2009.08.18 07:00 - Private Woodstock Nation

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Who will come back to edit this more heavily (gotz to get a new/working keyboard), but at least it is posted for now

I am very sorry to announce this, but...

I just spent 1.5 hours editing, commenting and pouring myheart and soul into this article.
I told you more and more about Riddle and what has been seen and done.
You had no right, priviledge nor respect to read what I put down.

The great wiki software that rules and judges saw what I wrote upon it and Smote it away.
You shall not read my tears, fears, joyfullness, joylessness nor tales ofgreat Woodstock.
Ya should be very thank full.

Riddle will not repeat what was writen and lost.

doug Sosa: :)
Paul Namiboo: gOOD MORNING DOUG
doug Sosa: well hi paul.
Riddle Sideways: Good mORNing, Doug and PaLL
Riddle Sideways: u
Paul Namiboo: JUST THOUGHT i'D GET IN A FEW MINUTES OF PRACTICE BEFORE TURNING TO HIDEOUS WORK
doug Sosa: maybe they balance each other.
Paul Namiboo: GOOD MORNING RIDDLE -- i'm a beginner
Qt Core: hi all
Riddle Sideways: good morning qt
doug Sosa: :)
Paul Namiboo: :)
Riddle Sideways: Hideous work?
--BELL--

Paul Namiboo: Got to revise a messed up manuscript
Riddle Sideways: ah, re-writes of re-writes
doug Sosa: revising can be like sculting, espwith a computer. can be quite enjoyable.
doug Sosa: sculpting*
Paul Namiboo: worse yetr, with a co-author
Paul Namiboo: que es "sculpting"
doug Sosa: as in molding the text, sjaping it.
doug Sosa: shaping..
Riddle Sideways: slaping :)
doug Sosa: co- authors fortunatly often forget to do anything, hece leaving it to us.
Paul Namiboo: I'm only getting two lines in the dialog box!
doug Sosa: click on local chat, that shoul open t. then you may need to drag the lower left corner.
Paul Namiboo: got it!
Riddle Sideways: what is the manuscript on? If I may ask
Paul Namiboo: It's on how a long history of existing in small family groups shapes much of what is wrong with the world today.
Riddle Sideways: ah, I thought that same thing when I was yound
doug Sosa: what if we avoid "wrong" and look at it as an interesting but difficult evolution, rather naturral..
Riddle Sideways: now I think it was a good way to bgin
Riddle Sideways: begin living
Paul Namiboo: You can see it in our language about pseudokin -- Uncle Sam, band of brothers, sisterhoods, fraternities, 6 million people going to Lady Diana's funeral (a family function).
doug Sosa: I think this is the first session I've been to with no female avatars.
Riddle Sideways: true, doug
Paul Namiboo: Too much patriarchy for my taste -- look at the three big "ethical" monotheisms -- men commanding women on the basis of an imagined male supernatural monster!
Qt Core: well, maybe they are going to be fashionably late ;-)\
Riddle Sideways: is family of man, one of those bad phrases
Paul Namiboo: I think so
doug Sosa: My favorite line bearing onthat is from Robert Bly: "ignorance of the soul i s the dark side of monotheism."
Paul Namiboo: but in fact that is what we really need -- we have nation states as "imagined communities" -- we need the world as an imagined community
Riddle Sideways: monotheism (as oneness) starts out ok, but then becomes that the one has to be male somehow
doug Sosa: Don't we want differentiation al the way from top to bottom? Then their are roles for leadership and places of quiet at every level. If it was just one community the only game in town would be who owns it.
Riddle Sideways: personally, I have just spent the weekend being reminisant / nostalgic about the Woodstock nation
Riddle Sideways: we were stardust, we were golden
doug Sosa: Mapping out how we got here is interesting. Yesterday's map was from wind (mostly dutch) coal (mostly england) oil mostly US, and now fiance, the ultimate energy with no content.
Paul Namiboo: not just one community, but layered "families" all the way from an adult + child to everyone -- we now stop at nation states, and many of our problems can't be solved at that level (e.g., climate disruption)
doug Sosa: In Bali each person belongs to a series of "families that get larger and larger along the ridges allthe way to the sea. The largest unit managesthe flow of water from the mountains through the paddies to the sea.

You should stop right here and think though all the stuff above.
Below this line is where Riddle wrote lots of personal 60's stuff.
[thank you wiki for losing it].

