2009.09.05 07:00 - People Salad Behavior Villages

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    Eos claimed the log for Sophia who couldn't make it. 

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos,paul
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and doug
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s 4 pm here :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but good morning to you :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paul and Doug



    Paul Namiboo: iT'S 7A HERE!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, ur on linden time :)
    Eos Amaterasu: 11 am
    doug Sosa: morning.
    Eos Amaterasu: "we are the world"
    Paul Namiboo: i GUESS SO --I guess so, I'm a newbie and haven't set my watch to LT yet
    Eos Amaterasu sees Paul with wine bottle (7 am!)
    Paul Namiboo: it's better than green tea -- 1945 Mouton, gift of Pila Mulligan
    doug Sosa: paul, you've been here more than two weeks already. No longer a newbie. Now you can type and hold the botle and the glass and think. all at the same time.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Isn´t a glass of wine good to prevent heart desease ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so 10 glasses are 10 times better :) ?
    Paul Namiboo: Works for me
    Eos Amaterasu thinks ask Storm and Wol re turning pool into cafe table
    doug Sosa: can't stress out if zonked out :)
    Eos Amaterasu: That would be the village!
    Eos Amaterasu: I love the village idea!
    Paul Namiboo: I'm just preparing myself for a long trip on United Airlines
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just experimenting a bit :)
    Eos Amaterasu recalls that United does not have seat-back power plugs


    Doug and Paul examine human sustainability behavior


    doug Sosa: nd paul want to say alittle about the letter and the response?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you can get the commands for the fountain behavior with "/9 help"
    Paul Namiboo: Doug and I have been (with a group) trying to orgsanize a large examination of human behavior and how we might change it. We've set up a web site and I sent it to a bunch of friends and have been getting a stream
    Paul Namiboo: of "count me in" messages
    doug Sosa: behavior about sustainability.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: whats the url of the site ?
    doug Sosa: The response shows really good will and urgency together.
    doug Sosa: http://mahb.stanford.edu
    Paul Namiboo: do you know if people have been visiting the site??
    doug Sosa: I'll check.
    Eos Amaterasu: Millenium Assessment of Human Behavior
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey pema
    Paul Namiboo: One of the big questions we are asking is "what are people for" -- and PaB seems aimed partially at the same sort of thing
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Pema -- great to see you again :)
    Eos Amaterasu: So, how does Play as Being practice, societally, further sustainable being?
    doug Sosa: the blog had 40 last night and 20 so far this moning. No stats on the webpages.
    Paul Namiboo: It at least helps me think about how people spend their time vs how they might be happier spending their time
    Eos Amaterasu: I'll tweet it
    doug Sosa: eos that is a great question and much on my mind. The general loosening up of conceptual thinking to allow in new experiences and ways of seeing..
    Eos Amaterasu: That why I love the village idea (thnx Pema et al)!
    Pema Pera: yw, Eos!
    Eos Amaterasu: We can experiement with how to live that way, and what diffs it makes
    Pema Pera: and some day we may build a RL village :-)
    Pema Pera: or did you discuss that already?
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: It does relate, Pila for one has been mentioning that
    Paul Namiboo: One of my hopes is that we might move a lot of the competitive consumption onto SL -- it would make a RL village much pleasanter
    Pema Pera: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Make the virtual nature of it more obvious
    Eos Amaterasu: it = consumption
    doug Sosa: I realize that one thing i like about SL is the absence of traffic in this region.
    Paul Namiboo: I'm kinda getting hooked on virtual '45 Mouton
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah - I get it - consumption virtually, Paul!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think it´s a great place as a virtual place availible from everywhere and to everyone with one click and it even saves the environment in this way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no travel needed :)
    Paul Namiboo: I'm trying to find out the difference in energy consumption of building a 10,000
    doug Sosa: the mind i think has a natural affinity for nature, and that we don't see it so much is a testament to the power of conditioning over natural tendencies.
    Eos Amaterasu: It does seem to allow people to get together in a genuine way
    Paul Namiboo: square foot dot-com palace in SL as opposed to RL




