2009.08.10 13:00 - Aloha to that

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.

    Bertram Jacobus: hello scath :-) ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertram
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bert,scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
    Bertram Jacobus: hello yakuzza :-) ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening gaya
    Bertram Jacobus: hello gaya ... :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gaya:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi eliza ... :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya,Scath,Yakuzza,Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi stim ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi hana ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stim, Hana :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim, Hana
    Hana Furlough: hi everyone~
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Stim, Hana and Tarmel :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi tarmel ... :-)
    Stim Morane: hi everyone!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tarmel
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello everyone new
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: hey everyone:)
    Hana Furlough: hi tarmel~
    Gaya Ethaniel: How is everyone?
    Scathach Rhiadra: ok thank you:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Well thanks, Gaya. You?
    Stim Morane: Same here.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not bad, thanks :)
    Tarmel Udimo: great tks and you?
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s fine, it´s ok, ty :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: Scath I thought you had left for your tour already?
    Scathach Rhiadra: that was couple of weeks ago:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pila
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pila :)
    Hana Furlough: hi pila~
    Pila Mulligan: Greetings
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila
    Tarmel Udimo: so are you on the road or back?
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Pila
    Stim Morane: hi pila
    Scathach Rhiadra: back it was only for 4 days:)
    Tarmel Udimo: opps
    Bertram Jacobus: hi pila ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi doug ... :-)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Doug
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Doug
    doug Sosa: (hi).
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey doug
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello doug :)
    Stim Morane: hi doug
    Hana Furlough: hi doug~
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello doug
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Doug
    Tarmel Udimo: the topic you are discussing in WOK sounds very gd -
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I like it :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    doug Sosa: please go ahead.
    Tarmel Udimo: Do you find that you are chained to being the person you have been in the past?
    doug Sosa: we do go through life together. I kind of likehim.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes my and my past selves have many chats and many battles
    Tarmel Udimo: *me
    Pila Mulligan: but in some cases we may benefit by becoming less entangled with past exoeriences
    Bertram Jacobus: (what is WOK, please?) ...
    Pila Mulligan: experiences*
    Tarmel Udimo: Gaya?
    Pila Mulligan: Kira Ways of Knowing Workshop
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes?
    Pila Mulligan: http://ways-of-knowing.wik.is/
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. ty pila :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's on Thursdays 2 pm weekly Bertram.
    Gaya Ethaniel: SLT
    sophia Placebo: greetings
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Sophia [90 sec pause]
    sophia Placebo looking at the peacefull thoughtfull folks around the fountine
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello sophia ... :-)+
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Sophia
    Stim Morane: hi Sophia
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia
    Gaya Ethaniel: What kind of chats and battles are there Tarmel? Any favourites?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ... or epic sagas heheheh
    Tarmel Udimo: those pas selves are reminders of where we have 'grown' from but I would be happy for them to quietly disperse into nothing their original form
    Tarmel Udimo: well you know its pretty constant
    Tarmel Udimo: its more about attitude and staying away from the negative voices
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel listens.
    Tarmel Udimo: I was hoping others would talk too...:)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods nods.
    Pila Mulligan: touchy area, eh
    Tarmel Udimo: not touchy just dealing with it
    Pila Mulligan: my worst old voice is from being in the military, in the 60's
    Pila Mulligan: love to say aloha to that
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Tarmel Udimo: I sometimes do visualisations where I try to peel them away
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks she will greet her 'friends' aloha from now on.
    Tarmel Udimo: those would be very large and loud voices Pila:)
    Pila Mulligan: they weaken over time
    Pila Mulligan: but they are persistent
    doug Sosa: I still hold on to the feeling that i can meet the people in the past and have a redeeming moment.
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t hear nearly any old voices. and when, they spund like children ...
    Pila Mulligan: it sometimes works as such for me to, Doug
    Bertram Jacobus: sound*
    Tarmel Udimo: yes that works for me too doug
    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't quite understand that sentence doug. Could you phrase it in another way please?
    doug Sosa: hm, old lovers. good to meet and talk it through now... but they are gone..
