2009.08.10 07:00 - Nature, of Identity

Kallie Kira: hi Alexandra
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello
Alexandra Sharkfin: Is the meeting taking place soon?
Kallie Kira: yes, the meeting is taking place now
Alexandra Sharkfin: may I join you?
Kallie Kira: yes of course
Kallie Kira: are you here for the play as being discussion?
Alexandra Sharkfin: yes, exactly
Kallie Kira: please have a seat :)

Alexandra Sharkfin: actually, I am here because of a project I am participating in.
Kallie Kira: I see, what is that?
Alexandra Sharkfin: is Kiremimi Tigerpaw coming?
Kallie Kira: I don't know
Kallie Kira: whoever shows up shows up
Alexandra Sharkfin: I understand
Alexandra Sharkfin: I am quite new IN SL
Kallie Kira: are you familiar with the group? have you attended before?
Kallie Kira: yes, I saw your profile
Alexandra Sharkfin: no, it would be my first time participating, but I do know what the group is about
Kallie Kira: ok, also that the chat is recorded?
Kallie Kira: and put on the web?
Alexandra Sharkfin: I see "recording", so I figuerd out
Alexandra Sharkfin: KIRA, right?
doug Sosa: morning
Kallie Kira: are you ok with your comments being in the log?
Kallie Kira: hi Doug :)
Kallie Kira: this is play as being which is part of Kira
Alexandra Sharkfin: rather so, if I have anything interesting to say
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello
Kallie Kira: what is your project Alexandra?
Alexandra Sharkfin: well, it's a project about the nature of our identity in virtual world
doug Sosa: interesting!
Kallie Kira: and ...? :)
Kallie Kira: so this is an assignment?
Alexandra Sharkfin: it's just a beginning. I am trying to trace how we negotiate our identity with avatars we choose as our representation
Alexandra Sharkfin: It's more than an assigment, I guess.
Kallie Kira: there are lots of Kira activities to participate in... this particular one can be pretty personal :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello everyone
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello
Kallie Kira: hi Yakuzza :)
doug Sosa: morning.
Yakuzza Lethecus: not really :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: afternoon :)
doug Sosa: well, if we get up late :)
Kallie Kira: :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: do you have any particular topics that you choose for a meeting?
Kallie Kira: this particular group is engaged in a form of micro-meditation where every 15 minutes we stop for 9 seconds .... we meet here to discuss our experiences ... and other things :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning pema
Kallie Kira: hi Pema :)
doug Sosa: morning (afternoon)

Pema Pera: Hi Kallie & friends :-)
Kallie Kira: hi Stevenaia :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello stev
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello
stevenaia Michinaga: waiting for pillow to rezz
Kallie Kira: we are just getting started, explaining a little to Alexandra whom if I understand correctly is one of Kiremimi's students :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: exactly
Pema Pera: oh, hi Alexandra!
Pema Pera: welcome to Play as Being
stevenaia Michinaga: Kiremimi?
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello:)
Kallie Kira: the assignment is to explore the nature of identity in vw's :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: well, explain is a big word:)
Kallie Kira: Kiremimi Tigerpaw is a Kira board member and professor in rl :)
Pema Pera: yes, I heard from Kiremimi about it, and actually Kiremimi is sitting here next to me in San Francisco in RL -- as Eiko Ikegami, my wife :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: thx
Alexandra Sharkfin: :)
Kallie Kira: ah, tell her she has a very good student doing homework! :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: that's nice to hear
Pema Pera: And Eiko is saying hello to y'all !
Kallie Kira: hey there Eiko :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello to professor Ikegami
Alexandra Sharkfin: :)

Pema Pera: I'm asking Kiremimi to join us for a moment, hang on!
Kallie Kira: excellent
doug Sosa: hm.
Pema Pera: she's getting curious now . . . .
Alexandra Sharkfin: ok,great
stevenaia Michinaga: checks dog for eaten homework
Pema Pera: hehehe
Kallie Kira: while we wait I thought I'd acknowledge your last 100 days post Pema
Kallie Kira: I thought I would respond but don't want to hog the channel, maybe some others will chime in :)
Pema Pera: well, Eiko has postponed downloading the latest SL version . . . and now it seems you have to do so to get in; it may not work today
Kallie Kira: ok
Kallie Kira: we'll be here a while :)