    doug Sosa: PaB i think makes practitioners more awayre of natural seetiings, or what has happened to "nature" in our crapped up environments.
    doug Sosa: The soul is not like some person inside an automobile, but the quality of lived experience and the total environment.
    Eos Amaterasu: So Doug, you've been trying to work with that in RL meetings?
    Paul Namiboo: I really like the birds, but it's even better to have real ones -- I love waking up to them in the field
    doug Sosa: yes, not out loud, but as a practice.
    Eos Amaterasu: (Sophia is not here...)
    Eos Amaterasu: What about the idea of a scheduled gap?
    doug Sosa: we do have one series of conversations where we stat with slowing down, don't be thinking of what you are going to say while someone else is speaking.. and lets just see what leads to what.
    Pema Pera: Bertram is not here, he has taken over from Sophia, I believe
    Eos Amaterasu: (anyone want to grab the log?)
    doug Sosa: the fifteen minute pause would be easy to experiment with.
    Eos Amaterasu: You can also create the atmosphere, starting with environment
    doug Sosa: see the link between local micro environment and the larger environment.
    Eos Amaterasu: True
    Eos Amaterasu: Make the links more visible, also
    doug Sosa: I think we can come to "see" the flow of entropy as easily as we can see that water in this pond.
    Paul Namiboo: it's getting tougher to keep the micro decent as the macro goes down hill
    doug Sosa: yes, and i sense that this is clearer to people than a few years ago. the lack of it showing in polls is because of what claims major attntion, but the other is powerfully presnt: awareness of the state of the macro as seen from the micro.
    Paul Namiboo: When I started trying to record bird calls, interviews etc. I suddenly became aware of the mechanized cacaphony around us
    doug Sosa: good example.
    Paul Namiboo: leaf blowers, backup warnings, huge trucks -- I like the peace of PaB
    Eos Amaterasu: That's what parks are for :-)
    doug Sosa: mothers trying to hear their babies, tuning a musical instrument..
    Eos Amaterasu: I have a great park near where I live
    Eos Amaterasu: That's where I do my walks
    doug Sosa: called the north pole?
    Paul Namiboo: Even in the parks around here the noise intrudes -- but you can habituate
    Pema Pera: (sorry, have to leave; I'm at JFK, about to board my plane to Tokyo)
    Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Pema!
    doug Sosa: interesting pun = habit-uate.
    Pema Pera: (bye for now!)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Paul Namiboo: I feel for you -- so long!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: namaste
    Eos Amaterasu: and habit - ate
    doug Sosa: byt
    Paul Namiboo: bye


    People salad ending up in Balve town and villages

    Eos Amaterasu: SL village can be anticapatory design for more enlightened (by Being) society
    doug Sosa: the easy interplay between seriousness and conviviality here is also important.
    Eos Amaterasu: plus the asynch overlapping of minds/voices :-)
    Paul Namiboo: sorry -- I'm ALWAYS dead serious
    Eos Amaterasu: People salad
    Paul Namiboo: or dead drunk
    Eos Amaterasu: dread dunk
    doug Sosa: bragging!
    Paul Namiboo: thanks to Pila
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, i can hear cattle in my real life environment right now :)
    Paul Namiboo: are they stampeding?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just the tigger when they anticipate food
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i live more on the countryside
    doug Sosa: me too. few cows , but the birds.. i often wonder whatthey make of our noises.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40413449@N07/
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats how it looks like where i live
    Paul Namiboo: Gorgeous - name I'm really jealous!
    Paul Namiboo: name-now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Balve sauerland




    doug Sosa: great pictures. the village looks wonderful, though must have some attimes crushing sense of surveillance..
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balve
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the landscape pictures are from the village where my mother lives
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s called eisborn
    Eos Amaterasu: I like these places with ancient traditions
    Paul Namiboo: Me too
    Eos Amaterasu: Malta seems like interesting place for RL retreat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: But there is really nothing more then great environment here, thats why second life is so facinating for me.
    Eos Amaterasu: I found in my little plot of land that I was tending to just have a meadow there, no building
    doug Sosa: It pains me how few american and south asians for that matter, have experienced environments like these.. They stimulate healthy desires.
    doug Sosa: I need to go ... bye for noww
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye doug
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Doug
    doug Sosa: :)
    Paul Namiboo: Anne and I have been lucky enough to have a tiny cabin at 3000m in the Rockies -- look at the face of a 4000m peak, and no other buildings -- just the birds and the butterflies. Work their every summer
    Eos Amaterasu: Lucky!
    Eos Amaterasu: There are a number of special magic quiet places I go to in Nova Scotia - especially Cape Breton
    Paul Namiboo: Got to go. Bye!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye paul
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Paul.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where u from eos ?
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm from Halifax, Nova Scotia, in Canada
    Eos Amaterasu: Will you attend the next RL retreat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s still unclear when and if it is really in malta
    Eos Amaterasu: True.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i really have to learn how to find cheap tickets and what i am supposed to look for :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and obviously i hope that it won´t be in the vacation time :)
    Eos Amaterasu: ? you mean you can go as part of your work?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, but it´s cheaper when it´s off the season
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah, yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t have a wife or childs to care about so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i never flew my whole life, by the way
    Eos Amaterasu: ! I guess I take flying for granted - but prefer train!
    Eos Amaterasu: We took our sun on a train ride to a nearby town (50 miles) for his birthday when he was little :_)
    Eos Amaterasu: Your Balve village seems of interesting scale
    Yakuzza Lethecus: balve is a town
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am living in one of the villages
    Yakuzza Lethecus: beckum
    Eos Amaterasu: So the village has a sense of its own - it's geographically distinct also?



    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, when you live in a village you feel as sense of its own :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously it´s a problem that you can´t do much, and you have to have a car
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, didn´t even notice the 15 minutes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so for example i am in a real life philosophy course and i have to drive 25 minutes one way to reach that course and when i am there i can't google the words i don´t understand or the fancy philosophers they happen to talk about :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I have to leave .. bye Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i love the low opportunity cost of the internet
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eos
    Eos Amaterasu: So no internet where you teach/study?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i work
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, sometimes it's good not to have net
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am a metal worker
    Eos Amaterasu: Anyway, great to talk with you - Ciao!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eos
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