2009.08.30 01:00 - Let them talk

Moon Fargis: hi susi hi bertram
Bertram Jacobus: hello moon and susi
Susi Alcott: Hello Bert and Moon _/!\_
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: funny avatar moon ! :-)
Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: hm
Bertram Jacobus: you have problems with rezzing and sitting moon ? or like to sit at an other place this time ? on susis lap ? :o)
Susi Alcott: smiles _/!\_
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: seepted just a few hours.. and dont even have tea yet :)
Susi Alcott: so that's the first thing now _/!\_
Susi Alcott: didn's see you online so I thought I might need to back up you
Moon Fargis: hmhm i am fine.....
Moon Fargis: zzZzzZZZzZZzZZ
Susi Alcott: lol
Bertram Jacobus: hello pila ! ... :-)
Moon Fargis: hi pila!
Pila Mulligan: hi Moon, Susi and Bert
Susi Alcott: oh Hello Pila _/!\_
Susi Alcott: long time no see
Pila Mulligan: yes, this is alate session for me :)
Pila Mulligan: usually not here
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pila Mulligan: Moon is snoring
Susi Alcott: hoping all to be well with you
Bertram Jacobus: here, it´s an early session ... ;-)
Susi Alcott: ah yes
Pila Mulligan: all is well, thanks Susi .. and with you I hope, too
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pila Mulligan: Bert and I were just exploring the OSG -- open grid
Pila Mulligan: the new open source alternativ eSL
Moon Fargis: ahh found something intresting ?
Pila Mulligan: quite interesting
Pila Mulligan: it is still rough
Pila Mulligan: but it is probaly the future for virtual worlds
Bertram Jacobus: bert ?
Bertram Jacobus: bertrum ? the other bert ?
Pila Mulligan: oops
Pila Mulligan: sorry bert
Pila Mulligan: Bert Quon
Bertram Jacobus: no problem ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Pila Mulligan: embarassing error on my part :)
Bertram Jacobus: no no
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello bertrum :-)
Pila Mulligan: speaking of ...
Pila Mulligan: hi Bert
Bertram Jacobus: yes
Moon Fargis: heheh
Moon Fargis: hi bert2
Susi Alcott: Hello Bertrum
Pila Mulligan: hi Berts
Bertram Jacobus: bertrum with a nice hat beside him (!) ... :-)
Bertrum Quan: hi everyone
Pila Mulligan: Moon, di doyu have fun in the US?
Moon Fargis: yes it was nice.. an hoooot
Pila Mulligan: Ade was giving me a running account for the first days
Moon Fargis: heheh
Pila Mulligan: it sounded lik efun
Moon Fargis: yes i still wonder i didnt got any cold there
Pila Mulligan: air planes are usually cold and flyu swamps
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: came from 90 F into 68 F when we visited a building cus everything has air conditioning there
Pila Mulligan: yes
Moon Fargis: and ofcourse backwards the same
Pila Mulligan: did you visit Duke University?
Moon Fargis: yes we walked around the campus, my friend and i
Pila Mulligan: it is anic eplace
Moon Fargis: yes well done for sure
Moon Fargis: ahh tea is soon ready^^
Pila Mulligan: The Rhine Research Center Institute for Parapsychology is theres
Bertram Jacobus: nice moon ... ;-)
Susi Alcott: yes good; soon Moon shall wake up
Bertram Jacobus: i was already at a police station this morning - very unusual for me ...
Susi Alcott: listening
Bertram Jacobus: on my letterbox was put a swastika and now the landlord accuses me, i had done that :-(
Susi Alcott: :(
Pila Mulligan: ouch
Moon Fargis: ah..germany...
Bertram Jacobus: there are BIG troubles with a neighbour ! ... very sad ...
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: i looks like they want me to throw me out of the flat ...
Bertram Jacobus: - me
Pila Mulligan: those are tough situations Bert, can you make peace?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. inside
Pila Mulligan: :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertrum Quan: Is there much non-Nazi activity in Germany?
Pila Mulligan: neo?
Bertram Jacobus: non-nazi activity ? what does that mean please ?
Bertrum Quan: Yes, sorry, typo--neo.
Moon Fargis: linke
Bertram Jacobus: ah . neo . it depends . relatively
Moon Fargis: yes there is
Moon Fargis: so called antifa
Moon Fargis: but tose are extremes too
Bertrum Quan: What is the reason?
Bertram Jacobus: for what please ?
Bertrum Quan: For the rise of neo-Nazi activites.
