Page last modified 17:20, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session, which ended up nicely poised between earnest and silliness.*

Wol Euler: hello hana, shyama

Hana Furlough: hello wul and shyama!

Wol Euler: brb, I got in late and am still making tea :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey

Wol Euler: hello yakuzza

Wol Euler: how is everyone this evening?

Yakuzza Lethecus: warm :)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi yakuzza

Wol Euler: :)

Hana Furlough: hi yakuzza~

Hana Furlough: so what's on everyone's mind today?

Wol Euler: tea :)

Shyama Sheryffe: lol..i was wondering the light ball in yakuzzas hands, but it is a cuo of tea

Wol Euler: hello qt

Qt Core: hi all

Hana Furlough: hi qt

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, it's supposed to be hot green tea :)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi qt

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt

Yakuzza Lethecus: no relations to linux ?

--BELL--

Qt Core: me ? many, but not from my name ;-)

Shyama notices that we are sitting symmetrically, mirrored about the fountain.

Shyama Sheryffe: we r sitting very nicely in symmetry :)

Hana Furlough: unforseen

Wol Euler: indeed, I just took a photo from above

Qt Core: some of us are obsessed with it ;-)

Wol Euler looks around curiously.

Hana Furlough: have you ever read the book symmetry?

Shyama Sheryffe: no ?

Wol Euler: no, don't know that.

Hana Furlough: oh you really should

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fael

Wol Euler: what's it about?

Hana Furlough: it's a mathematician who studies symmetry

Wol Euler: ah

Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Shyama,Hana, Yakuzza, Qt :)

Wol Euler: hello fael

Qt Core: there are several;, i think i have a couple of them around (unreaded yet)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi fael :)

Qt Core: hi Fael

Hana Furlough: apparently all possible symmetries have been mapped out across a whole spectrum of dimensions

Hana Furlough: hi fael

Shyama Sheryffe: smiles at wol

Hana Furlough: anyway, he spends a lot of the book appreciating symmetries

Hana Furlough: it's really nice

Wol Euler: nice! well done hana

Fael Illyar: I see... symmetry important today?

Shyama Sheryffe: symmetry is nice and balancing

Wol Euler: always, fael :)

Fael deliberately moves aside to break the symmetry.

Wol Euler: ah, boo!

Fael Illyar giggles.

Wol Euler: spoilsport.

Shyama Sheryffe: if qt would move...

He does.

Wol Euler grins.

Fael again shifts to another, assymetrically placed, cushion.

Wol Euler sighs.

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Wol Euler: you are determined to be difficult, aren't you?

Fael Illyar smiles.

Wol Euler: oh, wait, 1 2 3. I see it now.

Shyama Sheryffe: perhaps we always need to brake the symmetry too

Fael Illyar: I've my own view of the symmetry :P

Fael Illyar: it didn't match yours :)

Wol Euler: I noticed.

Qt Core: we are even gender symmetric ;-)

Shyama Sheryffe: yes, faels symmetry is creative :)

Wol Euler: true

Fael Illyar: This is the dress from the lucky chair at that place with the "discount" the other day :)

Fael Illyar: ... was that yesterday?

Wol Euler: mmhmm, it was :)

Wol Euler: nice :)

--BELL--

Fael Illyar: I didn't like the ones for sale enough to buy but... Funny I like this one :)

arabella Ella: hiya

Fael Illyar: Hi ara, Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: hiya

Wol Euler: hello mick

Hana Furlough: hi mick

Mickorod Renard: Hi guys

Wol Euler: oops ...

Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya mick

Shyama Sheryffe: hi mick, arabella

Qt Core: hi Mick

Wol Euler: hello ara

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ara

Mickorod and Arabella choose seats across the fountain, restoring the group's symmetry.

Shyama Sheryffe: perfect symmetry now

Hana Furlough: hi ara

Wol Euler smiles

Mickorod Renard: have u a subject on the go?

Wol Euler: symmetry?

arabella Ella: :)

Mickorod Renard: purfect

Wol Euler: Hana had started to tell about a book called "symmetry"

Mickorod Renard: yes?

Wol Euler looks across encouragingly.

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: whats it all about then Hana?

Fael Illyar smiles.

Hana Furlough: lol

We discuss the book that Hana mentioned.

Hana Furlough: well it's by a mathematician at oxford

Mickorod Renard: do u know his name?

Hana Furlough: a lot of it was over my head, being that i don't specialize in math

Hana Furlough: one moment

Wol Euler: but it was interesting enough that you kept going, I infer?