Pema Pera: (Eiko/Kiremimi is giving up, she is preparing a talk she has to give here in a few hours)
Pema Pera: Thank you, Kallie!
Pema Pera: It was fun yesterday, to do those explorations with the whole group
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
Pema Pera: at 7 am and then again at 1 pm
Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!
Alexandra Sharkfin: (anyhow, best greetings to her)
Kallie Kira: hi Sophia :)
Pema Pera: (thanks Alex!)
Pema Pera: did you have any specific responses to the 100 days post, Kallie?
Kallie Kira: not specific responses, just my own small wanderings :) same ballpark though
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: do you want to share a random small wandering, by any chance?
Kallie Kira: lol
Kallie Kira: it seems terribly random atm :)
Pema Pera: (I loved the description you sent a while ago, about letting it all go!)
Kallie Kira: ah, for sure, you know that was an amazing thing .... being a big sentient blob :)
Pema Pera: a new term, BSB . . . .
Kallie Kira: lol
Pema Pera: find your own BSB at PAB
Kallie Kira: I was thinking about watching thoughts come and then go, having them pop up and then release
Kallie Kira: I was listening to a jazz trio the other night ....
Kallie Kira: at an upstairs place with a big picture window that looked out on the city
Kallie Kira: and the door was open with the breeze coming up the stairwell
Kallie Kira: and outside, in the breeze was a beautifully formed tree
Kallie Kira: that as the music played would dance back and forth
Kallie Kira: and my thoughts, coming and going
Kallie Kira: would dance from branch to branch, waving around
Kallie Kira: then go to the sky on the breeze
Kallie Kira: totally does not make sense but there you have it
Kallie Kira: and one of the thoughts I had and let go was
Kallie Kira: that I have been kind of floating along a lot recently
Kallie Kira: doing my thing
Kallie Kira: but often seeing and then seeing something else
Kallie Kira: not attached to any of it
Kallie Kira: my own branches kind of dancing and letting things hop place to place
Kallie Kira: then not caring, just letting it go, maybe into the air to another tree
Kallie Kira: it is awesome
Pema Pera: I can feel the branches swaying, Kal, what a great description!
Kallie Kira: it was amazing, like a dance performed for me to Charlie Parker's music ... it was gorgeous
Kallie Kira: so, not really doing 9sec exactly but feeling the space of it
Pema Pera: :)
sophia Placebo: lovely

Kallie Kira: ha ha, probably just totally and irrevocably losing it :)
Kallie Kira: anyone else care to share?
Pema Pera: that would be good, Kal, you don't want to go back :-)
Kallie Kira: lol, makes me wonder :)
Kallie Kira: almost made a wish :)
sophia Placebo: :)
Pema Pera: which wish?
Kallie Kira: I wish my buddy would come with me :)
sophia Placebo: hehe
Kallie Kira: or at least visit :)
Pema Pera: hahaha
sophia Placebo: is it that hard to drag him to here ?
Pema Pera: wouldn't it be nice to let them join in our dreams and day dreams . . . .
Kallie Kira: yes, to know someone *really* gets what you are trying to say or what you feel

Kallie Kira: an interesting question about the nature of identity Alexandra :)
Kallie Kira: for your assignment :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: it's definitely a complex issue, the "I" in the vw
Kallie Kira: sure in vw, and even dare we say, rl? :)
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: during Real Jazz
Alexandra Sharkfin: have you ever thought about it more?
Kallie Kira: I think it has crossed the minds of everyone here :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: true
doug Sosa: How much unfreedom is in our thoughts now? My guess, and it is onlythat, is that a transcript of our real thoughts would dwarf the posted one.
Kallie Kira: good point.... I only touched the barest elements of description of what happened

