2009.08.06 01:00 - Sensefullness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are by Fael Illyar.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning fael
    Fael Illyar: How are you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: fine
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i did nothing sensefull so far this morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i already played a round of company of heroes
    Fael Illyar: no problem with that :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: omg
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i have vacation for 2 weeks or there is only tomorrow left :)
    Fael Illyar: sensefullness is not quite that simple :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats true, but in that game i do everything out of routine
    Fael Illyar: If you find it worth your time, then you get something out of it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even games are ok when ur still learning them
    Fael Illyar: Do you know what that something is?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that something ?
    Fael Illyar: you obviously get something out of playing it, since you play it :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i don´t know, in my case i think i learned to speak english through those games because i got a lot of contacts thourgh that game
    Yakuzza Lethecus: coh was the first game where i went to an american teamspeak and nobody was interested in learning german so i had to speak english and i knew the context of the game so speaking became pretty easy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but right now i don´t know what i still gain
    Fael Illyar: Then it's something you don't see as a gain but still is.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so there are always implicit things we gain out of new tools, here in 2nd life it´s even the value of communication
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s not about destroying somebody´s base :)
    Fael Illyar: Even Company of Heroes is communication if you play it against humans :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i only play games with and against humans but at least i don´t play any mmog´s and only that strategie game
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am scared to play something just to gain the next level :)
    Fael Illyar: why?
    Fael Illyar: (been there, done that, got bored)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i played a browsergame called xwars/galaxywars/andaloria
    Yakuzza Lethecus: those browsergames where really addictive by that time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: they were mmogs and the purpose of achieving a better level or a specific goal was in the end to use that to gain benefits in the game and to spend more time in the game :)
    Fael Illyar: yes, very classic design :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats why i think i keep CoH, it´s always a symmetric start
    Fael Illyar: not really, no, different players have different skills :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but when ur an unskilled player and you buy item xy for money you can win maybe against players with better skill just because you might have invested money into a game
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean you can´t buy a 2nd queen in chess
    Yakuzza Lethecus: would you play a game of chess when ur opponend buys 8 queens for those 8 farmers ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol i don´t know whats bauer in chess in english :)
    Fael Illyar: pawn?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right thepawn
    Fael Illyar: you know, if I was looking for a challenge and was lacking other skilled players, I just might ;)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe
    Fael Illyar: I see not much point playing a game I know I'll win.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, the game i did before was just 1:30hrs
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was nearly too challenging
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my coffee was cold and i felt even bad because i wanted to read this morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ,,just a little game" :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
    Fael Illyar: Hi Sophia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope you don´t play anything on the internet ?
    sophia Placebo: hi yak , fael
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
    Fael Illyar: me? only SL, if you want to call it playing :)
    Fael Illyar: Well, if you do, I'm playing business and so far losing money :P
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you work on SL ?
    Fael Illyar: I have a shop :)
    Fael Illyar: working at persuading people to pay for my stuff :)
    sophia Placebo: commercials?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i once owned 8 lindens here :), because the groupleader made a mistake while talking the donations and she gave it to all members
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i never bought anything in SL
    Fael Illyar: Yes, no need to, really :)
    Fael Illyar: I haven't really advertised much so far.
    sophia Placebo: i guess the main consumers are the role players in sl
    Fael Illyar: except for doing things that give grassroots word of mouth
    sophia Placebo: and the shopping addict
    Fael Illyar: main population of SL is clubgoers I hear.
    Fael Illyar: they want to look good :)
    sophia Placebo: but are they consumers?
    Fael Illyar: Many are
    Fael Illyar: but, depends really.
    Fael Illyar: I've heard it tends to take several months before someone becomes willing to put RL money in SL at all.
    Fael Illyar: but, there are ways to get money inworld too.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, SL makes me thinking about how i look in RL
    Fael Illyar: Heh, yes, it has that effect too.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and how i interact and if i might should get contacts who like to dance real life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s funny here you just find a nice poseball
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but in real life you stand or sit on ur ass in front of ur pc while enjoing that :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean the inspiration potential of SL is fantastic
    Fael Illyar: It definitely is :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how is the weather ? :)
    Fael Illyar: It's sunny :)
    sophia Placebo: :) hot as usual
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, we´re supposed to have 30 degree´s today
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that will be hot for us
    sophia Placebo: we sometimes dont belive when some news come that some poeple die from heat in europe
    sophia Placebo: we go like : it is just 40 !