Moon Fargis: people just search a way to let ther anger and hate out and there is still the rule of balance
Moon Fargis: so the extremes on both sides are more or less same powered
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know, whether it raises. i only know, in the whole worrld there are people who do such things. and in germany naturally the awareness about this is very high. so society mostly very fast tries to stop all that. my impression. okay : in the new territories from former ddr there are some more serious problems of that kind i must fear for sake
Moon Fargis: well germany still suffers from the ww2 even its now ages ago
Pila Mulligan: the US has always had the same fringe of hateful people, mostly aimed at racial prejudice -- theya re in agony with Obama being President
Moon Fargis: you cant hang out a national flag , the actual one, without being feard you are a nazi
Bertram Jacobus: yes : germany is very hard hit by it´s past ...
Moon Fargis: and aslong no german is proud to be a german.. well then the moral is at its deepest point
Susi Alcott: that is not so long ago when such persons called 'skinheads' effected in Finland; they are 'nowadays' nazies
Bertram Jacobus: i would say the feeling of the germans is deeply troubled by that
Susi Alcott: once I was the bodyguard in the event there was such persons; they had thought to make a mess around
Susi Alcott: not so many years ago; few
Susi Alcott: I took myself to be quite near them
Susi Alcott: just standing there like doing nothing; like nothing was 'going on'
Susi Alcott: I felt there fear and looked at them just the way I looked around; like they was not exeptional
Susi Alcott: but what I felt for them and what I thought; peacfull thoughts how the war is not the answer to there pain
Moon Fargis nods
Susi Alcott: and asked them in my mind to look around how they in fact dont want to make more mess cuz it would only give growth to there problems
Susi Alcott: I felt and saw them to relax and give up of much negativities
Susi Alcott: ...they left looking as the persons who's started to think
Bertram Jacobus: nice way to handle it susi
Susi Alcott: that's one of them starmoment of my bodyguard times
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: bing
Pila Mulligan: what happened at the police station this morning, Bertram?
Bertram Jacobus: tehy were very kind and said, it would be heavy to accuse me in that way
Bertram Jacobus: and i made a notice there because of the svastika only
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: i have to think about, whether i also have to make a notice because of the bad accuses which are made against me
Bertram Jacobus: but i try to talk to the poeple first
Pila Mulligan: they could yoy were not making trouble
Pila Mulligan: the police
Pila Mulligan: tll*
Pila Mulligan: they could tell*
Bertram Jacobus: some tries already failed. the main person doens´t want to talk with me about all that :-(
Moon Fargis: the wonderfull egoist world of humans
Pila Mulligan: can you talk with the landlord?
Susi Alcott: you anyway have the best possible 'tool' ; your own peace
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: true Susi
Bertram Jacobus: i try to. but he seems to be pushed by that "main person" - my direct neighbour ... and accused me . the police made a copy of the landlord´s letter ...
Pila Mulligan: hmm
Pila Mulligan: yes, territory and ego maybe
Bertram Jacobus: it´s a strange time for me : everwhere it looks like war against me. i never experienced such before. and i have really no idea why that is. it´s a reay mystery
Bertram Jacobus: okay. not everywhere : here for example
Susi Alcott: btw Bertram; do you understand that this neighbour uses you 'as the valvet', no matter he/she dont understand that in his/her mind
Pila Mulligan: maybe something is waiting for you and this is the path to it
Bertram Jacobus: but both : very nice things and very bad ones. many. extremly extreme (!) ... not easy
Pila Mulligan: there's always a amiddle between the extremes, even if hard to find
Bertram Jacobus: valvet ? what is that please ?
Susi Alcott: the item in the machine which gives the too much pressure out
Bertram Jacobus: i "know" pila - but if the surroundings present you many many extremes (?) ... not easy
Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see. ty susi
Pila Mulligan: yes, that i swhy I suspect someting may be waiting for you, Bert
Bertram Jacobus: yes pila. what could it be ?
Pila Mulligan: god only knows :)
Pila Mulligan: wait and see :)
Bertram Jacobus: i try to. very heavy
Pila Mulligan: times like that can be trying
Pila Mulligan: but keep your balance and your faith -- it will wookr out
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pila Mulligan: don;t let them get you down
Bertram Jacobus: ty all for your words ... and that between the words ...