Hana Furlough: yes, i'm still reading

Mickorod Renard: yes,dont let me distract you

Hana Furlough: it's by marcus du satoy

Hana Furlough: http://www.amazon.com/Symmetry-Journ...9504517&sr=1-1

Mickorod Renard: ty

Hana Furlough: it's really nice though

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia

Mickorod Renard: hi Sophia

sophia Placebo: hi yak all

Wol Euler: hello sophia, nice to see you again

Hana Furlough: apparently some of the early mathematicians were trying to find out about god in numbers

Qt Core: ohh, i love him, you all should read his book about prime numbers, one of the best book i ever read (and reread)

Hana Furlough: his sophia

Hana Furlough: really?

Hana Furlough: ok will do~

sophia Placebo: same to you wol :)

Fael Illyar: Hi Sophia :)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia

arabella Ella: hiya sophia

Mickorod Renard: has he something revealing to say?

arabella Ella: i have watched documentaries about the search for perfection or God in numbers

Fael Illyar: Hi Bert :)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi bert

arabella Ella: Hiya Bertram

Hana Furlough: well there's this one part where he talks to a christian on the plane, and he basically dismisses the guy because his interest was motivated in revealing the divine through math

sophia Placebo: Hi Bert

Hana Furlough: hi bert

Wol Euler: hello bertram

arabella Ella: what is your opinion on that Hana?

Mickorod Renard: "Professor Marcus du Sautoy is a professor of mathematics at the University of Oxford. His research interests include understanding the world of symmetry using zeta functions, a classical tool from number theory. His work uses a wide range of methods including p-adic Lie groups, model theory, algebraic geometry and analytic methods."

Math and appreciation.

Hana Furlough: i think math is a great tool for appreciation

Hana Furlough: yeah and the funny thing is, he is so good at appreciation in the book!

Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza

Hana Furlough: i found it odd that he wasn't so open to the idea of god

Mickorod Renard: sounds like we should invite him to PaB

arabella Ella: Hiya Eliza

sophia Placebo: hi eliza

Hana Furlough: hi there eliza

Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)

Wol Euler: hello eliza

Hana Furlough: we totally should~

Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza, and Bert

arabella Ella: appreciation of what though Hana?

Eliza Madrigal: Wow, just happened to rezz on an open pillow :)

Hana Furlough: of math, symmetry, possibilities

Bertram Jacobus: hy eliza ... :-)

Hana Furlough: how was the book on primes?

Bertram Jacobus: hy eliza ... (chat lag here?) ... hm ... ;-)

Qt Core: it is not full of math, but full of the stories of the efforts matematicians did in the past decades to demonstrate the Reienmann congecture about primes

Bertram Jacobus: hello ariasia ... :-)

Arisia Vita: Hi all

Qt Core: i almost felt the tension and the urge they had

sophia Placebo: hi arisia

Hana Furlough: hi arisla

Fael Illyar: Hi Ari :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: hello ari, nice to see you.

Hana Furlough: yeah parts of symmetry are inspiring like that too!

Mickorod Renard: Hi Ari

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari :)

arabella Ella: Hiya Ari!

Shyama Sheryffe: hi eliza, arisia :)

Qt Core: the best bart is the one about Ramanujan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanujan)

Mickorod Renard: "I'm trying to use a zeta-function not to understand how prime numbers are distributed, but to understand what sort of symmetries can exist. It is like putting on a completely different pair of glasses. I'm looking at the things that I want to understand, but I'll take the glasses from number theory, and you get a completely different view of these things. I think that's very exciting. I'll try on as many pairs of glasses as I can!"

Mickorod Renard: sorry,,that was the prof

arabella Ella: :)

Symmetry, circularity and karma.

Shyama Sheryffe: hm.. could symmetry hav something to do with karma doctrine ?

Hana Furlough: pretty nice, right?

Hana Furlough: what do you mean shy?

Shyama Sheryffe: well, if i throw a ball to the wall

Shyama Sheryffe: it bounces back symmetrcally to me

Wol Euler: (allowing for frictional losses and gravity, but yes :)

Wol Euler <- pedant

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Shyama Sheryffe: so perhaps symmetry is behind everything

arabella Ella: some people claim it is but

arabella Ella: i think it is simply part of our perception

Bertram Jacobus: wol - tibetans say the relative should be handled as fine as farina ... ;-)

arabella Ella: just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Hana Furlough: well i would agree that there is a pattern to what we see in the universe

Wol Euler looks at her hands and ponders.