    Bertram Jacobus: hello alexandra ... :-)
    Stim Morane: hi Alexandra
    sophia Placebo: hi alexandra
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Alexandra :)
    doug Sosa: perhaps every morning it would be good to ask "who is around?" and have a conversation with them, till its done.
    Pila Mulligan: kind of PaB
    Tarmel Udimo: yes that sounds lke a good method
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Bertram Jacobus: take a seat if you like alexandra ... :-)
    Hana Furlough: hi alexandra
    doug Sosa: who is around being those whose actual present is no more for us, but they hover as spirits, easily imagined, or easily just appearing.
    Eliza Madrigal: This morning in the mail, came a letter from a friend I've known since preschool... someone who was like a twin to me for many years.. someone I still feel connected to but haven't seen/spoken to in years. She cannot reconcile my not being "Christian" since at one time (more than 16 years ago) we were very involved within that paradigm together, and very 'sincere'. She does not understand. She is chained in some ways, to our past, or the picture she has of me. Her paradigm does not allow for me to change and our still to be close/intimate friends. :( But obviously she misses me or she wouldn't write :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (Sory so long)
    Alexandra Sharkfin: I just dropped by for a second
    Pila Mulligan: so sweet and sor ELiza
    Pila Mulligan: sour*
    Eliza Madrigal: I've spent a few hours today responding to her... asking to speak from heart rather than conditions
    Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps it needs time for adjustment Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: We'll see I suppose :)
    Hana Furlough: that sounds like a tough situation, eliza
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Tough, but she did write :)
    Bertram Jacobus: np alex :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes from the heart always best Eliza:)
    Hana Furlough: yeah that is a wonderful thing!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Just sharing
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you :)
    Alexandra Sharkfin: thanks everone, I'll be around soon
    Tarmel Udimo: even with friends that we are 'in tune' with, its difficult to be seen in a new light
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Bertram Jacobus: or especially with friends ...
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: which is one of the reasons I have been looking at how I communicate lately
    Tarmel Udimo: it is sometimes difficult to be really clear
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I agree
    Tarmel Udimo: but the clearer I am the freer I am
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice!
    Eliza Madrigal needs work..hehe
    Gaya Ethaniel: With people who meet frequently, incremental changes go often unnoticed.
    Tarmel Udimo: it takes tremendous effort:)
    Hana Furlough: yes it does
    Tarmel Udimo: yes Gaya I agree
    Eliza Madrigal: True Gaya
    Pila Mulligan: maybe you and your old friend should have lunch together, Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: i found today something which in german people sometimes call "a place of power" (don´t know wheather such an idiom exosts in english too or wheather that is to be understood) . and it´s a place from former times, too. i was very happy and astonished, to experience that like this
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Pila, we're in diff states now... but yes maybe it would be worth it if our writing goes well :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)Thanks
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Pila Mulligan: a physical, geogrpahic location Bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: hello santosh ... :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: agree with Pila, but also to be prepared to "let her go":)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello santhosh :)
    Stim Morane: hi santhosh
    Bertram Jacobus: yes pila :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: would you like to say more Bertram about 'the place of power'?
    santhosh Brucato: hello
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Santosh
    Hana Furlough: hi santosh~
    Pila Mulligan: sounds like what Hawaiians call a wahi pana
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Santhosh
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Santosh
    Eliza Madrigal: wahi pana?
    santhosh Brucato: hi................
    sophia Placebo: see you later all
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye sophia :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye Sophia
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye sophia
    santhosh Brucato: hi eliza
    Hana Furlough: bye sophia
    Stim Morane: bye sophia
    Tarmel Udimo: bye sophia
    Bertram Jacobus: yes tarmel : it´s a place where we were more then 30 years ago a lot in a park ... and when i today went to that place - it was so easy to meditate there and i got very easy great ideas and such things. even when i left, i felt quite changed ...
    Tarmel Udimo: OK
    Eliza Madrigal: How intereting Bertram :)
    Eliza Madrigal: *interesting
    Pila Mulligan: Eliza, in Hawaiian wahi = place and pana = celebrated -- together meaning a special place
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahh :) Thanks
    Bertram Jacobus: it was very strong and very surprising. i never experienced something like that before. and it comes, as said, also out of the old days ...
