2009.08.30 01:00 - Let them talk

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    Moon Fargis: hi susi hi bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: hello moon and susi
    Susi Alcott: Hello Bert and Moon _/!\_
    Bertram Jacobus: funny avatar moon ! :-)
    Moon Fargis: ˙·•| mmh *nods* |•·˙
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Bertram Jacobus: you have problems with rezzing and sitting moon ? or like to sit at an other place this time ? on susis lap ? :o)
    Susi Alcott: smiles _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: seepted just a few hours.. and dont even have tea yet :)
    Susi Alcott: so that's the first thing now _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: didn's see you online so I thought I might need to back up you
    Moon Fargis: hmhm i am fine.....
    Moon Fargis: zzZzzZZZzZZzZZ
    Susi Alcott: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: hello pila ! ... :-)
    Moon Fargis: hi pila!
    Pila Mulligan: hi Moon, Susi and Bert
    Susi Alcott: oh Hello Pila _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: long time no see
    Pila Mulligan: yes, this is alate session for me :)
    Pila Mulligan: usually not here
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: Moon is snoring
    Susi Alcott: hoping all to be well with you
    Bertram Jacobus: here, it´s an early session ... ;-)
    Susi Alcott: ah yes
    Pila Mulligan: all is well, thanks Susi .. and with you I hope, too
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: Bert and I were just exploring the OSG -- open grid
    Pila Mulligan: the new open source alternativ eSL
    Moon Fargis: ahh found something intresting ?
    Pila Mulligan: quite interesting
    Pila Mulligan: it is still rough
    Pila Mulligan: but it is probaly the future for virtual worlds
    Bertram Jacobus: bert ?
    Bertram Jacobus: bertrum ? the other bert ?
    Pila Mulligan: oops
    Pila Mulligan: sorry bert
    Pila Mulligan: Bert Quon
    Bertram Jacobus: no problem ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: embarassing error on my part :)
    Bertram Jacobus: no no
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello bertrum :-)
    Pila Mulligan: speaking of ...
    Pila Mulligan: hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Moon Fargis: heheh
    Moon Fargis: hi bert2
    Susi Alcott: Hello Bertrum
    Pila Mulligan: hi Berts
    Bertram Jacobus: bertrum with a nice hat beside him (!) ... :-)
    Bertrum Quan: hi everyone
    Pila Mulligan: Moon, di doyu have fun in the US?
    Moon Fargis: yes it was nice.. an hoooot
    Pila Mulligan: Ade was giving me a running account for the first days
    Moon Fargis: heheh
    Pila Mulligan: it sounded lik efun
    Moon Fargis: yes i still wonder i didnt got any cold there
    Pila Mulligan: air planes are usually cold and flyu swamps
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: came from 90 F into 68 F when we visited a building cus everything has air conditioning there
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Moon Fargis: and ofcourse backwards the same
    Pila Mulligan: did you visit Duke University?
    Moon Fargis: yes we walked around the campus, my friend and i
    Pila Mulligan: it is anic eplace
    Moon Fargis: yes well done for sure
    Moon Fargis: ahh tea is soon ready^^
    Pila Mulligan: The Rhine Research Center Institute for Parapsychology is theres
    Bertram Jacobus: nice moon ... ;-)
    Susi Alcott: yes good; soon Moon shall wake up
    Bertram Jacobus: i was already at a police station this morning - very unusual for me ...
    Susi Alcott: listening
    Bertram Jacobus: on my letterbox was put a swastika and now the landlord accuses me, i had done that :-(
    Susi Alcott: :(
    Pila Mulligan: ouch
    Moon Fargis: ah..germany...
    Bertram Jacobus: there are BIG troubles with a neighbour ! ... very sad ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i looks like they want me to throw me out of the flat ...
    Bertram Jacobus: - me
    Pila Mulligan: those are tough situations Bert, can you make peace?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. inside
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Bertrum Quan: Is there much non-Nazi activity in Germany?
    Pila Mulligan: neo?
    Bertram Jacobus: non-nazi activity ? what does that mean please ?
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, sorry, typo--neo.
    Moon Fargis: linke
    Bertram Jacobus: ah . neo . it depends . relatively
    Moon Fargis: yes there is
    Moon Fargis: so called antifa
    Moon Fargis: but tose are extremes too
    Bertrum Quan: What is the reason?
    Bertram Jacobus: for what please ?
    Bertrum Quan: For the rise of neo-Nazi activites.