Hana Furlough: but what we see is not always so

Hana Furlough: there's this really nice point in symmetry where du satoy says that math is random and not random

Wol Euler smiles

Absolute or relative, Being, randomness.

Hana Furlough: so do you think Being might be something beyond random?

Mickorod Renard: I think that question is too much for my por old brain

Hana Furlough: lol

Bertram Jacobus: isn't random relative and being absolute ?

Hana Furlough: or is Being just absolutely relative?

Bertram Jacobus: or may be both

Hana Furlough: ok

Wol Euler: "beyond" doesn't fit well for me, I am trying to put my finger on why.

Fael Illyar: Being is a non-concept that can be useful in dispelling notions that prevent understanding.

Hana Furlough: perhaps "greater than"?

Mickorod Renard: I think this is why God is a useful description sometimes,,as he is often described as unquantifiable, should you believe in Him

Pi, patterns, fractals and randomness.

Wol Euler: there is randomness in things like expanding Pi to billions of decimal places, without ever seeing a repeated pattern in it

Wol Euler: but that might only mean that we don't really understand Pi. If we were to look at it another way, we might recognize patterns ...

Hana Furlough: yeah i was wondering about that

Fael Illyar: Pi itself is a pattern :)

Wol Euler: say more?

Fael Illyar: whether it repeats or not does not make a difference :)

Wol Euler: then what is its pattern-ness?

Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)

Bertram Jacobus: hi moon ... :-)

Hana Furlough: hi moon

Moon Fargis: greetings everyone

Mickorod Renard: Hi Moon

Shyama Sheryffe: hi moon

Wol Euler: hello moon!

Moon Fargis looks around a bit

Fael Illyar: Pi is like a fractal in that.

arabella Ella: Hiya Moon :)

Hana Furlough: what's a fractal?

Mickorod Renard: I think fractals are the way to go

Eliza Madrigal smiles big, feeling hugged by flowers

Mickorod Renard: nature is full of fractals

Hana Furlough: wow this is so nice

Wol Euler: you'll have to explain that to me Fael, because fractals are full of repetition on many scales. Pi doesn't repeat.

Hana Furlough: s that like fibonacci?

Fael Illyar: you can keep going, it never ends :)

Moon Fargis: ^^ you can say that pi is the allmighty number

--BELL--

Moon Fargis: cus when you develop a algorythm, that can put numbers to words or letters, pi could theoretical contan every spoken wrd of the time

Moon Fargis: ah hmm well seems ive been callen already but was a nice . ehm talk so far:))

Moon Fargis: see you soon ^^/

Mickorod Renard: bye

Shyama Sheryffe: flowers were nice :)

Hana Furlough: bye

Mickorod Renard: A fractal is generally "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole"

Bertram Jacobus: hi singularity

Mickorod Renard: some say that the universe can be explained in fractal terms

Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks away, good night everyone

Shyama Sheryffe: does it have to do something with holographs ?

Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku

Wol Euler: 'night yak, take care

Bertram Jacobus: good night to you too yakuza

Wol Euler: singularity, have a seat, join us :)

Hana Furlough: good night yakuzza

Hana Furlough: hi singularity

Mickorod Renard: holographs in some form may also be part of a mystery of what we consist of

Wol Euler: I'll give you an intro in IM to avoid disturbing the group

Hana Furlough: so what would that mean if we could explain the universe in terms of fractals

Hana Furlough: ?

Mickorod Renard: something like that you could keep looking smaller and smaller and find that it never ends

Shyama Sheryffe: could it mean that in each of us is the same principle as in the whole universe ?

Mickorod Renard: maybe

Hana Furlough: jinx, shyama!

Hana Furlough: i was just wondering that

Mickorod Renard: and the universe is a lil atom in another universe

Hana Furlough: wow's that's really nice~

Shyama Sheryffe: and atom is an universe

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: but perhaps we should stay within the realms of what we understand here

Eliza Madrigal: I need to go. I think I will really enjoy reading this log but there've been too many distractions in RL to keep up :)

Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see everyone , bye for now

arabella Ella: bye Eliza

Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza

Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care

Bertram Jacobus: i'll leave - ty for the talk, have a nice time and may all beings be happy please ...

Wol Euler: and bye bertram

Mickorod Renard: bye Bert

Qt Core: bye eliza, bert

arabella Ella: bye Bert

Hana Furlough: bye bert!