    Johny Weissberg: hi all
    Hana Furlough: whatdo you mean by old days?
    Bertram Jacobus: hi johny ... :-)
    Hana Furlough: hi johny
    Eliza Madrigal: So you felt you received power/energy from the place/past, Bertram?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Johny
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Johny
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Johny :)
    Stim Morane: hi johny
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Johny
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know, where it came from, but the spontaneous idea was, that it came from that place. but may be also, my thoughts and mind made that (?) ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and old days ... i don´t know how good that is - it was the time of psychedelics and such stuff. helped, but one shouldn´t be stucked to that i guess ... hm
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Tarmel Udimo: grins
    Hana Furlough: i see
    Bertram Jacobus: ;o)
    Wol Euler: hello all, sorry I'm late
    Pila Mulligan: hello Wol
    Bertram Jacobus: hello wol ... :-)
    Stim Morane: Hi Wol
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol
    Hana Furlough: so can you describe your experience a little more?
    Johny Weissberg: hi wol
    Hana Furlough: hi wol
    Gaya Ethaniel: Mum :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hey Wol
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i can give an example : i read beside other things i did there - a buddhistic book. and at once i found a total new idea what meditation is. i searched for yeras already with this question. and a wonderful answer was : it is - awareness (!) ...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pila Mulligan: so that was where you became aware :)
    Bertram Jacobus: may be lol :-D
    Johny Weissberg: or is maditation a way to achieve awareness ?
    Tarmel Udimo: so you 'experienced' the answer rather than had thoughts about it:)
    Bertram Jacobus: could be said too i guess johny
    Bertram Jacobus: hello shayama ... :-)
    Hana Furlough: hi shy
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Shyama :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello shyama
    Bertram Jacobus: thats right tarmel - it felt like that
    Johny Weissberg: hi shyama¨
    Wol Euler: hello shy
    Stim Morane: Hi Shyama
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Shyama
    Tarmel Udimo: isn't it wonderful when that happens? makes the whole struggle worth it!
    Wol Euler smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: (my smilies have noses!) :o)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Bertram, nice to have high Western noses I'm sure. :)
    Tarmel Udimo: so now you have experienced being aware, the next step is to make it a continum:)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i work on it tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: good luck!:)))))))))))))))))))
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: tyvm. much help at the moment as it seems. also from pab
    Pila Mulligan: and having a special place is valuable
    Bertram Jacobus: yes pila - like a gift (a big one)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: nods agree
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ritual can be so important, so liberating in some ways (like having a special place to meditate, write, etc) but also trapping potentially?
    Pila Mulligan: I'd say ritual *may* have pitfall potential
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose only if one gets 'stuck' there like "I can't meditate today because I can't get to my place"
    Wol Euler nods. Depends whether you see it as an encouragement or a necessity.
    Hana Furlough: or i can't be aware because i didn't meditate in my place today
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Bertram Jacobus: what about thinkin positive ? ;-)
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet one is attempting to be in that state wherever one is:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello mary ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mary (this is the most coming/going PaB session I've ever been to) hah
    Hana Furlough: hi mary`
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mary :)
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Johny Weissberg: hi mary
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mary
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Mary
    Stim Morane: Hi Mary
    Pila Mulligan: hi Mary
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi Mary
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, have to drive my daughter somewhere. Thanks for the company and conversation today, and for letting me share my story :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Eliza :)
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care. drive well
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eliza
    Hana Furlough: bye eliza~
    Tarmel Udimo: good luck Eliza with your friend
    Johny Weissberg: bye eliza
    Shyama Sheryffe: bye Eliza
    Stim Morane: bye Eliza
    Gaya Ethaniel: Shyama, please take a seat behind me and Tarmel [you're sitting on me atm].
    Shyama Sheryffe: i am tryig..lol
    Gaya Ethaniel: np :)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes poor darlings - Shyama has been trying for a while:)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... I saw.