stevenaia Michinaga: I must get back to work, was reading this log and posting my own.... see you all soon
doug Sosa: ciao
Kallie Kira: ok, bye :) I think most here are multi-tasking :)
Pema Pera: I was wondering about that too, Kallie :-
Pema Pera: or just very quiet :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i also use a 2nd monitor :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: one more or less only for sl :)
Pema Pera: actually, meanwhile Kiremimi managed to download her latest update for SL
Pema Pera: progress :)
Kallie Kira: :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: I will have to leave soon, it's getting late in rl here
Yakuzza Lethecus: where r you from alex ?
Pema Pera: bye Alex!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Alexandra Sharkfin: Warsaw, Poland:)
Kallie Kira: late/early/today/tomorrow .... all part of identity :)
doug Sosa: ah, it is almost early!
Yakuzza Lethecus: germany here :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: its 4:50 pm
Alexandra Sharkfin: here you can actually feel how relative time is:)
Pema Pera: California where I am (almost a separate country)
doug Sosa: I am just up the peninsula fro Pema.
Pema Pera: :)
Kallie Kira: will be in your country Wed Pema and Doug :)
Pema Pera: and Kallie is from the Lone Star (State) in the universe!
Alexandra Sharkfin: :)
Pema Pera: yes, looking forward to seeing you at SLCC, Kallie
Kallie Kira: for sure :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, texas, i had to google that

Pema Pera: did you know that Eiko and Steven and Saki and I will all be there at the first day at least?
doug Sosa: CC?
Pema Pera: hehehe, Yak
Kallie Kira: yes, the only former Republic in the U.S. :)
Pema Pera: Second Life Community Convention, Doug
Pema Pera: in San Francisco this year
doug Sosa: ah! I will drive past..
Kallie Kira: there is a roadrunner outside my window!
Pema Pera: yeah!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello kireminmi
doug Sosa: beautiful!
Pema Pera: there is a skyflyer in front of me :-)
Kallie Kira: lol
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: hi,
Pema Pera: Doug, for SLCC see http://www.slconvention.org/
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello :)

Kallie Kira: we named him Chappie, he comes for the bugs :)
Pema Pera: Kallie and Chappie -- could be an opera!
Kallie Kira: hi there Kiremimi :)
Kallie Kira: cues Tx version of Verdi :)
Kallie Kira: some nice bird aria
Pema Pera: was thinking of Porky and Bess
Kallie Kira: LOL
Kallie Kira: even better
Kallie Kira: just heard a Verdi aria, it's on my mind :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: hello:) I must say it's one of the most beautiful vw identities I have seen :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: I just wanted to see the Play as Being because I read the etxts
Kallie Kira: lovely on the inside too :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: and got interested
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: very good
Pema Pera: (just to wrap up from before: "I've got plenty of nothing", Kallie <-- your account, and Porky & Bess song)

Pema Pera: glad you made it Kiremimi!
Kallie Kira: lol, perfect!
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: thanks
Pema Pera: you'll finally meet Kallie at SLCC in a few days
Kallie Kira: yes, plus my sister Cal :)
Kallie Kira: we all met at Kira Japan :)
doug Sosa: i must go. thanks
Kallie Kira: bye Doug :)
Pema Pera: bye Doug!
Alexandra Sharkfin: bye bye
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: it was a very very popular presentation.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Kallie Kira: I'm so glad it went well :)
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: i am still getting very positive reactions from kira japan members
Kallie Kira: lol, great!
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: one of them said that they wanted to hear more                                    Kiremimi Tigerpaw: so, you did a great promotion for it
Kallie Kira: excellent! that's the game..... send out a little appetizer, have them return for a meal :)

Pema Pera: I'll have to sneak out, back to RL -- bye Yak, Kallie, nice to meet you Alexandra!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
Kallie Kira: yes, have to make some appetizers :)
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: Ya,
Kallie Kira: bye y'all .... see you soon :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: Unfortunatelly I need to go to. It was a pleasure meeting you
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: I am also attending the american sociological association convention
Pema Pera: bye Europe and Texas!
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok bye everyone
Kiremimi Tigerpaw: nice to know, Alexsandra, that yo are in
Kallie Kira: good luck with your project Alex :)
Alexandra Sharkfin: thank you :)
Kallie Kira: bye!