The goodbyes leave us with a smaller, nearly symmetrical group.

arabella Ella: oh no we have lost our symmetry in the circle now :)

Hana Furlough: bye eliza

Wol Euler: eh, that went long ago :)

Wol Euler: fael could restore it, but probably won't :-P

arabella Ella: came and went tonight :)

Mickorod Renard: smetry in our daily lives is perhaps good?

arabella Ella: come on Fael?

Wol Euler: c'mon, just this once, it won't hurt :)

Hana Furlough: but asymmetry has such a nice aesthetic too~

Shyama Sheryffe: i was just thinking...

Shyama Sheryffe: same..

arabella Ella: could we take regularity in our lives to be symmetry?

Mickorod Renard: I was thinking balance

Fael Illyar: symmetry looks lost, no matter what I do :)

Singularity Soler: no

Wol Euler: balance, or circularities too

arabella Ella: i was thinking more like routine which is integral to our lives

Qt Core: or it is that we can just know beforehand how things are going to go, seeing only part of "the thing"

Mickorod Renard: but the routine may not be balanced

Wol Euler: true; I had lost sight of Singularity.

Singularity Soler: thats not symmetry... it may be repetition.. .buts is not symetrical

Fael Illyar: oh wait, it isn't :)

Wol Euler: aprt from you, it is :)

Fael Illyar: Although, this way singularity can't join th symmetry :)

Wol Euler: mirror symmetry on a line from fael to hana

arabella Ella: :)

Shyama Sheryffe: this brings to me he yin - yang symbol

Singularity Soler: no.... a pattern is not determined to be symetrical that merely repeats.. .that is another pattern

Wol Euler: anyway :)

Singularity Soler: symmetry has to do with mirror image and its effect... balance.... could be part of that or not

arabella Ella: but if something is symmetrical isnt it just a repeated pattern mirror image?

Singularity Soler: the underlying pattern of daily life is really in blance

Wol Euler: ara, there are also rotational symmetries, like the blades of a fan.

--BELL--

arabella Ella: like for eg we wake up and get dressed mornings, mirror image at night?

Hana Furlough: or a starfish

Singularity Soler: you forget causaility ensures that is one directional

Singularity Soler: you dont get dressed before you get up... at least lets not hope so

Singularity Soler: that would be a mirror of the causality dimension

Shyama Sheryffe: would that be a nice life if we only repeat symmetrically every day things we do ?

Wol Euler: true, but neither do you go to bed before getting undressed.

Mickorod Renard: I have

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Wol Euler: well, ok, fair enough. I knew as I said it that it was contentious :)

Mickorod Renard: but then I get up already dressed,,so its balanced

Hana Furlough: nice!

Shyama Sheryffe: perhaps we need both..asymmetry in symmetry

Wol Euler nods

arabella Ella: random and non random too as Hana said earlier tonight

Mickorod Renard: yes

arabella Ella: and if we look at science today some is random some appears not to be random

Mickorod Renard: dualistic?

Hana Furlough: yeah

Qt Core: i think we like for the world outside us to be symmetric (prevedible) and our impact to it asymmetric, "special" and recognizable

arabella Ella: :)

Wol Euler: ah, nice idea QT!

Hana Furlough: right but we need to get comfortable with uncertainty

Hana Furlough: otherwise we will never really see

Mickorod Renard: even the days are light and dark and the seasons too

Mickorod Renard: balance in ways

Shyama Sheryffe: and sometimes it storm..but we dont know when

Hana Furlough: is there balance in a storm?

Mickorod Renard: ok guys,,I must get home,,feed the sl pets and so on

arabella Ella: nite Mick

Fael Illyar: See you later Mick :)

Shyama Sheryffe: nite Mick

Mickorod Renard: nite nite everyone

Qt Core: bye mick

Wol Euler: bye mick, take care

Hana Furlough: nite mick~

arabella Ella: nite everyone must go too :)

Shyama Sheryffe: i have to go too, nite everyone

arabella Ella: thanks for the interesting chat :)

Wol Euler: and I! an exodus.

Wol Euler: goodnight ara, shyama, and everyon else too.

Fael Illyar: See you later Shyama :)

Fael Illyar: See you later Wol :)

Hana Furlough: i should go as well

Qt Core: bye all leaving friends ;-)

Wol Euler: be happy, whether random or not :)

Hana Furlough: thanks everyone

Fael Illyar: See you later Hana :)

Hana Furlough: haha thanks wol!

Hana Furlough: ttys!

Qt Core: ok, i have to goo too, bye all

Fael Illyar: See you later Qt :)

Arisia Vita: bye Qt

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