2009.08.11 07:00 - Watching Thought filters

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  The wondering aloud is also mine.  The idiotic statements are also mine. The thoughts are everybodies (your's too while you read and digest).

    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, PaB Listener.
    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Element and Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Riddle and Vajra!
    Vajra Radikal: hi there riddle
    Vajra Radikal: pema
    Pema joins Vajra and I, but I note that the AV bows at the edge of the mat.
    Riddle Sideways: Pema, there was no need to bow on entrance :)
    Riddle Sideways: you are in Cal now
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: I do respect the Sunny State!
    Riddle Sideways: :) so do I
    Vajra Radikal: hehe no longer in japan mate?
    Pema Pera: in San Francisco today
    Riddle Sideways: you should have fog today
    Pema Pera: yep
    Vajra Radikal: go out 4 a chinese dinner 2nite
    Vajra Radikal: i always enjoy chinese when at san fran
    Pema Pera: yes, many Chinese restaurants here all right! I didn't 8 there you though :)
    Riddle Sideways: I was reading through emails and blogs abouts thoughts

    Riddle Sideways: oops, Vajra poofed
    Pema Pera: he turned into a thought perhaps :)
    Riddle Sideways: that happens

    Pema Pera: what were your thoughts about those emails and blogs?
    Riddle Sideways: thoughts on thoughts are often my problem
    Riddle Sideways: not enough time on any one, just watching all of them
    Riddle Sideways: was my mentors big teaching for me
    Riddle Sideways: to skip past all the analysis and watching to be here now
    Pema Pera: !!!!
    Riddle Sideways: but it didn't really take
    Pema Pera: ????
    Riddle Sideways: I just watch thoughts all the time
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, would be long explanation
    Pema Pera: can you give us the executive version, Riddle :-) ?
    Pema Pera: Hi Qt!
    Riddle Sideways: goodd morning, QT
    Qt Core: hi all
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, in aikido I would be thinking about the thoughts and meta thoughts rather then the just acting
    Riddle Sideways: judging and/or watching the flow rather then flowing
    Riddle Sideways: best times are sitting on the bank watching the river flow
    Riddle Sideways: but need to get in and float sometimes
    Pema Pera: yes, it's a balance
    Riddle Sideways: <bell>
    Riddle Sideways: switching from input overloads to thought overloads
    Riddle Sideways: to just watching the thought barriage going by
    Pema Pera: when you just sit, for a few minutes or longer, and just watch your thoughts come and go, what happens?
    Qt Core: the explosions of level and meta level of "minds" watching the underlying level
    Riddle Sideways: sometimes the watching makes them faster and sometimes they slow down
    Pema Pera: yes
    Riddle Sideways: can go either
    Pema Pera: do you sometimes find that there are gaps between thoughts?
    Riddle Sideways: many times and sometimes overlapping
    Riddle Sideways: yes, years spent being into those gaps
    Riddle Sideways: most times nowI watch the overlapping
    Riddle Sideways: the metas watching the actives and the waiting to enters
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: a crowded train station!
    Riddle Sideways: thoughts (about lunch) finding a parking spot for later
    Riddle Sideways: a subway car filling with messages to deliver during todays speech
    Qt Core: sometimes i got lost for minutes on metas (especially here) and
    Pema Pera: alas, breakfast call, here at the conference I'm attending in San Francisco . . . I look forward to continue this conversation, Riddle, next time we get a chance!
    Pema Pera: bye for now
    Riddle Sideways: ok, bye Pema
    Qt Core: bye, have fun
    Pema Pera: bye Qt!
    Riddle Sideways: there are metas and tidbits and partially formed thoughts going by
    Riddle Sideways: do you find the gaps between ?
    Qt Core: as iv void between thoughts where the metas just wonder about its existence
    Qt Core: as in
    Riddle Sideways: yes, those are good ones
    Qt Core: usually when i have those i "awoke" at the bell of the next silence period , when they happen when i'm here ;-)
    Qt Core: not that i have so long voids/gaps but that sims to trigger some kind of "disengaging" from the external world/sense
    Riddle Sideways: yes, all those inputs from RL sensors get disengaged or slow down
    Riddle Sideways: and the thoughts about those get caught up
    Qt Core: even if they are present and aknoledged they just don't matter
    Riddle Sideways: so the metas are processed
    Riddle Sideways: <bell>
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello Riddle and Qt...nice to see you both again :)
    Nymf Hathaway: oops
    Riddle Sideways: hi, Nymf
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Qt Core: hi nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: sorry to have interupt :(
    Riddle Sideways: NP
    Qt Core: like in the previous session the synchronicity of the bell and the nearby churc ones is amazing
    Nymf Hathaway: :)
    Qt Core: don't know why i haven't noticed it before
    Riddle Sideways: and that owl whooting
    Qt Core: (a rl church i mean)
    Riddle Sideways: o
    Riddle Sideways: rather like what we were chatting
    Riddle Sideways: outside stimulas
    Riddle Sideways: if we ignore or it stops
    Riddle Sideways: we are left processing our thought streams
    Riddle Sideways: at some point we watch ourselves watching those thoughts
    Riddle Sideways: we watch meta thougths about those thoughts
    Qt Core: i usually ignore the church bell, as i'm hearing that since 1979 ;-) but this morning i almost juped on my seat
    Riddle Sideways: yes, funny how that happens
    Riddle Sideways: at some point we wwatch meta thoughts about the thoughts
    Riddle Sideways: and get the sence that there is a meta behind the many meta thoughts
    Qt Core: and then there are the metas in the dark, the ones that filter and allow/forbid us to think/say/do something
    Riddle Sideways: the filters that work unseen
    Riddle Sideways: funny how we can not look directly at those
    Qt Core: somethimes i feel as when i speak in english the filter isn't working very well as if the "energy" it use is absorbed by the translating process
    Qt Core: sadly as i get better at it i feel it coming back
    Riddle Sideways: very interesting watching
    Riddle Sideways: when learning to ride a bike or rollerblade
    Nymf Hathaway: sorry distracted in rl :(
    Riddle Sideways: yeah, me too
    Riddle Sideways: you start out translating each word and parsing the parser
    Riddle Sideways: too soon it becomes automagical
    Nymf Hathaway: (this isn't fair towards you both, I will log off, sorry)
    Qt Core: sometimes i even use words i don know the meaning! (well that i thiught i didn't knew)
    Riddle Sideways: no, Nymf
    Riddle Sideways: which or both?
    Riddle Sideways: I am an english speaker firstmost and use words I prolly on't know the meaning
    Qt Core: when the conversation really flows or heat up and the metas can't keep up with the tought flow speed
    Riddle Sideways: <bell>
    Riddle Sideways: we zoom right along and several words come out that we di not really plan
    Riddle Sideways: many times it is the word/phrase that the listener knows/needs
    Riddle Sideways: and a meta wonders how/why did you do that
    Qt Core: yes, mostly is the right word, but when i see it written in the screen i don't recognize it immediatly
    Riddle Sideways: unfornunatily for me, most times it looks stupid and off the mark :)
    Riddle Sideways: why do I say such things
    Riddle Sideways: why do I why about such
    Qt Core: :-) it may be a first language thing, i do that in my own language :-)
    Riddle Sideways thinks it is not a language thing
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, very sorry but I need to go
    Riddle Sideways: phone just started my day
    Qt Core: np, have a nice day
    Riddle Sideways: please come chat together again
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
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