    Moon Fargis: people just search a way to let ther anger and hate out and there is still the rule of balance
    Moon Fargis: so the extremes on both sides are more or less same powered
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know, whether it raises. i only know, in the whole worrld there are people who do such things. and in germany naturally the awareness about this is very high. so society mostly very fast tries to stop all that. my impression. okay : in the new territories from former ddr there are some more serious problems of that kind i must fear for sake
    Moon Fargis: well germany still suffers from the ww2 even its now ages ago
    Pila Mulligan: the US has always had the same fringe of hateful people, mostly aimed at racial prejudice -- theya re in agony with Obama being President
    Moon Fargis: you cant hang out a national flag , the actual one, without being feard you are a nazi
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : germany is very hard hit by it´s past ...
    Moon Fargis: and aslong no german is proud to be a german.. well then the moral is at its deepest point
    Susi Alcott: that is not so long ago when such persons called 'skinheads' effected in Finland; they are 'nowadays' nazies
    Bertram Jacobus: i would say the feeling of the germans is deeply troubled by that
    Susi Alcott: once I was the bodyguard in the event there was such persons; they had thought to make a mess around
    Susi Alcott: not so many years ago; few
    Susi Alcott: I took myself to be quite near them
    Susi Alcott: just standing there like doing nothing; like nothing was 'going on'
    Susi Alcott: I felt there fear and looked at them just the way I looked around; like they was not exeptional
    Susi Alcott: but what I felt for them and what I thought; peacfull thoughts how the war is not the answer to there pain
    Moon Fargis nods
    Susi Alcott: and asked them in my mind to look around how they in fact dont want to make more mess cuz it would only give growth to there problems
    Susi Alcott: I felt and saw them to relax and give up of much negativities
    Susi Alcott: ...they left looking as the persons who's started to think
    Bertram Jacobus: nice way to handle it susi
    Susi Alcott: that's one of them starmoment of my bodyguard times
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: bing
    Pila Mulligan: what happened at the police station this morning, Bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: tehy were very kind and said, it would be heavy to accuse me in that way
    Bertram Jacobus: and i made a notice there because of the svastika only
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Bertram Jacobus: i have to think about, whether i also have to make a notice because of the bad accuses which are made against me
    Bertram Jacobus: but i try to talk to the poeple first
    Pila Mulligan: they could yoy were not making trouble
    Pila Mulligan: the police
    Pila Mulligan: tll*
    Pila Mulligan: they could tell*
    Bertram Jacobus: some tries already failed. the main person doens´t want to talk with me about all that :-(
    Moon Fargis: the wonderfull egoist world of humans
    Pila Mulligan: can you talk with the landlord?
    Susi Alcott: you anyway have the best possible 'tool' ; your own peace
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: true Susi
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to. but he seems to be pushed by that "main person" - my direct neighbour ... and accused me . the police made a copy of the landlord´s letter ...
    Pila Mulligan: hmm
    Pila Mulligan: yes, territory and ego maybe
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s a strange time for me : everwhere it looks like war against me. i never experienced such before. and i have really no idea why that is. it´s a reay mystery
    Bertram Jacobus: okay. not everywhere : here for example
    Susi Alcott: btw Bertram; do you understand that this neighbour uses you 'as the valvet', no matter he/she dont understand that in his/her mind
    Pila Mulligan: maybe something is waiting for you and this is the path to it
    Bertram Jacobus: but both : very nice things and very bad ones. many. extremly extreme (!) ... not easy
    Pila Mulligan: there's always a amiddle between the extremes, even if hard to find
    Bertram Jacobus: valvet ? what is that please ?
    Susi Alcott: the item in the machine which gives the too much pressure out
    Bertram Jacobus: i "know" pila - but if the surroundings present you many many extremes (?) ... not easy
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. i see. ty susi
    Pila Mulligan: yes, that i swhy I suspect someting may be waiting for you, Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: yes pila. what could it be ?
    Pila Mulligan: god only knows :)
    Pila Mulligan: wait and see :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to. very heavy
    Pila Mulligan: times like that can be trying
    Pila Mulligan: but keep your balance and your faith -- it will wookr out
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: don;t let them get you down
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all for your words ... and that between the words ...
