2009.08.22 19:00 - Avatars, aging and population

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pila Mulligan. The comments are by Pila Mulligan. I arrived a little late to find Doug and Paul conversing (as I later saw in the log, about changing a Second Life avatar's appearance.)

        Paul Namiboo: Hi doug
        doug Sosa: hi, very quiet. the retreat? Very unusual.
        Paul Namiboo: I'm even having trouble steering my avatar, and tried to make my hair grey and failed!
        doug Sosa: to change hair, did you go to "edit" and chose "apperance"?
        Paul Namiboo: There was no one here at 1 either
        doug Sosa: fickle group.
        Paul Namiboo: Yes -- got full screen but moving sliders made no difference on screen
        Paul Namiboo: I'll try now
        doug Sosa: you have to choose "save".
        Paul Namiboo: Any clues
        doug Sosa: no. just experiment. No idea.
        Paul Namiboo: I did -- how then do I get change onto Avatar -- I thought drag?
        doug Sosa: You look good, nothing to worry about. just missing the fun.
        Paul Namiboo: Oh well, no responses to me on my offer to meet others tomorrow
        doug Sosa: i think i am a man dressed as a woman cross dressing.
        doug Sosa: Did you read the webpage for PaB?
        Paul Namiboo: I lost it
        doug Sosa: try playasbeing.wik.is
        Paul Namiboo: I'm trying to do too many things at once -- two book ms and many papers etc., as well as run my list
        Paul Namiboo: got to leave SL to get it?
        doug Sosa: I wish there were a good book on how productive people work. I am sure many are a mess, but some are quite amazing.
        doug Sosa: no, just open a browser window.
        doug Sosa: find it?
        doug Sosa: note it is wik not wiki
        Paul Namiboo: got it, I'll read later
        doug Sosa: good. the idea here is to see what the world is like if we try to drop assumptions about it. For example, for me the solidity of objects turns out to be a construction. if i drop it there is more movement.
        Paul Namiboo: How do I open browser windoow in here?
        doug Sosa: ah, you need a second window on your laptop. Not an SL window.
        doug Sosa: but if i type a URL here you can open it from within. For example
        doug Sosa: http://nyt.com
        doug Sosa: or http://playasbeing.wik.is
        Paul Namiboo: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
        doug Sosa: hehe
        Paul Namiboo: Got it
        doug Sosa: here comes pila not yet clothed. Hi pila.
        Paul Namiboo: Hi Pila
        Pila Mulligan: hi Doug and Paul
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        doug Sosa: Pila is a great observer. quiet, but then..
        Pila Mulligan: senile
        Paul Namiboo: I'm still trying to learn SL
        Pila Mulligan: how do you like it so far?
        Paul Namiboo: very much, and we have something in common if you're senile -- I find I can't even dress myself here
        Pila Mulligan: :)

    We next recognize this session as a convening of the SL Relic Society

        Pila Mulligan: I'm only 63 years old, so it may be too early to claim the excuse, but my mind is relaxing for sure
        Pila Mulligan: lazy even
        Paul Namiboo: Hah, I'm 77
        Pila Mulligan: well, there you go :)
        Pila Mulligan: you can claim the prize :)
        Paul Namiboo: some prize!
        doug Sosa: as i tell my friends, i've few clues that I am not 25, and several that I am.
        Pila Mulligan: that's the second oldest age I've seen in Second Life, Paul
        Paul Namiboo: My mind is still childish, and I intend to keep it that way
        Pila Mulligan: yes, Paul, another freind recently celebrated his (second) 45th birthday
        Paul Namiboo: that's great!
        doug Sosa: He lives in parallel?
        Pila Mulligan: I think he reset
        Paul Namiboo: I'm told that time on SL is subtracted from FL time

    Pila has a question about population issues (having recently received an anti-Islamic email rant/video based on population growth rates)

        Pila Mulligan: I have a question
        Paul Namiboo: ask away
        Pila Mulligan: why is it that after 40 years of dealing with population caused problems people are now using population decline as a worrying point
        Paul Namiboo: It's a particualrly silly worry because the declines are in rich countries that put the most pressure on our life-support systems. That's exactly where we need declines
        Pila Mulligan: yes, I agree, but now people in those places are saying the cure is a problem
        doug Sosa: My thought is that in troubled economic times people are anxious and look for who to align with and look first at people like themselves in the social game of musical chairs. if thee are less of us, we will be swamped.
        Pila Mulligan: yes, the worry point appears reqularly in anti-Islamic rants
        Paul Namiboo: Yes, they are worried about the inevitable (mathematically certain) "aging" of the population that occurs when growth ends. But to keep birth rates up simply makes it a population Ponzi scheme unless you believe the pop can become infinite -- sooner or later aging (just as might happen to me some day)
        Pila Mulligan: the cure took a lot of effort
        doug Sosa: So we need to help lower the anxiety, which is the key ingredient of feeling one needs to align.
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        doug Sosa: I saw a movie once, a dram, about the Meji, and in a time of revolution the fear of picking the wrong warlord to align with.

    Paul nudges the conversation back to real life

        Paul Namiboo: Do you two know each other in FL?
        Pila Mulligan: Doug and I have not met
        Pila Mulligan: I am in Hawaii`, by the way
        doug Sosa: that I know of :) because out there, you could be anybody.
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: just a dirty old man
        Paul Namiboo: Great place -- especially in old days -- used to write at Honokowai (sp) just N of Kaanapali
        Pila Mulligan: yep
        Pila Mulligan: back when it was real
        Pila Mulligan: now it is part of Disneyland
        Paul Namiboo: Which island do you live on?
        Pila Mulligan: Maui from 1985-2005, Hawai`i since then (Puna)
        Pila Mulligan: aka the Big Island
        doug Sosa: Do you know Jim Channon in Hawi?
        Pila Mulligan: I don't think so
        Paul Namiboo: Many of my colleagues still work out there on the Natural Capital Porject -- collaborating with State legislature some and the K School.
        Pila Mulligan: cool
        doug Sosa: He built most of the stores there and has a very intersting sustainable farm.
        Pila Mulligan: sustainability is a big issue on islands

    Then the brief but pleasant session ends

        Paul Namiboo: My first wife (of 55 years) says we should eat here in Calif -- so I've got to go. Hope we'll meet again
        doug Sosa: Me too. project calls.
        Paul Namiboo: Many thanks -- enjoy Hawaii until we meet here again. Bye.
        Pila Mulligan: nice to visit with you both, see you next time
        doug Sosa: enjoying been with you. Special treat.
        doug Sosa: bye for now.
        Pila Mulligan: it is always fun Doug, thanks
        Pila Mulligan: aloha
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    Originally written on 11:50, 26 Aug 2009
    None of it sounds senile! Btw, I didn't know Pila is a dirty old man. Now that is creepy ... :P
    Posted 10:42, 9 Apr 2010
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