    Shyama Sheryffe: im levitating
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Johny Weissberg: lol
    Pila Mulligan needs to be going -- bye for now, everyone
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Tarmel Udimo: bye Pila
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Pila
    freesky Republic: _/\_
    Shyama Sheryffe: bye Pila
    Stim Morane: Bye Pila
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Pila :)
    Wol Euler: bye pila, take cre
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night all:)
    Johny Weissberg: bye pila
    Stim Morane: I'll have to follow you out ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you everyone. See you again :)
    Stim Morane: Bye everyone!
    Wol Euler: goodngiht stim, enjoy the day
    Tarmel Udimo: bye Stim and Scath and gaya
    Wol Euler: bye scath, gaya
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi freesky again, also in local chat ... ;-)
    Hana Furlough: bye everyone
    Shyama Sheryffe: me too it seems..nite everyone
    Wol Euler grins
    Tarmel Udimo: don't be too hard on yourself Shyama, took me ages to learn to sit:)
    Bertram Jacobus: nite shayama ...
    freesky Republic: hello everyone and goodbye somefolks
    Wol Euler: bye hana, shyama
    Johny Weissberg: bye shyama
    Tarmel Udimo: and bye from me, back to bed:)
    Johny Weissberg: bye hana
    Bertram Jacobus: that was really much come and go, especially in the last minutes ! ... :-)
    freesky Republic: iwas attarcted by the logo 'play as being' which i endorse as an excellent approach
    freesky Republic: so i have come, and seen where here is
    freesky Republic: i shall no doubt return from time to time
    Wol Euler: you missed the session, alas, freesky.
    freesky Republic: nice to have stumbled across you
    Wol Euler: I can give you a notecard, if you like.
    Wol Euler: we meet every six hours
    freesky Republic: ahh no problem, all my life is a session haha
    freesky Republic: ok and thanks
    freesky Republic: farewell for now
    Bertram Jacobus: i look forward to meet you again. would be fine freesky ! :-)
    Johny Weissberg: bye
    Johny Weissberg: so everybody is leaving..i might as well go to bed
    Bertram Jacobus: many people and actions are so quick nowadays ! ...
    Wol Euler smiles
    Johny Weissberg: see u gyus
    Bertram Jacobus: good night johny ...
    Wol Euler: 'night johnny
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, i´m slow ... :-)
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Bertram Jacobus: seems to me that much is like a hurry around me
    Wol Euler: maybe you are at the right speed and the others are too fast?
    Bertram Jacobus: i have no idea. i don´t feel bad with my speed. only sometimes it seems not to fit ;-)
    Wol Euler: well, there are all kinds of ways and reasons not to fit.
    Wol Euler: life isn't a race.
    Bertram Jacobus: ty :-)
    Wol Euler: your platitude for the day :)
    Bertram Jacobus: you came late today wol ... :-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, I was distracted by something very important
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. i like such platitudes ! :-))
    Wol Euler: a matter of great urgency and significance
    Wol Euler: which I had to attend to at once, and in depth.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: I was buying sexy boots.
    Bertram Jacobus: would you like to tell what it was or not ? :-9
    Bertram Jacobus: uh
    Bertram Jacobus: i see ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: greaat :-)
    Wol Euler: are these brilliant boots?
    Bertram Jacobus: these ones ? :-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Wol Euler: I call these "you can't afford me" boots :)
    Bertram Jacobus: lool :-)
    Wol Euler: Ive been looking for a pair like this for months now.
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m impressed ! :-)
    Wol Euler: they're scripted too!
    Wol Euler: fitting and colours and bits all changeable
    Bertram Jacobus: what does that mean - scripted ? they have features ?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
    Wol Euler: like hte tops are now up
    Wol Euler: and I can change the colours of heels, sole, sripes, zipper ...
    Wol Euler: the metal trim...
    Bertram Jacobus: speechless ...
    Wol Euler: yeah :)
    Wol Euler: so you see, I had to be there.
    Bertram Jacobus: my sl life is not so ... searching for words
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: "shallow"?
    Bertram Jacobus: equipped ! :-)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: well, we can fix that. I'd be happy to take you shopping some day
    Bertram Jacobus: should that make me afraid a bit ? ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: oh, I wouldnT force you into a rubber suit or anything.
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. okay ... but as i said : i´m quite a bit - slow (!) ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: no need to do prostrations, shawn, we're non-denominational here
    Wol Euler chuckles
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)

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