    Moon Fargis: ah bertram.. you remember the song from "die ärzte" "lasse reden"
    Moon Fargis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpO5P9mG80c
    Moon Fargis: this one
    Bertram Jacobus: don´t know that but can imagine a bit moon - and hear it at youtube later on. but it´s a bit more challanging i think, because it looks like i have to act at least a bit here and there in relation to all that
    Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
    Moon Fargis: well even this one is with english subtitles but made by a usual youtube guy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPhV_VDzvI
    Moon Fargis: it describes the first phase of what you experience
    Moon Fargis: well you might be evne in the second phase now.. where people stopped talking
    Bertram Jacobus: uh ? that makes me curious (!) ;o)
    Susi Alcott: well; as that is his/her pain which makes him/her to use you
    Susi Alcott: but cuz You've kept your peace; there's the 'silent' period going on in the 'war'
    Susi Alcott: the war between the truth and the lie
    Pila Mulligan: 'Let the people talk and simply smile gently'
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Pila Mulligan: says alyric in the song
    Bertram Jacobus: [90 secs]
    Pila Mulligan: oops
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Susi Alcott: (volounteered)
    Bertram Jacobus: but even if (!) the mind wouldn´t be touched - the body reacts and gets hurt by such things
    Susi Alcott: so; normally that silence is the option for the angry part to start to realize what he/she truly is doing and why
    Susi Alcott: rl phone
    Moon Fargis: hmm bertram, its motls that the mind affects the body
    Moon Fargis: so if you have inner piece about this, wich is really hard to have, your body shouldnt affected
    Bertram Jacobus: i mean something different moon : the physis
    Bertram Jacobus: the mecanical aspect so to say
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: you may need to act sometimes
    Bertram Jacobus: that´s it pila. it seems to be like that. but i´m not sure
    Pila Mulligan: the visit with the police, for example
    Bertram Jacobus: but one is to be said very clearly : it´s a challenge
    Pila Mulligan: so be very careful :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i naturally try to make the best out of all that
    Bertram Jacobus: "i do my very best" ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: by the way : i´m convinced : we all do that
    Bertram Jacobus: also my neighbour for example
    Pila Mulligan: if so, then some people's best is nt very good :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i agree
    Pila Mulligan: but I can agree with the idea
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: so you don´t fear the valuations "good" and - lemme say "not good" pila ? :-)
    Pila Mulligan: -not at all
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful !
    Bertram Jacobus: so many do or deny them !
    Pila Mulligan: well, there are mental extremes on the idea
    Pila Mulligan: but in fact we all make judgments
    Bertram Jacobus: which ones please ?
    Pila Mulligan: one extreme would wipe all valuations away form the mind
    Pila Mulligan: one extreme, like nazis, has everything already evaluated rigidly
    Susi Alcott: b
    Pila Mulligan: both are extremes
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. and i always like to say judgements are not bad, but condemnations are
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Pila Mulligan: how else can ethics work, except by being aware of values
    Bertram Jacobus: ty pila. i´m happy to hear that from another in spirituality interested person
    Pila Mulligan: thank you
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, very often the "absolute" and the relative stage are mixed in relation to that topic (values)
    Pila Mulligan: one ideal may be to have no ideals, but that is hyopthetical
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t think, that that is a single ideal, because to deny the relative realities makes no sense to me
    Susi Alcott: in case nothing is judged, nothing can either change the hurting behaviers
    Pila Mulligan: similar ideas there -- seeing the relaitve realities allows you to find the best path
    Bertram Jacobus: on the other hand, for sure it is wonderful when one can relax for a while or on a certain stage without those values - too
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: well, Pila needs to find his bed ....
    Bertram Jacobus: [ okay pila : good luck with it ! :o) ]
    Pila Mulligan: [after 90 secs]
    Pila Mulligan: [:)]
    Pila Mulligan: [thanks Moon :)]
    Pila Mulligan: [there it is:)]
    Susi Alcott: so; we can never know what the anger part chooces ; to learn of not; so he/she can get either more angry cuz his/her expected 'feef back'; revenge, does not happen, but there's always also the option that this person learnes, and that leads to peace
    Moon Fargis: [yw:)]
    Bertrum Quan: Need to log off too. Take care everyone.
    Susi Alcott: good night Pila
    Moon Fargis: see you bertrum and pila :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye for nw friends
    Susi Alcott: have nice time Partrum
    Bertram Jacobus: bye bertrum. was nice to meet you
    Susi Alcott: sorry; Bertum
    Bertrum Quan: bye everyone
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: hmhm well i just got a notce that the sim i garden, was flooded with prims and i should check out if something got lost
    Moon Fargis: soi will retreat too
    Bertram Jacobus: then have a god time both . thanks for the talk
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Moon Fargis: see you bertram and "let them talk"
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to. ty
    Bertram Jacobus: one of the aspects
    Susi Alcott: you can also think the truth that this neighbour would feel much better if he/she stopps the hostility
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ...
    Susi Alcott: thinking him/her with that thought
    Bertram Jacobus: nice impulses from you susi. ty again too
    Susi Alcott: nobody knows when that helps, but it does
    Susi Alcott: wishing all the possible good
    Susi Alcott: see you _/!\_

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