Moon Fargis: ah bertram.. you remember the song from "die ärzte" "lasse reden"
Moon Fargis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpO5P9mG80c
Moon Fargis: this one
Bertram Jacobus: don´t know that but can imagine a bit moon - and hear it at youtube later on. but it´s a bit more challanging i think, because it looks like i have to act at least a bit here and there in relation to all that
Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
Moon Fargis: well even this one is with english subtitles but made by a usual youtube guy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPhV_VDzvI
Moon Fargis: it describes the first phase of what you experience
Moon Fargis: well you might be evne in the second phase now.. where people stopped talking
Bertram Jacobus: uh ? that makes me curious (!) ;o)
Susi Alcott: well; as that is his/her pain which makes him/her to use you
Susi Alcott: but cuz You've kept your peace; there's the 'silent' period going on in the 'war'
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: the war between the truth and the lie
Pila Mulligan: 'Let the people talk and simply smile gently'
Susi Alcott: hm
Pila Mulligan: says alyric in the song
Bertram Jacobus: [90 secs]
Pila Mulligan: oops
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Susi Alcott: (volounteered)
Bertram Jacobus: but even if (!) the mind wouldn´t be touched - the body reacts and gets hurt by such things
Susi Alcott: so; normally that silence is the option for the angry part to start to realize what he/she truly is doing and why
Susi Alcott: rl phone
Moon Fargis: hmm bertram, its motls that the mind affects the body
Moon Fargis: so if you have inner piece about this, wich is really hard to have, your body shouldnt affected
Bertram Jacobus: i mean something different moon : the physis
Bertram Jacobus: the mecanical aspect so to say
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: you may need to act sometimes
Bertram Jacobus: that´s it pila. it seems to be like that. but i´m not sure
Pila Mulligan: the visit with the police, for example
Bertram Jacobus: but one is to be said very clearly : it´s a challenge
Pila Mulligan: so be very careful :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i naturally try to make the best out of all that
Bertram Jacobus: "i do my very best" ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: by the way : i´m convinced : we all do that
Bertram Jacobus: also my neighbour for example
Pila Mulligan: if so, then some people's best is nt very good :)
Bertram Jacobus: i agree
Pila Mulligan: but I can agree with the idea
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: so you don´t fear the valuations "good" and - lemme say "not good" pila ? :-)
Pila Mulligan: -not at all
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful !
Bertram Jacobus: so many do or deny them !
Pila Mulligan: well, there are mental extremes on the idea
Pila Mulligan: but in fact we all make judgments
Bertram Jacobus: which ones please ?
Pila Mulligan: one extreme would wipe all valuations away form the mind
Pila Mulligan: one extreme, like nazis, has everything already evaluated rigidly
Susi Alcott: b
Pila Mulligan: both are extremes
Bertram Jacobus: yes. and i always like to say judgements are not bad, but condemnations are
Pila Mulligan: yep
Pila Mulligan: how else can ethics work, except by being aware of values
Bertram Jacobus: ty pila. i´m happy to hear that from another in spirituality interested person
Pila Mulligan: thank you
Bertram Jacobus: i think, very often the "absolute" and the relative stage are mixed in relation to that topic (values)
Pila Mulligan: one ideal may be to have no ideals, but that is hyopthetical
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t think, that that is a single ideal, because to deny the relative realities makes no sense to me
Susi Alcott: in case nothing is judged, nothing can either change the hurting behaviers
Pila Mulligan: similar ideas there -- seeing the relaitve realities allows you to find the best path
Bertram Jacobus: on the other hand, for sure it is wonderful when one can relax for a while or on a certain stage without those values - too
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Pila Mulligan: well, Pila needs to find his bed ....
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: [ okay pila : good luck with it ! :o) ]
Pila Mulligan: [after 90 secs]
Pila Mulligan: [:)]
Pila Mulligan: [thanks Moon :)]
Pila Mulligan: [there it is:)]
Susi Alcott: so; we can never know what the anger part chooces ; to learn of not; so he/she can get either more angry cuz his/her expected 'feef back'; revenge, does not happen, but there's always also the option that this person learnes, and that leads to peace
Moon Fargis: [yw:)]
Bertrum Quan: Need to log off too. Take care everyone.
Susi Alcott: good night Pila
Moon Fargis: see you bertrum and pila :)
Pila Mulligan: bye for nw friends
Susi Alcott: have nice time Partrum
Bertram Jacobus: bye bertrum. was nice to meet you
Susi Alcott: sorry; Bertum
Bertrum Quan: bye everyone
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: hmhm well i just got a notce that the sim i garden, was flooded with prims and i should check out if something got lost
Moon Fargis: soi will retreat too
Bertram Jacobus: then have a god time both . thanks for the talk
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: see you bertram and "let them talk"
Moon Fargis: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i try to. ty
Bertram Jacobus: one of the aspects
Susi Alcott: you can also think the truth that this neighbour would feel much better if he/she stopps the hostility
Bertram Jacobus: yes ...
Susi Alcott: thinking him/her with that thought
Bertram Jacobus: nice impulses from you susi. ty again too
Susi Alcott: nobody knows when that helps, but it does
Susi Alcott: wishing all the possible good
Susi Alcott: see you _/!\_