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sophia: are you learning about emotional intelligence ? how the sense of our body has an influence how likly we are going to be ill ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: placebo effect and those things ?
    sophia Placebo: can you expalin yak ?
    sophia Placebo: chat lag
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not really, was asking you, i just heard about that again but i can´t elaborate on that but it´s obviously interesting how our mind influences even our health
    sophia Placebo: thats affect us being well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: my problem is that that direction is very fast in an unscientific realm
    sophia Placebo: not sure about being ill though
    sophia Placebo: though stress and too much worries are a way to illness
    sophia Placebo: anger , depression , anxiety and many more do have some hormonal and other body chemical effects
    sophia Placebo: those chemicals affcts other body parts
    Fael Illyar: yes, mind has a huge effect on the body
    Fael Illyar wonders how many diseases are really mental.
    sophia Placebo: it is not a short term result that would show , but rather a longer term one that is interacted with envirmental factors
    Fael Illyar: Yes, of course :)
    sophia Placebo: well fael if you count life style as a mental issue then yes plenty of them are mental
    Fael Illyar: life style is very mental, yes :)
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: that includes eating and sleeping pattern and quality
    Fael Illyar: yes, those too :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is it beautyful in saudi arabia to have white skin ?
    sophia Placebo: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example the sun milk advertisments in australia have people with white skin
    sophia Placebo: both actually have thier fans
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in europe we usually have brown skin :)
    sophia Placebo: we dont have skin adevertising
    sophia Placebo: except the chemicals to whiten skin , only one product so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus got to think about michael jackson :P
    sophia Placebo: i guess we dont need a tanning chemicals :))
    sophia Placebo: skin is not at all an issue here
    sophia Placebo: nor race
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean sun makes our skin age faster so i dunno why it´s still popular to be brown
    Fael Illyar: no racism?
    sophia Placebo: no
    Fael Illyar: that sounds quite extraordinary...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how come the bridge to race ?
    sophia Placebo: we are all humans ?
    Fael Illyar: of course :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: The funny thing in my sense is that it´s important that it´s not a topic
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i even hate those east/westgermans discussions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: those discussions keep the controversial thoughts alive
    sophia Placebo: we have disagreements , but not race based
    Fael Illyar: Ah, yes, thought based?
    sophia Placebo: though now the arab nationalists and persian nationalists trying to bring such a thing to surface
    sophia Placebo: we have sunni shia thing
    sophia Placebo: and poeple gove conflict
    sophia Placebo: other disagreements btw poeple are considered noramal btw nighbours
    sophia Placebo: it is just a thing that happens
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right, there will always be conflicts everywhere
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and conflicts are a good thing as long people know how to settle them peacefully
    sophia Placebo: yes yak , as long as they dont abuse it and take it to non justefy level
    sophia Placebo: like sectarian bombs in iraq pakistan and afghanistan
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right, i remember the time when just 1 dead student in germany created a big revolt and media echo in entire germany during the 60th
    sophia Placebo: those shia sunni disagreement is long lived one , some sick hearted poeple are using it to reach their intersts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in afghanistan 130 civilians are dead and the states just say ,,ups it was a mistake"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example german forces are only still there because we are allied with the us
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we can´t keep peace when our forces are drive in armored vehicles not talking to the people
    sophia Placebo: we are trying to bring the disagreeement to thought fight again ,in forums books and diffrent media
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there is more money spend for the military then for reconstruction
    sophia Placebo: true
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, how to channel conflicts in a right way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to provide the people at least with a feeling of just
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you have ,,better" political talkshows ?
    sophia Placebo: what do you mean better ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good question i would consider the german talkshow ,,hart aber fair" as a better one
    sophia Placebo: oh i see, a favorite talkshow ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing low quality on the afternoon
    sophia Placebo: no , depend on the subject and the interverwer and the intervewed
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ,,better" is really very subjective sorry
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i mean nothing with 5 fat woman discussion fastfood and the next diet
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: we got almost all the channels for free
    sophia Placebo: 80 % of it are entertainment ones
    sophia Placebo: the rest is either political or religouse
    sophia Placebo: political varies , one should alwys consider the party behind the channle
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we have our öffentlich rechtlichen channels here in germany
    Yakuzza Lethecus: they have a very good reputation
    sophia Placebo: the 2 major ones are aljazeera and al arabeya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially for their non entertainment engagement
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like ard,zdf
    Yakuzza Lethecus: they also owe channels like deutsche welle
    sophia Placebo: alarabeya been discreted by almost all
    sophia Placebo: so we got aljazeera
    sophia Placebo: aljazeera varies in its credibility , depends on the inervewrer much
    Yakuzza Lethecus: does every little city in saudi arabia got his own newspaper ?
    sophia Placebo: we got almanar channel , that is hizbullah channel , was the best on the israel lebanon war in 2006
    sophia Placebo: no in saudi arabia , we got only the offical channels
    sophia Placebo: and news papaers
    sophia Placebo: g2g :)
    sophia Placebo: bye!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later sophia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so, cya around fael
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ryokan ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i will check ur places out later :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
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