniel: At that precise moment?
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: close enough
    Riddle Sideways: and there is the 5:53 wake up cat
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Riddle Sideways: well, actually she is moved by the sunrise
    Riddle Sideways: 16 minutes before sunrise she jumps up into the window by my head
    Riddle Sideways: and I start thinking about coffee
    Gaya Ethaniel: [sorry ... had to change skirt - weird sitting down ...]
    Riddle Sideways: I gave up trying to change my skirt
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
    Gaya Ethaniel: You want to?
    Riddle Sideways: just do not have the artist fashion gene
    Riddle Sideways: actually no, I like my hakama
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok looks it's ok now :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: You know Riddle I wanted to ask you if you heard of a physicist called David Bohm.
    Riddle Sideways: not sure, think not, but bad with names (goes to wikipedia)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the limits of thought
    Gaya Ethaniel: Looks like he saw common 'features' between science and 'spirituality'.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Limits of thoughts?
    Yakuzza Lethecus is also just looking for him
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a book he had written
    Gaya Ethaniel: I forgot to ask Pema about it last time I saw him at PaB :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: discussions between krishnamurti and bohm
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I've been reading up on Kirshnamurti a bit.
    Riddle Sideways: ah, I am remembering now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also just looking him up, so he´s new to me
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Riddle Sideways: manhatten project
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes ...
    Riddle Sideways: what the manhatten project did to many of the worker's minds / thoughts
    Riddle Sideways: many became deep thinkers
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... you think so?
    Gaya Ethaniel: It kind of left deep marks on people who worked on it right?
    Riddle Sideways: seems like many went into philosphy
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Riddle Sideways: hopefully you have no deep marks in/on your life, but yes it does
    Gaya Ethaniel: I wondered about this point when Michael Jackson died ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: You know the song Ben?
    Riddle Sideways: (Gaya is testing our memories today :)
    Riddle Sideways: can not remember Ben
    Gaya Ethaniel: He sang this when he was very little with quite moving sensitivity ... making some claim that one doesn't need to have same experiences in order to express them.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAmpn8ISV0
    Gaya Ethaniel: But like what you said ... maybe those marks are necessary, like a trigger?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry to test so early in the morning Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: ooooo nice lyrics (I luv the internet search engines)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Me too :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks Yakuzza :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Ben - a dog
    Riddle Sideways: There are songs... we all have them, that bring back those moments
    Riddle Sideways: the same ol song, that same ol feeling, deep or ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, ben was a rat :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I guess ... though I don't think the feeling of unsatisfactoriness arises only from negative events.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah thought it was a dog.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: A lonely boy, played by Lee H. Montgomery, becomes good friends with Ben, a rat. This rat is also the leader of a pack of vicious killer rats... more | add synopsis
    Yakuzza Lethecus: out of imdb
    Yakuzza Lethecus: doesn´t have good ratings better keep what you associate with that song :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: So ... these are feelings that exist/picked up rather than being 'discovered' you mean Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, better to keep our thoguhts, associations of OUR songs , not take other peoples
    Riddle Sideways: not sure Gaya
    Riddle Sideways: some are
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think that commentator on M Jackson ignored the fact that Jackson had a highly unusual childhood ... probably affected him and perhaps helped him to express certain feelings beyond his age.
    Riddle Sideways: what does it do to our thinings ... to have deeply related on personal non-influenced way with lyrics and chord structures and form our own meanings
    Riddle Sideways: then read that it was about a rat
    Gaya Ethaniel: yeah ... I couldn't believe it was about a rat [or dog] when I first heard it :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Who knows ... we can't ask him anymore.
    Riddle Sideways: not sure that it really matters
    Riddle Sideways: is it what it means to you
    Riddle Sideways: or what you've been told
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It doens´t there are many songs like the titanic song by celine dion
    Riddle Sideways: or the product of his life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or vangelis 1492
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... that's true Riddle.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that are just great songs or music not necesserily related to the movies
    Riddle Sideways: or Rhapsody in Blue
    Gaya Ethaniel: Actually our own experiences act like filters when we listen to music or look at arts.
    Riddle Sideways: or make coffee
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: or appreciate this chat
    Gaya Ethaniel: I like Lebanese style best :)
    Riddle Sideways: the sun arose once more this morning
    Riddle Sideways: like it always does
    Riddle Sideways: and we were different for it
    Riddle Sideways: David Bynes "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was..."
    Riddle Sideways: *r
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I will ask you what prompted you to become an activist next time Riddle if I remember :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, another long subject
    Gaya Ethaniel: You promised to tell us all about it for a while now :)
    Riddle Sideways: opps, I thought it was just a way to get out of telling
    Gaya Ethaniel guffaws/
    Riddle Sideways: (caught)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Off the hook today with time :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day both :)
    Riddle Sideways: whew, thanks
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Riddle Sideways:<bell>
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