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Paul Namiboo: were you at Woodstock??
Riddle Sideways: yes
Paul Namiboo: I envy you
doug Sosa: Wow. Real.
Riddle Sideways: I carry a seed of having 3days of peace and family in me
Paul Namiboo: We had great hopes then
--BELL--
doug Sosa: But we were so naive. We didn't see what was happening to large numbers.
Riddle Sideways: <bell>
Riddle Sideways: I watched a documary that both covered the large numbers and the individual members of woodstock
Riddle Sideways: call it naive or idealiztic or visionary
Paul Namiboo: There are almost twice as many people now as The manuscript calls. Maybe we can meet again -- I've enjoyed yoru comments. So long, and thanks.
Riddle Sideways: there was a point in that documary where the talked about
Riddle Sideways: bye Paul
doug Sosa: yes, all those, but there was a kind of inevitability to species success.
doug Sosa: paul is off to the manuscript.
doug Sosa: I have thought that Woodstaock was so chaotic, and I am a bit shy.
Riddle Sideways: there was a reporter who phone in his NY times article on woodstock
doug Sosa: and..
Riddle Sideways: was told to rewrite so that it had disaster, choas, mudd, etc.
Riddle Sideways: he would not
Riddle Sideways: the corporite news media reported NY thruway closed
doug Sosa: Editors!
Riddle Sideways: there was a bank of telephones on site that were in constant use
Riddle Sideways: kids calling parents to say what was really happening
Riddle Sideways: like Tiananmen square reporting
doug Sosa: I was at berkeley in free speech times, the reporting was terrible - and the story was rather simple.
Riddle Sideways: parents told news agencies that they had it wrong
doug Sosa: great parents!
Riddle Sideways: I was at cornell when the media came and reported the wrong thing
doug Sosa: i wonder how the BBC covered it?
Riddle Sideways: do you think the reporting is any better?
doug Sosa: hi jan
Riddle Sideways: Hi Janeras
Riddle Sideways: Jan, are you brand new here?
doug Sosa: she was just born, today. Welcome!
doug Sosa: just like woodstock?
Riddle Sideways: I could not find my info card in this mess of an inventory
doug Sosa: Newbies are so cute, trying to get the leverage to do simple things. Reminds me of suzuki's Beginners Mind
Riddle Sideways: then we 'grow up' all experienced and one day in our afulthood we forget how to give an info card to somebody
doug Sosa: oh if i only could ffind mine about RL, i need to read it again!
Riddle Sideways: just click the help button :)
doug Sosa: i did but she socked me.
Riddle Sideways: sorry, we are the AVs of some Being
Riddle Sideways: AVs can not click on things themselves
--BELL--
doug Sosa: who will now gong the bell, and I will need to leave. Nice having this time with you.
Riddle Sideways: <bell>
Riddle Sideways: bye Doug
Riddle Sideways: QT, I was sondering about your tag
Qt Core: yes ?
Riddle Sideways: what is IYA 2009?
Qt Core: International Year of Astronomy
Qt Core: if you check my picks you'll find the SL location for it
Riddle Sideways: ooo thanks
Riddle Sideways: ah to be in 2 places at once in SL
Riddle Sideways: want to be here now :) and visiting other places:)
Qt Core: well, with a modern pc and one big or multiple monitors you can do it
Qt Core: (never tried it)
Riddle Sideways: never tried it either, doding it in RL is bad enough
Riddle Sideways: there is a point somewhere that I can not even discribe to myself... how can I bring it up for chat
Riddle Sideways: like seeing something out of the corner of ones eye
Riddle Sideways: you can notfocus on it, but it is there
Qt Core: try just some words, without grammar or verbs, just ideas
Riddle Sideways: I do not know enough astromony to think how fuzzy, out-of -focus images can give true pictures
Riddle Sideways: In musical terms, I can name the tune on one note
Qt Core: that is mostly a tech problem, not astronomy itself
Riddle Sideways: but can not see a universe from a group ofstars
Qt Core: the fuzzyness and out of focus is an observer issue, not an issue of the observed thing
Riddle Sideways: how can you/we make predictions, facts, rulings on out of focus observations?
Riddle Sideways: the ruling class passes laws on fuzzy observations
Riddle Sideways: the news media reports supposedly factual reports on loose info?
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: <bell>
Riddle Sideways: sorry to be in downer mood, but a guy in a NY building writes of an observed Woodstock
Riddle Sideways: an editor tears out some paragraphs that would not sell newspapers
Qt Core: in the best case the ruling class is made up by the less fuzzy seeing people... but they are still voted by the more fuzzy seeing "commoners" :-)
Riddle Sideways: we read it as factual
Qt Core: do we ?
Riddle Sideways: hope not
Riddle Sideways: and your right, the 'can't be bothered" deligate to the few that want power over us
Qt Core: or does not even do that (and than argue about bad politician
Qt Core: s)
Riddle Sideways: oh dear, you got ME there
Riddle Sideways: I do nothing, but complain, protest and argue
Riddle Sideways: too busy singing protest songs to help everybody write new songs
Qt Core: i have nothing about protest, i'm just against people that does not vote and than complain about what politician does
Riddle Sideways: well, 2 things on that.
Riddle Sideways: years ago there really seemed nothing nationally to vote for. And so to be counted amoung the obstainers was important
Riddle Sideways: lately, I not only vote, but campaign and help everywhere I can
Riddle Sideways: even send son to Ohio to help
Qt Core: thjere are some cases where not voting means something, for examples on polls, here in italy they are not valid, regarding the results if less than 50% plus one of the people having vote-rights vote
Qt Core: i'm against this rule, but until changed not going to vote is like voting two nos
Riddle Sideways: in US there have been major elections with only 40% of populise voting
Riddle Sideways: minor elctions won/lost by far less
Qt Core: and we cry as we are around 70% in general elections
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: <bell>
Riddle Sideways: sorry, did notmean to go political. Meant to chat of music and stars in the heavens
Qt Core: np ;-)
Riddle Sideways: however, RL is calling (very insistantly)
Qt Core: bye then have a nice day
Riddle Sideways: see you soon and thanks
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